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8 ALBANY, NEW YORK
9 January 26, 1993
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13 REGULAR SESSION
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17 SENATOR HUGH T. FARLEY, Acting President
18 STEPHEN F. SLOAN, Secretary
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: The
3 Senate will come to order. If you will please
4 find your seats.
5 If you will rise with me for the
6 Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
7 (The assemblage repeated the
8 Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)
9 Today we have the Reverend Peter
10 G. Young, pastor of Blessed Sacrament Church in
11 Bolton Landing, to give us the opening prayer.
12 Father Young.
13 REVEREND PETER G. YOUNG: Let us
14 pray.
15 Dear God, as the sun increases
16 its warmth and the budget discussions are
17 prioritized, we call upon You to guide our
18 legislators in this Senate chamber to wisdom and
19 continuing dedication. The challenges this year
20 are numerous and we ask You for the blessing
21 that will give them the energy and the health to
22 again be important decision-makers in this
23 state. We ask You this now and forevermore.
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1 Amen.
2 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Thank
3 you, Father.
4 The Secretary will begin by
5 reading the Journal.
6 THE SECRETARY: In Senate,
7 Monday, January 25th. The Senate met pursuant
8 to adjournment, Senator Farley in the Chair upon
9 designation of the Temporary President. The
10 Journal of Friday, January 22nd, was read and
11 approved. On motion, Senate adjourned.
12 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Hearing
13 no objection, the Journal will stand approved as
14 read.
15 The order of business:
16 Presentation of petitions.
17 Messages from the Assembly.
18 Messages from the Governor.
19 Reports of standing committees.
20 Reports of select committees.
21 Communications and reports from
22 state officers.
23 Motions and resolutions. Do we
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1 have any?
2 Senator Present, we have a
3 quorum, and we're ready for the calendar.
4 What's your pleasure?
5 SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President,
6 let's adopt the Senate Resolution Calendar.
7 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: All
8 right. The Secretary will read the -- all in
9 favor of adopting the Resolution Calendar,
10 please say aye.
11 (Response of "Aye.")
12 Those opposed nay.
13 SENATOR GOLD: Mr. President.
14 (There was no other response.)
15 SENATOR GOLD: Mr. President.
16 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: The
17 Resolution Calendar is adopted.
18 SENATOR GOLD: Mr. President.
19 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Yeah.
20 SENATOR GOLD: Could you just
21 hold 229 starred; Senator Ohrenstein would like
22 to be heard on it? It's his own.
23 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: We'll
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1 come back to that. The Resolution Calendar has
2 already been adopted, but Senator Ohrenstein
3 will be speaking to Resolution Number 229. Is
4 that all right?
5 Are there any motions on the
6 floor or anything?
7 Senator Present.
8 SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President,
9 let's take up the non-controversial.
10 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY:
11 Non-controversial. The Secretary will read.
12 THE SECRETARY: On page 4,
13 Calendar Number 4, by Senator Kuhl.
14 SENATOR GOLD: Lay it aside.
15 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Laid
16 aside.
17 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
18 12, by Senator Halperin, Senate Bill Number 106,
19 an act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to
20 increasing the penalties for loitering.
21 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
22 the last section.
23 THE SECRETARY: Section 2. This
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1 act shall take effect immediately.
2 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Call
3 the roll.
4 (The Secretary called the roll. )
5 THE SECRETARY: Ayes 33.
6 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: That
7 bill is passed.
8 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
9 19, by Senator Holland -
10 SENATOR GOLD: Lay aside for
11 Senator Solomon.
12 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Lay
13 that aside for Senator Solomon.
14 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
15 20, by Senator Bruno, Senate Bill Number 239, an
16 act to amend the Civil Rights Law.
17 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
18 the last section.
19 THE SECRETARY: Section 2. This
20 act shall take effect immediately.
21 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Call
22 the roll.
23 (The Secretary called the roll. )
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1 THE SECRETARY: Ayes 33.
2 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: That
3 bill is passed.
4 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
5 21, by Senator Tully, Senate Bill Number 233, an
6 act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law.
7 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
8 the last section.
9 THE SECRETARY: Section 2. This
10 act shall take effect immediately.
11 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Call
12 the roll.
13 (The Secretary called the roll. )
14 THE SECRETARY: Ayes 33.
15 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: That
16 bill is passed.
17 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
18 22, by Senator Volker, Senate Bill Number 247,
19 an act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law.
20 SENATOR GOLD: Lay aside, please.
21 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Lay
22 that bill aside.
23 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
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1 23, by Senator Volker.
2 SENATOR GOLD: Star it? Lay it
3 aside.
4 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Laid
5 aside.
6 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
7 24, by Senator Volker, Senate Bill Number 406,
8 an act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law.
9 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
10 the last section.
11 THE SECRETARY: Section 2. This
12 act shall take effect immediately.
13 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Call
14 the roll.
15 (The Secretary called the roll. )
16 THE SECRETARY: Ayes 34.
17 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: That
18 bill is passed.
19 Senator Present.
20 SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President,
21 let's stand at ease for a few minutes.
22 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: We'll
23 stand at ease.
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1 SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President.
2 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
3 Present.
4 SENATOR PRESENT: Can you hit the
5 gavel. We're back in action. Call up Calendar
6 Number 19.
7 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: The
8 Secretary will read Calendar Number 19.
9 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
10 19, by Senator Holland, Senate Bill Number 211,
11 an act to amend the Penal Law.
12 SENATOR GOLD: Senator Solomon,
13 you want to do anything?
14 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
15 Solomon.
16 SENATOR SOLOMON: Yes, on 19, can
17 I have an explanation, please?
18 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY:
19 Explanation has been asked for. Senator
20 Holland.
21 SENATOR HOLLAND: Senator, as you
22 know, this is a bill that would allow auxiliary
23 police to use mace. Senator, as you know, this
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1 is a bill that would allow auxiliary police to
2 use mace in a defense -- as a defensive weapon,
3 only if it was justified in a deadly force
4 situation, and if allowed by the local chief of
5 police or commissioner of police and with proper
6 training.
7 SENATOR SOLOMON: Senator Holland
8 yield?
9 SENATOR HOLLAND: Yes, sir.
10 SENATOR SOLOMON: Senator, the
11 only thing that confuses me about this bill is,
12 I have an understanding that a number of the
13 organized police departments around the country
14 have been against the use of mace by citizens in
15 many instances, and I'd like to know whether or
16 not they're supporting or opposing this bill or
17 have taken any position on this bill.
18 SENATOR HOLLAND: The Police
19 Conference, we have a verbal communication from
20 the police conference that they are opposed but
21 that's not -- not written.
22 SENATOR SOLOMON: Have you
23 contacted the New York City PBA?
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1 SENATOR HOLLAND: The city of New
2 York came into the office and said that they
3 would support the bill if we allowed cities with
4 populations of over a million people to be
5 deleted from the bill, but we chose not to do
6 that. We feel it should be a statewide bill,
7 rather than a two-state bill again.
8 SENATOR SOLOMON: And the New
9 York City hasn't?
10 SENATOR HOLLAND: No, it was just
11 the representative of the city of New York, not
12 the PBA.
13 SENATOR SOLOMON: All right.
14 Thank you, Senator. On the bill.
15 I just think there's been some
16 confusion in terms of some of the local police
17 agencies and the police unions as to whether
18 they support this bill or not. I personally am
19 not opposed, in fact, to the change in the law
20 in this state on mace because I think coming
21 from the city of New York, a number of women, if
22 you've read some recent articles in the New York
23 Times in relation to car-jackings have been
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1 carrying small bottles of mace on their key
2 chains. Whether or not it would be effective
3 against an attack is questionable.
