Regular Session - June 9, 1993

                                                                 
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         9               ALBANY, NEW YORK

        10                 June 9, 1993

        11                  12:40 p.m.

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        14               REGULAR SESSION

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        18       SENATOR FRANK PADAVAN, Acting President

        19       STEPHEN F. SLOAN, Secretary

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         1                      P R O C E E D I N G S

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Senate

         3       will come to order.

         4                      Please join me and rise for the

         5       Pledge of Allegiance.

         6                      (Whereupon, the Senate joined in

         7       the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. )

         8                      In the absence of clergy, we will

         9       bow our heads for a brief moment of prayer.

        10                      (Whereupon, there was a moment of

        11       silence. )

        12                      Reading of the Journal.

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  In Senate,

        14       Tuesday, June 8.  The Senate met pursuant to

        15       adjournment.  Senator Farley in the chair upon

        16       designation of the Temporary President.  The

        17       Journal of Monday, June 7, was read and

        18       approved.  On motion, Senate adjourned.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

        20       Hearing no objection, the Journal stands

        21       approved as read.

        22                      Presentation of petitions.

        23                      Messages from the Assembly.











                                                             
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         1                      Messages from the Governor.

         2                      Reports of standing committees.

         3                      Reports of select committees.

         4                      Communications and reports from

         5       state officers.

         6                      Motions and resolutions.

         7                      Senator Johnson.

         8                      SENATOR JOHNSON:  Mr. President,

         9       on page 19, I offer the following amendments to

        10       Calendar Number 799, Senate Print Number 4139,

        11       ask the said bill retain its place on the Third

        12       Reading Calendar.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  So

        14       ordered.

        15                      Senator Present.

        16                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Mr. President,

        17       I wish to call up my bill, Print 2956, recalled

        18       from the Assembly which is now at the desk.

        19                      THE SECRETARY:  By Senator

        20       Present, Senate Bill Number 2956, an act to

        21       amend the Tax Law.

        22                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Mr. President,

        23       I now move to reconsider the vote by which this











                                                             
4640

         1       bill was passed.

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

         3       Secretary will call the roll on reconsideration.

         4                      (The Secretary called the roll on

         5       reconsideration. )

         6                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 45.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

         8       bill is before the house.

         9                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Mr. President,

        10       I now offer the following amendments.

        11                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

        12       Amendments are received.

        13                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Thank you.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Bill

        15       retains its place on the calendar.

        16                      Senator Levy.

        17                      SENATOR LEVY:  Yes, Mr.

        18       President.  I move to amend Senate Bill Number

        19       4887A by striking out the amendments made on

        20       June 1st and restoring it to its original print

        21       number S. 4887.

        22                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        23       amendments are stricken.  The bill now is











                                                             
4641

         1       restored to its original print.  Is that

         2       correct, Senator Levy?

         3                      (There was no response. )

         4                      Are there any other actions?

         5                      (There was no response. )

         6                      Substitutions.

         7                      THE SECRETARY:  On page 28 of

         8       today's calendar, Senator Wright moves to

         9       discharge the Committee on Rules from Assembly

        10       Bill Number 6841 and substitute it for the

        11       identical Third Reading 1023.

        12                      On page 28, Senator Spano moves

        13       to discharge the Committee on Rules from

        14       Assembly Bill Number 6101A and substitute it for

        15       the identical Third Reading 1029.

        16                      On page 29, Senator Trunzo moves

        17       to discharge the Committee on Rules from

        18       Assembly Bill Number 7704A and substitute it for

        19       the identical Third Reading 1035.

        20                      Also on page 29, Senator Holland

        21       moves to discharge the Committee on Mental

        22       Health and Developmental Disabilities from

        23       Assembly Bill Number 353 and substitute it for











                                                             
4642

         1       the identical Third Reading 1039.

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

         3       Substitutions ordered.

         4                      We'll proceed with the calendar,

         5       Senator Present.  Shall we proceed with the

         6       non-controversial calendar?

         7                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Mr. President,

         8       let's proceed with the non-controversial

         9       calendar, please.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        11       229, on page 6, by Senator Stafford.

        12                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay it

        14       aside.

        15                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        16       338, by Senator Sears.

        17                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Lay it aside

        18       for the day.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay it

        20       aside for the day.

        21                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        22       567, by Senator Seward, Senate Bill Number -

        23                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.











                                                             
4643

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay it

         2       aside.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         4       630, by Senator Cook, Senate Bill Number 2917A,

         5       an act to amend the General City Law.

         6                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

         7       the last section.

         8                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         9       act shall take effect immediately.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

        11       the roll.

        12                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 35.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        15       bill is passed.

        16                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        17       631, by Senator Cook, Senate Bill Number 3201A,

        18       an act to amend the General City Law, the Town

        19       Law and the Village Law.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

        21       the last section.

        22                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        23       act shall take effect immediately.











                                                             
4644

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

         2       the roll.

         3                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         4                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 36.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

         6       bill is passed.

         7                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         8       653, by Senator Tully, Senate Bill Number 2689A,

         9       an act to amend the Public Health Law.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

        11       the last section.

        12                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        13       act shall take effect immediately.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

        15       the roll.

        16                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        17                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 36.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        19       bill is passed.

        20                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        21       685, by Senator Lack, Senate Bill Number 4044.

        22                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay











                                                             
4645

         1       the bill aside.

         2                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         3       715, by Senator Velella, Senate Bill Number

         4       4998A, an act to amend the Insurance Law.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

         6       the last section.

         7                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         8       act shall take effect immediately.

         9                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

        10       the roll.

        11                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        12                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 37.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        14       bill is passed.

        15                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        16       720, by member of the Assembly Vann, Assembly

        17       Bill Number 7098A, Not-for-Profit Corporation

        18       Law.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

        20       the last section.

        21                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        22       act shall take effect immediately.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call











                                                             
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         1       the roll.

         2                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 37.

         4                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

         5       bill is passed.

         6                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         7       729, by Senator Saland, Senate Bill Number

         8       3105B, General Business Law.

         9                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

        10       the last section.

        11                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        12       act shall take effect immediately.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

        14       the roll.

        15                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        16                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 37.

        17                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        18       bill is passed.

        19                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        20       770, by Senator Lack, Senate Bill Number 1639.

        21                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Lay it aside.

        22                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay

        23       the bill aside.











                                                             
4647

         1                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         2       771, by Senator Lack, Senate Bill Number 1641B,

         3       Workers' Compensation Law, the Insurance Law and

         4       the State Finance Law.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

         6       the last section.

         7                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         8       act shall take effect immediately.

         9                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

        10       the roll.

        11                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        12                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

        13       Results.

        14                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 36.  Nays -

        15                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

        16       Results.

        17                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 35, nays 2.

        18       Senators DeFrancisco and Wright recorded in the

        19       negative.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        21       bill is passed.

        22                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        23       842, by Senator Maltese, Senate Bill Number











                                                             
4648

         1       4112A, an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic

         2       Law.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

         4       the last section.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         6       act shall take effect immediately.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

         8       the roll.

         9                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

        11       Results.

        12                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 37.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        14       bill is passed.

        15                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        16       957, by Senator -

        17                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside for

        18       Senator Halperin.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay it

        20       aside.

        21                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        22       1003, by Senator -

        23                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.











                                                             
4649

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay

         2       the bill aside.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         4       1007, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Bill Number

         5        -

         6                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay

         8       the bill aside at the request of Senator Gold.

         9                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        10       1012.

        11                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        12                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay it

        13       aside.

        14                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        15       1013, by Senator Holland.

        16                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        17                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay it

        18       aside.

        19                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        20       1014, by Senator Pataki.

        21                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        22                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay

        23       the bill aside.











                                                             
4650

         1                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         2       1015, by Senator Tully.

         3                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

         4                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay

         5       the bill aside.

         6                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         7       1016, by Senator Kuhl, Senate Bill Number 2454.

         8                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

         9                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay

        10       the bill aside.

        11                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        12       1017, by Senator Saland.

        13                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay

        15       the bill aside.

        16                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        17       1018, by Senator Cook, Senate Bill Number 2970,

        18       State Administrative Procedure Act.

        19                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside for

        20       Senator Leichter.

        21                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay

        22       the bill aside.

        23                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number











                                                             
4651

         1       1019, by Senator Waldon, Senate Bill Number

         2       3330, an act to amend the Social Services Law.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

         4       the last section.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         6       act shall take effect immediately.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

         8       the roll.

         9                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

        11       Results.

        12                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 40.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        14       bill is passed.

        15                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        16       1020, by Senator Volker.

        17                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay it

        19       aside.

        20                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        21       1021, by Senator Farley, Senate Bill Number

        22       3610.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read











                                                             
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         1       the last section.

         2                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         3       act shall take effect immediately.

         4                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

         5       the roll.

         6                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

         8       Results.

         9                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 38, nays 2,

        10       Senators Gold and Leichter recorded in the

        11       negative.

        12                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        13       bill is passed.

        14                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        15       1022, by Senator Wright, Senate Bill Number

        16       3806A, State Administrative Procedure Act.

        17                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Lay it aside.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Lay it

        19       aside.

        20                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        21       1023, by member of the Assembly Seabrook,

        22       substituted earlier today, Assembly Bill Number

        23       6841, State Administrative Procedure Act.











                                                             
4653

         1                      SENATOR PADAVAN:  Read the last

         2       section.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         4       act shall take effect immediately.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

         6       the roll.

         7                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

         9       Results.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 40.

        11                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        12       bill is passed.

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        14       1024, by Senator Wright, Senate Bill Number

        15       3810, State Administrative Procedure Act.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

        17       the last section.

        18                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        19       act shall take effect immediately.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

        21       the roll.

        22                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:











                                                             
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         1       Results.

         2                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 40.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

         4       bill is passed.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         6       1025, by Senator Wright, Senate Bill Number

         7       3813A, State Administrative Procedure Act.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Read

         9       the last section.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        11       act shall take effect immediately.

        12                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  Call

        13       the roll.

        14                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        15                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:

        16       Results.

        17                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 40.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT PADAVAN:  The

        19       bill is passed.

        20                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        21       1027, by Senator Wright, Senate Bill Number

        22       4107, an act to amend the State Administrative

        23       Procedure Act.











                                                             
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         1                      (Whereupon, Senator Volker was in

         2       the chair. )

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         4       the last section.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         6       act shall take effect immediately.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

         8       the roll.

         9                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 40.

        11                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        12       bill is passed.

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        14       1028, by Senator Spano, Senate Bill Number

        15       4229A, amends Chapter 409 of the Laws of 1991.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        17       the last section.

        18                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        19       act shall take effect immediately.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        21       the roll.

        22                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        23                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 42.











                                                             
4656

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         2       bill is passed.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         4       1029, substituted earlier today, by member of

         5       the Assembly Destito, Assembly Bill Number

         6       6101A, an act to amend the Mental Hygiene Law.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         8       the last section.

         9                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        10       act shall take effect immediately.

        11                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        12       the roll.

        13                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        14                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 43.

        15                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        16       bill is passed.

        17                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        18       1030, by Senator Saland.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        20       bill aside.

        21                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        22       1032, by Senator Saland, Senate Bill Number

        23       4866, an act to amend the Family Court Act.











                                                             
4657

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         2       the last section.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         4       act shall take effect immediately.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

         6       the roll.

         7                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         8                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 46.

         9                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        10       bill is passed.

        11                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        12       1034, by Senator LaValle.

        13                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        15       bill aside.

        16                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        17       1035, substituted earlier today, by the Assembly

        18       Committee on Rules, Assembly Bill Number 7704A,

        19       an act to amend the Civil Service Law.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        21       the last section.

        22                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        23       act shall take effect immediately.











                                                             
4658

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

         2       the roll.

         3                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         4                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 46.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         6       bill is passed.

         7                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         8       1037, by Senator Johnson, Senate Bill Number

         9       5073.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        11       bill aside.

