Regular Session - January 20, 1999

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                           NEW YORK STATE SENATE





                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD







                             ALBANY, NEW YORK

                             January 20, 1999

                                11:05 a.m.



                              REGULAR SESSION





                 LT. GOVERNOR MARY O. DONOHUE, President

                 STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary





















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                           P R O C E E D I N G S

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate will

                 come to order.

                            I ask that everyone present please

                 rise and repeat with me the Pledge of

                 Allegiance.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The invocation

                 today will be given by Reverend Ronald Winley

                 from the Church of the Evangel in Brooklyn.

                            REVEREND WINLEY:    Let us pray.

                 Creative God, Lord of the universe, we come

                 acknowledging that You are our creator and

                 because of You we live and move and have our

                 being.  We thank You, almighty God.

                            We come this morning on behalf of

                 our political leaders and the political

                 institutions of this great State with a

                 request that You grant each one a double

                 portion of knowledge, wisdom, compassion,

                 understanding and courage.  We ask this of You

                 so that we may use the power entrusted to us

                 to create the space for the good life that we

                 all seek.





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                            Renew in all of us, O magnificent

                 God, that sense of awe and wonder and

                 reverence and respect for this creation in

                 which we are privileged to live and let that

                 awareness be reproduced in our actions on

                 behalf of all the people of this wonderful

                 State.  Move us in our thinking towards a new

                 bottom line that incorporates our sense of

                 morality and essence that these qualities and

                 virtues have equal weight with our concerns

                 for economics and politics; that, like You, we

                 not be willing to allow any to perish, that

                 all can flourish in this good life that we are

                 permitted to create.

                            As we close out this millennium and

                 this 222nd Legislature, prepare us to enter

                 the next one.  We are indeed posed to do great

                 works, but it will take solidarity and trust,

                 reconciliation and judgement, wisdom and

                 courage, and goodwill for each other to make

                 it a reality.

                            Grant us these blessings, O God.

                 Help us to respect the diversity in Your

                 creation and help us to advance the people of

                 this State, where we have a history of using





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                 our differences to dominate each other.  Let

                 us use our differences now to enhance each

                 other.

                            Thank you, God, for allowing us to

                 be co-creators with You in this grand project

                 of life and continue to shape us through Your

                 precious Holy Spirit.  Amen.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reading of the

                 Journal.

                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

                 Tuesday, January 19th.  The Senate met

                 pursuant to adjournment.  The Journal of

                 Saturday, January 16th, was read and approved.

                 On motion, Senate adjourned.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Witho

                 ut objection, the Journal stands approved as

                 read.

                            Presentation of petitions.

                            Messages from Assembly.

                            Messages from the Governor.

                            Reports of standing committee.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Lack,

                 from the Committee on Judiciary, offers up the

                 following nomination:





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                            As a judge of the Chemung County

                 Court, James T. Hayden of Elmira.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    The

                 Chair recognizes Senator Lack to move the

                 nomination.

                            SENATOR LACK:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            With pleasure, I rise to move the

                 nomination, the confirmation of James T.

                 Hayden, of Elmira, as a judge of the Chemung

                 County Court.

                            Mr. Hayden, who is in our gallery

                 with his wife, Jackie, has appeared before the

                 Committee, his credentials have been examined

                 by the staff of the Committee.  Today he

                 appeared before a meeting of the Judiciary

                 Committee and was unanimously recommended by

                 the Committee to the floor of the Senate.

                            And it is with great pleasure that

                 I yield to a gravelly voice, but

                 nonetheless-here Senator Kuhl, for purposes of

                 a second.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Chair

                 recognizes Senator Kuhl.

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Thank you, Mr.





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                 President.

                            I was prepared to talk at length,

                 but it appears as though, in all of your

                 benefit, that my voice has disappeared.  So

                 leave it to say, it be said very quickly.

                            Jim Hayden brings a great deal of

                 experience to the bench and I rise to second

                 his nomination.

                            Thank you.

                            Sorry, Jim.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    The

                 question is on the confirmation of James T.

                 Hayden as judge of the Chemung County Court.

                 All in favor, signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Oppos

                 ed, nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    James

                 T. Hayden is hereby confirmed as judge of the

                 Chemung County Court.

                            Congratulations, Judge Hayden, and

                 Godspeed in your tenure.  And to your wife,

                 Jackie, too.  Congratulations.