4 But I think the issue of mace has
5 to be reviewed not as it just pertains to
6 auxiliary police officers, but I think the issue
7 of mace within this state should be reviewed
8 completely, and that's why I was asking the
9 questions regarding the particular police unions
10 in this -- on this particular piece of
11 legislation, and that's why I really oppose
12 this.
13 I think mace should really be
14 legalized so it could be available throughout
15 the entire state, including the city of New
16 York, to be used in defense of individuals, not
17 just police officers, in this situation.
18 SENATOR GOLD: Mr. President.
19 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
20 Gold.
21 SENATOR GOLD: Yeah. We had this
22 bill last year, and it passed with only two
23 negatives, Senator Montgomery and Senator
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1 Solomon, and, Senator Solomon, I'm glad you
2 brought it up again, and I've been reading this
3 and I'm really saying that you've changed my
4 mind.
5 Senator Holland says that the
6 City said it would not oppose it or would
7 support it if you took them out. I guess that's
8 a round-about way of saying that they oppose it
9 the way it is, and the City points out, and in
10 their memo they use this language, which I think
11 is really very very significant:
12 They're talking about auxiliary
13 police, and it says they're the eyes and ears of
14 the department by observing and reporting crimes
15 and conditions warranting police action. They
16 do not initiate arrests and, in fact, are
17 instructed to avoid personal confrontations
18 whenever possible, because the city of New York
19 could not indemnify them for their actions taken
20 outside the, quote, "drill", end quote,
21 concept.
22 Senator Holland, I don't know how
23 you teach someone on the auxiliary police
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1 department that they're the eyes and the ears
2 and they shouldn't have confrontations and then
3 you start little by little to arm them and you
4 give them mace. If the police department wants
5 to have auxiliary police and they want to set it
6 up with certain limitations, I don't think it's
7 for us to tell them how to change the way the
8 auxiliary police department operates.
9 If your bill permitted, for
10 example, the various police departments to
11 authorize it themselves, then I probably
12 wouldn't care, because if your locality wanted
13 to do it, I don't think it would be offensive to
14 me. But by mandating it the way I read this, it
15 says upon local authorization and appropriate
16 instruction and whatever. All right, you've
17 got -- you've got that in there.
18 But the point -- the point is
19 when you're dealing with the City, you run into
20 a little bit of a different problem, because in
21 the City with the numbers involved, it tends to
22 get out of hand. The auxiliary, in other words
23 now, we're -- we have the auxiliary petition. I
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1 don't see any of that in here. I don't see any
2 of that, and it seems to me that if the City has
3 set up this program with its own limitations on
4 it, that it's not for us to change it.
5 SENATOR HOLLAND: Senator, it's
6 -- this is not a mandate. It's up to the
7 individual police departments to allow it. It's
8 only to be used as a defensive weapon. There
9 will be education for the auxiliary policemen
10 before they go out there and only to be used in
11 a deadly force situation. I don't see where any
12 of the arguments you gave fits in here.
13 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
14 the last section.
15 Senator Volker.
16 SENATOR VOLKER: Mr. President,
17 very quickly, and this -- this bill, I think,
18 points up the kind of almost bizarre nature of
19 the situation we're in with certain -- certain
20 of our so-called defense weapons.
21 As Senator Padavan points out to
22 me, every mailman in New York State has a form
23 of mace. Probably it's estimated 20 to 25
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1 percent of the people in some of the urban areas
2 are carrying mace, even though it's technically
3 illegal. We've been passing bills in this house
4 for several years trying to make mace legal in
5 part because half the population of the state of
6 New York is carrying mace.
7 I would like to point out also
8 that auxiliary police already are authorized to
9 use batons, which I think probably is more of
10 potentially an offensive weapon than mace. The
11 problem here is, and the reason I can tell you
12 why the police conferences and the police are
13 opposed to this, they're really not opposed to
14 it in principle. Their problem is that across
15 this state, some of the localities that have
16 been pinched for cash are beginning to try to
17 use auxiliary police in place of police
18 officers. That's a bad idea and a tough
19 problem, but the auxiliary police will say to
20 you, that's why what they're really asking for
21 is something like mace, which is really a
22 defensive -- a defensive weapon and not really
23 a-- they're not asking for guns or anything of
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2 The police, I think, simply are
3 opposed just on the basis that at this point
4 they just don't want to give anything to the
5 auxiliary police. A strange thing about the New
6 York City memo is, if you read it, it sort of
7 says that, yeah, we realize we don't have to do
8 it but we'd just as soon not have legislation
9 authorizing us to do it if we decide not to, and
10 the truth is this bill doesn't say they have to
11 do it and, if they decide to do it, it gives
12 them even more structure in law to allow them to
13 make determinations as to what should be done.
14 So I just think it's kind of a -
15 there's another issue involved here to say that
16 most of the people out there in the street or a
17 lot of them are using these things illegally, so
18 that now we don't want to make it legal for
19 police people who are connected with police to
20 carry them and, by the way, I hesitate to tell
21 you this, but I know a lot of auxiliary police
22 are carrying it right now and don't let anybody
23 kid you, because if everybody else is carrying
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1 it, why shouldn't they carry it? And what we're
2 really trying to do here is make it legal and
3 give them some training.
4 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
5 Jones.
6 SENATOR JONES: Yes, I would just
7 like to -- I am going to vote against this bill
8 and I would have to concur, I have spoken to the
9 police in my area, and I would concur with what
10 Senator Volker said. He's correct, it is a
11 bigger issue and in some of the towns I
12 represent, that's exactly what's happening: For
13 budget-cutting purposes, they're using auxiliary
14 police, and I think the issue is that the
15 police, and rightfully so in my opinion, feel as
16 though they put in many, many hours and effort
17 into training and that they're not willing to
18 give up things that are there.
19 I agree also with my colleague
20 who said we should investigate the whole mace
21 thing over and apart from this because as a
22 woman, I would like to carry it, but I will vote
23 no because I think our police are deserving of
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2 SENATOR GOLD: Last section.
3 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
4 the last section.
5 THE SECRETARY: Section 2. This
6 act shall take effect immediately.
7 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Call
8 the roll.
9 (The Secretary called the roll. )
10 THE SECRETARY: Those recorded in
11 the negative on Calendar Number 19 are Senators
12 Dollinger, Espada, Galiber, Gold, Jones,
13 Markowitz, Mendez, Montgomery, Onorato, Smith,
14 and Solomon. Ayes 39 -- also Senator
15 Oppenheimer. Ayes 38, nays 12.
16 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: The
17 bill is passed.
18 Senator Present.
19 SENATOR PRESENT: May we take up
20 Calendar 22 and follow it by Calendar 23.
21 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY:
22 Secretary will call up Calendar Number 22.
23 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
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1 22, by Senator Volker, Senate Bill Number 247,
2 an act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law.
3 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
4 the last section.
5 SENATOR VOLKER: Mr. President,
6 this -- the bill has passed this house on
7 several occasions, and I'm -- I don't know, I am
8 hopeful that we can do something with it in the
9 Assembly. It's my own personal feeling that the
10 reason it hasn't passed is not because it has
11 any substantial effect on the rights of anybody
12 but because the -- in fact, I'm told this by
13 some of the Assembly people, that they -- in
14 principle, they have concern about passing a
15 bill such as this to get rid of some of the
16 technicalities that have been used in criminal
17 proceedings.
18 What happened here was that a
19 convicted rapist, the prime issue involved here,
20 a fellow by the name of Johnson, in a case in
21 Buffalo, signed a waiver of immunity. There's
22 no question of that. He admits that. He admits
23 that he intended to do that and was convicted.
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1 The case -- the conviction was thrown out
2 because, under the statute, the statute says
3 that the waiver of immunity must occur in the
4 presence of the grand jury. The assistant D.A.
