Regular Session - February 8, 1999

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                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD









                             ALBANY, NEW YORK

                             February 8, 1999

                                 3:04 p.m.



                              REGULAR SESSION





                 LT. GOVERNOR MARY O. DONOHUE, President

                 STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary























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                           P R O C E E D I N G S

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate will

                 come to order.

                            I ask everyone present to rise and

                 repeat with me the Pledge of Allegiance.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    In the absence of

                 clergy, may we bow our heads in a moment of

                 silence, please.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage

                 respected a moment of silence.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reading of the

                 Journal.

                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

                 Friday, February 5th.  The Senate met pursuant

                 to adjournment.  The Journal of Thursday,

                 February 4th, was read and approved.  On

                 motion, Senate adjourned.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, the Journal stands approved as

                 read.

                            Presentation of petitions.

                            Messages from the Assembly.

                            Messages from the Governor.





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                            Reports of standing committees.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Goodman,

                 from the Committee on Investigations, Taxation

                 and Government Operations, reports:

                            Senate Print 131, by Senator

                 Maziarz, an act to amend the Alcoholic

                 Beverage Control Law;

                            761, by Senator Johnson, an act to

                 amend the Tax Law;

                            1015, by Senator Skelos, an act to

                 amend the Executive Law.

                            Senator Nozzolio, from the

                 Committee on Crime Victims, Crime and

                 Correction, reports:

                            Senate Print 115, by Senator

                 Skelos, an act to amend the Correction Law;

                            116, by Senator Skelos, an act to

                 amend the Correction Law and the Vehicle and

                 Traffic Law;

                            634, by Senator Nozzolio, an act to

                 amend the Correction Law;

                            635, by Senator Nozzolio, an act to

                 amend the Executive Law;

                            637, by Senator Nozzolio, an act to





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                 amend the Correction Law and the Public Health

                 Law;

                            642, by Senator Nozzolio, an act to

                 amend the Correction Law; and

                            1480, by Senator Meier, an act to

                 amend the Executive Law and the Social

                 Services Law.

                            Senator Bonacic, from the Committee

                 on Housing, Construction and Community

                 Development, reports:

                            Senate Print 703, by Senator

                 Nozzolio, an act to amend the Executive Law;

                 and

                            Senate Print 1455, by Senator

                 Volker, an act to amend the Private Housing

                 Finance Law.

                            All bills ordered direct for third

                 reading.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, all bills directed to third

                 reading.

                            Reports of committees -- select

                 committees.

                            Communications and reports from

                 State officers.





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                            Motions and resolutions.

                            Senator Farley.

                            SENATOR FARLEY:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            On behalf of Senator Holland, on

                 page 5, I offer the following amendments to

                 Calendar Number 49,  Senate Print 17, and I

                 ask that that bill retain its place in the

                 Third Reading Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill will

                 retain it's place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            The amendment received.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 I believe there's a privileged resolution at

                 the desk sponsored by Senator Lack.  May we

                 please have the title read and I move for its

                 immediate adoption.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator Lack,

                 Legislative Resolution honoring Marcy Tublisky

                 upon the occasion of her designation for

                 special honor for 10 years of service to the





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                 community of Hauppauge, New York and to the

                 Hauppauge Industrial Association.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The question is

                 on the resolution.

                            All in favor, signify by saying

                 aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

                            (No response.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution is

                 adopted.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 could we take up the non-controversial

                 calendar, please?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 13, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 537,

                 an act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law in

                 relation to access to sealed records.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number





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                 66, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 773, an

                 act to amend the Environmental Conservation

                 Law in relation to non-hazardous municipal

                 landfill closure.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 44.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 71, by Senator Rath, Senate Print 120, an act

                 on amend the Criminal Procedure Law in

                 relation to prohibiting issuance of an order

                 of recognizance or bail.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4, this

                 act shall take effect on the 30th day.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 46.





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                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 73, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 725, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law in relation to

                 endangering the welfare of a child in the

                 first and second degrees.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Lay it aside.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 75, by Senator Balboni, Senate Print 859, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law in relation to

                 increasing the criminal penalties for sexual

                 performances by a child.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 12, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 47.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 76, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 973, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law in relation to

                 sexual assault against a child by a person in

                 a position of trust.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 5, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 47.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 81, by Senator Johnson, Senate Print 1589, an

                 act to ament the Penal Law in relation to

                 criminal contempt in the first degree.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.





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                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 47.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 82, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 1592, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law and others in

                 relation to enacting the Sexual Assault Reform

                 Act of 1999.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 101, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 1018, an

                 act to amend the Family Court Act and the

                 Criminal Procedure Law in relation to the age

                 of child witnesses.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.





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                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 47.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            Senator Skelos, that completes the

                 non-controversial reading of the calendar.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 if we could take up the controversial

                 calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 13, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 537,

                 an act on amend the Criminal Procedure Law in

                 relation to access to sealed records.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    If we could just

                 wait one mine.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco, an explanation has been asked for

                 on Senate 537.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            This bill passed unanimously last

                 year.  And, basically, what it is, it





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                 authorizes obtaining records of professionals

                 if it's proven before the Supreme Court

                 Justice upon application with notice to the

                 professional that there are extraordinary

                 circumstances that would require disclosure of

                 sealed information.

                            The concept is basically this.  If

                 I'm an attorney and I'm investigated in a

                 criminal case and those criminal cases are -

                 case may very well have been dismissed, the

                 fact of the matter is there is another branch

                 that deals with criminal or non-criminal

                 conduct; namely, the licensing agency and,

                 namely, the Appellate Division.  So as a

                 result, it may not be enough to go through a

                 criminal proceeding beyond a reasonable doubt

                 but it may be information that's necessary to

                 go, go into an investigation as on the ability

                 of the attorney to practice.  And under

                 extraordinary circumstances, the Supreme Court

                 Justice could open those records and have them

                 available for that purpose also with notice of

                 the -- to the individual whose records are

                 sought to be reviewed.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson.





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                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Madam

                 President, would the distinguished Senator

                 from Syracuse yield for a question?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, there

                 are five classes of professions, attorneys,

                 doctors, dentists, pharmacists and nurses,

                 that this legislation would apply to.  And my

                 question is, do you think that the distinction

                 of these five professions -- when I think the

                 Office of Professional Discipline supervises,

                 I believe 32 different professions, then the

                 legal and medical communities have their own

                 method of supervision -- the question that I

                 would have would be, doesn't that create a

                 kind of arbitrariness to the law?