                            (Applause.)





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                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Secr

                 etary, will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Also Senator Lack

                 from the Committee on Judiciary reports:

                            Senate Prints 497, by Senator

                 Seward, concurrent resolution of the Senate

                 and Assembly;

                            709, by Senator DeFrancisco, an act

                 to amend the Surrogates Court Procedure Act;

                            907, by Senator Skelos, an act to

                 amend the General Obligations Law.

                            Senator Saland, from the Committee

                 on Children and Families, reports:

                            Senate Print 1031, by Senator

                 Saland, an act to amend the Education Law.

                            Senator Goodman, from the Committee

                 on Investigations, Taxation and Government

                 Operations, reports:

                            Senate Print 456, by Senator

                 Volker, an act to amend the Tax Law.

                            All bills directly for third

                 reading.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Witho

                 ut objection, all bills directly to third

                 reading.





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                            Reports of select committees.

                            Communications or reports from

                 State offices.

                            Motions and resolutions.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Mr. President, I

                 believe that there is a privileged resolution

                 at the desk by Senator Maltese.  I would ask

                 that the title be read and moved for its

                 immediate adoption.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Se

                 cretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

                 Maltese, Senate Reso -- Legislative Resolution

                 139, mourning the death of Robert E. Cornell

                 of Ridgewood, New York.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    All in

                 favor of adopting the resolution, signify by

                 saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Oppos

                 ed, nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    The

                 resolution is adopted.

                            Senator Bruno.





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                            SENATOR BRUNO:    I ask that we, at

                 this time, adopt the Resolution Calendar, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    All in

                 favor of adopting the Resolution Calendar,

                 signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Opp

                 osed, nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    The

                 Resolution Calendar is adopted.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Can we at this

                 time take up the non-controversial reading of

                 the calendar, Mr. President?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Secre

                 tary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 6, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 100, an act

                 to amend the penal law in relation to criminal

                 possession.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Lay

                 that bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 9, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 130, an act





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                 to amend the criminal procedure law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Lay

                 that bill aside, please.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 11, by Senator Holland, Senate Print 256, an

                 act to amend the penal law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    That

                 bill is laid aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 15, by Senator Nozzolio, Senate Print 636, an

                 act to amend the panel law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    That

                 bill is laid aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 16, by Senator Maziarz, Senate Print 650, an

                 act to amend the criminal procedure law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    That

                 bill is laid aside.

                            That completes the reading of the

                 non-controversial calendar.

                            Senator Bruno.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Can we at this

                 time have the controversial reading of the

                 calendar?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Secre





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                 tary shall read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 6, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 100, an act

                 to amend the penal law.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:

                 Senator Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President,

                 first of all, this is a bill that passed last

                 year by a vote of 57 to 3, and it involves an

                 anomaly in the law that there has been a few

                 number of articles about over the years, the

                 difference between the sale of crack cocaine

                 and marijuana.

                            The anomaly in the law is that a

                 person can be -- can have in his possession,

                 or in her possession, a considerable amount of

                 marijuana with intent to sell, but because of

                 the anomaly in the law, the penalty remains

                 the low penalty of possession.

                            What this bill basically does is,

                 is that it says that, if a person is in, has

                 in its possession two ounces of marijuana and

                 you can prove that there was an intent to

                 sell, it moves the penalty up to a class E





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                 felony.  Technically, the possession could be

                 just a misdemeanor.  If you could prove

                 possession with intent to sell, you move it up

                 to a class E felony, which is the lowest

                 felony with a potential sentence of 1 to 4.

                            Some of the New York City D.A.s

                 have said that when, until you get to a

                 felony, when you have an intent to sell, you

                 have little control, frankly, over the cases.

                 And, normally, they're just washed out.  What

                 this does is, is give the district attorney at

                 least a handle on two ounces, for instance,

                 plus of marijuana when it's an intent to sell.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    S

                 enator Montgomery, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes, Mr.

                 President, I would like to know if the sponsor

                 would yield.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Sure.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Senator

                 Volker, the idea here, I presume, is to raise

                 the criminality in relationship to the

                 possession of marijuana.

                            Now, given the fact that we already

                 have a problem with overcrowding in our





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                 system -- and it seems to me that this goes in

                 the opposite direction of where everybody else

                 in the country or at least in a number of

                 states are moving, and that is to move away

                 from criminalizing the possession of marijuana

                 and treating it as a hard, hard drug.