5 who handled this basically admitted that he
6 had -- probably that the grand jury was not
7 immediately present at the time of the signing
8 of the waiver. The attorneys, the defense
9 attorney, everybody admitted it and virtually
10 everybody admits that that whole concept of
11 waiver of immunity in today's climate where
12 people are tromping in and out of the grand jury
13 room, really doesn't mean very much to start
14 with.
15 The real issue always has been
16 the issue of whether the waiver of immunity was
17 done voluntarily and knowingly, and that is
18 still the law and would still remain the law
19 once this bill was passed. All this bill would
20 change would be -- is that it wouldn't necessar
21 ily have to be actually in the presence of the
22 grand jury itself which really means nothing
23 because the grand jury doesn't know what's going
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1 on for the most part anyway, and the issue is
2 really the signing of the waiver of immunity.
3 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
4 Gold.
5 SENATOR GOLD: Thank you, Mr.
6 President.
7 Mr. President, this is another
8 bill we've had before. Last year Senators
9 Connor, myself, and Senator Markowitz and
10 Mendez, Montgomery, Ohrenstein, Oppenheimer,
11 Smith, and Solomon voted in the negative.
12 The problem with the bill is
13 basically there was one case one time when an
14 assistant D.A. made a mistake and you,
15 therefore, want to change the law and affect
16 people's rights in a substantial way because of
17 one case; and you don't do that.
18 I gave an example before on
19 this. Someone who built a golf course played
20 with their friends and every time they saw where
21 their friend hit a ball, the next time they
22 played the guy put a sand trap there.
23 Well, you can't set up the penal
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1 code and the criminal laws for one case every
2 time there's a difference. Prosecutors in this
3 state are very well trained, and young
4 prosecutors coming into the office should be
5 well trained, and you don't put an assistant
6 district attorney in charge of a grand jury
7 unless he knows what's happening, and the fact
8 is that, since Senator Volker brought this bill
9 to us, I don't know whether there's been any
10 other cases, but I haven't heard about them. He
11 says there are.
12 The bottom line is that, when
13 someone waives immunity in this country, that is
14 heavy stuff, and for Senator Volker to say it's
15 just a formality the way you do it, I don't
16 think is fair. Our system could be a lot simpler
17 if we didn't care so much about the rights of
18 innocent people and the rights of accuseds and,
19 yes, you don't walk in guilty like you do in
20 other countries. You walk in innocent, and they
21 have to prove you guilty and you can waive
22 immunity. You can. You have do it properly,
23 but, if you don't do it properly, the law
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1 protects you, and to give away that protection
2 because of one case as horrible as it may be,
3 makes no sense.
4 So I would urge everyone to
5 defeat this. The grand jury works well. The
6 prosecutors that run it work well and because
7 one prosecutor made a mistake is the wrong
8 reason, I think, to change the law.
9 SENATOR VOLKER: Mr. President.
10 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
11 Volker.
12 SENATOR VOLKER: Mr. President.
13 Senator Gold, I know, has been in a grand jury
14 room. I have been in a grand jury room too.
15 There have been other cases, by the way, that
16 involved this issue, but for the most part
17 nobody pays any attention to it because it
18 really is a technicality that has clearly out
19 lived its usefulness, virtually everyone
20 agrees.
21 The only people that, frankly,
22 don't seem to agree, because if you think about
23 it, the first thing a prosecutor has to do is
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1 ask the question, Did you sign an immunity? Was
2 it knowingly, and so forth, to go through the
3 process. The fact of whether the grand jury saw
4 you sign it or not really makes no difference
5 and, in fact, if the prosecutor doesn't make it
6 clear that there's the immunity, then you got
7 the real problem and if it's not knowing and if
8 it's not clearly -- clearly done.
9 The truth is, this is not the
10 only case, although it's been pointed out to a
11 number of us who have looked at this issue that
12 this probably happens a lot because assistant
13 district attorneys really, when you've got
14 people coming in and out on a regular basis, the
15 question is did the grand jury ever see it any
16 way, and from what I understand, it's much more
17 prevalent in New York City than it would be in
18 upstate New York.
19 SENATOR GOLD: Mr. President.
20 Will the Senator yield to a question?
21 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
22 Volker, will you yield?
23 SENATOR VOLKER: Yes.
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1 SENATOR GOLD: Senator, when this
2 happened up in your area, there was a lot of
3 press on it, wasn't there?
4 SENATOR VOLKER: Quite a bit,
5 right.
6 SENATOR GOLD: Lot of public
7 outrage.
8 SENATOR VOLKER: Right.
9 SENATOR GOLD: Don't you think,
10 if this was happening all over the state, that
11 we would see this then in the papers, if it was
12 happening in Utica and in Albany? If it was
13 happening every day, isn't it obvious we'd see
14 some of it in the papers?
15 SENATOR VOLKER: I never said it
16 was happening every day. For the most part,
17 defense attorneys and prosecuting attorneys
18 don't pay any attention to this. But the
19 possibility of an outrageous situation like this
20 happening, and then we are told where there are
21 some other incidents where appeals have been
22 made based on this sort of happening, the
23 possibility when you think of it, when there is
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1 no significant reason for doing this in the kind
2 of era that we're in, makes no sense and we
3 should just get rid of it.
4 SENATOR GOLD: Last section.
5 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
6 the last section.
7 Oh, Senator Halperin.
8 SENATOR HALPERIN: Yes. Would
9 Senator Volker yield to a question, please?
10 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: I'm
11 confident he will.
12 SENATOR VOLKER: Sure.
13 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
14 Volker.
15 SENATOR HALPERIN: Under your
16 legislation, how would the issue of whether or
17 not a waiver of immunity had been signed be
18 resolved? What would be -- who would determine
19 it; which court would determine it and what
20 would be the standard of proof?
21 SENATOR VOLKER: Well, that
22 wouldn't change at all, Senator. You know how
23 it's done now. You have -- in fact, one of the
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1 things in the grand jury minutes has to be the
2 declaration and a statement from the -- the
3 person, the defendant himself, that he did sign
4 a -- a waiver of immunity and signed it
5 knowingly, and so forth. So that wouldn't
6 change, and that issue -- the issue, this issue,
7 came up on appeal after the trial was over with
8 when the attorney went back and said, Wait a
9 minute, you know. Someone said the assistant
10 district attorney probably could have said, "Oh,
11 well, I think I did it before the -- right
12 before the grand jury," but in whatever the
13 circumstances were, he was very candid and said,
14 "No, I guess I probably didn't."
15 SENATOR HALPERIN: So, in other
16 words, before the witness would testify, there
17 would have to be entered onto -- it would have
18 to be an acknowledgement that would be entered
19 onto the record that, in fact, he was waiving -
20 he or she was waiving immunity.
21 SENATOR VOLKER: Sure.
22 SENATOR HALPERIN: And that they
23 had signed something and that was his signature.
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1 That's what would have to be done?
2 SENATOR VOLKER: Oh, sure,
3 certainly.
4 SENATOR HALPERIN: So the only
5 issue would be whether the actual signing of
6 that document occurred while the grand jury was
7 watching or was not watching.
8 SENATOR VOLKER: Exactly.
9 SENATOR GOLD: Last section.
10 SENATOR DOLLINGER: Mr.
11 President.
12 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
13 Dollinger.
14 SENATOR DOLLINGER: It's my
15 understanding, Senator, that this legislation
16 does note affect the constitutional test of the
17 waiver of immunity, that the court would still
18 determine whether it was freely and voluntarily
19 given.
20 SENATOR VOLKER: Yes.
21 SENATOR DOLLINGER: And the court
22 would then decide whether it's a factor along
23 with the other matters that the court would
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1 review in determining how it was granted.
2 SENATOR VOLKER: If there was
3 some question whether it was acknowledged and it
4 was done properly, it would seem to be an issue
5 for the court.