                            Why don't we just leave it open

                 generally if the circumstances are as serious

                 and as extraordinary as would merit unsealing

                 the records?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    I think

                 that's a valid point.  It can be open up to

                 all professions.  I limited it, primarily, to,





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                 hopefully, make it reach those professions

                 that have an extreme impact on an individual,

                 whether it be an attorney or a medical

                 provider.  So it seems to me that it could be

                 open up to other professions as well.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Okay.  Thank

                 you.  I'm sorry.  Madam President, if the

                 Senator would yield for one last question.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, do you

                 yield?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, I get

                 a feeling from this type of legislation, and I

                 voted for it last year, but then again I got

                 paid last year so I thought if I was getting

                 paid again this year I might think it over

                 again.  And I was wondering if it doesn't

                 appear almost as if there's a notion that

                 smacks of double jeopardy, where a person's

                 case has already been disposed and there was a

                 decision to seal the records, what would there





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                 be that would be so important that even under

                 an extraordinary circumstance we might want to

                 investigate it?

                            And while I am going to vote for

                 the bill, I would wish that you might

                 alleviate some of my concerns on that issue.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well, if a

                 person's criminal case is terminated, for

                 whatever reason and records sealed, that does

                 not double jeopardy in him being sued civilly

                 for a lower standard of proof, the

                 preponderance of the evidence rather than

                 beyond a reasonable doubt.  Similarly,

                 whatever happens in a criminal case does not

                 in any way have binding effect over licensing

                 agencies and disciplinary agencies that

                 monitor the profession.  So I don't think

                 double jeopardy applies in this particular

                 case.

                            And what would be extraordinary

                 circumstances, I think that if someone is

                 under investigation and there is a question,

                 hopefully, probable cause that this person has

                 committed other acts of misconduct, they would

                 want to review the entire record before making





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                 a decision, and this particular, the aspect,

                 the aspect of the criminal proceeding may give

                 that weight one way or the other as to whether

                 the person should be disciplined or, in the

                 case of an attorney, disbarred or suspended.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you,

                 Senator.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson.

                            Senator Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Madam

                 President, would the sponsor yield just to one

                 question?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, do you

                 yield?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    In many

                 cases, my understanding, Senator, is that, as

                 part of the resolution of these complaints,

                 there's a pledge of confidentiality granted,

                 which is all part of the bargaining in which

                 these decisions are arrived at; that the

                 professional is bargaining, trading off some,

                 perhaps, greater penalty or greater financial





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                 penalty in trade for a pledge of

                 confidentiality.

                            My question is, is that in any way

                 accommodated in this, if they're -- in other

                 words, the party that's accused has, in

                 essence, entered into a freely negotiated deal

                 for a pledge of confidentiality, is that

                 anywhere accommodated here, that -

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    I really

                 don't understand the question.

                            Where is this, where is this

                 negotiated deal?

                            Can you give me an example?  I'm

                 not familiar with what you're talking about.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Well, I

                 assume that this deals with disciplinary

                 records and other -- or this deals with

                 criminal records and/or other records.

                            Maybe I'm missing the explanation,

                 Madam President.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well, if

                 you're saying that it was a negotiated deal to

                 terminate the criminal proceeding, there could

                 have been and there may not have been.  It may

                 be that the individual's given an adjournment





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                 in contemplation of dismissal which seals the

                 records after six months.  It may not have

                 been negotiated.  So I don't think that the

                 intent of this bill has really to address

                 whether or not there was a negotiated deal or

                 simply a dismissal or an adjournment in

                 contemplation of dismissal, which may not have

                 been negotiated.  So I don't think the act of

                 negotiation has anything to do with this

                 particular event.

                            In any event, if it was a

                 negotiation of a criminal proceeding, once

                 again, it has nothing to do with the

                 subsequent civil or disciplinary proceeding.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Okay.  Thank

                 you, Madam.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 53.  Nays 1.

                            Senator Duane recorded in the

                 negative.





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                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 73, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 725, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law in relation to

                 endangering the welfare of a child in the

                 first and second degrees.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    You want an

                 explanation?

                            Madam President -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson

                 has asked for an explanation.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Yes.  Okay.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Please proceed,

                 Senator.  Go ahead.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    This is a bill

                 that passed the Senate last year by a vote of

                 56 to nothing.  And what it would do is to

                 create, primarily to create a felony level

                 crime of endangering the welfare of a child.

                            I think last year we discussed some

                 of the, what I would consider, somewhat horror

                 stories about some of the crimes that were

                 committed against people under, under 17, 16





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                 and under, by certain people and where the -

                 because of the way the sentencing structure

                 works, the maximum penalty, in most cases, is

                 a class A misdemeanor, which means they could

                 only be sentenced to up to a year in jail.

                 Most often, what happens because of that and,

                 particularly, that's I think so in New York

                 City, where we all know anything under a

                 felony is, frankly, not looked on as very much

                 and usually ends up in probation or parole, in

                 some cases.  And so what this bill really does

                 is create a felony level endangering the

                 welfare of a child where a repeat offender

                 could be charged with a D felony.  The crime

                 would apply to repeat offenders and also

                 individuals who act in a manner which creates

                 a substantial risk of serious fiscal -

                 physical injury or prolonged impairment of

                 mental and emotional condition of a child 16

                 or younger.

                            At the present, first offense would

                 be still a class A misdemeanor but the second

                 offense could be a class D felony, which I

                 believe is three to eight.  In other words, it

                 could be an indeterminate sentence of three to





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                 eight years, if I'm not mistaken.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Madam President,

                 if the sponsor would yield to a question?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, do you

                 yield?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    I certainly do.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            The phrase "for prolonged

                 impairment of the mental or emotional

                 condition of a child less than 17 years old,"

                 is this already defined in the Penal Law or is

                 it somewhere addressed in the statute or would

                 it remain open to interpretation at some other

                 point?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Senator, there

                 are some definitions of impairment, but this

                 specific definition -- in fact, I think it may

                 have come from a court case.  And I think, as

                 we discussed in the committee, you deal with

                 what's called the mens rea the issue.  Certain

                 issues are not completely easily defined, and





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                 I guess this is one of them, and the decision

                 could be a jury decision or, in some cases, I

                 guess could be a judge's decision, as we know.

                 And you have to develop some sort of scenario

                 or some sort of evidentiary scheme to

                 determine what this constitutes.  So the

                 answer is, although there are some definitions

                 in the Penal Law, this specific language is

                 not defined, although it has been used in a

                 number of court cases that helped to determine

                 endangering, I believe on both the civil and

                 on the criminal side, if I'm not mistaken.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    If the sponsor

                 would yield to one additional question?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Sure.  Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator continues

                 to yield.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Could you just

                 tell me in which cases you believe that those

                 have -- are they persons with mental

                 impairment or -

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Oh, no.  No.

                 These are cases just involving young, young

                 individuals who were put upon, for one reason

                 or another, by individuals, most of the time





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                 relatives, and who were over a period of

                 time -- generally speaking, these cases come

                 out, and as, frankly, somebody who

                 investigated some of these cases many years

                 ago, what usually happens is that you will

                 find out about it from someone else and then

                 the child will finally come forward.  These

                 are very difficult to prove because, generally

                 speaking, if you have any dealing with these

                 cases, you'll find out that usually the

                 testimony of the young persons is not

                 sufficient and you have to have some other

                 evidence besides that or else you can't, you

                 can't really get a conviction.