                            So do you, do you see that this is

                 going to cause us, in the long run, more

                 problems and is this not going in the opposite

                 direction of where we would like to go, and

                 that is changing the Rockefeller Laws to make

                 more sense of our criminal justice system?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    First of all,

                 this has nothing to do with the Rockefeller

                 drug laws.  This was never part of the

                 Rockefeller drug laws.  And, in fact, you

                 could make an argument that, in effect, this

                 works in reverse of what you just said.  This

                 is not possession.  This is actual -- these

                 are sellers.  You could have people with large

                 packages of marijuana in, you know, two-ounce

                 bags or whatever, that clearly the intent is,

                 is to sell, but because of the anomaly in the

                 law, you can't charge them with a felony.

                            What this is designed to do is,





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                 frankly, equate -- and the criticism, by the

                 way, has been, if you have the same situation

                 with crack cocaine, you can charge them with a

                 B felony, not an E felony, a B felony, which

                 is a much more severe felony charge.

                            What happens with most of these

                 cases, in reality, by the way, is that they're

                 pled out, if this person is not a major

                 seller.

                            We do not have an overcrowding of

                 minor offenders in our prison system.  The

                 ironic twist of it is that we have been driven

                 to check our prison system over a little more

                 closely.  We are having a devil of a time

                 finding all these non-violent felon people.

                 There are in California and they are in a

                 number of states, but we are having a

                 difficult time.  Remember, we have a Shock

                 Incarceration System.  We have a lot of things

                 that we're doing to try to get people out of

                 our system.  We're having difficulty, though,

                 filling our Shock incarceration classes

                 because we don't have enough non-violent

                 people to fill them.  We're having great

                 difficulties.  There's this perception out





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                 there that somehow there's this huge number of

                 people.

                            But this bill is really designed to

                 develop a process, a more rational process.

                 This was kind of a -- the possession of

                 marijuana, no one is trying to raise the

                 penalty for the possession of marijuana.  This

                 is where you have somebody who is, in effect,

                 a seller of marijuana.  You've got to prove

                 it, by the way.  Just the fact that you

                 possess it, doesn't mean that you can charge

                 them with a, with a higher penalty.  You have

                 to prove it.  You have to prove that there was

                 an intent to sell.  And the mere fact that you

                 possessed two ounces or above does not

                 generate the intent to sell.  You still have

                 to prove it.  And that's what the charge is

                 about.

                            So this does not have anything to

                 do with Rockefeller drug laws.  Rockefeller

                 drug laws pertain to people in the higher

                 categories.  This, this situation here has

                 nothing to do with Rockefeller drug laws.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    S

                 enator Montgomery.





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                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes, Mr.

                 President, I want to thank Senator Volker for

                 his explanation.  However, I don't, do not

                 accept it as valid in relationship to the

                 issue that I'm raising, and that is that we

                 are now going down this path to look at the

                 possession and/or the intent to sell marijuana

                 as a reason to incarcerate people, eventually,

                 for long periods of time in our criminal, in

                 our penal system.  And we all know and we all

                 now understand that this, this kind of statute

                 has, essentially, wrecked our criminal justice

                 system.  We have tremendous overcrowding, we

                 have tremendous inequity in sentencing and the

                 number of years people spend for, because of

                 these kind of statutes.

                            So I want to warn my colleagues on

                 both side of the aisle that, certainly, we

                 don't want to, to encourage people to use and

                 sell drugs, but we also, certainly, don't want

                 to put ourselves in a position where we have

                 these kinds of statutes, these kinds of laws

                 which, in fact, hurt us as it relates to

                 fighting drugs and crime related to drugs as

                 opposed to helping.





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                            So I'm voting no on this, on this

                 bill, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Thank

                 you, Senator Montgomery.

                            Senator Duane, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Mr. President, I

                 would ask if the sponsor would yield to a

                 couple of other questions.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Sure.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:

                 Senator Volker, do you yield?

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                            Is there anything in the

                 legislation which would enable a person to

                 have a better opportunity to get into a

                 treatment program as an alternative?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Senator, I'm

                 sure you're aware that legislation doesn't, in

                 itself, provide treatment.  But there's an

                 interesting part of this.  There is a theory,

                 and I think a pretty good one, that, for some

                 people, the only place they can get treatment

                 is in jail, because these people won't really

                 seek treatment outside.