6 SENATOR DOLLINGER: Well, it
7 would certainly seem to me, Mr. President, that
8 if it was done in a district attorney's office
9 or on a cell block or some place, that would be
10 a factor to be considered by the court in
11 determining whether it was knowingly and
12 willingly granted.
13 SENATOR VOLKER: Certainly.
14 SENATOR DOLLINGER: And I think
15 that that has to be understood in the context of
16 the Senator's proposal.
17 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
18 the last section.
19 THE SECRETARY: Section 2. This
20 act shall take effect on the 1st day of
21 November.
22 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Call
23 the roll.
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1 (The Secretary called the roll. )
2 THE SECRETARY: Those recorded in
3 the negative on Calendar Number 22 are Senators
4 Connor, Espada, Galiber, Gold, Markowitz,
5 Mendez, Montgomery, Ohrenstein, Santiago, Smith,
6 and Solomon. Ayes 42, nays 11.
7 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: The
8 bill is passed.
9 THE SECRETARY: Calendar Number
10 23, by Senator Volker, Senate Bill Number 364,
11 an act to amend the Penal Law.
12 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY:
13 Explanation.
14 SENATOR VOLKER: Now that we got
15 through the previous legislation, this one is
16 much, much simpler.
17 All this bill would do, it would
18 add pornography to -- as a -- to the definitions
19 of the criminal or to those areas that are in
20 volved in the Organized Crime Control Act. In
21 other words, we would include the crime of por
22 nography under RICO, which is the racketeering
23 act that we passed some years ago, and it's been
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1 used very successfully against organized crime
2 throughout this state.
3 SENATOR GOLD: Mr. President.
4 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
5 Gold.
6 SENATOR GOLD: I think last year
7 we set the record for the shortest debate in
8 this area and maybe we can keep it that way.
9 Senator Babbush and myself and Senator Galiber
10 and Montgomery voted in the negative.
11 Everybody's against organized
12 crime; we're all against pornography. The only
13 issue is whether or not in handling pornography
14 we are going to take that and also put it under
15 the organized crime statute. If this bill does
16 not pass, pornography is still a crime in the
17 state of New York. It doesn't do anything in
18 that regard, and it's just a question of
19 philosophy.
20 Last section.
21 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Read
22 the last section.
23 THE SECRETARY: Section 2. This
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1 act shall take effect on the 1st day of
2 November.
3 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Call
4 the roll.
5 (The Secretary called the roll. )
6 THE SECRETARY: Those recorded in
7 the negative on Calendar Number 23 are Senators
8 Connor, Espada, Galiber, Gold and Montgomery.
9 Ayes 50, nays 5.
10 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: That
11 bill is passed.
12 SENATOR OPPENHEIMER: Mr.
13 President.
14 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
15 Oppenheimer.
16 SENATOR OPPENHEIMER: I'd like
17 unanimous consent to be recorded in the negative
18 on Calendar Number 22, please.
19 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
20 Oppenheimer will be in the negative on Calendar
21 Number 22.
22 Senator Holland.
23 SENATOR HOLLAND: Yes, Mr.
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1 President, on page 4, I offer the following
2 amendments to my bill, Calendar Number 17,
3 Senate Print Number 205, and ask that said bill
4 retain its place on Third Reading Calendar.
5 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY:
6 Amendments are received. The bill will retain
7 its place.
8 Senator Present.
9 SENATOR PRESENT: I believe
10 Senator Galiber has a resolution which I wish
11 you would entertain at this time.
12 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
13 Galiber.
14 SENATOR GALIBER: Yes. Thank
15 you, Mr. President.
16 I have a resolution, I believe,
17 that's at the desk.
18 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: It is.
19 SENATOR GALIBER: Mr. President,
20 under normal circumstances, time is an important
21 factor, but we have lost in this great country
22 of ours one of the heroes of our nation.
23 Therefore, I would ask that you read the
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1 resolution in toto of Thurgood Marshall, Justice
2 of the Supreme Court of the United States.
3 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: The
4 Secretary would read the resolution for Justice
5 Marshall.
6 THE SECRETARY: Legislative
7 Resolution, by Senator Galiber, commemorating
8 the life and career of the Honorable Thurgood
9 Marshall, Justice of the Supreme Court, and
10 expressing sincerest sorrow upon the occasion of
11 his death.
12 WHEREAS, it is the sense of this
13 legislative body that the common and shared
14 responsibility of governance demands an
15 irrevocable commitment to the preservation and
16 enhancement of human dignity;
17 There is no substitute, no
18 alternative to the full implementation of that
19 prerogative; on the contrary, the safe, sure and
20 positive definition of civil liberties dictates
21 that the discretionary power inherent in govern
22 ance be weighted in favor of that commitment;
23 The very viability of democratic
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1 procedure, the most characteristic attribute of
2 its sovereignty, remains an unswerving commit
3 ment to the pervasive and equitable extension of
4 civil liberties;
5 It is the intent of this
6 assembled body to address the significance of
7 the life and career of the Honorable Thurgood
8 Marshall, Justice of the Supreme Court;
9 The life and career of Justice
10 Thurgood Marshall represents an unyielding
11 commitment to the primacy of law, to those
12 prerogatives of justice and human dignity so
13 paradigmatic of our American manner;
14 Justice Marshall, the first
15 African-American ever to serve on the nation's
16 highest court and the great grandson of a slave,
17 rose to a position of greatness by advocating
18 civil rights that had long been wrongfully
19 denied African-Americans;
20 Having grown up in a society
21 pervaded by racism, he had the courage to seek
22 to create a radically different world where the
23 ideals of brotherhood and equality governed our
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1 law;
2 Justice Marshall was the foremost
3 champion of the rights of all persons, regard
4 less of race or gender, to equal opportunity and
5 equal justice; he understood that our Constitu
6 tion had little meaning unless its protections
7 are extended to all citizens;
8 Justice Marshall was appointed to
9 the court in 1967 by President Lyndon B. Johnson
10 after serving as a federal appeals court judge
11 and as the Johnson administration solicitor
12 general in charge of arguing cases before the
13 high court;
14 Justice Marshall is the legal
15 architect of civil rights strategy pressing his
16 beliefs in equality for women, racial and
17 political minorities; his vision of liberty was
18 fixed and encompassed all people; his faith in
19 the Constitution led him to be a stalwart
20 defender of free speech, privacy and the rights
21 of the accused;
22 Justice Marshall designed the
23 brilliant legal strategy that outlawed racial
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1 separation and successfully argued 29 out of 32
2 cases before the United States Supreme Court,
3 including Brown v. Board of Education, the
4 historic case removing the legal foundations
5 from the doctrine of segregation;
6 For nearly a quarter of a century
7 before his government service began, Thurgood
8 Marshall was the legal director of the National
9 Association for the Advancement of Colored
10 People and was a pioneering lawyer who became
11 America's most prominent civil rights attorney;
12 Through his sustained and long
13 standing commitment to the ideals and principles
14 upon which this nation was first founded, United
15 States Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall
16 did so thoroughly advance that spirit of united
17 purpose and shared concern which is the unalter
18 able manifestation of our American experience;
19 NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED
20 that this legislative body pause in its
21 deliberation and commemorate the life and career
22 of Thurgood Marshall, Justice of the Supreme
23 Court, expressing, in turn, sincerest sorrow
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1 upon the occasion of his death, and lasting
2 appreciation for his commitment and the changes
3 wrought by his career and life; and
4 BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a
5 copy of this resolution, suitably engrossed, be
6 transmitted to Mrs. Thurgood (Suyat) Marshall
7 and to Thurgood Marshall, Jr., and to John
8 Marshall.
9 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: On the
10 resolution, Senator Galiber.
11 SENATOR GALIBER: Mr. President,
12 thank you for reading the resolution in toto.