        12                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        13       1038, by Senator Padavan, Senate Bill Number

        14       5090, Not-for-profit Corporation Law.

        15                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        16       the last section.

        17                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        18       act shall take effect immediately.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        20       the roll.

        21                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        22                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 49.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The











                                                             
4659

         1       bill is passed.

         2                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         3       1039, substituted earlier today, by member of

         4       the Assembly Murtaugh, Assembly Bill Number 353,

         5       an act to amend the Mental Hygiene Law.

         6                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         7       the last section.

         8                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         9       act shall take effect immediately.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        11       the roll.

        12                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 49.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        15       bill is passed.

        16                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        17       1040, by Senator Saland, Senate Bill Number

        18       5374, an act to amend the General City Law.

        19                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        21       bill aside.

        22                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        23       1041, by Senator Volker.











                                                             
4660

         1                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

         3       bill aside.

         4                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         5       1042, by Senator Holland, Senate Bill Number

         6       5421A, direct the Commissioner of Social

         7       Services to convene a work group.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         9       the last section.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        11       act shall take effect immediately.

        12                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        13       the roll.

        14                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        15                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 49.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        17       bill is passed.

        18                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        19       1043, by Senator Spano, Senate Bill Number

        20       5467A, amends Chapter 318 of the Laws of 1991,

        21       amending the Mental Hygiene Law.

        22                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        23       the last section.











                                                             
4661

         1                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         2       act shall take effect immediately.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

         4       the roll.

         5                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         6                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 49.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         8       bill is passed.

         9                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        10       1044, by Senator Wright.

        11                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can we have one

        12       day on that, please?

        13                      SENATOR WRIGHT:  One day, okay.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        15       Wright agrees.  Lay the bill aside for the day.

        16                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Mr.

        17       President.  May I have unanimous consent to be

        18       recorded in the negative on Calendar 1024,

        19       please?

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Without

        21       objection, Senator Leichter in the negative on

        22       Calendar 1024.

        23                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number











                                                             
4662

         1       1045, by Senator Wright, Senate Bill Number

         2       5474, an act to amend the Executive Law.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         4       the last section.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         6       act shall take effect immediately.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

         8       the roll.

         9                      (The Secretary called the roll.)

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 49.

        11                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        12       bill is passed.

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        14       1046, by Senator Spano, Senate Bill Number

        15       5512A, an act to amend the Mental Hygiene Law.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        17       the last section.

        18                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        19       act shall take effect immediately.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        21       the roll.

        22                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        23                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 49.











                                                             
4663

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         2       bill is passed.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         4       1047, by Senator Larkin.

         5                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

         6                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

         7       bill aside.

         8                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         9       1048, by Senator Trunzo, Senate Bill Number

        10       5669, amends Chapter 738 of the Laws of 1988,

        11       amending the Administrative Code of the city of

        12       New York.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        14       the last section.

        15                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        16       act shall take effect immediately.

        17                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        18       the roll.

        19                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        20                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 49.

        21                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        22       bill is passed.

        23                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number











                                                             
4664

         1       1049, by Senator Larkin.

         2                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

         4       bill aside.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         6       1050, by Senator Spano.

         7                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

         9       bill aside.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        11       1051, by Senator Sears.

        12                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        14       bill aside.

        15                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        16       1054, by Senator Masiello, Senate Bill Number

        17       5775, an act to amend the General City Law.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        19       the last section.

        20                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        21       act shall take effect immediately.

        22                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        23       the roll.











                                                             
4665

         1                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         2                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 50.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         4       bill is passed.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         6       1056, by Senator Present, Senate Bill Number -

         7                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay it

         9       aside.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        11       1057, by Senator Libous, Senate Bill Number -

        12                      SENATOR GOLD:  Lay it aside.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        14       bill aside.

        15                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        16       1058, by Senator Maltese, Senate Bill Number

        17       5793, an act to amend the Administrative Code of

        18       the city of New York.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        20       the last section.

        21                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        22       act shall take effect immediately.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call











                                                             
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         1       the roll.

         2                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 49, nays 1.

         4       Senator Gold recorded in the negative.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         6       bill is passed.

         7                      Senator Present, that's the first

         8       time around.

         9                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Mr. President,

        10       let's proceed with the controversial calendar,

        11       please.

        12                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Clerk

        13       will read.

        14                      THE SECRETARY:  On page 6,

        15       Calendar Number 229, by Senator Stafford, Senate

        16       Bill Number 2464A, authorize the Fort Ann

        17       Central School District to finance the

        18       accumulated deficit.

        19                      SENATOR GOLD:  May we lay it

        20       aside until Monday.

        21                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Temporarily lay

        22       it aside.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:











                                                             
4667

         1       Temporarily lay it aside.

         2                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         3       567, by Senator Seward, Senate Bill 4021A.

         4                      SENATOR GOLD:  May we lay it

         5       aside until Monday, please?

         6                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Lay it aside

         7       for the day.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay it

         9       aside for the day.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        11       685, by Senator Lack, Senate Bill Number 4044,

        12       an act to amend the Public Authorities Law.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        14       the last section.

        15                      SENATOR GOLD:  Hold on for one

        16       second. I think the train made it.

        17                      SENATOR LACK:  Oh, the train made

        18       it? It's on time.

        19                      SENATOR GOLD:  Senator Lack.

        20                      SENATOR LACK:  Senator Gold.

        21                      SENATOR GOLD:  Will you yield for

        22       a few questions?

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator











                                                             
4668

         1       Lack yields.

         2                      SENATOR LACK: Senator, any time.

         3                      SENATOR GOLD:  Senator, I have

         4       just been given a list of questions and a draft

         5       memo in opposition by the MTA, and I have a

         6       great respect for your time, and I really

         7       wouldn't want to get into a situation where, you

         8       know, I spend your time on the floor educating

         9       myself on this and wasting your time.  You have

        10       been very gracious.

        11                      And my question is would you mind

        12       putting it over for a day? At that point we'll

        13       know what we're going to do.

        14                      SENATOR LACK:  I understand we

        15       have both been left at the station, Senator

        16       Gold, and I have no problem putting this over

        17       until Monday.  I have been waiting for years for

        18       electrification.  I can wait until next Monday

        19       on this issue, as well.

        20                      SENATOR GOLD:  Thank you.

        21                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay it

        22       aside for the day for the late train.

        23                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number











                                                             
4669

         1       770, by Senator Lack, Senate number 1639, an act

         2       to amend the Workers' Compensation Law.

         3                      SENATOR STACHOWSKI:  May we have

         4       one day?

         5                      SENATOR LACK:  At Senator

         6       Stachowski's request, we'll lay it aside for one

         7       day.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

         9       bill aside for one day.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        11       957, by Senator Levy, Senate Bill Number 5552B,

        12       an act to amend the Election Law.

        13                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Explanation.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:

        15       Explanation requested by Senator Leichter.

        16                      SENATOR LEVY:  Mr. President, let

        17       me just say at the outset that over the past

        18       couple of weeks, I have had -- let me rephrase

        19       it.  A couple of weeks ago, I had a conversation

        20       with Senator Halperin, and we agreed that there

        21       would be a chapter amendment to this bill that

        22       relates specifically to prospectively putting

        23       ballot questions in plain language to make those











                                                             
4670

         1       ballot questions more understandable to the

         2       public that come to a polling place to vote in

         3       the general election and, historically, have had

         4       trouble understanding and knowing what the

         5       ballot question was about, and there has been a

         6       breakdown of communications that related to

         7       implementing that chapter amendment, and I take

         8       the responsibility for 99.9 percent of it, but

         9       we are going to pursue the concept that

        10       underlies what Senator Halperin wants to do in

        11       an amendment that he is going to offer.

        12                      I have spoken to Senator

        13       Nozzolio.  He is supportive of the concept, and

        14       collectively we're going to work on that chapter

        15       amendment because it's something that we should

        16       do and put into law.  I would say that as it

        17       relates to this chapter amendment when we work

        18       on it, I don't know whether we can have in place

        19       the local governmental part of the chapter

        20       amendment for this general election and be able

        21       to reach it.  So I think if and when we work out

        22       an agreeable chapter amendment, the local

        23       governmental provisions should be after this











                                                             
4671

         1       year's general election.

         2                      So, Senator Leichter, what this

         3       bill does is, the bill that is before us today

         4       it rectifies a mistake that we made on April the

         5       4th and that mistake was to eliminate one of the

         6       two mandatory printings of ballot questions on

         7       election day in connection with the general

         8       election.  The provisions of the Fair Campaign

         9       Code that we eliminated on April the 4th, that

        10       is not in this bill.

        11                      And let me just say for the

        12       record, Senator Leichter, that we have not

        13       published the Fair Campaign Practices Code since

        14       1975 when the Court of Appeals declared almost

        15       all of that act unconstitutional.  So,

        16       basically, all this bill does is to say that

        17       we're going back to the law the way it was on

        18       April the 3rd, which would require ballot

        19       questions to be printed twice, once each in the

        20       two weeks before the general election.

        21                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        22       the last section.

        23                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Mr.











                                                             
4672

         1       President.

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         3       Leichter, on the bill.

         4                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Okay.  Senator

         5       Levy, would you be so good as to yield?

         6                      SENATOR LEVY:  Yes, certainly.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         8       Levy will yield.

         9                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, since

        10       you are substantially increasing the publication

        11       of these constitutional amendments or

        12       propositions, can you tell us what the costs

        13       will be to the state of New York?

        14                      SENATOR LEVY:  Number one, we are

        15       not increasing -- we are not increasing what we

        16       have done in prior years.  We are just

        17       rectifying the mistake that we made on April the

        18       4th.  The fiscal note is $81,000, but again, I

        19       continue to doubt that the amount is that high

        20       based upon the information that I have from the

        21       Board of Elections.

        22                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, I'm

        23       sorry.  I fail to understand your answer.  You











                                                             
4673

         1       say that you are not increasing the number of

         2       publications.

         3                      SENATOR LEVY:  No, no, we are

         4       increasing the numbers.  We are going back to

         5       what the law was on April the 3rd before we made

         6       a mistake and passed a law eliminating the

         7       second time printing of ballot questions, and

         8       the numbers that we have from the state Board of

         9       Elections are that the postage costs are a

        10       little bit in excess of $20,000, and we get a

        11       number that gives us an $81,000 cost based upon

        12       the services of existing personnel who continue

        13       to work for the state Board of Elections.  I

        14       will accept the $81,000, but I certainly don't

        15       think that, in effect, that we're going to have

        16       an additional $81,000 as it's appropriated in

        17       the bill.

        18                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, if

        19       you would be so good as to continue to yield.  I

        20       don't accept your characterization that we made

        21       a mistake.  I think it was -- part of the budget

        22       resolution was an effort to decrease the

        23       spending in this particular respect, and that's











                                                             
4674

         1       what we did.  Now you are saying you think it

         2       was a mistake.  I don't even know whether you

         3       voted against it but that doesn't matter.

         4       You're certainly -

         5                      SENATOR LEVY:  I voted for it.

         6                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Okay.  You are

         7       certainly entitled now to say I think it's

         8       important to have that publication.  But I can't

         9       understand the figure.  If I read this

        10       correctly, you are going to require publication

        11       in two newspapers published in each county.

        12       Right?

        13                      SENATOR LEVY:  That's what the

        14       law was on April the 3rd.

        15                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  I understand.

        16       But what is the effect of having two newspapers

        17       in each of the 62 counties of the state rather

        18       than just having one?

        19                      SENATOR LEVY:  The fiscal note is

        20       $80,000, but my evaluation of the statistical

        21       information and data we receive, and I had to

        22       abide by the fiscal note, I do not agree that it

        23       will be -- it will be $80,000, but I took the











                                                             
4675

         1       information that was given to me and put it in

         2       the fiscal note.

         3                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, where

         4       did you get that fiscal note? Was it from the

         5       Board of Elections?

         6                      SENATOR LEVY:  And the Finance

         7       Committee where we regularly get our information

         8       from, Senator.