                            We have some pretty good programs





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                 in our prisons now.  Not as many as we would

                 like.  And we would like to improve that and

                 we're going to try to improve that.  And,

                 hopefully, when the conference committee

                 process this year, we may well do that.  But

                 the truth is, for some people, the only place

                 they'll get any real treatment is if they're

                 incarcerated for a period of time.

                            By the way, I was just talking with

                 my colleagues here, the sentence here is 1 to

                 4.  If it's a pure 1-to-4 sentence, they would

                 probably be out in about 6 or 7 months, or

                 could be out, depending on the situation.

                 Could be worse.  This is a very low charge.

                 In New York City, in particular, for instance,

                 if this were a first-time offender, it would

                 be an automatic, we call it a wash out,

                 virtually, to a misdemeanor and would probably

                 end up attempting to get somebody into some

                 sort of treatment.  This -- you have to be a

                 multiple offender in the City before anybody

                 pays much attention to you, for the most part.

                            One of the reasons they want to

                 make this intent to sell a class E felony is

                 because there are some people that believe





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                 that you really can't force somebody to get

                 some help unless you make it a felony and, and

                 allow the system to deal with these kinds of

                 people.  And there's one argument that this

                 actually may help to provide fewer people in

                 the long haul into the system, if you're able

                 to get people who are selling marijuana, but

                 are only arrested for possession, off the

                 streets and maybe getting some help for

                 themselves also.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    If I may make a

                 comment before I ask my second question?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Sure,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    I bring -- I

                 don't entirely disagree with your point on the

                 encouraging of people to go into treatment.

                 But my experience showed that due to, frankly,

                 state budget cuts, that there was a severe

                 diminution of availability of slots and

                 alternative to incarceration programs in the

                 City of New York.  And, in fact, the City

                 Council had to restore an enormous amount of

                 money to replace the money which had been

                 taken away by the State.  And I feel that we





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                 need to pay equal attention to alternatives to

                 incarceration as we do to the potential to

                 incarcerate people.

                            And if I may just ask my final

                 question?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Sena

                 tor Volker, do you yield?

                            SENATOR DUANE:    I'm also

                 concerned because of the impact that this

                 legislation would have on buyers clubs for

                 marijuana, which, as you know, there is

                 certainly a very compelling discussion taking

                 place about the effectiveness of marijuana in

                 treating certain diseases, like cancer and

                 AIDS.

                            There has been a -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Sena

                 tor, Senator, may I just interrupt for a

                 second now?

                            Would you please do me a favor?

                 Would you address the Chair -

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    -- the

                 stenographer is having difficulty recording

                 your words of wisdom.





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                            SENATOR DUANE:    There is an

                 increase in the number of buyers clubs in the

                 State of New York to provide people who are

                 suffering from, for instance, cancer or AIDS.

                 And I'm very concerned about the impact of

                 this legislation on the ability of those

                 organizations which, whose intent is in no way

                 a criminal intent to operate.  And I think

                 because of the, that reason and the reason I

                 previously stated before about our need to

                 also focus on alternatives to incarceration, I

                 intend on voting no on this matter.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Read

                 the last section.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Can I answer

                 that?

                            I'll answer the question.  The

                 answer to the question is buyers clubs in New

                 York of that nature are illegal.  And so the

                 only way that -- the impact, I think, would

                 probably be negligible because they're illegal

                 now, and if a person is arrested and is

                 actually selling marijuana and they are

                 subject to incarceration at the present time.

                 And, in fact, if these buyers clubs have large





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                 amounts of marijuana, this legislation will

                 have little impact on them because they're

                 already subject to even stiffer penalties.

                 But I suppose it could have some impact if you

                 have somebody in possession illegally who is

                 intending to sell it, even though they claim

                 that they're doing it for a legal, medical

                 purposes, that's true, they could be subject

                 to incarceration.  But let me make it clear,

                 there are buyers clubs, and I know there are

                 some, they're illegal in this State, because

                 we do not have any legislation that allows

                 that type of activity to be legal.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Se

                 nator Dollinger, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Mr.

                 President, just briefly to comment on the

                 bill.

                            I wanted to just follow up

                 something Senator Volker said.  I voted for

                 this bill in the past.  I'm going to vote for

                 it again today.