13 There comes a time in this great
14 country of ours which all of us have or most of
15 us have a great deal of love for. Every now and
16 then, a giant steps forth in our nation, someone
17 who commands, if you will, the recognition of a
18 good American.
19 Justice Marshall is one of those
20 persons. He exemplifies what our system is all
21 about, what the potential of our system really
22 is, and Justice Marshall's life was not easy.
23 He came from a town or a state of Maryland, and
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1 good stock came out of Maryland. There's the
2 Mitchell family, who fought for civil rights,
3 for issues of great concern.
4 There must be something in the
5 water there that's lacking in other places,
6 except one person. That was a justice by the
7 name of Taney, and some of you recall in your
8 history books he was the one who suggested 110
9 years prior to President Johnson designating
10 Justice Marshall as the first black to the
11 Supreme Court, he said 110 years prior to that,
12 that blacks in America had no constitutional
13 rights, they were not part of this great
14 country. So Maryland has not always been a
15 consistent place for civil rights.
16 But a strong advocate of civil
17 rights in Justice Marshall, and also Dr. Martin
18 Luther King, I think, perhaps a quote at this
19 time in history when next month we celebrate
20 Black History Week, that we take in context the
21 growth and the movement and what these great
22 people have offered to this great nation of
23 ours, and we've got to take it in the context.
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1 It's not enough for some to introduce a
2 resolution on Dr. King or introduce a resolution
3 to Thurgood Marshall unless built into their
4 souls they have a commitment to this, that they
5 understand that it came about at a time, these
6 leaders of ours, when they were so sorely
7 needed.
8 Bear with me a moment. 29 years
9 after Dr. King died, and he came up at a time
10 like Thurgood Marshall came up at a time when
11 they experienced blacks not sitting in the front
12 of the bus, that lynchings took place almost on
13 a daily basis, that they hadn't -- could not sit
14 down at the counters and eat, could not drive
15 the buses, could not work the land, at a time
16 like that.
17 In our lifetime, Thurgood
18 Marshall experienced the same fate. He came up
19 as a practicing attorney. Father wanted him to
20 be a dentist, and he said, I became a lawyer
21 because my father insisted that I pay attention
22 and argue every point and have an answer for
23 every question that were asked of me.
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1 He made application to a small
2 college in Maryland, law school. Turned down.
3 And revenge is sweet on occasion. Some of us
4 don't practice revenge because that's bad, takes
5 up too much time, and one of the first suits
6 that he brought after passing the bar, he sued
7 that law school and was successful in terms of
8 them entering or allowing blacks to enter law
9 school.
10 Both these great men, great
11 Americans, came up at a time when it was not
12 popular, if you will, to think in terms of being
13 part of a system. They came up at a time when
14 we were concerned about the growth of blacks in
15 America. There were some of us who argued that
16 the Constitution applied and Thurgood Marshall
17 was -- Thurgood Marshall was committed to a
18 Constitution that some of your forefathers had
19 written and did not apply to blacks in this
20 country. He said it does apply, that when we
21 say "we, the people" we really meant "we, the
22 people" and when we talked of equal opportunity
23 we're talking about equal opportunity for all,
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1 and when we talk about liberty and justice and
2 fairness, we were talking about all the people.
3 This is what this great Baltimore lawyer meant
4 to us.
5 He was a giant too in his time
6 and, interestingly, he was asked the question
7 and it's all said in the resolution, he was
8 asked a very simple question and he said,
9 "Justice Marshall, what about your replacement?
10 Would you want to see another black man on the
11 Court of Appeals?" And he gave a very short,
12 cryptic and fair answer. He said, "It doesn't
13 make any difference except if that person be
14 fair and just and," he said, "my father" -- and
15 he quoted his father and grandfather quite often
16 -- "he said that black snakes bite you; white
17 snakes bite you. Still dead." And if we apply
18 that notion to what we have now, it leaves
19 something to be desired, in my best judgment.
20 Thurgood Marshall was chief
21 counsel for the NAACP, U. S. Appeals Court, the
22 nation's solicitor general, and the first black
23 to serve with background and experience in
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1 racism in this country and civil rights and a
2 number of other things that we have mentioned in
3 the resolution.
4 Think about it, that here's a man
5 who had to go into the south to fight cases and
6 sit in caskets in a funeral home to avoid the Ku
7 Klux Klan from getting at him, and all these bad
8 and horrible experiences. They called him
9 "turkey" because he was poor and he was
10 somewhat arrogant, and he was a handsome man and
11 he spoke his mind, with peace of mind, rather,
12 and we were so proud of him.
13 America should be proud of this
14 man, because his work in civil rights, his work
15 with women, his work with people in general has
16 done so much to enhance this country in such a
17 short period of time. Can you imagine the
18 progress that we have made in this country when
19 we stop to consider in the 29 years of Dr. King
20 and the short life of Martin -- of Thurgood
21 Marshall, Justice of the Supreme Court. Look at
22 the growth in America during this short span of
23 time. Look at the accomplishments that have
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1 happened in this short span of time in this
2 great nation of ours, with a lot of faults and a
3 few cracks, but certainly a great, great, great,
4 great country.
5 So I honor this man today as a
6 great American, for someone who has given so
7 much to us. I'm honored personally because of
8 the skin color, the skin color that I have worn
9 for over some 60 years, but more important I am
10 so proud that America had the opportunity to
11 share in the life of this great man.
12 Marshall was the only black ever
13 to serve on the nation's highest court. Justice
14 Marshall is one of the Titanics, if you will, of
15 American law, and a great grandson of a slave.
16 Justice Marshall rose to a position of greatness
17 and by winning civil rights cases that had long
18 been wrongfully denied African-Americans, and he
19 grew up in a society pervaded by a racism, but
20 he had the imagination and the courage to
21 imagine a radically different world where the
22 ideals of brotherhood and quality governance was
23 the law of the land, and Justice Marshall was
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1 the foremost champion of the rights of
2 minorities to equal opportunity and affirmative
3 action that we hear so much about which has
4 taken on another context in what he really
5 meant.
6 He talked about justice, and he
7 understood that our Constitution had little
8 meaning unless its protections are extended to
9 all American citizens, to all the indigents, to
10 the death row inmates and those with politically
11 unpopular views. He was the only Supreme Court
12 Justice to have represented a defendant accused
13 of murder in the south.
14 So, Mr. Chairman, Mr. President,
15 I ask that those who are here today and those
16 who are desirous of joining with me as we
17 celebrate a great American, the loss to America,
18 the loss to a number of people, as we celebrate
19 his death and recognize what he has offered to
20 this great nation of ours in such a short span
21 of time, that he has reversed America, that he
22 has added to this great country.
23 He has given to us a different
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1 perspective about basic human rights, and we in
2 this chamber argue from time to time whether
3 we're getting too tough or whether we're giving
4 up too much or whether we should go the extra
5 mile or whether we should give someone an equal
6 opportunity to participate.
7 Colleagues, we're not doing that
8 bad in America. We have a long, long way to go,
9 but if you listen very carefully as we celebrate
10 the death of Thurgood Marshall and as we
11 celebrate Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday and
12 as we celebrate Black History Week, we have made
13 giant steps in the right direction. A long way
14 to go, no question about it.
15 So I'd ask that those who are
16 desirous of doing so, join myself and Senator
17 Waldon, who is co-sponsor, prime co-sponsor of
18 this resolution, who could not be here today, to
19 join us with this resolution. But only join us,
20 do not put your name on this resolution unless
21 you feel a strong commitment to what this man
22 represented. I would rather you not put your
23 name on it if you do not have that kind of
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2 Thank you for your time.
3 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
4 Ohrenstein.
5 SENATOR OHRENSTEIN: Mr.
6 President, I'm very pleased to rise to second
7 this resolution.