         9                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, with

        10       all due respect, I cannot believe that that

        11       figure is correct.  If you consider the cost of

        12       advertising in newspapers throughout the state

        13       and while you may not be required in every

        14       instance to -- well, I guess you are.

        15                      SENATOR LEVY:  That's the

        16       information that we were given.  It comes to us

        17       from the state Board of Elections and the

        18       Finance Committee, and we are told that the

        19       number reaches $80,000 because calculated into

        20       it are the services of existing state employees

        21       in doing this job.  I can only tell you what I

        22       was given.

        23                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, maybe











                                                             
4676

         1       I'm missing something.  When we publish or

         2       advertise, if you will, a constitutional

         3       proposition in the newspaper, do we pay for

         4       that?

         5                      SENATOR LEVY:  Certainly, yes.

         6                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  And you're

         7       telling me that I can double the number of

         8       newspapers throughout the state and it's only

         9       going to cost $88,000.

        10                      SENATOR LEVY:  I'm telling you

        11       what I was told us, and that is the basis of the

        12       fiscal note.

        13                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, I

        14       accept what you say as to how this came to be

        15       part of the bill.  Just very briefly.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        17       Leichter, on the bill.

        18                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  I think all of

        19       us know what the cost of advertising is.  For

        20       instance, in the city of New York if you are

        21       going to go to a paper of general circulation,

        22       as I assume you will -

        23                      SENATOR LEVY:  Will Senator











                                                             
4677

         1       yield?

         2                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Yes.

         3                      SENATOR LEVY:  Senator Leichter,

         4       have you checked yourself? And are you in a

         5       position to tell me on this floor that you know

         6       as a matter of fact based on your inquiry that

         7       this note is not accurate, that it's going to

         8       cost more?

         9                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, I'm

        10       so sure that that note is incorrect because I

        11       have some experience, as I assume many of the

        12       members here, with the cost of advertising.  I

        13       occasionally become involved in the cost of

        14       putting a legal notice in the newspaper; and in

        15       New York City, it's exorbitant.  It's

        16       outrageous, and the notices for constitutional

        17       propositions could be much greater; and if you

        18       put it in a newspaper of general circulation,

        19       there is no way, Senator Levy, that that is only

        20       going to cost you $88,000 when you are doubling

        21       the number of newspapers.

        22                      But, Mr. President, on the bill.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator











                                                             
4678

         1       Leichter.

         2                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  I accept that

         3       you put it in in good faith; that was the

         4       information that was given to you; but I think

         5       when we have something that flies in the face of

         6       our knowledge and our experience, I think we're

         7       justified in disregarding it.  I think the cost

         8       is going to be much greater.

         9                      Over and above that, my belief

        10       and my experience is that very few people read

        11       these propositions or constitutional amendments

        12       when they are put in newspapers.  It's just not

        13       an effective way to reach the voters.  I applaud

        14       the purpose and aim of this bill, which is, we

        15       want the most, well informed electorate that we

        16       possible can have.

        17                      But I don't think that this is a

        18       good way.  Usually, the print is so small that I

        19       think an eagle would have a difficulty in

        20       reading it.  I think the only aim and purpose of

        21       that frankly is to subsidize the newspapers of

        22       the state of New York; and while I grant that

        23       they serve a valuable purpose, on occasion, I











                                                             
4679

         1       don't think this is how we ought to be spending

         2       public monies.

         3                      We don't have much public monies

         4       around. I don't think that this achieves a

         5       valuable beneficial purpose, Senator Levy.  I

         6       would vote against it even if the sum was

         7       $88,000, but I submit to you it's going to be

         8       much more expensive than that.

         9                      SENATOR GOLD:  Mr. President.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        11       Gold, on the bill.

        12                      SENATOR GOLD:  Will Senator

        13       Leichter yield to a question?

        14                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Yes.

        15                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        16       Leichter yields.

        17                      SENATOR GOLD:  I notice some of

        18       the newspapers around the state from time to

        19       time make editorial comments on various things

        20       which they think is in the public interest. Is

        21       there anything in the law today which would

        22       prohibit a newspaper from printing this material

        23       now as a public service and not getting paid for











                                                             
4680

         1       it?

         2                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Absolutely

         3       nothing, Senator. And let me say while you point

         4       out the editorial policies, I know as I read the

         5       editorials throughout the state, they say reduce

         6       government spending, and I want to take them at

         7       their word as regards this bill, and I think we

         8       ought to heed the newspapers to that respect.

         9       And I'm glad, Senator Gold, you reminded us of

        10       their editorial policy.  We may not agree with

        11       it all the time, but I think in this instance

        12       they are correct.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        14       Connor.

        15                      SENATOR CONNOR:  Thank you, Mr.

        16       President.  Mr. President, this bill really

        17       touches on an area that's been of some concern

        18       to me, and that is, in general, how we spend our

        19       money on election-related matters and how we

        20       fund the state Board of Elections, and the press

        21       is very quick to run off and criticize the

        22       various boards of elections and the state Board

        23       of Elections when they think that they are not











                                                             
4681

         1       employing the most modern and technically

         2       up-to-date methods of administering the

         3       elections.

         4                      To that extent, the criticism is

         5       right, but it's not free.  There is no free

         6       lunch.  We don't fund the state Board of

         7       Elections adequately to do all the types of

         8       computerization and cross-checks and outreach

         9       that we say we like them to do.

        10                      Last fiscal year, they lost a

        11       couple of important positions because of budget

        12       deliberations made here and that halted their

        13       computerization process.  Indeed, I have read

        14       editorials and talked to some people who were

        15       very suspicious of the motives of the

        16       legislative, collectively, and the Governor in

        17       not funding these programs that would allow

        18       sufficient personnel and equipment to cross

        19       check campaign contributions, to computerize,

        20       and so on.

        21                      I don't think that's the case.  I

        22       think it's one of benign neglect.  I think we

        23       tend to only pay attention to agencies like the











                                                             
4682

         1       Board of Elections when an election is upon us.

         2       I think that's true with the executive, as well,

         3       and it's not just on the state level.  I have

         4       seen the same phenomenon in New York City, where

         5       the city Board of Elections is, by and large,

         6       starved until the every four-year mayoral cycle

         7       comes around, and then all of a sudden, extra

         8       resources are found because, "Gee, we want to

         9       run a smooth election."

        10                      That's no way to run these

        11       agencies, and it's no way to run these agencies

        12       to insist on restoring antiquated, outmoded

        13       requirements.  The original publication

        14       requirement is 154 years old, the predecessor to

        15       this.  It was no mistake that the budget

        16       eliminated this $80,000 expenditure on the part

        17       of the state Board of Elections.  It was done as

        18       a conscious deliberate saving.

        19                      I think if we're going to

        20       modernize the whole system, we have to put our

        21       money where our mouth is and give them the money

        22       to do the appropriate modern technology they

        23       need, and we have to stop forcing them to waste











                                                             
4683

         1       money on doing things that made a lot of sense

         2       in New York 100 years or 150 years ago.

         3                      A prior version of this bill in

         4       fact talked about how you had to give the ad to

         5       both Democrat and Republican newspapers, as if

         6       newspapers are enrolled voters. That's the

         7       language that was recently deleted in the budget

         8       and the original version of Senator Levy's bill

         9       was going to restore; that it had to be placed

        10       in two papers in each county, the papers being

        11       of different political affiliation.  Maybe there

        12       are newspapers that openly proclaim today in the

        13       state of New York that they are true blue

        14       Democrats or Republicans, but I doubt it.

        15                      It just gives you an idea of how

        16       antiquated this provision was.  Once upon a time

        17       150 years ago, of course, newspapers were

        18       partisan, and it's before really the development

        19       of modern so-called objective reporting, which

        20       at least in style is objective if not sometimes

        21        -- if sometimes people quibble about whether or

        22       not it's really so.

        23                      So I think this is a step











                                                             
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         1       backward.  Now who wants this? Oh, surprise.

         2       The New York Press Association and the New York

         3       Newspaper Publishers Association want this, and

         4       as I read the Press Association memo, it's very

         5       clear to me they are concerned in general with

         6       legal advertising.  This I understand can be a

         7       big item, and I don't mean this kind of ad in

         8       this bill, but in general: Publication of

         9       summonses and so on, other sorts of notices

        10       about bidding, and so on and so forth.

        11                      Well, you know, those kind of

        12       notices are generally addressed to a specific

        13       audience.  For example, bidding requests and so

        14       on, auction notices, and in fact people in those

        15       businesses to whom that's addressed often have

        16       clipping services or whatever to pick up on

        17       these things, and it does serve a useful

        18       purpose; but in this case, there are much better

        19       ways to reach voters with information about

        20       proposed amendments in language they can

        21       understand.

        22                      Some good government groups have

        23       done it.  There has been an attempt to do it in











                                                             
4685

         1       New York City with a voters manual.  There are

         2       other modern appropriate ways to do this.  Many

         3       members, indeed, will put a balanced pros and

         4       cons about amendments in their news letters.

         5                      I suggest that's a much more

         6       effective way of informing voters than small

         7       printed classified adds.  I don't care who wants

         8       this bill, it is clear to me and I talked to

         9       people in the Assembly, it's a one-house bill.

        10       I have been told it's a one-house bill.

        11       Frankly, it's pork barrel for the press, and we

        12       all know on the other side, not the advertising

        13       sales side of the newspaper or the publisher

        14       business column, but when you get to the

        15       editorial side, generally the press in this

        16       state is highly suspect and critical in their

        17       editorials of pork barrel.  Well, I guess one

        18       person's pork is somebody else's bacon, and here

        19       we see what I would describe as out and out

        20       budget busting because this $80,000 was not in

        21       the original budget.

        22                      It's pork barrel legislation, and

        23       I'm against it, Mr. President.











                                                             
4686

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         2       Dollinger.

         3                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  Mr.

         4       Chairman.   Will the sponsor yield to a

         5       question?

         6                      SENATOR LEVY:  Certainly.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         8       Levy yields.

         9                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  Senator, I'm

        10       just reading the text of the bill and the prior

        11       drafts.  I just have a question on what papers

        12       this would be published in.  As I understand it,

        13       the current law provides that it would be

        14       published in one paper of general circulation?

        15       Is that correct? The current law provides that,

        16       and this bill would provide just two newspapers

        17       but drops the requirement there be general

        18       circulation.  Is that correct?

        19                      SENATOR LEVY:  Yes.

        20                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  Why is that

        21       provision of general circulation dropped from

        22       the new statute?

        23                      SENATOR LEVY:  Senator, we











                                                             
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         1       believe that with this legislation that the

         2       publishing of the notices should be in two

         3       newspapers, but, certainly, I don't know whether

         4       you were here when Senator Halperin and I -

         5       Senator Halperin actually listened and nodded

         6       his head.  There's going to be a chapter

         7       amendment.  We'll address that issue in the

         8       chapter amendment to the bill and go back to

         9       that provision of the earlier version that

        10       related to newspapers of general circulation.

        11                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  That was my

        12       concern that the purpose of this is to widely

        13       broadcast this and we dropped it.

        14                      SENATOR LEVY:  It will be in the

        15       chapter amendment.

        16                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  I just have

        17       one comment on the bill, Mr. President.  I'm

        18       going to vote in favor of this bill when we

        19       finally get the chapter amendment to work this

        20       out.

        21                      My only question is the question

        22       of election law reform, and I hope that this is

        23       the first bill that starts to march us down the











                                                             
4688

         1       road that I hope will be a whole series of items

         2       that we'll see before the end of this session;

         3       that we'll look at campaign financing; that

         4       we'll look at ballot access; and that we'll see

         5       from the majority bills that will really

         6       effectuate true election reform; so that not

         7       only will we tell the people what they've got

         8       the option to vote on but we'll make it easier

         9       for them to vote, we'll make it easier for

        10       people to get into the political process, we'll

        11       make it easier for them to finance campaigns

        12       against incumbents or whomever, and that we will

        13       see a process that reflects the same democratic

        14       spirit, the same encouragement of the democratic

        15       spirit that this proposal moves in a direction

        16       of accomplishing, and I look forward to those

        17       hopefully before the end of this session.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        19       Halperin.