                            But, Senator, you do point out one

                 thing that is critically important for

                 everybody to understand.  And that is that it





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                 is unfortunate, but some people, the only way

                 they get treatment, is through the

                 incarceration system.  And the great danger,

                 however -- and this comes from a study that

                 was done by the Monroe County Bar Association

                 in 1994, was that, unfortunately, that has a

                 disproportionate impact of people of color,

                 because what actually happens is, the

                 treatment slots for people with addition, even

                 though the drug use is about common among

                 everyone in this country, everyone in this

                 community, and certainly in the community of

                 Rochester, what the study found was that, of

                 available treatment slots, about 90 percent of

                 those slots go to whites and 10 percent of

                 them go to people of color.  And the danger is

                 that what's happening, Senator, is that our

                 incarceration system is becoming the only

                 source of treatment for a major portion of our

                 State.

                            And I support this bill.  I think

                 that in some cases it may be the only way to

                 get treatment.  But underlying this is a

                 serious question about access to treatment on

                 demand for people that need it.  And I would





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                 hope that if we were going to attack the

                 problem of addiction, we do it by recognizing

                 that what we need is treatment on demand that

                 can be uniformly applied to everyone, that

                 everyone will have access for, to before they

                 get in the criminal justice system.  That's a

                 much better way to deal with this problem in

                 the long run, rather than rely on

                 incarceration as the only hope for drug

                 treatment for a major portion of our

                 population.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Read

                 the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Call

                 the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 53.  Nays 2.

                 Senators Duane and Montgomery recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    The

                 bill is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number





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                 9, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 130, an act

                 to amend the criminal procedure law.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

                 this legislation would allow witnesses to

                 testify out-of-court identifications of

                 defendants by photographs.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Read

                 the last section.  Oops.

                            Senator Sampson, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR SAMPSON:    I'd like the

                 sponsor to yield for a couple of questions.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Se

                 nator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Absolutely.

                            SENATOR SAMPSON:    Do you, Mr.

                 President, does this bill in any effect

                 circumvent the weight hearing that takes place

                 before pretrial?

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    This is

                 presently allowed in the federal government

                 and also in 49 other states, weight hearings

                 would be available plus notice to the, to the

                 defendants' attorneys that they intend to use

                 this type of identification.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Read





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                 the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 5, this

                 act should take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Call

                 the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar number

                 11, by Senator Holland, Senate Print 256, an

                 act to amend the penal law.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Sen

                 ator Holland.

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    Yes, Mr.

                 President.

                            This bill amends the penal law to

                 require a person who is out of prison on

                 parole and who subsequently is convicted of

                 another felony while still on parole be

                 required to serve out the maximum sentence of

                 the original felony before beginning to serve





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                 the sentence for the second felony.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Sena

                 tor Montgomery, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes, I'd

                 just like to ask a clarification question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Se

                 nator Holland.

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    Yes, sir.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Senator

                 Holland, what is the lowest level of felony

                 that could trigger the re-incarceration of a

                 person?

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    The bill does

                 not break it down by levels of felony.  It

                 just says a felony.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    So it's

                 absolutely any level.

                            Mr. President, one other question.

                            Could you explain now,

                 specifically, what is the extent of

                 lengthening of time that this bill would,

                 would require?

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    Extent?

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yeah.  How

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                            Can you give me an example of -

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    I cannot.  I'm

                 sorry.  I cannot, Senator.  It depends on how

                 much time is left on the sentence, what the

                 Parole Board decides.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    So, in other

                 words, the, the, the person would serve out

                 the balance of their time -

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    Yes, first

                 parole.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    -- from the

                 first offense -

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    Right.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    -- and then

                 begin at that point a new time for -

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    The second

                 felony.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    -- the

                 second felony?

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    Yes, that's

                 true.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    All right.

                 Thank you for that clarification.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Se

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                            SENATOR DUANE:    Mr. President, I

                 would ask if the sponsor would yield to

                 another question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Se

                 nator Holland.

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    Yes, Mr.

                 President.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Am I right in

                 assuming that this bill takes away some of the

                 discretion which a judge could have in

                 sentencing?

                            SENATOR HOLLAND:    Yes.  If

                 someone has been paroled and has been out on

                 parole and commits another felony, the judge

                 would not have the right to eliminate the

                 remainder of the first sentence.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                 That's of concern to me, Senator, but thank

                 you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Read

                 the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 6, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Call





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                 the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 53.  Nays 2.

