Regular Session - February 22, 1999

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                           NEW YORK STATE SENATE





                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD







                             ALBANY, NEW YORK

                             February 22, 1999

                                 3:05 p.m.



                              REGULAR SESSION





                 LT. GOVERNOR MARY O. DONOHUE, President

                 STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary





















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                           P R O C E E D I N G S

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate will

                 come to order.

                            I ask that everyone present please

                 rise and repeat with me the Pledge of

                 Allegiance.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The invocation

                 today will be given by Rabbi Nate Segal from

                 New Springville Jewish Center Congregation.

                            RABBI SEGAL:    Our Father in

                 Heaven, we invoke Your blessings upon this

                 august body.  May it be guided by Your

                 commandments and teachings.

                            We are told in the Book of Genesis

                 that God destroyed the world with a flood.

                 After the flood, Noah sent out a dove to see

                 how much the waters receded.  The dove returns

                 with a leaf in its mouth.  The rabbis ask, "If

                 the world was destroyed, where was the tree

                 that the leaf came from?"  Our rabbi's answer,

                 "That the leaf was from a tree that was

                 growing in the Garden of Eden, in Paradise."

                            And the message that the Almighty





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                 was giving to Noah was that the world that was

                 just destroyed was corrupt, the world that

                 Noah was about to rebuild can be a paradise.

                            May Lieutenant Governor Mary

                 Donohue and the New York State Senate, under

                 the leadership of the Honorable Joseph Bruno,

                 President Pro Tem, Minority Leader, the

                 Honorable Martin Connor, never stop dreaming

                 about this ultimate goal.  It inspires you,

                 our esteemed legislators to work tirelessly

                 towards its realization, bringing us a little

                 piece of paradise in a place we call New York

                 State.

                            May God bless this body with the

                 courage and strength you need to be successful

                 in this monumental task.

                            May the spirit of God prevail on

                 this house forever and ever.  Amen.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reading of the

                 Journal.

                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate, Friday

                 February 19.  The Senate met pursuant to

                 adjournment.  The Journal of Thursday,

                 February 18, was read and approved.  On

                 motion, Senate adjourned.





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                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, the Journal stands approved as

                 read.

                            Presentation of petitions.

                            Messages from the Assembly.

                            Messages from the Governor.

                            Reports of standing committees.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco, from the Committee on Tourism,

                 Recreation and Sports Development, reports:

                            Senate Print 1148, by Senator

                 DeFrancisco, an act to amend the Parks,

                 Recreation and Historic Preservation Law; and

                            Senate Print 1153, by Senator

                 DeFrancisco, an act to amend the Parks,

                 Recreation and Historic Preservation Law.

                            Both bills ordered direct for third

                 reading.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, all bills reported direct to third

                 reading.

                            Reports of select committees.

                            Communications and reports from

                 State officers.





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                            Motions and resolutions.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes, Madam

                 President, on page number 9, I offer the

                 following amendments to Calendar Number 98,

                 Senate Print 587, and ask that said bill

                 retains its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendment is

                 received, Senator Skelos, and the bill will

                 retain its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Marcellino.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.

                            On page number 12, I offer the

                 following amendments to Calendar Number 130,

                 Senate Print Number 821, and ask that said

                 bill retain its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendment is

                 received, Senator Marcellino, and the bill





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                 will retain its place at Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            Senator Bruno.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Madam President,

                 I believe that there is a privileged

                 resolution at the desk.  I would ask the title

                 be read and -- by Senator Holland -- and moved

                 for its immediate passage.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

                 Holland, Legislative Resolution 409,

                 commending the New York State Association of

                 Renewal and Housing Officials upon the

                 occasion of its annual breakfast and

                 Affordable Housing Day in Albany, New York on

                 Tuesday, February 23, 1999.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    On the

                 resolution, all those this favor, please

                 signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

                            (No response.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution is

                 adopted.





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                            Senator Bruno.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Madam President,

                 can we return to reports of standing

                 committees.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Yes.  We will so

                 return.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Hoffmann,

                 from the Committee on Agriculture, reports the

                 following bills:

                            Senate Print 697, by Senator

                 Nozzolio, an act to amend the Agriculture and

                 Markets Law;

                            Senate Print 1888, by Senator

                 Padavan, an act to amend the Agriculture and

                 Markets Law; and

                            Senate Print 2160, by Senator

                 Hoffmann, an act to amend the Agriculture and

                 Markets Law.