                            So if anyone thinks that the fact

                 that we make this a D felony makes this an

                 easy one to prove, I am the first to tell you

                 that's not necessarily so.  But what you're

                 trying to do here is set up some sort of

                 statute that allows a person who you can show

                 this problem has occurred, that you can be

                 able to accept the proof and once a person is

                 convicted then they can receive a severe

                 sentence, rather than have a young person go

                 through an entire trial, for instance, in some





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                 cases, and then end up having the person

                 sentenced to virtually nothing because there

                 was no penalty to back it up.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    And, finally,

                 through you, Madam President, I am very -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, do you

                 continue to yield?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Yes.  I'm sorry.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    I am very, very

                 supportive of the spirit and absolutely see

                 the need for this and plan on voting in the

                 affirmative, but I will continue to have some

                 concerns regarding the ultimate interpretation

                 of that language but I think it's important

                 that we get it moving so we can even get to

                 that point.

                            Thank you, Senator.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Thank you,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Thank you,

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                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 6, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Montgomery, to explain your vote.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes.  Thank

                 you, Madam President.

                            I'm just -- I know that I must have

                 voted in the affirmative last session when it

                 was introduced, but I have some question in my

                 mind now regarding this.  And that is simply

                 this:  That there probably are a number of

                 parents who may fall under this statute, and

                 while, certainly, anyone who abuses a child

                 should be dealt with appropriately, in many

                 instances there are social issues,

                 psychological issues, other issues related to

                 family situations that may result in a parent

                 hitting a child.  And I certainly would not

                 want to summarily have that parent be

                 subjected to this statute without some attempt

                 at intervention that would be helpful or that





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                 would be an attempt to help resolve some of

                 the, some of the causes of this kind of

                 outcome.

                            So I'm going to vote no, although I

                 certainly agree with the spirit of the

                 legislation that Senator Volker has

                 introduced, but I do have some very serious

                 questions and I just don't want to go forward

                 and be recorded in the affirmative on this at

                 this time.

                            Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Announce the

                 vote.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 56.  Nays 1.

                            Senator Montgomery recorded in the

                 negative.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 82, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 1592, an

                 act on to amend the Penal Law and others.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    Explanation.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Volker,

                 Senator Waldon has requested an explanation.

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                 this, this bill is the Sexual Assault Reform

                 Act of '99.  And this is a Governor's Program

                 Bill.  One of the questions that was asked in

                 our committee was how's this different from

                 the Sexual Assault Reform Act of '97 and '98?

                 And the major answer to that is it is the only

                 real change in this bill, and I think there

                 was some confusion in the Assembly about the

                 DNA provisions in this bill.  And I think it

                 was primarily because they weren't stressed

                 last year.  But, in reality, after we went

                 through this entire bill, there really isn't

                 one change.  The only change that this bill

                 says '99 instead of '98.  So that's the real

                 change.  In other words, there's no

                 substantive change.

                            What the bill does is -- it's

                 passed this House twice, by the way.  Passed

                 last year by a vote of 56 to nothing.

                            What the bill does is is really a,

                 primarily it is a revision and a change of the

                 sexual assault statutes in this state.  And

                 the public publicity on this bill says about

                 24 years.  In reality, some of these statutes

                 are older than that.  There's pieces of this





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                 bill I think are about 40 or 50 years old.  It

                 revises some statues that, frankly, we've been

                 looking to revise for many, many years.

                 Forget the issue of upgrading penalties, which

                 is in this bill.  We actually make some

                 changes in definitions which court cases have

                 done over the period of years.

                            There really are, I think, other

                 than the upgrades in penalties, which I think

                 are very important, and the upgrades in

                 definitions, there's about four areas that, in

                 all honesty, are, you know, the most important

                 areas in this bill.

                            First of all, there are several

                 areas that go beyond the issue -- and I want

                 to put this right up front because that

                 question came up last year.  We might as well

                 deal with it right up front.  As you know, I'm

                 a great believer in that.  The prosecutor

                 appeal provision in this bill, which means

                 that a prosecutor can appeal a lenient

                 sentence or bail, if you read it literally, it

                 goes beyond the issue of just what's in the

                 Sexual Assault Reform Bill.  It actually would

                 apply to other situations beyond this bill.





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                 Just so that you're aware.  In other words,

                 this doesn't just apply to sexual assault and

                 to the sexual assault provision of this bill.

                 It would apply in general to other sentencing

                 structures and so forth.  So that prosecutor

                 appeal provision is beyond just the issue of

                 what's in this bill.

                            Of course, that provision was also,

                 I believe, in one of the other Governor's

                 bills, one of the other Governor's procedural

                 bills, which we've passed for the last several

                 years also.  Just so that everyone

                 understands.

                            Second thing is, this bill would

                 set up a, what essentially is a new crime,

                 although some would argue that the crime has

                 always been there, of so-called date rape

                 crime.  It modernizes, as I call it, the

                 provisions and makes it easier to deal with

                 the so-called issue of date rape.

                            Somebody said just recently on a

                 local program, that you don't like the word

                 date rape because rape is rape.  And I think

                 that's true.  But because of the nature of how

                 these situations happen and the use of special





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                 drugs, in many cases, and things like that,

                 there are some provisions in this bill that

                 would deal with, unfortunately, the changes

                 that have occurred in society that make

                 so-called date rape a problem.

                            Thirdly, there's an expansion in

                 here of the use of DNA.  It would allow for

                 greater use of DNA evidence in sex crimes.  It

                 is something, by the way, that, as I said,

                 some of the Assembly people said, "But that's

                 an expansion from last year's bill."

                 Actually, just I think some didn't realize

                 last year that that was in this bill, but it

                 was actually -- it's been in this bill for the

                 last several years.

                            Another provision in here relates

                 to the expansion of Senator Skelos's -

                 Senator Skelos passed this bill called Megan's

                 Law.  And it provides the registry provisions,

                 the community notification provisions as

                 regards sexual assaults.  That's a natural

                 part of this bill in a way, since you're

                 changing so many provisions involved in the

                 sex laws, you'd almost have to do that to keep

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                            And, finally, one of the things

                 this does is somewhat controversial, although

                 it shouldn't be really controversial since the

                 courts have already thrown out, it eliminates

                 the marital exemption, the so-called marital

                 exemption, rape exemption, so forth, which

                 the courts have said is illegal, anyways.

                 Although, we've never actually eliminated it

                 from the Penal Law, this bill would eliminate

                 the so-called marital exemption from the Penal

                 Law, which means, obviously, that a husband or

                 wife could be charged with rape if the

                 situation accorded itself.  That is primarily

                 the law now because, as I say, courts have

                 said that it is the law, but we've never

                 changed it.