8 It's -- it's almost trite to say
9 that America has lost an enormous asset.
10 Thurgood Marshall became not just another
11 Justice of the Supreme Court. Thurgood Marshall
12 became an institution that represented so many
13 things that were important to the country that
14 it is very difficult to imagine this country
15 without him.
16 He was one of those people you
17 just relied on as being there and he was a -
18 he put a stamp on a certain part of this country
19 and the certain things which this country stood
20 for, so you expected him to be there because he,
21 in every day of his life and certainly every day
22 of his public life, reiterated and underlined
23 the things that he stood for and that he made
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1 important for the United States of America.
2 There's a very interesting
3 observation one has to make about Thurgood
4 Marshall's life and his antecedents. Thurgood
5 Marshall was a revolutionary in every sense of
6 the word. He may not have fought a revolution
7 at the point of a gun or at the point of a sword
8 but he fought a revolution in words and in
9 actions and in deeds. He was at the cutting
10 edge of the civil rights revolution in this
11 country, and I don't think we should ever forget
12 that at the time that Thurgood Marshall -
13 Thurgood Marshall was active, it was, in fact,
14 during the middle of a civil rights revolution
15 in this country, because the changes that took
16 place as a result of that period of time in the
17 '50s and in the '60s, this country changed
18 fundamentally and in a revolutionary way.
19 Our new President quoted
20 President Jefferson in his inaugural address and
21 indicated that President Jefferson was a
22 revolutionary, because when you read Jefferson's
23 writings and you read his concept of what a
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1 representative democracy is like, you understand
2 that here was a man who believed with all of his
3 heart and mind that this country, if it stood
4 for anything, it stood for the ability to change
5 and to learn and to adjust to new conditions and
6 new circumstances that we are met with from time
7 to time.
8 And I am not at all unabashed of
9 ranking Thurgood Marshall with Thomas Jefferson,
10 because just as Thomas Jefferson said that the
11 tree of liberty had to be watered with blood
12 every 20 years -- and that's what he said, so if
13 you want to talk about a revolutionary, there
14 was the revolutionary -- because not only did he
15 participate in the American Revolution, he
16 indicated that the American Revolution had to be
17 a constant thing, ever repeated, ever reborn,
18 and that's what Thurgood Marshall stood for.
19 He was at the front line of the
20 civil rights revolution, and that was a real
21 revolution. It was one of those 20-year
22 revolutions because that revolution was watered
23 in blood, and maybe Thurgood Marshall was not
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1 out there drawing the blood, but he was there
2 and without him the blood could neither be drawn
3 nor spilled nor finally put to rest.
4 Most of us in my age group at
5 least grew up with Thurgood Marshall as a
6 symbol, both in his young manhood and his middle
7 manhood and then finally in the great, reaching
8 the great -- the greatness of being a member of
9 the Supreme Court and participating in every way
10 in shaping America.
11 Now, what is interesting to me is
12 that, as we change in this country, new people
13 come into government. New people come into
14 leadership and, when we go through these
15 changes, there is always the feeling how could
16 this particular person become a President? How
17 could that particular person become a Supreme
18 Court Justice? How could they be a United States
19 Senator? How could they be a governor? Look what
20 they did. This man is a radical or this woman
21 is a radical. This is an unreliable person.
22 This is someone who can't be counted on to
23 emphasize the verities for which this country
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1 stands for, and you can go through the list,
2 whether it's the women's rights movement or the
3 civil rights movement, or the movement for -- as
4 recognizing Hispanics or Puerto Ricans or for
5 Jews or the Irish or the Italians. Every time
6 the leaders, as they are perceived and as they
7 rise from the ranks, how could you entrust the
8 future of the United States of America to people
9 like this? They're foreigners. They're aliens.
10 They don't represent what this country stands
11 for. They're not responsible. They cannot rise
12 to the mantle of leadership.
13 Well, look at the life of
14 Thurgood Marshall. Thirty years ago, he was a
15 revolutionary; 30 years ago, he was perceived as
16 someone who was close to being irresponsible.
17 How could you entrust the life of this country
18 to him? And here we are at the end of his life
19 knowing that he was a rock around which the
20 Supreme Court of the United States functioned
21 for the last 20 or so years; someone who took
22 his revolutionary principles and made them the
23 very bedrock of the United States Constitution
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1 because when he was in the majority on the court
2 and then, now, when he was in the minority on
3 the court, you could count on Thurgood Marshall
4 to talk about what is important for this
5 country, not just in civil rights because that's
6 where he was an expert. But read his opinions
7 on anti-trust law or securities law or insurance
8 law. All of the esoteria with which -- and the
9 complexity which this country is made of and
10 which have to function, all of these have to
11 function together in order to continue our
12 prosperity and to continue our leadership in the
13 world and our leadership for ourselves. And
14 here was this revolutionary who grew to take his
15 principles to the very top of this nation and
16 plant them immutably into the Constitution of
17 the United States.
18 So what I take from this great
19 life is a lesson to this country that, as we
20 grow from era to era, from time to time, from
21 revolution to revolution, from change to change,
22 we have to take heed of the leaders that lead
23 these movements because they may be revolution
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1 aries at the time and some people may think
2 they're going off the track and they're leading
3 this country to perdition when, in fact, they
4 are the leaders who lead this country to its
5 true self and to its fulfillment in their
6 particular time and their particular place.
7 I don't think there's any greater
8 tribute that we can pay to any man than to say
9 that he spent his life in bringing about change
10 which was needed, going that last mile to make
11 sure the change occurred, and then taking it and
12 making it part of the American way of life and
13 making America better than it was, and that's
14 what Thurgood Marshall did.
15 Finally, I simply want to say
16 this: I was in Washington, I had the privilege
17 of being in Washington last Wednesday and most
18 of us who sat there were expecting to see
19 Thurgood Marshall because he was listed as a -
20 as imparting the oath to our new vice-president,
21 Albert Gore, and it was very disappointing when,
22 without any notice, when it came to that moment
23 in time when Senator Gore was being sworn in as
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1 vice-president, the name of Justice White was
2 announced instead of the name of Justice
3 Marshall.
4 We all knew that Justice Marshall
5 had not been well, but no one had any sense that
6 he was so close to leaving us, and it was a
7 great disappointment because that ceremony was
8 impressive. It was inspiring and it would have
9 been a wonderful end of a -- an unimaginably
10 important career to have seen him there.
11 So I just want to say for myself,
12 it was a very disappointing moment not to be
13 able to see him there as it would have turned
14 out in some of the last moments in his life.
15 So I agree with Joe Galiber, this
16 is the moment for sadness and disappointment
17 but, more importantly, it's a moment of
18 celebrating a very, very important life, a very
19 important life style, a very important landmark
20 in our history, and hopefully an important
21 lesson to all of us as to how great leaders are
22 born, how they become great leaders and how they
23 finally manage to lead not only their own
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1 causes, but the greatest cause of all, which is
2 the greatness and the growth of this great
3 country.
4 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
5 Marchi.
6 SENATOR MARCHI: Mr. President,
7 it's certainly appropriate and fitting that this
8 resolution be before us and it has great signif
9 icance. The road to recognition of human
10 dignity is a long and difficult one. I think
11 we're indebted to Senator Paterson at one point
12 who pointed out the presence, yes, in the
13 Constitution of the United States of the
14 vestigial remnant that is not applicable.
15 Thomas Jefferson himself was a
16 slave owner, but already he felt that -- that
17 this was not the right way to go. As a matter
18 of fact, when he developed his Articles of
19 Confederation and the Northwest Ordinance he
20 expressly ruled it out. He authored it and did
21 not want that as a part of the Northwest
22 Ordinance which led to the development of five
23 states north of the Ohio River, and it was by
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1 fitting false jumps and starts that we reached
2 the time of the Civil War, the Emancipation
3 Proclamation, and the adoption of the Thir
4 teenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments.