                            All bills ordered direct for third

                 reading.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, all bills reported direct to third

                 reading.

                            At this time, may we please have





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                 the non-controversial reading of the calendar.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            Thank you, Senator Bruno.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 7, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 103, an act

                 to amend the Penal Law in relation to

                 loitering and the unauthorized boarding of

                 school buses.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 38, by Senator Fuschillo, Senate Print 561, an

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to requiring certain information on

                 disabled children.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect on the 180th day.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 46.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 39, by Senator Fuschillo, Senate Print 562A,

                 an act to -

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay that

                 aside, please.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 40, by Senator Goodman, Senate Print 790, and

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to restricting bus drivers from

                 working with suspended licenses.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 5, this

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 48.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 41, by Senator Johnson, Senate Print 864, an

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to vehicle registrations of motor





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                 carriers.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 48.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 42, by Senator Bruno, Senate Print 908, an act

                 to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to the disqualification of a bus

                 driver in certain instances.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside, Senator Paterson.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 43, by Senator Bruno, Senate Print 909, an act

                 to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to making additional provisions to

                 enhance the safe operation of school buses.





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                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 9, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 September.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 49.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 46, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 1020, an

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to requiring school bus drivers to

                 ensure all passengers have left the bus prior

                 to exiting.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,

                 please.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 47, by Senator Trunzo, Senate Print 1076A, an

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to increasing penalties on motor

                 carriers for violations.





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                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect in 90 days.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 49.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            Senator Bruno, that completes the

                 non-controversial reading of the calendar.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            Can we at this time take up the

                 controversial reading of the calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 7, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 103, an act

                 to amend the Penal Law in relation to

                 loitering and the unauthorized boarding of

                 school buses.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Schneiderman, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    On the





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                 bill, Madam President.

                            I think that the provisions of this

                 bill, as I understand them, S103, are -

                 provides an excellent example of updating and

                 modifying our laws to deal with real public

                 safety problems.

                            I would urge that we undertake a

                 similar effort on a bill that has now has

                 still to see the light of day in the Codes

                 Committee, and I urge the fine chairman of the

                 Codes Committee and our distinguished Majority

                 Leader that we do take up the issue of the

                 clinic access bill before the seven weeks

                 expire and Operation Rescue descends again on

                 Buffalo and Rochester.  Updating and modifying

                 the laws as is done here for school bus safety

                 is a critical part of our roll.  We have a

                 pressing need.  And I once again urge that we

                 take this up as soon as possible in the Codes

                 Committee.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 November.





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                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 49.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 39, by Senator Fuschillo, Senate Print 562A,

                 an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to criminal history checks on school

                 bus attendants.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Fuschillo, an explanation has been requested.

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Madam

                 President, current law gives school districts

                 the option to have criminal background checks.

                 The laws of 1985 passed by this Legislature

                 and signed into law required criminal

                 background checks for school bus drivers and

                 gave the school districts the option for

                 school bus attendants.  I believe it was an

                 oversight.  In most cases, school bus

                 attendants have more direct contact with the

                 children on the bus.

                            This bill would further insure the





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                 safety of the children that we transport.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Madam

                 President, do you think it would be possible

                 that the most distinguished Senator from Long

                 Island would yield for a question?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The most

                 distinguished Senator from Long Island, do you

                 yield?

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Because he

                 phrased it that way, yes, I do, Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson,

                 you may proceed.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator -

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Senator

                 Paterson, were you talking about me or Senator

                 Skelos?

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Oh, I couldn't

                 make a choice with the type of work, the

                 competitive work that both of you do.  But in

                 this case, since it's your bill, I thought I'd

                 ask you the question.

                            A number of the members on this

                 side of the aisle have raised the subject when





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                 we've conferenced on this bill as to the

                 necessity that the applicant pay the fee for

                 the background checks in this particular

                 situation.  Perhaps, to some applicants,

                 particularly those that might not be employed,

                 the question is whether or not the fee would

                 actually serve to preempt their participation

                 in being a candidate to work as a bus driver.