                            That basically is the bill.  It is

                 a comprehensive bill.  It has a lot of

                 provisions in it, but it is primarily, I would

                 think you'd have to characterize it as a major

                 upgrading and enhancing of the entire sexual

                 assault provisions in the Penal Law of this

                 State.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    Madam President,

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                 yield to a question or two?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Volker,

                 do you yield?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Madam President,

                 I yield to the Senator from New York City from

                 Queens.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Waldon.  I assume he's referring to you.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Yes.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    We're not yet in

                 step, but we're getting there.

                            Senator, one of the concerns I had

                 regarding this proposal and we discussed it in

                 committee and maybe it would be helpful to our

                 colleagues if you were to speak to the issue

                 of prior bad acts.

                            Traditionally, in this country and

                 in this state, for a prior criminal behavior

                 or propensity to be introduced, the rule has

                 been or at lease the practice has been that

                 there was a conviction attached to it.  You

                 don't necessarily, other than perhaps the

                 Mollino (phonetically) situation, introduce

                 evidence of prior acts without conviction.

                            One, in your explanation of prior





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                 bad acts, would you tell us whether or not a

                 conviction is required?

                            And, two, could you define it for

                 us so that we'll all understand it?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Well, I think,

                 Senator, that there is a, there is a limited

                 use of, as you know, in this bill, of the use

                 of prior bad acts.  Although, the way it's,

                 the way it's couched, it does allow

                 protections for somebody who would be in this

                 kind of a situation.  And as we discussed in

                 committee, in many cases, this sort of thing

                 occurs anyways in the sentencing process.  But

                 it is -- given the nature of sex crimes today,

                 it seems as if this, this type of provision

                 really can make sense in drawing a parallel or

                 a -- in setting up an evidentiary trail.  And

                 I think the defendant has the right, as you

                 know, all the way along the line to make

                 objections and to bring in his or her own

                 evidence.  And it would -- what it does really

                 is to, I think, of course, sort of modernize

                 the way criminal justice statutes are couched

                 pretty well in other states in the union.

                 We're not, by any means, we're not breaking





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                 new ground here.  What this really is doing

                 is, I think, putting New York law into a

                 situation that is very similar to what most of

                 the major states in the union already have, as

                 I understand it.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    Would the

                 gentleman yield again, Madam President?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Certainly.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Waldon.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    Senator, there's

                 another area which you've already addressed

                 which causes me some concern and you explained

                 it to us, but I would like to ask, if you

                 know, why the ability to appeal the lenient

                 sentence component, the unduly lenient

                 sentences was put here applicable to crimes

                 other than a sex assault bill.  Would it not

                 have been better that it were placed in the

                 particular area; i.e., a particular crime that

                 the Governor wanted it applied to, as opposed

                 to now having the ability to expand it from

                 this crime to all other crimes?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    I can't say as I

                 know, except that you and I are well aware





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                 that the district attorneys have asked for the

                 right to appeal lenient sentences and bail for

                 many, many years.

                            And, as I said, this provision

                 actually was also in the -- what is it called?

                 The Procedural Reform Act of 19 -- well, it

                 was '97 or '98, and now it's going to be '99

                 again, which the Governor, I believe, had sent

                 to us.

                            I can't answer specifically why

                 it's in here, but I think a major reason it's

                 in here is that one of the areas I think that

                 many of the prosecutors feel most strongly

                 about is in the area of sex crimes and where

                 they would like the ability at least to make,

                 to make an appeal where, for one reason or

                 another, they feel that the decision was

                 improper.  And under the present rules of

                 evidence, of course, they can't do that.

                            So I guess the answer would be, and

                 although I haven't been officially told this,

                 I'm just speculating, that the reason I think

                 it's in there is because of, specifically

                 because this is a specific area where it's a

                 problem and I think the Governor's people





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                 probably felt that this was an appropriate

                 place to make the changes.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    The last

                 question in this line of question, Madam

                 President, would the gentleman yield again?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Volker,

                 do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Yes, I certainly

                 will.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Waldon.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.  Thank you, Senator.

                            Senator, will this proposal, that

                 bill, if it becomes law, interfere with,

                 severely, I should say, interfere with

                 judicial discretion in terms of sentencing?

                            I'm speaking now about the

                 sentencing appeal reform part of the proposal.

                 Does it take away the judge's discretion to

                 properly sentence an individual?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    This bill, I

                 don't think, would really -- I suppose it

                 would make some limitations, but you and I

                 know the limitations, that many of the





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                 limitations were already made by Jenna's Law.

                 And there's proposal by the Governor this year

                 to further provide definite sentencing.  And I

                 don't know if you could characterize it as

                 limiting.  You could, in a sense, limit the

                 judge's discretion.  Of course, when you do

                 definite sentencing, the judge already knows

                 that when he makes a sentence, he knows what's

                 going to happen.  In other words, it's going

                 to be six, seven and so forth.

                            So I don't know if you could really

                 say that this bill necessarily creates any

                 more major limitations.  What it will do,

                 however, is give the judge the ability to give

                 more severe sentences, and that's pretty

                 clear.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    Thank you

                 Senator.

                            Madam President, on the bill.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Yes.  Go ahead,

                 Senator Waldon, on the bill.

                            SENATOR WALDON:    Thank you very

                 much, Madam President.

                            To my colleagues, when we were in

                 committee, if you recall, I voted without





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                 recommendation.  I had some concerns about the

                 bad acts phrase, prior bad acts.  I had some

                 concern about the sentencing component.  I had

                 some concern about the ability to appeal

                 unduly lenient sentences.

                            And though I still have a

                 smattering of those concerns, when I think of

                 the type of crimes that we're addressing with

                 this proposal, it becomes extremely difficult

                 for me, from a conscience perspective and from

                 a moral perspective, from a man who has a

                 daughter, who has a wife of 37 years, soon to

                 be 38 -- she still lives with me.  I don't

                 understand why, but she still is -- to know

                 that they can be endangered by the predators

                 in the street who commit these heinous acts,

                 and, therefore, despite the shortcoming, as I

                 see them, of this proposal, I must support

                 this legislation.  I think we need to send a

                 signal and a message which says that there are

                 certain acts, no matter what, you cannot

                 permit them to be pervaded against the people

                 of this great state.  So I would encourage my

                 colleagues to support this proposal and to

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                            Thank you, Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            Would the sponsor yield to a

                 question?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, do you

                 yield?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Absolutely,

                 Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                            I would just like to request a

                 clarification that this bill would eliminate

                 the consensual sodomy statute.  That it's

                 removed as a sex offense or a misconduct?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Senator, you're

                 right.  I didn't specifically -- I had

                 mentioned the marital exemption.  That's one

                 thing I forgot to mention.

                            You are right.  It -- in fact, I

                 said that that was the other side of the coin

                 that I was going to mention.