                 Senator Duane and Montgomery recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 15, by Senator Nozzolio, Senate Print 636, an

                 act to amend the penal law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    The

                 bill will be laid aside temporarily.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 16, by Senator Maziarz, Senate Print, 650 an

                 act to amend the criminal procedure law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Se

                 nator Maziarz, an explanation has been

                 requested.

                            SENATOR MAZIARZ:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            Mr. President, this legislation

                 expands the statute of limitations for

                 prosecutions of class B violent felonies from

                 5 to 10 years.

                            Presently, there is a 5-year





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                 limitation within which charges must be filed

                 against a suspect accused of a class B violent

                 felony.  Class B violent felonies include rape

                 in the first degree, sodomy in the first

                 degree, kidnapping in the first and second

                 degrees, attempted murder in the first and

                 second degrees and criminal use of a weapon in

                 the first degree.

                            The current law ties the hands of

                 law enforcement officials, who, after years of

                 trying to solve a crime, may not get a break

                 in the case until after the 5-year statute

                 runs out.

                            In Western New York, there is

                 currently a very horrific example of an

                 individual who has raped, the same individual

                 who has raped at least eight women.  And

                 through recent news articles, Senator Volker

                 Senator Rath and myself were extremely

                 disturbed that this individual could not, if

                 he were caught today, could not be prosecuted

                 for six of those eight rapes because the

                 statute of limitations has run out.  And yet

                 DNA testing proves, beyond any reasonable

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                 for all eight of these particular crimes.

                            This bill was first introduced by

                 myself in 1995.  It passed the Senate at that

                 time with 14 negative votes.  Subsequent to

                 that, we made some changes, working with the

                 District Attorneys Association of New York

                 State, particularly two district attorneys,

                 Frank Clark, of Erie County, and Matt Murphy,

                 of Niagara County, and we amended this bill,

                 which, during the debate in 1996, Senator

                 Paterson commented that he thought that the

                 bill looked excellent now.

                            So, I mean, even, it even has

                 Senator Paterson's endorsement.  What more

                 could you ask for?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    S

                 enator Montgomery, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes.  Mr.

                 President, I just want to thank the sponsor

                 for a very good explanation.  I understand it

                 now and I'll be voting for the legislation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Nice

                 job, Senator Maziarz.

                            Read the last -

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                 Senator Paterson's endorsement that won them

                 over, though.  I really do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Read

                 the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 action will take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Call

                 the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Bill

                 is passed.

                            SENATOR VELELLA:    Can we return

                 to Number 15 now, Senator Nozzolio's bill?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Secre

                 tary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 15, by Senator Nozzolio, Senate Print 636, an

                 act to amend the penal law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Read

                 the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Call





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                 the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 53.  Nays 2.

                 Senators Duane and Montgomery recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Bill

                 is passed.

                            Senator Skelos, that completes the

                 reading of the controversial calendar.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

                 is there any other housekeeping at the desk?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Senat

                 or Stachowski, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR STACHOWSKI:    Mr.

                 President, even though you didn't show up for

                 tennis this morning, I move the following

                 bills be discharged from their respective

                 committees and be recommitted with

                 instructions to strike the enabling clause:

                            Senate 370, for Senator Krueger.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Enabl

                 ing clause?

                            SENATOR STACHOWSKI:    Enacting

                 clause.

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                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    Okay.

                            SENATOR STACHOWSKI:    That's

                 because I'm tired from getting up for tennis.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    I was

                 prepping on the right words this morning for

                 you.

                            So ordered.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Is there any

                 other housekeeping at the desk?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    No,

                 there is not.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

                 on behalf of Senator Bruno, in consultation

                 with the Minority Leader, I hand up the

                 following minority committee assignments and

                 leadership position and ask that they be filed

                 in the Journal.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    It

                 will be filed in the Journal.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    There being no

                 further business, I move we adjourn until

                 Monday, January 25th, at 3 p.m., intervening

                 days being legislative days.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT BALBONI:    The





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                 Senate stands adjourned until January 21st

                 at -- 23rd at 3 p.m, intervening, intervening

                 days being legislative days.

                            (Whereupon, at 11:40 a.m., the

                 Senate adjourned.)