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    No, I don't

                 think so, Senator Paterson.  As I mentioned,

                 this, the law on the books since 1985 required

                 this for school bus drivers.  Most school

                 districts in the State of New York, based on

                 the research that we have done, are also

                 already requiring this for school bus

                 attendants.  So, in answer to your question,

                 no, I don't think so.

                            I think what we have to look at

                 here, Senator Paterson, is that, you know,

                 myself, even as a parent, and many people here

                 and parents throughout the state, we want to

                 know that once our child gets on that bus and

                 is entrusted to the school bus driver or the

                 school bus attendants that would he know that

                 that's a safe haven for the child.





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                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you,

                 Senator.  As usual, I'm persuaded by your

                 answers and your effort, and so, as I did last

                 year, I'll vote for the bill.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect on the 90th day.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 50.  Nays 2.

                            Senators Duane and Smith recorded

                 in the negative.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 42, by Senator Bruno, Senate Print 908, an act

                 to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to the disqualification of a bus

                 driver in certain instances.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation,

                 please.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Bruno, an

                 explanation has been requested.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Thank you, Madam





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                 President.

                            Madam President and colleagues,

                 this is a bill that we passed last year, and

                 in this house it passed 57 to 4, and in the

                 previous year it passed unanimously.  So I

                 think those of you that were here last year

                 and the year before are somewhat familiar with

                 the necessity of this bill becoming law.

                            And, basically, what it does is

                 build on a federal law for random testing of

                 bus drivers for alcohol or drugs.  And with

                 the federal law, there is no way that a school

                 district, even if someone is tested positive,

                 can take that driver's license.  So that,

                 bottom line, what this bill does, if you are

                 found under the influence of drugs or alcohol

                 through the random testing -- and, as you

                 know, you know that the federal law states

                 that a specimen is taken from the person who

                 is found to be under the influence separated

                 into two parts.  And the test is done on one

                 part, because the question always gets to be,

                 "How do you take someone's license?  You might

                 be doing it in an inadvertent way when the

                 person really wasn't guilty."  Well, if you





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                 take the specimen into two parts and a test is

                 performed on one, if it's found to be

                 positive, then the second part is put through

                 another even more sophisticated test.  And if

                 that is found to be positive, then the

                 individual is notified.  If the individual

                 insists, then another test can be taken.  If

                 that test is positive, then the person who is

                 in charge is notified and the person then can

                 lose that person's license because the school

                 district will report the findings to motor

                 vehicle and motor vehicle will revoke the

                 license.  And that's what's different about

                 this bill.

                            The federal law allows the

                 collective bargaining of school districts to

                 keep drivers in place.  In my district, in

                 Shenendehowa, a driver was found under the

                 influence.  Because of the collective

                 bargaining agreement, it was a short time

                 later the bar-- right back behind the wheel,

                 transporting young people under the influence

                 and found again -- (noise in the speaker

                 system).  That's the opposition to this bill.

                 But we're going to overcome that opposition,





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                 Madam President, and go forward.

                            You didn't do that Madam President.

                 No.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    No, certainly

                 not, Senator.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    No.  Thank you.

                            But, this is, this is serious

                 legislation.  And, as I mentioned, we've done

                 this two years before.  This year it has to

                 become law because too many drivers, there are

                 too many tragedies out there.  And these are

                 our young people who are entrusted to people

                 who drive buses.

                            There are a hundred thirty thousand

                 people driving buses in this state,

                 transporting two million children every day.

                 Six hundred nineteen youngsters were injured

                 last year and killed.  We've heard some

                 tragic, tragic occurrences early in January of

                 this year where a six-year-old, beautiful

                 young lady was killed by a bus driver who ran

                 over the child after the child got off the

                 bus.  And we've had instances where, just

                 inadvertently, people who are under the

                 influence have done things like leaving people





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                 on buses where they could have been hurt or

                 worse.  And it's got to stop.  So this is the

                 year that we are going to do everything that

                 we can in this chamber to make sure that the

                 nine bills that are being passed here in the

                 Senate today will pass the Assembly, where

                 they haven't passed previously, and become

                 law.

                            So I'm asking my colleagues in this

                 chamber that support this legislation, to give

                 us your support over in the Assembly, to talk

                 to your colleagues there, many of them on the

                 other side of the aisle from where I am, to

                 pass this legislation and help us make it law.