        20                      SENATOR HALPERIN:  Mr.

        21       President.  Senator Levy alluded to the fact

        22       that after he made a statement, I nodded my

        23       head, so I felt I should do something more than











                                                             
4689

         1       that, which I had intended to do before the

         2       other speakers rose.

         3                      Senator Levy and I just had a

         4       discussion shortly before the bill was brought

         5       up; and as he indicated, there was some

         6       misunderstandings between our staffs as to what

         7       we intend to do, and I think we now both agree

         8       that the approach we like to adopt in a chapter

         9       amendment is to require that somewhere, somehow

        10       when we pass a resolution providing for a ballot

        11       proposition that the abstract language, the

        12       language that will actually appear on the

        13       ballot, should be part of that legislation so

        14       that we understand when we vote what it is we

        15       are putting onto the ballot, and that that

        16       language be in clear, understandable, concise

        17       language.

        18                      The reason I say this is because

        19       all too often we vote for various propositions.

        20       If one is an attorney and were to read the

        21       proposition they might be able to understand

        22       what it said, but the average person going into

        23       the polling place and having a relatively short











                                                             
4690

         1       period of time to read it, unless they happen to

         2       have read it ahead of time perhaps in a

         3       newspaper publication or elsewhere, really is at

         4       a great disadvantage in trying to understand the

         5       contorted language that somehow is often brought

         6       up as the alleged description of the

         7       proposition.

         8                      So this way we as legislators

         9       will take it upon ourselves to come up with

        10       language which we believe expresses properly to

        11       the public that which we are voting on, and with

        12       that understanding in mind, that we will be

        13       moving forward with that approach -- and now I

        14       see Senator Levy nodding his head -- I will be

        15       voting in favor of this legislation and

        16       withdrawing the amendment that I had filed at

        17       the desk.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        19       Dollinger.

        20                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  Mr.

        21       President.  Senator Halperin brings up a point

        22       that reminds me when we did a bill from Senator

        23       Farley which talked about the publication of











                                                             
4691

         1       information about the effect of bond issues, and

         2       we were going to publicize the interest rate

         3       assumption of the total cost of the repayment

         4       cost, something similar to the mortgage

         5       disclosure documents that you have in private

         6       business transaction, we would do that as part

         7       of the disclosure of bond issues that require

         8       voter approval.  The text of the amendment and

         9       the text of the calculation would all be

        10       included as part of that.

        11                      I think that spirit that creates

        12       nodding heads that suggest that we've got an

        13       amendment on the need to get more information

        14       out is the right direction to go.  We did it

        15       with Senator Farley's bill.  We had a discussion

        16       at that time.

        17                      I think the more information that

        18       we get out, the better off we are.  As I said

        19       before, I hope this is the beginning step in a

        20       continuing process, look at the electoral

        21       process, making it more accessible and more

        22       understandable.

        23                      I'll nod my head in agreement as











                                                             
4692

         1       well.

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Me,

         3       too.  Read the last section.

         4                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         5       act shall take effect immediately.

         6                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

         7       the roll.

         8                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         9                      THE SECRETARY:  Those recorded in

        10       the negative on Calendar Number 957 are Senators

        11       Connor, Cook, DeFrancisco, Gold, Holland,

        12       Leichter, Libous, Ohrenstein and Wright, also

        13       Senator Galiber, also Senator Smith.  Ayes -

        14       also Senator Daly in the negative, also Senator

        15       Saland.  Ayes 42, nays 13.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        17       bill is passed.

        18                      Senator Bruno.

        19                      SENATOR BRUNO:  Mr. President.  I

        20       would like to request unanimous consent to be

        21       voted in the negative on Senate 1641B, Calendar

        22       Number 771.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Without











                                                             
4693

         1       objection, Senator Bruno on 771 in the negative.

         2                      Senator Saland.

         3                      SENATOR SALAND:  Mr. President.

         4       I too would like unanimous consent to be

         5       recorded in the negative on that same bill.

         6       Calendar 771, Senate 1641B.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Without

         8       objection, Senator Saland in the negative on

         9       771.

        10                      Senator Galiber.

        11                      SENATOR GALIBER:  Yes, Mr.

        12       President.  Can I have unanimous consent to be

        13       recorded in the negative on Calendar Number

        14       1021.

        15                      SENATOR VOLKER:  Senator Galiber

        16       without consent on 1021.

        17                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        18       1003, by Senator Stafford, Senate Bill Number

        19       4822, an act to amend the Town Law.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        21       the last section.

        22                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        23       act shall take effect immediately.











                                                             
4694

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

         2       the roll.

         3                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         4                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 55.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         6       bill is passed.

         7                      Senator Larkin.

         8                      SENATOR LARKIN:  Mr. President, I

         9       would like to request unanimous consent to be

        10       recorded in the negative on Senate Bill 1641B,

        11       Calendar 771.

        12                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: Without

        13       objection, Senator Larkin in the negative on

        14       771.

        15                      Senator Cook.

        16                      SENATOR COOK:  Same request,

        17       please.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        19       Cook in the negative, without objection, on 771.

        20                      SENATOR HOLLAND:  Same request.

        21                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        22       Holland.

        23                      SENATOR HOLLAND:  Same request,











                                                             
4695

         1       please.

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         3       Holland, without objection, in the negative on

         4       771.

         5                      Senator Sheffer.

         6                      SENATOR SHEFFER:  Mr. President,

         7       same request, please.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         9       Sheffer in the negative on Senate 771, without

        10       objection.

        11                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        12       1007, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Bill Number

        13       5758, amends chapter -

        14                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can we have one

        15       day on that, please?

        16                      SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:  Would

        17       Senator yield to a question?

        18                      SENATOR GOLD:  Yes, I will be

        19       glad to.

        20                      SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:  This was

        21       held for one day.  I don't know, is there

        22       something controversial, confusing or some

        23       information that I should be gathering for this











                                                             
4696

         1       particular bill?

         2                      SENATOR GOLD:  Yes.

         3                      SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:  What would

         4       that be?

         5                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can we have one

         6       day?

         7                      SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:  Would you

         8       please provide me with that before Monday?

         9                      SENATOR GOLD:  Yes.

        10                      SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:  Because I

        11       would be interested to see if a question can be

        12       framed about this bill.

        13                      SENATOR GOLD:  Yes.

        14                      SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:  Okay.

        15       Thank you.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        17       bill is laid aside for the day.

        18                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        19       1012, by Senator Saland.

        20                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can we have one

        21       day on this?

        22                      SENATOR SALAND:  Yes, Mr.

        23       President.











                                                             
4697

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         2       bill is laid aside for the day.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         4       1013, by Senator Holland, Senate Bill Number

         5       736, an act to amend the Social Services Law.

         6                      SENATOR GOLD:  May we have one

         7       day?

         8                      SENATOR HOLLAND:  Lay it aside

         9       for the day.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        11       bill aside for the day at the request of the

        12       sponsor.

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar 1014, by

        14       Senator Pataki, Senate Bill Number 2080, Real

        15       Property Tax Law.

        16                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can we have one

        17       day on this?

        18                      SENATOR PATAKI:  Yes.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        20       bill aside for the day.

        21                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        22       1015, by Senator Tully, Senate Bill Number 2428,

        23       an act to amend the General Municipal Law.











                                                             
4698

         1                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can I have one day

         2       on this, please, Senator Tully.

         3                      SENATOR TULLY:  No objection.

         4                      SENATOR VOLKER:  Lay the bill

         5       aside for the day.

         6                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         7       1016, by Senator Kuhl, Senate Bill Number 2454,

         8       an act to amend the Executive Law.

         9                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Lay it aside.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        11       bill aside.

        12                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        13       1017, by Senator Saland, Senate Bill Number

        14       2699A, an act to amend the Family Court Act, in

        15       relation to medical examination.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        17       the last section.

        18                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        19       act shall take effect immediately.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        21       the roll.

        22                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        23                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 55.











                                                             
4699

         1                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         2       bill is passed.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         4       1018, by Senator Cook, Senate Bill Number 2970,

         5       State Administrative Procedure Act.

         6                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  I have no

         7       problem.

         8                      SENATOR GOLD:  Last section.

         9                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        10       the last section.

        11                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        12       act shall take effect immediately.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        14       the roll.

        15                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        16                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 55.

        17                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        18       bill is passed.

        19                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        20       1020, by Senator Volker, Senate Bill Number

        21       3573.

        22                      SENATOR GOLD:  One day?

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the











                                                             
4700

         1       bill aside for the day.

         2                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         3       1022, by Senator Wright, Senate Bill Number

         4       3806A, State Administrative Procedure Act.

         5                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Explanation.

         6                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:

         7       Explanation requested by Senator Leichter.

         8                      SENATOR WRIGHT:  Mr. President.

         9       The bill provides for the first time a petition

        10       procedure for changing the administrative rules

        11       that an agency establishes. By statute, we

        12       establish formal criteria to be questioned and a

        13       formal procedure by which to petition and a

        14       45-day response period.  It is our belief that

        15       this will remedy a number of issues that have

        16       been raised by the regulated community as they

        17       can go back and review the various rules and

        18       regulations, and it also will give us an

        19       opportunity to avoid costly litigation.

        20                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Mr.

        21       President.  Will Senator Wright yield, please?

        22                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        23       Wright, will you yield?











                                                             
4701

         1                      SENATOR WRIGHT:  I will, Mr.

         2       President.

         3                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, I

         4       believe a similar bill passed last year, but I

         5       also believe that this bill has some new

         6       language in it. Am I correct? And I specifically

         7       refer to line 12, subdivision E.

         8                      SENATOR WRIGHT:  That's correct.

         9       There have been amendments made to the bill as

        10       we have had discussions with the Assembly, and

        11       we have an agreed to version that the amendments

        12       reflected.

        13                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Well, what is

        14       your understanding or interpretation of the

        15       language that's been added, which is that you

        16       can request a repeal of rules if they are

        17       duplicative of or inconsistent with other state

        18       or federal rules?

        19                      SENATOR WRIGHT:  That's a

        20       provision that was reflected in the original

        21       bill.  The amendments speak to line 8 (b) where

        22       language was changed and 11 (e) where language

        23       was deleted.











                                                             
4702

         1                      As it reflects to the issues of

         2       duplication, the intent, again, is to be

         3       consistent, much as we discussed before with

         4       federal statutes that we talked about.

         5                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, if

         6       you will continue to yield, please.

         7                      SENATOR WRIGHT:  Certainly.

         8                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  I thought we

         9       established that new language -- there may be

        10       other new language, but among the new language

        11       is subdivision E, which is that it's duplicative

        12       or inconsistent with other state or federal

        13       rules.  And it was that language that I wanted

        14       explained, because I'm not sure what you are

        15       trying to accomplish or exactly what the

        16       parameters are when you say that it's

        17       duplicative? I mean if it's exactly the same, I

        18       don't know whether it much matters.  But are you

        19       defining "duplicative" in a broader sense

        20       because it covers the same subject matter?

        21                      SENATOR WRIGHT:  Well, as you can

        22       relate in reviewing the bill, there is not a

        23       specific definition as it relates to duplicative











                                                             
4703

         1       or inconsistent.  It was included in the

         2       original version of the bill, and it simply has

         3       been renumbered or relettered in the amended

         4       version.

         5                      But the intent is where there is

         6       inconsistency or there are duplications within

         7       agencies that we not increase the added burden

         8       on the regulated community; and, therefore, that

         9       regulated community has the opportunity to raise

        10       that issue by virtue of petition and contend

        11       that in fact there is duplication or it is

        12       inconsistent with requirements they are

        13       currently meeting.