5 But still it was an enormous
6 territory to travel and, indeed, I think the
7 contribution of Thurgood Marshall and Dr. King
8 was not to structure a brutal reaction to all
9 this, but to win the hearts and minds of the men
10 and women of America and the echo that has
11 resounded around the world and in this that they
12 were eminently successful because these were the
13 efforts that were crowned with success.
14 Not that this was the end of the
15 road, but it established the premises upon which
16 a society could, in an orderly way, in a very
17 happy way really, interact with each other on
18 the basis of full acceptance and respect for the
19 dignity of every member of the human family.
20 And this was a -- this was a -- not only a legal
21 achievement, something that went into the
22 Constitution.
23 England has no constitution at
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1 all. They don't have a supreme court, but it
2 grew out of the customs and usages of the people
3 and they too have a very fine open society.
4 But this -- this went to the root
5 of the spiritual, the spiritual -- spiritual
6 heritage of our country, and it became part of
7 our very being, and hopefully this is the path
8 that will also lead us into implementing that
9 respect that we have for every member of
10 humanity, and with that must also go a concern
11 for that person's existence, for his happiness
12 and her happiness which contributes really. It
13 helps everyone. It helps the one who -- who
14 recognizes this as much as the one who receives
15 this recognition.
16 So we all benefit. We all
17 benefit by the prodigious monumental efforts of
18 Thurgood Marshall and Dr. King. We all benefit
19 by it, and it establishes an even higher plateau
20 and a more auspicious one notwithstanding the
21 flaws that exist in a human society, but as we
22 lift our sights, as we lift those sights, it
23 gives us a better vision of what can be and will
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1 be, if we want it to be.
2 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
3 Galiber, is your resolution open for other
4 people?
5 SENATOR GALIBER: Oh, definitely.
6 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: No,
7 they're coming up to the desk. The resolution
8 is open for anybody who wishes to co-sponsor.
9 Senator Daly -- raise your hand
10 or let the desk know if you want to be on it.
11 Senator Daly.
12 SENATOR DALY: I think it's
13 appropriate that we place in the record today
14 the words of a peer of Justice Marshall.
15 Justice Sandra Day O'Connor described Justice
16 Marshall as "a man who sees the world exactly as
17 it is and pushes on to make it what it can
18 become." And seldom have I heard one sentence
19 so completely and so admiringly describe an
20 individual, and I thought it would be
21 appropriate if these words were interred in the
22 document that will preserve his memory and
23 glorify his life.
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1 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
2 Dollinger, and then Senator Paterson.
3 SENATOR DOLLINGER: Mr.
4 President, I rise to just focus on one incident
5 that I think might provide a little guidance and
6 I hope provide some guidance for the future of
7 this chamber.
8 One of the episodes that Senator
9 Galiber mentioned was the advocacy of Justice
10 Marshall in the Brown v. Board of Education
11 case, and I think it's important that we look
12 back on what was at stake in that case and what
13 role he played in it.
14 For about 70 years before it,
15 this country had lived under the rule of Plessy
16 v. Ferguson which said that it was O.K. under
17 the Constitution to have a separate but equal
18 system in which we treated people differently,
19 but our Constitution did not compel everyone in
20 this country to work together, to live together
21 and to be educated together.
22 So the hurdle that he faced in
23 Brown v. Board of Education was a sizeable one.
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1 Yet he performed his task admirably and, in
2 fact, convinced the entire United States Supreme
3 Court to strike down that rule of law and to
4 usher in a new era in which "separate but equal"
5 would no longer be a part.
6 Those of you who were alive then
7 -- I was just a young child -- I'm sure no
8 doubt recall what transpired after that. A
9 veritable constitutional crisis when certain
10 states decided that they were immune from the
11 new nationwide principle of integration of
12 opportunity.
13 Required President Eisenhower to
14 send troops into Arkansas. It required confron
15 tations between governors who were segregation
16 ists and a president and a government, a
17 national government, who were committed to the
18 principles of equality.
19 Now, as we look back 30 years
20 later, it seems that that's a constant struggle
21 that we have achieved a sense of integration, a
22 sense of our community of purpose with all the
23 people in this country. Yet, I think it's
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1 important to recognize that the dream espoused
2 in Brown v. Board of Education, one that
3 Thurgood Marshall created, is not a reality
4 yet.
5 I concur with my colleague,
6 Senator Galiber, we are not down the road yet.
7 We can take some consolation in knowing that
8 those who took the first big step have made it
9 much easier for us who take the smaller step to
10 follow in their path, but we would do Thurgood
11 Marshall a disservice if we didn't commit our
12 selves in this state to making sure that the
13 principle of equal opportunity in education for
14 all our children is a part of our future. We in
15 this body hold the power to make that happen.
16 We owe it to Thurgood Marshall's legacy to make
17 sure that it does.
18 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
19 Paterson.
20 SENATOR PATERSON: Thank you, Mr.
21 President.
22 Thurgood Marshall was not an
23 outstanding African-American Justice of the
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1 Supreme Court. He was an outstanding Justice of
2 the Supreme Court, and I think that that rang
3 pretty clear from the remarks that Senator Daly
4 and Senator Marchi who pointed out that we are
5 all indebted to Justice Marshall, that the
6 struggles that Justice Marshall endured in his
7 legal career and then as a Justice of the
8 Supreme Court are symbolic of our struggle as
9 Americans to receive equality in justice.
10 Certainly when Senator Ohrenstein
11 pointed out the other areas of law that Justice
12 Marshall made great inroads in, the areas of
13 anti-trust law, the areas of securities law and
14 I was thinking of the decisions he made on
15 patents, we recognize this great talent.
16 But at the same time Justice
17 Marshall is a symbol; Justice Marshall was the
18 grandson of a slave. Well, our President
19 Benjamin Harrison was the grandson of our
20 President William Henry Harrison. Our President
21 John Quincy Adams was the son of President John
22 Adams, but no one in the Marshall family would
23 ever have had the opportunity to serve America
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1 as Justice Marshall did, really by an accident
2 of birth, and so when we celebrate the career of
3 Justice Thurgood Marshall, we are also
4 celebrating those African-Americans, both the
5 living and the dead, who struggled throughout
6 the 19th and 20th centuries to build a viable
7 national movement that was aimed in the
8 direction of receiving economic, political and
9 social justice.
10 And so Justice Marshall is really
11 symbolic of many whose names we don't know who,
12 on the lower frequencies, offered America the
13 same opportunities for freedom and justice that
14 Justice Marshall was able to write in his
15 decisions, and when we think of Justice
16 Marshall's grandparents who were slaves, we
17 think of the Supreme Court decision of the Dred
18 Scott case in 1857.
19 This was the case that ruled,
20 some believed, that there could be slavery north
21 of the 36th parallel, and so that the Kansas
22 Nebraska Act and also the compromise of 1850
23 were valid, but actually the Dred Scott case did
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1 not rule on that particular issue. That issue
2 was rendered by a Supreme Court verdict of 1852
3 in the case of Spada v. Graham.
4 The Dred Scott decision ruled
5 that Dred Scott, since he was considered to be a
6 slave and the property of other parties, did not
7 have the right to sue in a national court case
8 before the United States Supreme Court and so,
9 what we learn is that, when Justice Marshall was
10 growing up and he talked to his grandparents,
11 they couldn't talk about the institution of the
12 railroad or the greater than ever economic
13 development in the United States in the late
14 19th Century. All they could talk to him was
15 about herding the fields and picking cotton and
16 all of those jobs that were incumbent upon
17 slaves in this country.