                            As you know, the courts have





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                 essentially -- well, they have already said

                 that consensual sodomy statute is illegal,

                 inoperative.  This bill would eliminate that

                 provision which has already declared

                 inoperative from the Penal Law.  That's true.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                            And one final question, Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Is reform of

                 serial rape, is that issue addressed in this

                 bill?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Not really.  I

                 think what you're -- I think what you're --I

                 know what you're talking about.

                            You could argue that this would

                 certainly improve the ability to deal with

                 serial rape, but I think that there are some

                 other legislation that will be coming forth

                 that would more thoroughly deal with the issue

                 of serial rape.  But this would, in this

                 sense, that we're toughening up the penalties

                 and raising the penalties, so that you could

                 actually, you could actually sentence a person





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                 who is a serial rapist to much longer terms.

                 But, in reality, there are still, I think,

                 some things that need to be done in the area

                 of serial rapists.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    One final moment,

                 Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    On the bill,

                 Senator?

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    All right.  You

                 may proceed on the bill.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    I'm intending on

                 voting yes on this bill; however, I had made

                 the comment when we voted on a serial rape

                 bill last week that I thought that that would

                 have been better addressed in this bill.  And

                 I continue to believe that.  And I am

                 disappointed that that was not, if, as it

                 seems to be the case, it is not, and my

                 reading of it says it is not part of this.

                            Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.  I rise just to echo a few





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                 sentiments that my colleague, Senator Waldon,

                 mentioned and that were subject of discussion

                 with respect to the bad acts language in this

                 statute.

                            I agree with Senator Waldon that

                 most of this bill does good things.  I'm

                 concerned about the bad acts provision because

                 of the danger -- just let me rattle off a

                 couple of them.  The bad act that is used as

                 the basis for evidence in a felony case is a

                 bad act relating to a misdemeanor.  The bad

                 act that's used as evidence in an intentional

                 case, is the bad acts of a non-intentional

                 conduct.  The bad act that is used in the

                 case, potentially, could be the kind of bad

                 act which results in a conviction which is

                 later overturned on appeal.  All of that bad

                 acts information can come before trial, and

                 the danger of bad act information is that it

                 creates a mini trial within a trial.  That is,

                 it requires proof of the bad act and then a

                 defense of the bad act before it can be

                 considered by the jury on the substantive

                 issue of the trial.

                            I would just suggest, Senator





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                 Volker, I understand the experiment.  It's

                 been tried with the federal government.  The

                 federal government has done this, I believe,

                 since 1994.  I don't know that the jury is in,

                 so to speak, on whether that has achieved the

                 goal of a better administration of justice in

                 the federal system.  But what I would suggest

                 is, because this provision really extends,

                 especially, in the area of sexual assault,

                 where intent and levels of crimes depend on

                 all kinds of factors, age, intent, conduct, a

                 wide gamut of conduct, I would just urge you

                 to consider a sunset provision in this portion

                 of the bill, so that at some point, five years

                 from now, seven years from now, we'll force

                 ourselves to go back and look and see whether

                 the bad acts language has actually promoted

                 justice, or, and it runs this risk whenever

                 you allow unindicted acts to be a part of

                 someone's trial, it runs a serious risk that

                 other issues will affect the guilt or

                 innocence of a perpetrator rather than the

                 specific crime that he's charged with.

                            I understand this as an experiment

                 and an extension, to some extent, of New York





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                 law.  But I think it's one that we owe

                 ourselves the obligation and the prudent

                 administration of justice at some point in the

                 future to go back and take a look at, because

                 it does run a serious risk of putting

                 defendants in a situation where they are

                 defending themselves for something other than

                 the acts for which they are indicted.  And

                 it's an experiment.  I understand, as Senator

                 Waldon said, that it's in this specific area

                 of sexual assault it may be justified.

                            I'm going to vote for this bill

                 despite my concerns about this, but I just

                 would like the sponsor to consider a sunset

                 provision so we'll force ourselves to go back

                 and look at whether this has done what we

                 wanted it to do.

                            Thank you, Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Thank you,

                 Senator.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 46, this

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

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                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 57.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            That completes the reading of the

                 controversial calendar.

                            Senator Skelos -- Senator Bonacic.

                 Excuse me.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Madam

                 President, is there any housekeeping at the

                 desk?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    No, there is not,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Oppenheimer.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Madam

                 President, I'd like to move to discharge from

                 the Codes Committee Senate Bill 1147.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Motions and

                 resolutions?

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    No, this is

                 a -- excuse me.  This was a Senate -- this is

                 a motion to discharge Senate Bill 1147 from

                 Codes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Secretary will





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                 read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar -

                 Senate Print 1147, by Senator Oppenheimer, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, the Civil Rights

                 Law and the Criminal Procedure Law.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Oppenheimer, go ahead.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Thank you.

                            This is the Clinic Access Bill that

                 has already passed in the Assembly and I

                 believe we discussed it a bit last week.

                            This bill is, simply, it's an

                 anti-violence bill.  We hope to protect the

                 doctors, the healthcare workers, the women who

                 want to access the healthcare facilities.

                 We're now seeing, in recent years, some really

                 despicable things are happening.  We are

                 seeing bombings and murders.  And it's really

                 spread nationwide to healthcare facilities in

                 many of our different states, in Oklahoma,

                 Massachusetts, Florida, Alabama, and, of

                 course, recently, right here in New York.  And

                 we see that the providers of reproductive

                 healthcare are living and working in constant





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                 fear of intimidation and even of death since

                 Dr. Slepian's murder.  And they've been forced

                 to install metal detectors and security

                 systems, not only in their offices but many

                 have had to put it into their homes.  And when

                 they go to work a lot of these workers are

                 going in bulletproof vests.  This is a

                 outrage.

                            This bill is also about freedom of

                 access to reproductive healthcare.  If you

                 think of a woman trying to access her, her

                 healthcare, and she is walking in in order to

                 get a variety of services.  It could be a

                 prenatal care service.  It could be cervical

                 cancer screening.  It could be a breast cancer

                 screening.  It could be HIV testing.  It could

                 be for an abortion.  But the fact is she is

                 merely, she is simply exercising her civil

                 right to go to her, her doctor, to her

                 healthcare provider.  And the existing law is

                 simply inadequate to protect the civil rights

                 of these women and the people who are

                 providing her with her healthcare.

                            And the senseless violence and the

                 threatening atmosphere, they simply have to





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                 end.  And we have seen a growing public

                 outrage over what has been happening in recent

                 years.  And I think this really has to move

                 us.

                            This bill will prohibit harassment

                 at clinics, at offices, and at homes.  It will

                 increase from misdemeanor to felonies certain

                 criminal penalties, it will also establish

                 certain civil remedies, it specifically

                 protects First Amendment activity by

                 anti-choice protestors and it provides for

                 injunctive relief.

                            This bill, as you know, has passed

                 many times in the Assembly and it is time that

                 we pass it here in the Senate, because

                 protecting speech should not require that

                 healthcare providers go to work in bulletproof

                 vests.