        14                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, let

        15       me just clarify what my concern is, and I'm not

        16       sure that it's grounds to vote against the

        17       bill. But if I understood you, the language that

        18       I'm concerned about you say was in the bill last

        19       year, but it had just been renumbered; or is

        20       this new language?

        21                      SENATOR WRIGHT:  The language

        22       that we're discussing was included in the

        23       original bill that we filed this year.  In the











                                                             
4704

         1       subsequent version that has been amended that is

         2       before us today, it had been renumbered.

         3                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  All right. I

         4       understand that.  So you agree with the point I

         5       make, and this is for the benefit of our

         6       colleagues because, last year, a similar bill

         7       passed 57-nothing, and some people will say,

         8       "Well, it passed last year by that vote, why

         9       shouldn't I vote for it again?" Just to point

        10       out that there is additional or different

        11       language in there from last year's bill.

        12                      SENATOR WRIGHT: That is correct.

        13                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  All right. Let

        14       me just, very briefly, if I may on the bill, and

        15       thank Senator Wright for his answer which is

        16       clear as always.

        17                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        18       Leichter, on the bill.

        19                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  But I am a bit

        20       concerned about the language that it's

        21       duplicative or inconsistent with other state or

        22       federal rules.  I have no problem if it's

        23       inconsistent; obviously, it shouldn't be in











                                                             
4705

         1       there.  I am a little concerned about

         2       duplicative because as Senator Wright and I

         3       debated earlier in the year, we had a bill which

         4       limited the state's rulemaking power in areas

         5       where the federal government has already issued

         6       rules and regulations, and it seemed to me that

         7       there could very well be instances where New

         8       York's own viewpoint or New York's own needs

         9       needed to be reflected in rules and

        10       regulations.

        11                      I would be concerned if

        12       duplicative were interpreted in such a manner

        13       that it would mean, well, we've got some rules

        14       in this area by the federal government and,

        15       therefore, the state should not enact rules in

        16       this area.  If it's duplicative in the sense

        17       that it's precisely the same, well, then I guess

        18       there is really no need for the state to have

        19       it.  May not matter very much whether you have

        20       both state or federal.

        21                      So I'm going to vote for it as I

        22       did last year even with this new language, but I

        23       just want to say for whatever worth it is, and











                                                             
4706

         1       it's probably worth nothing, my intent and my

         2       understanding is that duplicative would be very

         3       narrowly defined to mean that it is precisely

         4       the same.

         5                      Thank you.

         6                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         7       the last section.

         8                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         9       act shall take effect immediately.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

        11       the roll.

        12                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 55.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        15       bill is passed.

        16                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        17       1030, by Senator Saland, Senate Bill Number

        18       4274, amends Chapter 271 of the Laws of 1987.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

        20       the last section.

        21                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

        22       act shall take effect immediately.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call











                                                             
4707

         1       the roll.

         2                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 55.

         4                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

         5       bill is passed.

         6                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         7       1034, by Senator LaValle, Senate Bill Number

         8       4902A, amends Chapter 699 of the Laws of 1947.

         9                      SENATOR GOLD:  One day?

        10                      SENATOR LAVALLE:  Okay.

        11                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        12       bill is laid aside for the day.

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        14       1037, by Senator Johnson, Senate Bill Number

        15       5073, Environmental Conservation Law.

        16                      SENATOR GOLD:  Will Senator

        17       Johnson yield to a question?

        18                      SENATOR JOHNSON:  Yes, Senator.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        20       Johnson yields.

        21                      SENATOR GOLD:  Senator, there had

        22       been a notation that DEC opposed this, and I had

        23       nothing on it, but I have just been given











                                                             
4708

         1       something which says it's a draft -

         2                      Last section.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         4       the last section.

         5                      SENATOR GOLD:  Senator Leichter

         6       would like it laid over for a day.

         7                      SENATOR JOHNSON:  It's an

         8       innocuous bill. It's a name change. The only

         9       real change, Senator Leichter, if I can explain

        10       this to you is that presently three members are

        11       designated by the Majority Leader of this house

        12       and three by the Majority Leader of the other

        13       house. This changes that just two shall be named

        14       by the Majority Leader and one by the Minority

        15       Leader. That's a substantial change.

        16                      And also it provides that the

        17       chairman of Senate Finance, Senate Environmental

        18       Conservation, Assembly Ways and Means, Assembly

        19       Environmental Conservation, or their designees

        20       shall serve as ex officio nonvoting members.

        21                      Those are the only two

        22       substantial changes other than the name change,

        23       Senator.











                                                             
4709

         1                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  If Senator

         2       will yield.

         3                      SENATOR JOHNSON:  Yes.

         4                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         5       Johnson yields.

         6                      SENATOR LEICHTER:  Senator, I

         7       appreciate your comments.  What concerns me

         8       somewhat is we're setting up here an advisory

         9       board which is really in part a legislative

        10       appointed board to oversee, or not really to

        11       oversee but to make recommendations, consult,

        12       perform advisory functions, on an executive

        13       function.  I just have trouble mixing the

        14       legislative and executive functions in that

        15       way.  I have no problem with the oversight and

        16       overview that your committee, the Environmental

        17       Conservation Committee, may give.  But to take a

        18       particular function of DEC and say, in this

        19       instance, we're going to set up a body that's

        20       composed mainly of legislative appointees to

        21       oversee and to advise on that executive function

        22       just seems to be somewhat to go contrary to the

        23       grain of how we govern and the separation of











                                                             
4710

         1       power.

         2                      SENATOR JOHNSON:  Senator, I

         3       think you are aware that the Conservation Fund

         4       Advisory Council, the presently existing

         5       organization, has been in existence for almost a

         6       dozen years.  They give advice essentially for

         7       the department on spending of the funds which

         8       are raised through the hunting and fishing

         9       license fees, which people they essentially

        10       represent.

        11                      They work very effectively as

        12       advocates for the department in seeking fee

        13       increases, when necessary, to see that the money

        14       is there to perform the administrative and

        15       operational functions of the Department of Fish

        16       and Game.

        17                      So they are really advocates for

        18       the department and for the proper management of

        19       the resources, and we're only changing the name

        20       and, as I say, putting some minority

        21       appointments in.  Otherwise, there is really no

        22       change from the present operation, Senator.

        23                      I'm not trying to disarm you or











                                                             
4711

         1       or cuckold you or anything.  It's an accurate

         2       representation of what's being done here.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Read

         4       the last section.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Section 2.  This

         6       act shall take effect immediately.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Call

         8       the roll.

         9                      (The Secretary called the roll. )

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Ayes 55.

        11                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  The

        12       bill is passed.

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        14       1040, by Senator Saland, Senate Bill Number

        15       5374, General City Law.

        16                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can we have one

        17       day on this?

        18                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Lay it aside

        19       for the day.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        21       bill aside for the day.

        22                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        23       1041, by Senator Volker, Senate Bill Number











                                                             
4712

         1       5394.

         2                      SENATOR GOLD:  Until Monday.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  You can

         4       have Monday. Lay it aside for the day.

         5                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar 1047, by

         6       Senator Larkin, Senate Bill Number 5546A,

         7       village of Walden to lease certain parklands.

         8                      SENATOR GOLD:  One day.

         9                      SENATOR LARKIN:  Lay it aside one

        10       day at the request of -

        11                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        12       bill aside for Senator Gold's Monday.

        13                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        14       1049, by Senator Larkin, Senate Bill Number

        15       5745, authorize the payment of transportation

        16       aid.

        17                      SENATOR GOLD:  May we have one

        18       day?

        19                      SENATOR LARKIN:  To the gentleman

        20       from Queens, I will hold it over until Monday.

        21                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

        22       bill aside until Monday.

        23                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number











                                                             
4713

         1       1050, by Senator Spano, Senate Bill Number 5750,

         2       Mental Hygiene Law.

         3                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can we have one

         4       day on this?

         5                      SENATOR SPANO:  Lay it aside for

         6       the day.

         7                      SENATOR GOLD:  Thank you.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

         9       bill aside.

        10                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        11       1051, by Senator Sears, Senate Bill Number 5754,

        12       in relation to the payment of a judgment.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        14       Sears, explanation requested.  Explanation of

        15       your bill 1051.

        16                      SENATOR SEARS:  This is in

        17       relation to the payment of a judgment in the

        18       case of Jane Doe versus the state of New York.

        19       It provides that the termination upon death of

        20       plaintiff provisions of Article 50-B of the CPLR

        21       law shall not apply to a particular plaintiff.

        22                      The justification is this.  A

        23       nurse who was a resident of Rome, New York,











                                                             
4714

         1       became infected in 1988 with the HIV virus which

         2       causes AIDS.  She became infected while working

         3       in Faxton Hospital in Utica, New York, after

         4       struggling with a dying state prison inmate.  A

         5       needle dripping with the prisoner's HIV-positive

         6       blood jabbed her in the hand. The nurse who for

         7       obvious reasons wishes to remain anonymous is

         8       being referred to as Jane Doe.

         9                      She sued the state because the

        10       prison guards outside the inmate's hospital room

        11       refused to help in the struggle during which she

        12       was struck by the needle, and this refusal to

        13       give her assistance by the correction officers

        14       was done even after repeated pleas from herself

        15       and the doctors who were assisting her at the

        16       time she was jabbed with that needle.

        17                      The New York State Court of

        18       Claims awarded her $5.4 million last year for

        19       the negligent infliction of the HIV virus.

        20       Under Section 50-B of the CPLR law, Mrs. Doe's

        21       non-economic losses, specifically her future

        22       conscious pain and suffering, which was computed

        23       by the court to be $3.5 million for a projected











                                                             
4715

         1       5.5 year's life span shortened because of the

         2       defendant's conduct must be paid out over 5.5

         3       years.  The Court of Claims judge who decided

         4       her case ruled that she would live that period

         5       of time.

         6                      However, because of her advancing

         7       condition with the HIV virus, it is highly

         8       likely that she will die before the 5.5 year

         9       period.  Under Article 50-B of the CPLR law if

        10       Jane Doe dies before the five and a half year

        11       period set by the court, all payment for the

        12       conscious pain and suffering elements of the

        13       verdict will cease.  The law does not allow

        14       payments to continue to her family which

        15       includes a husband, three children whose ages

        16       run from 11 to 19.

        17                      Since the verdict of the Court of

        18       Claims, her attorney has appealed the decision

        19       requiring the state to pay the full amount of

        20       the settlement rather than have the payment

        21       spread out.  The Appellate Division in its

        22       findings increased the awards from $5.4 million

        23       to $6,079,550.  This increased award of











                                                             
4716

         1       $750,000 included wages lost by her premature

         2       death and the value of her services as a home

         3       maker.  The Appellate Division also dismissed

         4       the state's appeal which claimed the award to

         5       Jane Doe was excessive.  However, the Appellate

         6       Division did uphold the lower court ruling that

         7       the state could not be forced to pay the entire

         8       amount at once.

         9                      Her attorney indicates that her

        10       illness is progressing at a faster rate than

        11       previously thought.  Under state law, awards of

        12       more than $250,000 may be paid in installments.

        13       Because of testimony at her trial in the Court

        14       of Claims, the court based the time period of

        15       payment to her until her projected death in

        16       1997.

        17                      Unfortunately, since that trial

        18       last year, recent laboratory tests showed a

        19       marked decline in Jane Doe's immune system which

        20       caused the doctor who testified at her earlier

        21       trial to modify his prognosis and tragically

        22       predict Mrs. Doe's death in late 1995 or 1996.

        23       Based upon this prediction, Mrs. Doe's family











                                                             
4717

         1       would be penalized by state statute.

         2                      Thus the stark reality is that

         3       the state's negligence could cause Mrs. Doe's

         4       premature death, and the statutory law of the

         5       state will then allow the negligent party to

         6       benefit from the negligence.