                            Thank you very much.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Thank you,

                 Senator.  I believe that was your five

                 minutes.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.  Would the Majority Leader

                 yield for some questions related to this bill?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Bruno, do

                 you yield?





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                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Yes, Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    First of all,

                 I don't think that -- there may have been a

                 few individuals who voted against the

                 legislation as it was constructed, but there's

                 no one in this chamber that does not recognize

                 the necessity that there be lawmaking on this

                 particular issue.  It is without question that

                 there has to be greater protection for young

                 people who are being transported back and

                 forth from school.  And I've always gotten up

                 and said that before, Senator Bruno, but in

                 New York City, particularly in the latter

                 three months of last year, there were a rash

                 of situations where young children were left

                 on buses and either fell asleep or weren't

                 noticed by the vehicle driver and woke up

                 hours later.  In one case, a small child was,

                 still had the seat belt on and couldn't get

                 out of the vehicle for over a day.  These are

                 very sad circumstances.  One of them was my

                 daughter.  So I think that while I have had





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                 this kind of understanding of the issue, I

                 don't think I could empathize with the feeling

                 any greater than I have in the past few

                 months.

                            In spite of that fact, there is,

                 there has not been the ability to pass this

                 legislation in both houses and perhaps the

                 discussion that we have today might shed a

                 greater light on the issue that would provide

                 those of us on this side of the aisle with

                 what would be the information and the data

                 that we would need to persuade our colleagues.

                            Therefore, if the Senator has

                 yield, my question, Madam President, is that

                 where the federal government provides for two

                 tests of the specimen, I don't see in the

                 legislation where there is the provision for

                 the second test.  What I see is that there are

                 two specimens that come from the same, from

                 the same reading -- which is what I think the

                 medical term -- and then, if one of them tests

                 positive, they test the other, they test them

                 from different laboratories.  That would

                 certainly establish the integrity of the

                 laboratory tests, since we're using two





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                 different laboratories on the same specimen.

                            However, there's even an individual

                 situation where a former senator, at a certain

                 point, was tested, and because of the

                 consumption of poppy seeds, it registered a

                 false positive.  And regardless of how many

                 specimens there had been and how many

                 laboratories that had tested it, there would

                 have been a false positive not because of the

                 integrity of the laboratory but because of the

                 nature of the substance that was allowing for

                 the reading to be positive.

                            So, my question simply is, Senator,

                 would it be more foresighted to engender the

                 kind of support that would make this law, so

                 that we don't have to have this discussion

                 every year, to put into the legislation an

                 allowance for a second test?

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Senator, I

                 appreciate your concern and I also appreciate

                 your support for this legislation, and I know

                 you voted for it last year with some concern.

                            The federal law is rather clear,

                 and I would mention that, if there's any

                 question on an individual's right for due





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                 process, we don't interfere with that in any

                 way.  If an individual wasn't content with the

                 findings, they could take remedy through the

                 courts because we don't touch that in any way.

                 So that remedy is still there through the

                 court process.

                            As relates to the poppy seed

                 incident, if that had been related with a

                 positive test to the individuals that were

                 monitoring the situation, that could be taken

                 into consideration.  And if the person that

                 had been accused could prove that that was of

                 consequence, or even some prescription

                 medication that they might have taken could

                 have been of some consequence in the testing,

                 that would be taken under consideration and it

                 could negate the entire process and they would

                 be held harmless.  So we think that there's

                 adequate safeguards.

                            We can't change the federal law, so

                 that if you felt that the federal laws should

                 be changed, I would contact Senator Schumer

                 immediately and employ him to introduce

                 legislation to initiate the process.  I think

                 you're related.





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                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you.

                            Actually, we'll wait for

                 Mrs. Clinton, Senator.

                            (Laughter.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson,

                 are you on the bill now?

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    No, I wasn't

                 even on the subject, Madam President.

                            But if the Senator would yield for

                 another question.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, do you

                 yield?

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Yes, Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    What I don't

                 understand, Senator, is there anything in the

                 federal regulations now that allow for a

                 second test?