                            I have a couple of -- in the last

                 couple of -- actually, today, we've received

                 some support memos.  And I'd like just to read

                 a few lines from a couple of them.

                            The League of Women Voters of New

                 York State has sent a memorandum in support.

                 And this is an organization that very





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                 carefully thinks through its positions and is

                 well regarded by all for the thought that goes

                 into their statements.  "The League of Women

                 Voters of New York State strongly supports

                 this legislation.  It would empower state and

                 local officials to curb the escalating

                 harassment, intimidation and violence of women

                 seeking primary and preventive healthcare as

                 well as reproductive healthcare."  As I have

                 mentioned earlier.  "It also provides adequate

                 safeguards for First Amendment free speech

                 activities and for peaceful protests."

                            One of our grave concerns is that

                 these peaceful protests sometimes escalate

                 into violence and, often, people who are not

                 stable emotionally, can bring from these

                 peaceful protests, semi-peaceful protests,

                 semi-violent protests, can bring from it a

                 violence which erupts into the kind of thing

                 that we saw with the murder of Dr. Barnet

                 Slepian.

                            From Family Planning Advocates

                 today we received:  "No one questions the

                 rights of anti-abortion activists to

                 peacefully protest, but with free speech comes





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                 the legal responsibility to refrain from

                 infringing upon the Constitutional rights of

                 others.  When free speech grows into a

                 campaign of terrorism and obstruction, with

                 the goal of closing facilities and eliminating

                 healthcare providers, it's time to examine the

                 effectiveness of the legal system in

                 protecting law abiding, innocent citizens."  A

                 very forceful statement.

                            And the last thing I want to bring

                 to your attention is, yesterday, in my local

                 paper, Westchester County, we had a letter to

                 the editor, which is fairly brief and I'd like

                 to read it because I think it makes the case

                 beyond dispute.  It comes from Francine Stein,

                 who is the President and CEO of Planned

                 Parenthood Hudson-Peconic, and it serves

                 Suffolk, Westchester, Rockland and Putnam.

                            "The verdict issued February 2nd by

                 an Oregon jury in Planned Parenthood vs. ACLA

                 speaks for the American people, as a country

                 we will not tolerate violence nor threats of

                 violence."

                            I'm not sure if many of you know

                 what happened a few days ago in Oregon.  There





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                 was a verdict in the Federal Court and the

                 jury found in favor of Planned Parenthood and

                 a group of doctors with a verdict that imposed

                 the largest judgment, it's more than a hundred

                 and seven million dollars to date, on militant

                 abortion antagonists.  That happened about

                 less than a week ago.

                            "The Nuremberg Files web site and

                 wanted posters" -- those are those posters

                 that have the picture with "wanted" and the

                 face and underneath it wanted -- "were death

                 threats, plain and simple death threats.  They

                 clearly ventured beyond First Amendment

                 protections into realms of violence,

                 intimidation and domestic terrorism."

                            For those of you that are not aware

                 of what I'm talking about, this web site used

                 words such as Nuremberg Files and these wanted

                 posters and lists of doctors with a line drawn

                 through the name of a doctor after he or she

                 was killed.  And the jury said, in this Oregon

                 case, that this amounted to a death, death

                 threats.

                            To continue with Ms. Stein's

                 letter.  "We applaud the jury and turn to our





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                 local legislators to maintain the momentum

                 with legislation to protect our medical center

                 staff and clients.

                            "At Planned Parenthood, we respect

                 and defend everyone's rights to free

                 expression.  However, the lines that separate

                 free speech from violent hateful, inflammatory

                 language, personal attacks and direct

                 intimidation cannot be clouded.  The message

                 must carry further that, as a society, we will

                 not tolerate threatening behavior.  We ask the

                 New York State Senate to see beyond the thin

                 vails of political and religious rhetoric.

                 Clinic access laws are necessary to protect

                 and defend both our rights to access medical

                 services and our rights to peaceful free

                 expression."

                            Now, this was written by the

                 president of Planned Parenthood for much of

                 the downstate area, a wonderful woman who has

                 spent inordinate money to put up metal

                 detectors and issue bulletproof vests.  And

                 that is not her goal in life.  Her goal is to

                 provide the best medical care she can for

                 women.  And to utilize money in this way is,





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                 in itself, a crime.

                            And I was very pleased to read

                 Frankie Stein's letter.

                            I urge that this be discharged from

                 Committee.

                            Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Thank you,

                 Senator.

                            Senator Schneiderman.

                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.

                            This is a problem we face for which

                 there is a solution.  And I think it is an

                 opportunity for us, but it's also an

                 obligation that we take on as members of a

                 legislature.  We know the scope of this

                 problem.  It has been documented.  We also

                 know the effect of clinic access laws at the

                 federal level and in other states.

                            The problem, as we discussed

                 last week and as Senator Oppenheimer has

                 stated, is that we have a network of

                 militant anti-abortion activists who are

                 seeking to accomplish by violence what

                 they have been unable to accomplish at





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                 the ballot box or in the courts.  They

                 want to end abortion rights for all of

                 the women of New York State.

                            The scope of the problem was set

                 forth rather clearly, if not with the view

                 that it was a problem, in Operation Rescue's

                 January newsletter, which just came out, which

                 detailed that in the last 10 years there are

                 579 fewer clinics providing abortion services

                 in the United States, 500 clinics have closed

                 in the past six years alone, 84 percent of the

                 counties in America have no abortion provider,

                 and the number of medical schools teaching

                 abortion procedures has fallen 50 percent

                 since 1987.  The campaign of harassment has

                 had an affect.  It is a very serious problem,

                 but we do have a solution, at least a partial

                 solution, in the clinic access legislation

                 we're seeking to have discharged today.

                            Since the face bill was passed at

                 the federal level and 12 other states passed

                 clinics access laws several years ago, clinic

                 violence has dropped precipitously; 52 percent

                 of clinics reported severe violence prior to

                 face passing in 1997, the last year for which





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                 we have accurate statistics.  The number was

                 just over 25 percent.  However, in New York

                 State we are not getting this benefit.  And

                 where we have a problem and we have a

                 solution, I think it is our obligation as a

                 legislature to take action.

                            In New York State, the campaign

                 continues.  There has been an announcement

                 that on April 18th, Operation Rescue will

                 descend in force in Rochester and Buffalo to

                 close the clinics in those cities.

                            Over half the counties in New York

                 State already do not have abortion providers

                 and we have lost 23 providers in the last four

                 years.  This is a problem that has a solution.

                            The Assembly has overwhelmingly

                 passed a clinic access bill.  The Governor,

                 since we were last here on this subject last

                 week, has introduced and released a program

                 bill substantially similar in all critical

                 respects to the Assembly bill.  And I believe

                 it is our obligation as the Senate to take

                 action on this important issue.