         7                      This bill would exempt this

         8       particular plaintiff from the provisions of

         9       Article 50-B of the CPLR law that terminates

        10       non-economic loss payments upon the death of the

        11       claimant.  The Court of Claims already figured

        12       Mrs. Doe's non-economic loss for a shortened

        13       life span. To end the payment because she dies

        14       earlier than that, would have the defendant in

        15       this case saving money because of her earlier

        16       demise or, in effect, getting away with murder.

        17                      Mr. President, that's the

        18       explanation of the bill.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        20       Hoffmann.

        21                      SENATOR HOFFMANN:  Thank you, Mr.

        22       President.  I happen to represent Jane Doe, and

        23       I'm very familiar with this case as is Senator











                                                             
4718

         1       Sears and all of us who represent portions of

         2       the Mohawk Valley.

         3                      Unfortunately, people all over

         4       the United States are also familiar with this

         5       case because the state of New York has already

         6       been tried in the media.  "60 Minutes" and other

         7       television programs -- I believe it was "60

         8       Minutes" -- have done lengthy stories on this

         9       particular case, and I'm afraid the state of New

        10       York comes out looking like a very uncaring

        11       state government.  And it troubles me that we

        12       have to go to this length to make some changes.

        13                      For the record, I would like to

        14       just mention that I did introduce a slightly

        15       different bill.  The bill that I prepared would

        16       have structured the payments or rather allowed a

        17       judge in this unique situation to structure the

        18       payments taking into consideration both the

        19       anticipated life span of the individual affected

        20       as well as the state's ability to pay at the

        21       time.  I wanted to leave maximum discretion in

        22       the judiciary branch.  That bill, however, has

        23       not moved.











                                                             
4719

         1                      I am quite pleased to support

         2       this bill as the only choice before us today to

         3       rectify a terrible injustice.  I think we would

         4       be sending an extremely important message and a

         5       message of kindness and compassion not only to

         6       Jane Doe but to everyone working in health

         7       professions across this state, specifically to

         8       everyone working in the health field who comes

         9       in contact with inmates who are now brought with

        10       an alarming frequency into area hospitals

        11       ill-equipped to treat every inmate as though he

        12       or she is HIV positive when, in fact, many of

        13       them are HIV positive.

        14                      We need to be sure that there is

        15       a caring and compassionate medical community out

        16       there able to deal with HIV- infected inmates.

        17                      To do anything less than this

        18       bill to compensate Jane Doe and her family for

        19       the terrible tragedy that has befallen them, I

        20       think, would be a sign of enormous callousness

        21       by this chamber.

        22                      So I would urge all of my

        23       colleagues to please think very hard about the











                                                             
4720

         1       anguish experienced by Jane Doe and her family,

         2       and let's give Senator Sears' bill the respect

         3       that it deserves today.

         4                      SENATOR LEVY:  Senator Halperin.

         5                      SENATOR HALPERIN:  Mr.

         6       President.  I listened very carefully to the

         7       statement that Senator Sears made on behalf of

         8        -- I thought it was his constituent, but I

         9       guess it's Senator Hoffmann's constituent, and

        10       the compelling arguments as to why the

        11       individual or in this case the entity, the state

        12       of New York, which was in fact responsible for

        13       causing this injury will now benefit from an

        14       earlier death because of the nature of the

        15       structured awards.

        16                      And Senator Sears referred to

        17       this as a stark reality that the perpetrator of

        18       this deed was now going to benefit, and Senator

        19       Hoffmann referred to this as a unique

        20       situation.

        21                      Well, I'm sure that every

        22       situation is unique in its own way, but the

        23       stark reality is that under the provisions of











                                                             
4721

         1       this legislation which I believe was voted upon

         2        -- well, not believe -- I know was voted upon

         3       by a majority of the members of this house and

         4       the other house, that any individual who is

         5       injured and dies sooner rather than later will

         6       relieve the guilty party of the burden of paying

         7       additional monies.  So in this regard there is

         8       nothing really that unique about in situation.

         9                      What this legislation is seeking

        10       to do and in a very compelling manner based upon

        11       the facts of this case, is to override a statute

        12       which applies to anyone else who might be

        13       injured by the state of New York in this entire

        14       state, and I guess my question is, Senator

        15       Sears, what about all of the other individuals,

        16       perhaps a 12-year-old boy who was run over by a

        17       truck driven by an intoxicated state employee

        18       having his central portion of his body crushed,

        19       his spinal cord severed, paralyzed, living in

        20       pain and agony, and he ends up dying sooner

        21       rather than later as was anticipated in the

        22       structured award? Who is there to look out for

        23       that individual? Who is there to look out for











                                                             
4722

         1       every other individual that may be injured in

         2       this state? Are we going to be saying to

         3       individuals who fall under these circumstances

         4       that each and every time something happens and

         5       you are going to end up dying sooner rather than

         6       later that we go to the Legislature, who will

         7       second guess the courts?

         8                      I mean I have a problem with the

         9       structured award in the first place, and the

        10       irony is here that I don't think that the court

        11       should have been able to do this in the first

        12       place. But now that that is the case, how do you

        13       intend to distinguish between this case and many

        14       others that may be existing but are not known to

        15       us here in the Legislature?

        16                      SENATOR SEARS:  If I may respond,

        17       Senator.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        19       Sears.

        20                      SENATOR SEARS:  I understand, I

        21       think, although I can't recall which house I was

        22       in when the structured award system was passed,

        23       but it is -- my understanding is that it's the











                                                             
4723

         1       right of the defendant -- in this case it would

         2       be the Attorney General -- to call for a

         3       structured award.  There is really no recourse

         4       it is my understanding for the person who was

         5       wronged in this case.

         6                      And I guess I would have to say

         7       this, that many, many times in our job as

         8       legislators, we find situations that may be in

         9       statute but there has been a wrong done, at

        10       least in our opinions.  It may be a case of a

        11       person who has requested the assistance of one

        12       of us to straighten out a pension benefit that

        13       he might have been denied through no fault of

        14       his own.  So we pass special legislation to

        15       solve that problem.

        16                      In this particular instance -

        17       and I know there are a lot of other cases as you

        18       mention where certain things could happen to

        19       certain individuals and you say who is going to

        20       look out for them? I think it would be the

        21       choice of any Senator who represents a given

        22       district to make that determination if a

        23       particular situation would warrant some special











                                                             
4724

         1       legislation to solve a certain situation.  We've

         2       done it before.  I'm sure we will do it in the

         3       future.

         4                      In this case, I just feel that

         5       because of the nature of the negligence of the

         6       correction officers -- I don't know if they ever

         7       served any time or were ever penalized; but when

         8       they were asked I don't know how many times to

         9       "Come, please help us; we can't keep this

        10       prisoner under control," and they absolutely

        11       stood there and refused, that's one of the

        12       reasons the plaintiff in this case won the trial

        13       because there was no one there to give help

        14       under the law as they were required to do.

        15                      Because of the circumstances

        16       surrounding this individual's case, I think that

        17       special legislation in this case, which is not

        18       going to change the section of the law forever,

        19       it is one individual case, one individual law to

        20       affect one person -- I think in the future any

        21       situation similar would have to be based on the

        22       merits.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator











                                                             
4725

         1       Nozzolio.

         2                      SENATOR NOZZOLIO:  Thank you, Mr.

         3       President.  On the bill.

         4                      Mr. President, I support this

         5       measure, but ask this body to appreciate the

         6       broader issue which comes before it, and that's

         7       the issue of our correctional personnel, the men

         8       and women, the correction officers, the nurses,

         9       the other prison employees who must work on a

        10       daily basis under very stressful conditions, and

        11       those conditions are not only stressful as this

        12       measure points out, those conditions are

        13       life-threatening. As the issue of AIDS has

        14       escalated, as the issue of AIDS in prison has

        15       grown to crisis proportion, the issue of our

        16       prison employees receiving a death sentence

        17       because of the activities of inmates who are

        18       infected with HIV, who are infected with the

        19       AIDS virus, that our prison personnel are

        20       continually at risk.

        21                      And the response of this

        22       government has not been significant.  It has not

        23       been significant enough to protect those who are











                                                             
4726

         1       working behind the bars and walls; that this

         2       risk of our correctional personnel could be

         3       mitigated by a broader based testing and

         4       isolation of prison inmates and by severe or

         5       stricter precautions in favor of those

         6       correctional personnel.

         7                      I have had a bill in for a number

         8       of years in the Assembly -- I'm supporting it in

         9       the Senate -- that would make any inmate who

        10       attacks a prison personnel with their bodily

        11       fluids would in fact be guilty of attempted

        12       murder.

        13                      We have here not an attempted

        14       murder but a murder, a death that's resulted

        15       from this type of conduct.  I hope that this is

        16       the last case that will be ever before this body

        17       of such a circumstance, but it won't be the last

        18       case unless adequate precautions are taken on

        19       behalf of protecting correctional officers,

        20       correctional personnel, including the tragedy of

        21       the nurse that took place here in this case.

        22                      I support the bill.  I applaud

        23       its sponsors but hope that it will be a cause











                                                             
4727

         1       for a broader call to protecting those who work

         2       behind the walls.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         4       Gold.

         5                      SENATOR GOLD:  Mr. President.

         6       This is a terrible, terrible, terrible case and

         7       that's why I assume the plaintiff won.  I don't

         8       think that there is anybody who is raising

         9       questions about this procedure who is justifying

        10       anything the state did in terms of causing the

        11       injury, but I think we're getting lost.

        12                      And I just want to ask a couple

        13       of questions, Senator Sears, to find out whether

        14       or not we are lost or what's going on here.

        15                      I'm looking at your memo.  I

        16       understand that the economic loss was not

        17       structured.  Isn't that so? That the economic

        18       loss was paid.  That the structure deals with

        19       the non-economic loss.

        20                      SENATOR SEARS:  Deals with

        21       economic loss.

        22                      SENATOR GOLD:  No, with the non.

        23       Senator, if you will yield to a question?











                                                             
4728

         1                      SENATOR SEARS:  Yes.

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         3       yields.

         4                      SENATOR GOLD:  Your memo says

         5       specifically "her future conscious pain and

         6       suffering."  Now, I wish the woman would

         7       miraculously recover; but if she doesn't recover

         8       and she has, God forbid, only the one year -- on

         9       the other hand, she shouldn't have pain.  It's a

        10       crazy dichotomy.  But if she only has one year

        11       and she gets paid for the one year, she's

        12       basically been paid 100 cents on the dollar for

        13       all of her pain and suffering and for her

        14       economic loss; isn't that a fact?

        15                      SENATOR SEARS:  That's true.

        16                      SENATOR GOLD:  So, Senator, by

        17       following the statute and not passing your bill,

        18       the woman would get 100 cents on the dollar from

        19       the negligent party for all of the pain and

        20       suffering that was caused her.  The only things

        21       that would result by your bill, I believe, is

        22       that if she died earlier, God forbid, there

        23       would be money for the heirs or whatever.  And











                                                             
4729

         1       isn't it a fact that our statute doesn't provide

         2       for awards for the family? You may get money

         3       from 17,000 different ways and leave it to your

         4       family.  But isn't it a fact that we do not have

         5       a procedure here for giving awards to heirs?

         6                      SENATOR SEARS:  That may be the

         7       case that we don't have.  My bill would take

         8       care of that situation in this case, where we

         9       would be giving some monetary pain and suffering

        10       and loss of services of the housemaker, loss of

        11       a mother and so on.  That's the reason for the

        12       bill.

        13                      SENATOR GOLD:  Thank you,

        14       Senator.

        15                      Mr. President.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        17       Gold, on the bill.

        18                      SENATOR GOLD:  I know what's in

        19       the hearts and minds of many of the people here

        20       today.  We start out with a very tragic case,

        21       and nobody wants a finger pointed at them that

        22       the state of New York has no heart as was very

        23       well pointed out by Senator Hoffmann; and,











                                                             
4730

         1       certainly, as a member of the Legislature, I

         2       don't want people to say I have no heart.