18 So when we look at how far we've
19 come, we recognize that Justice Marshall's
20 decisions really are indemic of a problem that
21 this country continues to have and that is
22 simply that ever since the Brown v. Board of
23 Education decision of 1954, we have not been
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1 able to create the type of economic and
2 political and social justice that we would like
3 to have despite the passage of the 1964 Civil
4 Rights Act or the -- or the 1965 Voting Rights
5 Act, and that those such as Justice Marshall are
6 really something that we as Americans have to
7 consider to be of -- of a valueless proportion
8 to our development as a country, and when you
9 pick up the newspaper, as I did last week and
10 read that Justice Marshall's predecessor voted
11 to abolish a 19... 1876 civil rights decision
12 that would have protected clinics that provide
13 abortions from the type of pressure and the type
14 of political organizing for which they have been
15 victim of, we recognize that maybe we shouldn't
16 be celebrating the passing of Justice Marshall,
17 but should be very sad.
18 So we have to read that Justice
19 Marshall's predecessor rendered a decision in a
20 case where the Reagan/Bush Justice Department
21 sued a city in Alabama because an African
22 American city councilman could not receive the
23 powers that were incumbent upon the office at
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1 the time that this council member was a
2 candidate for office because the board of
3 governors of this city reassigned and realigned
4 the actual political powers that this office
5 conveyed, we recognize that in a 7 to 2 decision
6 in which the Justice Department prevailed, that
7 unfortunately Justice Marshall's predecessor
8 voted with Justice Scalia to delay what would be
9 equality in this country right now.
10 So I think that we certainly are
11 -- should pay a great debt of gratitude to
12 Senator Galiber and Senator Waldon who could not
13 be here today for having the foresight to
14 celebrate this time in American history which is
15 certainly one that we would want to reflect as
16 the passage of a great era in the United States
17 Supreme Court and the passing of a great man.
18 I'm only sorry that the same
19 foresight did not exist when Americans opposed
20 the nomination of Justice Marshall back in April
21 of 1967, not because they thought that his
22 decisions would be too liberal, not because they
23 disagreed with an ideological point of view that
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1 Justice Marshall had, but because Justice
2 Marshall looked a little bit different than
3 those who sat on the court before him.
4 Through his effort and through
5 the efforts of President Johnson who nominated
6 him and all of those who spoke on this
7 resolution today, certainly he would be
8 remembered a lot more fondly by all Americans
9 than he was thought of when he was a nominee to
10 the Supreme Court.
11 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: On the
12 resolution. Senator Nolan. Would you care to
13 speak as to the resolution?
14 SENATOR NOLAN: Like to speak
15 briefly to the resolution. It's a tough act to
16 follow Senator Paterson, Senator Dollinger,
17 Senator Marchi and so many of my colleagues.
18 But truly I think a lot of us
19 here realize that maybe the single biggest issue
20 facing this country over the next 10 to 20 years
21 is the whole issue of race relationships in this
22 country and, you know, we have certainly come a
23 long way since President Lincoln enunciated the
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1 Emancipation Proclamation, since many things
2 that have happened over the years and certainly
3 the Brown v. Board of Education decision where
4 Thurgood Marshall so ably represented the
5 plaintiff and, as I say, we still have an awful
6 long way to go, but Thurgood Marshall certainly
7 was one of the people in this country that has
8 helped move our process forward so considerably.
9 When we think of the time that
10 Thurgood Marshall grew up, where when he wanted
11 to -- a brilliant student in college, when he
12 tried to enter the University of Maryland, was
13 turned down on the basis that -- of his race,
14 and who later sued, by the way, the University
15 of Maryland in order to allow minorities to be
16 able to enroll there, we look at his career, and
17 he certainly is one of the great human beings
18 and one of the great people in the history of
19 this country, not black or white or Hispanic or
20 whatever, but one of the great human beings, as
21 Senator Paterson talked about and Senator
22 Galiber, and it was the fact that he was an
23 African-American serving on the Supreme Court.
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1 He was a great Supreme Court Justice.
2 He, very interesting, many of his
3 early decisions, when he was dissenting, later
4 became the majority opinions of that court.
5 I think he's certainly a man that
6 we all can admire very, very much, and certainly
7 it was a sad day when health necessitated that
8 he step down from the court.
9 He certainly left a great legacy.
10 He left a legacy of great intellect, great
11 compassion as a human being. I thought it was
12 very interesting that some people thought, in
13 his later years, he was a very taciturn, very
14 stern individual, but yet when I read stories
15 about what Judge Brennan said about him, that he
16 made that outward exterior, that he was one of
17 the great raconteurs and great storytellers that
18 he's ever met, a person who could weave stories
19 about his youth, his growing up, and so on, to
20 everyday situations and equate them to everyday
21 situations that happen in our lives, and by
22 telling a lot of these stories and many of them
23 humorous, and so on, he was able to make points
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1 to people that might not easily bve recognized
2 if you were going in a confrontation or
3 one-on-one kind of situation.
4 A. So I am very happy and pleased to be able to
5 stand up here today and second this resolution.
6 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
7 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: On the
8 resolution, all in favor say aye.
9 (Response of "Aye.")
10 Those opposed nay.
11 (There was no response.)
12 The resolution is unanimously
13 adopted.
14 Senator Stachowski.
15 SENATOR STACHOWSKI: When we did
16 the package of resolutions, I was remiss in not
17 asking if anyone else besides on behalf of the
18 western New York guys, who weren't on, asked me
19 to put them on Resolution Number 258, which is
20 another Bills resolution -
21 SENATOR CONNOR: Another one?
22 SENATOR STACHOWSKI: Yes; this one
23 is marking the historic fact that the Bills are
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1 going to the third -- three straight titles, the
2 only team in the history of the league that are
3 going to the Super Bowl the third straight
4 title, and anyone else that would like to get on
5 that, I'd like to open that up for them.
6 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Anyone
7 else that would like to get on New York's team
8 may join the resolution.
9 SENATOR GOLD: Mr. President.
10 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Yes,
11 Senator Gold.
12 SENATOR GOLD: Yes, if the
13 individuals who are raising their hands now
14 would also like to be on my victory resolution
15 for the Bills next week -
16 SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President.
17 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Senator
18 Present.
19 SENATOR PRESENT: Can we return to
20 reports of standing committees?
21 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Yes, we
22 may. Secretary will return to the reports of
23 standing committees.
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1 THE SECRETARY: Senator Maltese,
2 from the Committee on Crime Victims, Crime and
3 Correction, reports the following bills directly
4 for third reading:
5 Senate Bill Number 128, by
6 Senator Padavan, an act to amend the Executive
7 Law; and ALSO Senate Bill Number 577, by Senator
8 LaValle, an act to amend the Correction Law.
9 Senator Levy, from the Committee
10 on Transportation, reports the following bills
11 directly for third reading:
12 Senate Bill Number 67, by Senator
13 Levy, requiring the Department of Motor Vehicles
14 to inform the public of problems;
15 Senate Bill Number 70, by Senator
16 Levy, an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic
17 Law, in relation to penalties;
18 Senate Bill Number 192, by
19 Senator Levy and others, an act to amend the
20 Highway Law, in relation to making the cost of
21 structural integrity evaluations;
22 Senate Bill Number 232, by
23 Senator Tully and others, an act to amend
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1 the Vehicle and Traffic Law and the State
2 Finance Law.
3 All bills reported directly for
4 third reading.
5 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: Without
6 objection, all bills reported directly to third
7 reading.
8 Senator Present.
9 SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President,
10 there being no further business, I move we
11 adjourn until Monday, February 3rd, at 2:30
12 p.m., intervening days to be legislative days.
13 ACTING PRESIDENT FARLEY: The
14 Senate will stand adjourned until Monday at 2:30
15 p.m., prompt, intervening days to be legislative
16 days.
17 (Whereupon at 4:48 p.m., the
18 Senate adjourned.)
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