                            I would like to echo Senator

                 Oppenheimer in her recognition of the League





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                 of Women Voters.  This is not an issue that is

                 limited to pro-choice activists.  This is an

                 issue for all New Yorkers who believe in

                 public safety and believe that doctors should

                 be allowed to practice medicine, women should

                 be allowed access to their doctors without

                 threats, harassment or intimidation.  And I'm

                 very pleased and honored that we have the

                 Legislative Director of the League of Women

                 Voters in the gallery with us today, Barbara

                 Bartoletti.

                            Others are coming forward with I

                 think a very clear message.  This is a problem

                 we can solve this year, we should solve this

                 year and that the Clinics Access Bill, which

                 we have introduced, which I think has

                 overwhelmingly support around the state should

                 be passed.

                            I want to say one word about one

                 provision that several of my Republican

                 colleagues have asked me about since I spoke

                 last week.  And that's the necessity of having

                 civil remedies in the bill.  As recognized by

                 the Governor when he put in his program bill,

                 civil remedies are essential for two reasons:





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                            One, you need to have a provision

                 for injunctive relief if you're going to

                 protect people's homes and clinics

                 perspectively.

                            Second, and this is something that

                 I've personally had experience with.  People

                 of good conscience in this state disagree on

                 the issue of abortion rights.  There are many

                 local law enforcement officials who do not

                 want to enforce laws, do not want to protect

                 clinics, and it is a matter of conscience and

                 I don't seek to judge them.  But you have to

                 provide people who live in a police precinct

                 or in a county or in a state, if the attorney

                 general is anti-choice, the ability to go to

                 court on their own to seek relief.

                            And with those comments I look

                 forward to speaking further with our

                 Republican colleagues.  This is a bill we must

                 pass this session.  I suggest that with all of

                 the other heavy things on our agenda that we

                 get it out of the way early, and I urge

                 everyone to vote to discharge the bill today.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Duane.

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                 much, Madam President.

                            I absolutely feel a sense of

                 urgency and I believe very strongly that there

                 is an urgent need for us to pass this

                 legislation immediately.  And I say that

                 speaking as someone who many, many mornings

                 got up when it was way past dark, in fact, at

                 a time that when I was younger I probably

                 would have been going to bed, to go and stand

                 at clinics and escort women inside, past

                 screaming protesters and people blocking

                 entrances.  I've stood at entrances to make

                 sure that the path was clear so that women

                 could go inside and get reproductive services.

                            The loss of reproductive services

                 around the state is a terrible, terrible thing

                 to have happen, and it continues to happen

                 every day because providing reproductive

                 services is now dangerous work.  I believe

                 that healthcare is a right.  And reproductive

                 services, including access to abortion, is

                 healthcare, and healthcare is a right.

                            Clinic access has worked well in

                 New York City but, unfortunately, that has

                 made it so that the focus has been on other





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                 parts of the state.  Now, today is the time

                 for us to make sure that all the New Yorkers

                 and all people who provide healthcare in New

                 York are provided the same level of safety

                 that they are provided in New York City.  And

                 the time for that is now.  The time for that

                 is today.

                            Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Montgomery.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes, Madam

                 President, I would just rise to urge my

                 colleagues to give us an opportunity to really

                 fully address this legislation.

                            It is important because I think

                 this is a legislation that speaks to the worst

                 kind of bias that we have right now in our

                 state, and that is that there is an attack on

                 health services or access to health services

                 by women.  That means, every woman in this

                 Chamber, as well as every other woman in the

                 state.

                            Healthcare and health service for

                 women involves every single aspect of our

                 bodies, including our sexuality and including





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                 our desires to make choices about what happens

                 to us.  So this is not just for women who are

                 necessarily seeking an abortion.  It's also

                 for women, many of whom, like myself, attend

                 clinics that are specifically designated as a

                 women's clinic.  It's because I feel

                 comfortable there, it's because that that is

                 how I choose to seek my own healthcare.

                            I do not -- I wish that my doctor

                 not have her life jeopardized because she is

                 the physician in a women's clinic.  I don't

                 know if other women may be seeking an

                 abortion.  I certainly am not.  I'm seeking

                 healthcare.  But I have a right and every

                 other woman that enters that clinic along with

                 me has a right to be safe and to feel

                 comfortable and to have access to every single

                 type of healthcare that we need.

                            And so this is extremely important.

                 It is important to every single woman in the

                 State of New York that we should be able to go

                 and get healthcare as every male in the State

                 of New York.  Males are not threatened in the

                 same way.  So this clearly is an anti-bias

                 bill.  It is anti-bias against us because of





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                 our gender, purely and simple.

                            So we need to do this because this

                 is really an important step in the direction

                 of securing the right of every woman, no

                 matter what income, no matter what station in

                 life, no matter what age, no matter what

                 color, no matter what our beliefs are.  All of

                 us should have equal right to access

                 healthcare.

                            So, please, let's -- let's allow

                 this legislation to come to the floor so that

                 we can all vote on it, vote our consciences on

                 it and pass it to protect women in this state.

                            Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.

                            I rise just to tell my colleagues a

                 brief story about, not the exercise of

                 Constitutional rights but the exercise of

                 Constitutional duties.

                            The day we came over here for the

                 State-of-the-State speech, I was walking

                 through the concourse and I saw a man standing





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                 there with a sign that, in my judgment, was

                 totally offensive to my Jewish colleagues.

                 And I looked at him and I thought, here's a

                 man with an expression of hate but he has a

                 Constitutional right to stand in the concourse

                 and express that hate and I have a

                 Constitutional duty to walk past him and come

                 to this Chamber and do what the people of this

                 state elected me to do.

                            And now, as I sit here and we

                 debate that motion to discharge, I can't help

                 but think what would happen if in order to get

                 into this Chamber, the 61 people who come here

                 to do the duty that the voters sent us here to

                 do, had to walk through a group of people who

                 stood there and told you that you were going

                 to hell if you went into that Chamber, told

                 you that you would be a victim of violence,

                 told us that we know we're watching you, we

                 now that something may happen to you?

                 Wouldn't it be a terrible thing if your tires

                 were slashed while you were over in the

                 Chamber?  Wouldn't it be a terrible thing if

                 you got a letter at your house, hate mail,

                 that said, "We know who you are.  We know what





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                 you're doing when you cast those votes in the

                 Senate Chamber"?  And what if they stood in a

                 line and watched us go back and forth and

                 whispered to us, "Oh, by the way, you better

                 watch your backside" or "you easily could be

                 shot at by a sniper," which is what happened

                 when Senator Oppenheimer noted unfortunately

                 and tragically in Buffalo.

                            Would it change our minds about

                 what we do here today, if we had to walk that

                 gauntlet of hate and intimidation to get into

                 this building?