         3                      But we really ought to understand

         4       what we are being asked to do in this bill.  We

         5       are not being asked in this bill to compensate

         6       the woman for her pain and suffering, et cetera,

         7       et cetera.  We're being asked to throw in a

         8       bonus which does not exist in the law.

         9                      A court has determined that she

        10       should get a certain amount of value for her

        11       "future pain and suffering," and if she lives

        12       these years, she gets compensated by the

        13       negligent party, the state of New York, for her

        14       pain and suffering.  That's what the structured

        15       award does.

        16                      Now that it appears according to

        17       Senator Sears, and I have no reason to doubt

        18       him, that she might not live for that 5.5 years,

        19       this law seeks to protect a balloon for heirs.

        20                      Now, the heirs are not the ones

        21       suffering in that sense.  Heirs suffer, but they

        22       suffer in every case where you have got

        23       negligence.











                                                             
4731

         1                      I know of a case where a

         2       youngster was hit by a car and is handicapped

         3       because of that, and it's the parents who day by

         4       day struggle to give that child a meaningful

         5       life; and if you give money to the child, yes,

         6       it's compensation but the parents get nothing.

         7       The family whose hearts go out every day get

         8       nothing.

         9                      So I think we ought to understand

        10       what we are doing.  This is not a situation

        11       where we are being asked to give compensation,

        12       just compensation to someone who is the subject

        13       of a tragedy.  The woman is the subject of the

        14       tragedy.  The state is wrong.  There is no

        15       justification.  But the bottom line of this bill

        16       if we pass it is that we are going far beyond

        17       that, and it raises significant questions as

        18       pointed out by Senator Halperin as to how we

        19       handle anyone who has been injured by the state

        20       of New York.

        21                      I want to close by making one

        22       point.  Senator Trunzo and I have been on the

        23       same side of an issue for about two or three











                                                             
4732

         1       years now, in trying to convince the Assembly to

         2       pass legislation that would open an avenue to

         3       all people who have been injured in their

         4       pension plan because of negligence or whatever

         5       so that they can all be helped.  We have been

         6       unsuccessful, and the result has been a

         7       bombardment of this Legislature with bills to

         8       correct each individual case.

         9                      I don't know if we were to pass

        10       this bill what now happens to our mail.  Because

        11       every one of you must have somebody living in

        12       the district who is injured in some way with a

        13       structured settlement; and how do you answer

        14       that person when they tell you that we have

        15       given this woman not only a structured

        16       settlement but a balloon or the effects of that

        17       balloon, and we're not going to do it for

        18       anybody else? And you are going to open that

        19       door.

        20                      This is a toughie, believe me.

        21       Whenever you deal with someone in a tragic

        22       situation like this, your heart goes out.  It's

        23       got to go out, but I don't know how responsibly











                                                             
4733

         1       we act in this way, and I know a lot of people

         2       are saying, "My God, Manny's right, but I'm not

         3       going to be the one to vote no on this one," or

         4       what have you.

         5                      But I think in some respects we

         6       have to judge what we do and understand what

         7       doors we open up.  I think that Senator Sears is

         8       to be commended.  He's a good man with a good

         9       heart.  There is no doubt about that.  But I

        10       think that this is a very very dangerous

        11       precedent. If it's one we want to start, if it's

        12       a door we want to open, then just don't be

        13       surprised if it stays open.

        14                      SENATOR CONNOR:  Mr. President.

        15                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        16       Dollinger is next.

        17                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  I will yield

        18       to Senator Connor since he is up.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        20       Dollinger yields to you, Senator Connor.

        21                      SENATOR CONNOR:  Thank you,

        22       Senator.

        23                      Mr. President.  As Senator Gold











                                                             
4734

         1       pointed out, this is a difficult vote, and I was

         2       first told about this bill yesterday before the

         3       Rules Committee, and my reaction to the counsel

         4       who said this probably has constitutional

         5       problems and whatever was, "Forget it, I'm

         6       voting for it." You know.

         7                      I know the case.  I read about

         8       the case.  I think we all did.  It was highly

         9       publicized but, you know, as I sat here I

        10       thought of several things.

        11                      I thought of a number of years

        12       ago.  Many of you may not have been here, but

        13       once upon a time, some eight or nine years ago,

        14       there was a heart rending custody case on the

        15       front pages of a major daily newspaper.  A woman

        16       who had been a foster parent for many, many

        17       years, the child was removed from her custody,

        18       put somewhere else.  Senator Goodhue had

        19       hearings on it, confidential hearings, and a

        20       colleague of mine who then sat next to me who is

        21       no longer with us here put a bill in. Got a lot

        22       of press.  The bill would have taken custody,

        23       which Family Court had awarded to some other











                                                             
4735

         1       person, and reversed that judgment of all the

         2       court systems because there had been appeals and

         3       put it back in the hands of this wonderful, nice

         4       lady who had ninety dolls and who was sitting

         5       right up there, sitting right up there with her

         6       lawyer, with reporters.  This was announced as

         7       the day -- the day that the Legislature was

         8       going to put this terrible situation right.

         9                      And I remember the Majority

        10       Leader at the time approaching the Minority and

        11       saying, Hey, we have to be responsible on this.

        12       That's why we have courts. We don't sit as the

        13       House of Lords to reverse court decisions we

        14       don't like.  And, in fact, that bill was

        15       defeated not because people didn't feel for that

        16       woman, and that was a vote where you had to look

        17       her in the eye and vote.

        18                      I'm reminded of that because we

        19       do have laws that apply to everyone.  I'm

        20       reminded of another situation.

        21                      There is a young man in my

        22       district who approached me about six months

        23       ago.  I saw him again just two weeks ago when I











                                                             
4736

         1       took my children to a park on the Lower East

         2       Side.  He came over, "Senator," he hugged me,

         3       "can you help me?" The man limps; he was

         4       disfigured; he was horribly injured.

         5                      I have looked at his case through

         6       news clippings.  It was a somewhat noteworthy

         7       negligence case in New York City, where he was

         8       awarded over $6 million for the combined

         9       negligence -- I think the tort feasors were the

        10       city and there was another tortfeasor who was a

        11       private individual.  And he won his case.

        12                      Apparently, unbeknownst to him,

        13       somehow the judge reduced the verdict, and then

        14       there was a botched appeal, and then his lawyer

        15       didn't file some paper on the appeal on time,

        16       and it was dismissed, and he left without a

        17       farthing, and he still lives in single room

        18       occupancy on the Lower East Side.

        19                      He is a young man who you look at

        20       him you know he will never work again.  And if

        21       you read the accounts of his injuries, he was

        22       not expected to live.  He was hospitalized and

        23       suffered for years.











                                                             
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         1                      He came to me, "Senator, you know

         2       I've won. I won my malpractice suit against my

         3       lawyer, but it turns out he didn't have

         4       insurance and whatever and I can't get anything

         5       out of him," and the city and the other

         6       tortfeasors, they are getting off the hook

         7       because the appeal was botched.  You know, I

         8       don't think I'm heartless, you know.

         9                      In fact, I may reverse.  If you

        10       are all serious about doing this bill, I say

        11       reverse what I told him in that park which was

        12       what I had told him months before; and that was,

        13       we can't just take a bill like this and say

        14       let's say -- certainly for the city's liability

        15       or whatever say, "Let's give them the 3 million

        16       that's their half.  Let's give him the $3

        17       million."

        18                      That would be a gift.  We are

        19       barred by our Constitution from giving gifts.

        20       Now, as Senator Gold pointed out, this

        21       particular woman in this very tragic case has

        22       been compensated for economic loss and will

        23       certainly be compensated for pain and suffering











                                                             
4738

         1       for the length of time that regrettably she must

         2       endure that pain and suffering.

         3                      But anything above that is a

         4       bonus under the laws that you pushed and you

         5       passed and the Majority in this house with some

         6       support on this side.  I opposed structured

         7       settlements.  I have always said, You want to

         8       have tort reform, let's have tort reform.  Let's

         9       not -- and many of you supported an absolute

        10       cap, a $100,000 cap on pain and suffering.  I

        11       remember that bill coming out here.

        12                      Think of what she would get if

        13       that bill had passed. And now confronted with a

        14       real flesh and blood tragedy of one of these

        15       tort cases, where are your principles? Where is

        16       your tort limit caps? Where is your pain and

        17       suffering caps?

        18                      We are sticking to the structured

        19       settlement that you enacted in this house and

        20       that you finally got the other house to accept.

        21       Because for this heart rending story, there are

        22       thousands of other stories like it throughout

        23       the state of people who are victims of











                                                             
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         1       negligence and wrongdoing, sometimes by the

         2       state, its agents, by localities, or by other

         3       tortfeasors.

         4                      And, you know, it's real easy to

         5       vote for this, you know.  But it would be real

         6       easy to bring out bill after bill after bill,

         7       and I could get up and I would fill in all the

         8       details about the young man I just spoke about

         9       that I ran into in Tompkins Square Park a few

        10       weeks ago, you  know.

        11                      The letter of the laws we've

        12       passed over the years and enacted really put the

        13       screws to him.  He is really injured, he really

        14       suffered; and because of a technicality in the

        15       CPLR of when his lawyer should have filed

        16       appeal, and so on and so forth, he's out of the

        17       $6 million that a court found were his losses.

        18       Actually, they lowered it to $3.2 million.  But

        19       he gets nothing now, nothing.  Because of the

        20       laws we have on the books.

        21                      Now, if you pass this, I would

        22       like someone to tell me I can put a bill in for

        23       this young man and take some action on it in the











                                                             
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         1       next couple of weeks.

         2                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Excuse

         3       me, Senator.

         4                      Senator Mendez, why do you rise?

         5                      SENATOR MENDEZ:  Just one

         6       question.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:

         8       Certainly, Senator.

         9                      SENATOR CONNOR:  Yes.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        11       Connor yields.

        12                      SENATOR MENDEZ:  I would like to

        13       know.  Did anything happen to that lawyer that

        14       botched the appeal and that deprived this man of

        15       his just compensation?

        16                      SENATOR CONNOR:  He's been

        17       disbarred, Senator.  That's what the

        18       disciplinary decision that he showed me in the

        19       park two weeks ago.

        20                      SENATOR MENDEZ:  Thank you.

        21                      SENATOR CONNOR:  He's been

        22       disbarred, but this young man doesn't have any

        23       money in his pocket. He doesn't have a nice











                                                             
4741

         1       place to live.  He can't afford his medical

         2       bills.

         3                      But, you know, are there hard

         4       cases under the laws we pass? Yes, there are.

         5                      And in this particular case, the

         6       person has been compensated for her economic

         7       losses and to be compensated for the pain and

         8       suffering that she endured regrettably.

         9                      You know, I don't understand,

        10       coming from the side of the aisle that wanted a

        11       $100,000 cap on all pain and suffering. Does

        12       that mean you will have a $100,000 cap until one

        13       of you has a constituent that's really in tragic

        14       circumstances, and then we'll have a bill.

        15       "Oh-oh, lookit, this is awful suffering.  Let's

        16       give $2 million in suffering on this one."  I

        17       don't understand it.

        18                      And if we start doing this, I

        19       guarantee you within our districts there are

        20       hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of cases

        21       of people who because of the letter of the law

        22       and the way it was applied will come to us and

        23       say, "But my situation is so tragic, it got











                                                             
4742

         1       press, it provoked tears, real tears."  Who

         2       wants to hear about these?

         3                      These are real every day

         4       tragedies of this life is made.  And I suggest,

         5       Mr. President, that as well intentioned as this

         6       bill is and as appealing for a yes vote as this

         7       bill is -- I mean my first -- and up until I

         8       guess Senator Halperin said something, I was

         9       sitting here saying, "This bill isn't exactly

        10       right on the law; but, gee, who wants to vote

        11       against it?"

        12                      I just can't bring myself to vote

        13       against it. Let the people who wanted a hundred

        14       thousand dollar on pain and suffering vote for

        15       this and let them try and explain that next time

        16       we have a tort reform debate.