                            Is there any doubt in any of the 61

                 minds that are going to vote on this bill

                 that, if we had to endure that to vote in this

                 Chamber, that there would be a bill that would

                 be out of the Codes Committee like that

                 (snapping of fingers) that would guarantee,

                 guarantee that we could walk safely from the

                 LOB over here, that would make it a crime to

                 harass and annoy and try to interfere with our

                 Constitutional duty to exercise our voting

                 power?

                            And is there any doubt in your

                 minds that there would be instantaneously out





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                 of the Codes Committee and on the floor of

                 this Chamber a bill that would give the

                 executive power, the attorney general or an

                 individual senator the right to go into court

                 and proceed through civil law and obtain the

                 protection of injunctive relief to prevent

                 someone from harassing or annoying or

                 threatening us in the exercise of our

                 Constitutional duty?

                            No doubt in my mind that that bill

                 would be passed unanimously.  It would join

                 the list of the other eight bills that we've

                 done today that have all passed without a

                 single opposing vote.

                            Why, my colleagues, if we would

                 protect our Constitutional right that way in

                 this Chamber, we, who are people of influence

                 and power, why won't we give women who live in

                 Rochester, women who live in Buffalo, who live

                 in Syracuse, who live in Oneonta, women who

                 may be desperate, women who may be seeking

                 healthcare that they can't find anyplace else,

                 why would we leave them all by themselves to

                 walk through that gauntlet without the

                 protection of the criminal law and the civil





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                 law respecting their Constitutional right?

                            Why would we have one standard for

                 ourselves and another for poor, largely

                 defenseless, largely all alone women seeking

                 healthcare?

                            Explain to me how we, in this

                 Chamber, would be so quick to protect

                 ourselves and seemingly are so slow to protect

                 them?

                            There's a way to give those women

                 that protection, and the way is to take this

                 bill offered by Senator Oppenheimer, vote to

                 discharge it from the Codes Committee, a

                 unanimous vote to discharge it and a unanimous

                 vote to give this protection that we would

                 always give ourselves, that protection from

                 annoyance, that protection from threat, that

                 protection from physical harm, what we would

                 clearly do for ourselves.

                            Let's send a message to everyone in

                 this state that we still believe that women

                 who need healthcare have that same entitlement

                 to protection.  We shouldn't live in a world

                 with a double standard.  Let's create one

                 standard in this state, if your Constitutional





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                 rights are threatened in your attempts to

                 access healthcare, let's make it a crime and

                 let's give the message that we, in New York,

                 respect that choice.  It's that simple.

                            Vote to discharge this bill, put it

                 on the floor, bring it up for debate.  Let's

                 make it law and send that message that we

                 respect everyone's exercise of their

                 Constitutional rights.

                            Thank you, Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Thank you,

                 Senator.

                            All in favor of accepting the

                 motion to discharge, signify by saying aye.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    I'd just like

                 to thank Senator Oppenheimer for leading off

                 the debate and really setting forth the

                 necessity to pass legislation at this point to

                 provide for effective clinic access in this

                 state, and Senator Schneiderman, who told us

                 last week that one of his first employment

                 situations in life was to work as a health





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                 services worker in a reproductive services

                 clinic, and thank him for his tireless work on

                 the subject for a number of years and through

                 the past few months and to welcome that type

                 of effort as a member of this Chamber.

                            Senator Duane told us about the

                 effectiveness of clinic access in New York

                 City and Senator Montgomery distinguished the

                 issue of choice from the need for use of

                 reproductive services clinics.  And I think

                 that we all were quite moved by the stirring

                 remarks that Senator Dollinger made in giving

                 us really the overview and in many senses the

                 passion for why all of us should support this

                 legislation.

                            We have two conferences here.  We

                 differ on many issues and, in many respects,

                 much policy.  But within our conferences, we

                 have members who are referring to themselves

                 as pro-choice and those who are not, we have

                 members in both sides of the aisle who would

                 consider themselves to be pro-life and those

                 who are not.  We have all a regard for First

                 Amendment privileges and we certainly all

                 would want the law enforced with respect to





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                 those who would violate the rights of others

                 and particularly to manifest it in violence.

                 And so this is why at this particular time we

                 in the Minority conference have brought the

                 motion for discharge here today, this is why

                 we brought what would be an addendum to the

                 very positive legislation that Senator Balboni

                 introduced last week.  And speaking on behalf

                 of leadership, I would just like to point out

                 that we are going to continue to foster the

                 wishes of those who want to come to Albany to

                 lobby to persuade all of you who may vote

                 against this motion today, that we have to

                 pass some kind of access legislation that will

                 make our clinics safe and give those who

                 certainly go to them free choice.  What we aim

                 to do is to continue this fight until there is

                 such a time that we have passed this

                 legislation.  And we will be back and we will

                 continue to come back until we see that it's

                 passed.

                            We're happy to see that the

                 Governor and many others have offered pieces

                 of legislation and have lent their voices to

                 what would be the effort to try to provide





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                 free access to clinics.  But we will not be

                 satisfied and there's no way that we can be

                 satisfied until the legislation is actually

                 passed.

                            It is difficult for all of us to

                 reconcile what might be our ideological

                 beliefs with the certainty of the crisis that

                 often drives women to these clinics.  Many of

                 them go there actually identifying themselves

                 as pro-life, but because of the situation they

                 realize they might not be able to live up to

                 what they thought they believed in the past.

                 Many of those may have been pro-choice, but

                 because of the reproductive services that are

                 provided, they may not choose to go in that

                 direction.  Many of these women come to these

                 clinics alone.  Many of the women are sent by

                 men who are actually saying that they're

                 against choice, but when the situation came,

                 struck into the reality of their lives, they

                 urges their partner to do something different.

                            In many ways, the awareness of time

                 is cylindrical.  And this is why in a free

                 society and in a democracy we have to give

                 individuals the right to exercise their free





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                 choice and we cannot allow that choice to be

                 impeded in any way by those who are

                 deliberately, because they haven't been

                 effective in the courts and because they

                 haven't been effective in the legislature,

                 manifesting their anger in a way as to

                 intimidate, deny or often physically force

                 those into a position that they don't believe.

                            And so we will be supporting this

                 motion as a party with a party vote, with no

                 exceptions, in favor of the motion.

                            I certainly urge my colleagues on

                 the other side of the aisle to support it.  It

                 is not a vote for ideology.  It is a vote that

                 is designed to stop the violence and to

                 provide for free choice in the use of

                 healthcare services.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    All in favor of

                 accepting the motion to discharge, signify by

                 saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Party vote in

                 the affirmative.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Bonacic.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Party vote in





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                 the negative.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 23.  Nays

                 35.  Party vote.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The motion is

                 defeated.

                            Senator Bonacic.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Madam

                 President, there being no further business, I

                 move we adjourn until Tuesday, February 9th,

                 at 11 a.m.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    On motion, the

                 Senate now stands adjourned until Tuesday,

                 February 9th, at 11 a.m.

                            (Whereupon, at 4:20 p.m., the

                 Senate adjourned.)