        17                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        18       Dollinger.

        19                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  Thank you,

        20       Mr. President.  Frankly, my colleagues both in

        21       this chamber and at the bar have spoken about

        22       what impact this bill would have on the tort law

        23       of this state, and I guess I have to join











                                                             
4743

         1       Senator Connor, Senator Gold and Senator

         2       Halperin before me, in that old saw, that old

         3       adage about "Bad facts make bad law."

         4                      This is a case which,

         5       unfortunately, because of the dynamics of our

         6       municipal tort reform, our law that we passed

         7       because governments wanted it, because we were

         8       going to take away a mandate, because we were

         9       going to give governments the ability to not

        10       have to pay money after someone had died, we

        11       were going to save governments that money.

        12                      So the whole point as I

        13       understood municipal tort reform, although I

        14       wasn't a member of this chamber at the time it

        15       was passed, it was designed to protect local

        16       governments; that we were going to say to them

        17       if the plaintiff died prematurely, the local

        18       government would no longer have the obligation

        19       to pay for non-economic loss for pain and

        20       suffering since it had ended, since it was

        21       finite.

        22                      And it seems to me in the context

        23       of this case, we're in the business of another











                                                             
4744

         1       one of the coordinated branches of government

         2       where we don't belong.  This trial judge

         3       concluded that living 5.5 years with the HIV

         4       virus and with AIDS was worth $3.5 million in

         5       non-economic pain and suffering.

         6                      I query, had that number been

         7       instead of $5.5 million but instead 3.5 million

         8       or 2.5 million, which may be the actual fact,

         9       would that trial judge or Court of Claims judge

        10       also have awarded 3.5 million or would he have

        11       awarded some lesser sum.

        12                      But passing this bill, we're

        13       taking the trial judge's opinion and saying that

        14       3.5 million over 5.5 years is the same as 3.5

        15       million over some lesser number, which I submit

        16       is interfering with the judgment of a court

        17       gathered on all the facts, made after arguments

        18       by both sides, fully briefed I'm sure, and

        19       allowing the judicial process to make that

        20       judgment call.

        21                      If the facts were different, if

        22       there were a different life span, we might have

        23       a different number.











                                                             
4745

         1                      Senator Sears' bill seeks to take

         2       the 3.5 million for 5.5 years and say no matter

         3       how long the time period is 3.5 million is the

         4       right number to compensate that.  I think that

         5       that demonstrates the great, great danger of

         6       this body getting involved in becoming another

         7       appellate court.  That isn't where we belong.

         8       We don't belong in the judicial business.  We

         9       belong in the legislative business.

        10                      And I will submit, Mr. President,

        11       to conclude that the danger that Senator Connor

        12       talked about, that Senator Gold talked about and

        13       Senator Halperin talked about, which is that

        14       this bill will create a huge gaping hole in the

        15       municipal tort reform that was passed by the

        16       other side of the aisle creates a grave danger

        17       that we will become a court of last resort; that

        18       our job will be to rectify every inequity in

        19       every statute that we impose no matter whether

        20       it has a basis of law or whether it has a basis

        21       in the public sympathy, and we will be in the

        22       position of being flooded with these requests

        23       for appellate review to clarify, to correct the











                                                             
4746

         1       perceived injustice in statutes that we pass or

         2       that were passed by this body for what everybody

         3       who supported it thought was a laudable purpose;

         4       and that is, municipal tort reform to not have

         5       the government in the position of making an

         6       equivalent of a gift after the period of pain

         7       and suffering has ended.

         8                      So I ask all my colleagues, look

         9       at the danger that this bill poses.  Look at the

        10       exceptions that you are making.  I think that

        11       you are making an exception that will all but

        12       swallow the law; and, lo and behold, this body

        13       and this Legislature and this Governor are going

        14       to take over the business of the courts.  We

        15       will become the court of last resort whenever

        16       there is any inequity under the broad status

        17       that we create.  That is a mistake.

        18                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        19       Solomon.

        20                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can I?

        21                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Oh, I'm

        22       sorry.  Are you finished, Senator Dollinger?

        23                      SENATOR DOLLINGER:  Yes.











                                                             
4747

         1                      SENATOR GOLD:  Should I ask

         2       Senator Solomon the courtesy of asking one

         3       question of Senator Sears before he speaks?

         4                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         5       Solomon yields to Senator Gold to ask a question

         6       of Senator Sears.

         7                      SENATOR GOLD:  Senator Sears.

         8                      SENATOR SEARS:  Yes.

         9                      SENATOR GOLD:  As I have already

        10       said I mean there is no question but that

        11       everybody in the chamber admires your trying to

        12       do the right thing for this person.

        13                      But I would just like to point

        14       out something to you, and you may want to hold

        15       the bill, I don't know.

        16                      I think you have a major drafting

        17       problem.  Your memorandum says that the bill

        18       makes it so that Section 50-B shall not apply,

        19       but that's not what the bill says. If I read the

        20       part of the bill that's the law, it says that

        21       upon the death of the person, the Comptroller is

        22       directed to compute the balance owed to her,

        23       quotes, "pursuant to the judgment rendered."











                                                             
4748

         1                      If the Comptroller issues a

         2       report that pursuant to the judgment there was

         3       nothing due to her because there was a

         4       structured settlement, the case is over and we

         5       haven't done for her what you think you are

         6       doing. There is no reference in any of your new

         7       language which says, Senator -- and I'm saying

         8       this respectfully, you know that there is

         9       nothing in your new language that says, quotes,

        10       "irrespective of Section 50-B."  There's

        11       nothing in your new language that says, "The

        12       Comptroller shall take whatever money is paid

        13       from the amount of 5.5 and pay the balance."

        14                      In other words, I just want you

        15       to understand -- I don't agree with what you are

        16       doing, but I think we ought to at least as a

        17       body have it in a form where, if we decide to do

        18       it, we do it, and I'm just saying that

        19       respectfully.  You may want to take another

        20       look.

        21                      SENATOR SEARS:  I think you have

        22       a good point, Senator.  I want to be fair about

        23       it. I want the bill, of course. I think your











                                                             
4749

         1       recommendation would make a better bill.

         2                      I want the bill laid aside so we

         3       can amend it.  We will put it back on the

         4       calendar.

         5                      SENATOR GOLD:  Thank you, sir.

         6                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay the

         7       bill aside.

         8                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

         9       1056, by Senator Present, Senate Bill Number

        10       5785, an act to amend the General Municipal

        11       Law.

        12                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Lay it aside

        13       for the day.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay it

        15       aside until Monday.

        16                      THE SECRETARY:  Calendar Number

        17       1057, by Senator Libous, Senate Bill Number

        18       5791, Uniform Justice Court Act.

        19                      SENATOR GOLD:  Can we lay it over

        20       a day?

        21                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Lay it aside

        22       for the day.

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Lay it











                                                             
4750

         1       aside for the day.

         2                      Senator Present, that's all we

         3       have here, but I think we have some motions.

         4                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Why don't you

         5       take care of the motions and other necessary

         6       housekeeping?

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         8       Sears first.

         9                      SENATOR SEARS:  Mr. President, I

        10       move to recommit Senate Print 3740-A, Calendar

        11       Number 861, Third Reading, to the Committee on

        12       Codes with instructions to said committee to

        13       strike out the enacting clause.

        14                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Without

        15       objection, Calendar 861, Senate 3740,

        16       recommitted.

        17                      Senator Kuhl.

        18                      SENATOR KUHL:  Yes, Mr.

        19       President.  May I have unanimous consent to be

        20       recorded in the negative on Calendar Number 771,

        21       page 18.

        22                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Without

        23       objection, Senator Kuhl in the negative.











                                                             
4751

         1                      Senator Johnson.

         2                      SENATOR JOHNSON:  Mr. President,

         3       I also request unanimous consent to be recorded

         4       in the negative on Calendar 771.

         5                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

         6       Johnson, without objection, in the negative on

         7       771.

         8                      Senator Seward.

         9                      SENATOR SEWARD:  I likewise would

        10       ask unanimous consent to be recorded in the

        11       negative on Calendar 771.

        12                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Senator

        13       Seward, without objection, in the negative on

        14       771.

        15                      Senator Present.

        16                      SENATOR PRESENT:  Mr. President,

        17       on behalf of Senator Hannon, would you please

        18       put a sponsor star on Calendar 61, Senate Print

        19       280.

        20                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:  Without

        21       objection, sponsor star.

        22                      Senator Present, we have two subs

        23       here at the desk, and then we have one more











                                                             
4752

         1       motion, I believe, to make.  Can we do the subs?

         2                      SENATOR PRESENT: Yes.

         3                      THE SECRETARY:  On page 6 of

         4       today's calendar, Senator Stafford moves to

         5       discharge the Committee on Rules from Assembly

         6       Bill Number 4063A and substitute it for the

         7       identical Third Reading 229.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:

         9       Substitution ordered.

        10                      THE SECRETARY: Also, on page 23,

        11       Senator Johnson moves to discharge the Committee

        12       on Rules from Assembly Bill Number 7602B and

        13       substitute it for the identical Third Reading

        14       677.

        15                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:

        16       Substitution ordered.

        17                      Senator Present.

        18                      SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President,

        19       on behalf of Senator Stafford, I wish to call up

        20       his bill, Print 4237, recalled from the

        21       Assembly, which is now at the desk.

        22                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: Clerk

        23       will read.











                                                             
4753

         1                      THE SECRETARY:  By Senator

         2       Stafford, Senate Bill Number 4237, an act

         3       relating to state aid to the North Warren

         4       Central School District.

         5                      SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President. I

         6       now move to reconsider the vote by which this

         7       bill was passed.

         8                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: The

         9       Secretary will call the roll on reconsideration.

        10                      (The Secretary called the roll on

        11       reconsideration.)

        12                      THE SECRETARY: Ayes 57.

        13                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: The bill

        14       is before the house.

        15                      SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President, I

        16       now offer the following amendments.

        17                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: Bill is

        18       reconsidered and the amendments are received and

        19       adopted.

        20                      Senator Larkin.

        21                      SENATOR LARKIN: Mr. President, on

        22       behalf of Senator Levy, on page 39, I offer the

        23       following amendments to Calendar 890, Senate











                                                             
4754

         1       Print 1003, and ask that the bill retain its

         2       place on third reading.

         3                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:

         4       Amendments are received and adopted.

         5                      SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President.

         6       We're awaiting an amendment to a bill, so I move

         7       that we stand at ease, and we will reconvene to

         8       accept those amendments. And following that, I

         9       will adjourn until Monday.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: Senate

        11       will recess until an amendment is received and

        12       then we will adjourn until Monday at the regular

        13       time.

        14                      (Whereupon, at 2:33 p.m., Senate

        15       was at ease.)

        16                      (Whereupon, at 2:35 p.m., Senate

        17       reconvened.)

        18                      SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President.

        19                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: Senator

        20       Present.

        21                      SENATOR PRESENT: Would you

        22       recognize Senator Hannon, please?

        23                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:











                                                             
4755

         1       Recognize Senator Hannon for a motion.

         2                      SENATOR HANNON: Yes, Mr.

         3       President. On page 15, I offer the following

         4       amendments to Calendar Number 689, which is

         5       Senate Print 3424, and I ask that the bill

         6       retain its place on the Third Reading Calendar.

         7                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER:

         8       Amendments are received and adopted.

         9                      SENATOR PRESENT: Mr. President.

        10                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: Senator

        11       Present.

        12                      SENATOR PRESENT: There being no

        13       further business, I move that we adjourn until

        14       Monday, June 14, at 2:30 p.m., intervening days

        15       being legislative days.

        16                      ACTING PRESIDENT VOLKER: Senate

        17       is adjourned until Monday, June 14, at the

        18       regular hour.

        19                      (Whereupon, at 2:36 p.m., Senate

        20       adjourned.)

        21

        22

        23