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Well, it's my

                 understanding that the federal law is very

                 clear that you separate the specimen into two

                 parts and that there are -- if one part is

                 tested to be positive, then the other part,





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                 the second part is tested before the

                 individual is accused or, or convicted of

                 anything.  And that test is even more

                 sophisticated than the first test.  So there

                 are two tests, two parts, totally separate,

                 different laboratories.  So we think that all

                 of the safety that's necessary has been built

                 into the federal law.

                            Now, Senator, you can appreciate

                 that if a person is randomly tested for drugs

                 and found to be under the influence of alcohol

                 or drugs, that the reason for taking the two

                 separate parcels from the same specimen is

                 time, because after a person sleeps it off for

                 a couple days, if they were to require another

                 test and you took a specimen days later or

                 weeks later, it would be totally inappropriate

                 and, of course, inconclusive.  So that's what

                 the federal law deals with and that's what we

                 deal with.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you,

                 Senator.

                            All right, Madam President, I'll

                 leave Hillary.  I'll be on bill now, on the

                 bill.





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                            I think that what we have got to

                 consider when this legislation comes before us

                 is the value of protection, and I think that

                 that should be favored over the distinction as

                 to what the federal law allows and what it

                 does not.  There are many who feel the way

                 Senator Bruno just described, which is that

                 the federal law, in a sense, establishes very

                 clear regulations that allow for the two

                 specimen tests which really comes from one

                 apparent reading.  There are others who feel

                 that the federal law preempts itself and does

                 not overreach into the state law and makes it

                 very specific what the test should be for

                 federal employees.  We'll leave to the United

                 States Senators and House of Representative

                 members, whoever they may be, to determine

                 that, because it's something that we've

                 discussed here for a few years and I honestly

                 don't know what the answer is.  It's, in a

                 sense, where I might differ from Senator

                 Bruno.  I just think it's almost vague on the

                 subject but inconsequential to this

                 discussion.

                            The fact is that we do have school





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                 children in this state who need to be afforded

                 greater protection.  Some of the tragic

                 examples that were pointed out earlier are

                 really just indicia that compel us to act.

                 And so, therefore, I think that it would be

                 probably more prudent to pass this legislation

                 but to hope that a clear determination will be

                 made as to what is preemptive and what the

                 federal law actually establishes so that some

                 point very soon in both houses we can come to

                 some agreement in a measure that will add

                 greater protection to young people who are

                 being transported so that they can receive an

                 education.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4, this

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Manula.

                            SENATOR NANULA:    Nanula, Madam

                 President.  Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Nanula.  Excuse

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                            SENATOR NANULA:    One letter off.

                 You were close.

                            To explain my vote.

                            Senator Bruno these bills have been

                 introduced in years past and I have supported

                 them along with many members of our

                 conference, but I have a bill in front of me,

                 Senate Bill 958, which is the seat belt bill

                 for school buses, and we have not seen that

                 bill at this floor, and I think it's an

                 important bill.  I believe it's a bill that

                 supports both philosophically and practically

                 the agenda that, quite frankly, the Republican

                 majority in this house has been promoting.

                 And, as well, I have here an article from the

                 Daily News, one of your counterparts speaking

                 in a partisan sense, Councilman Steve Fiella

                 supports this, this effort in the city.

                            And for the record, New York is one

                 of only 10 states that allows kids to stand on

                 routine bus trips.  Clearly, within the

                 context of a real discussion about school bus

                 safety, I personally can't understand why

                 we're not having a real discussion and some

                 leadership on the issue of seat belts for our





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                 school buses.

                            And I mainly wanted to go on the

                 record, Madam President, on this floor to make

                 that statement.

                            Again, I plan to support the bill.

                            Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, how do

                 you vote?

                            SENATOR NANULO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    All right.

                            Proceed with calling the role.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

                 the negative on Calendar Number 42 are

                 Senators Duane, Montgomery, Santiago and

                 Smith, also Senator Schneiderman.

                            Ayes 50.  Nays 5.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 46, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 1020, an

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law in

                 relation to requiring school bus drivers to

                 insure all passengers have left the bus prior

                 to exiting.

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                            THE PRESIDENT:    An explanation

                 has been requested, Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 this bill would require a bus driver on the

                 completion of their route to go walk to the

                 back of the bus, make sure that there are no

                 students left on the bus, either sleeping,

                 under the seat, as has occurred on many

                 instances, and then affix a sign on the back

                 window which says "no one on board."

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Madam

                 President, would the sponsor yield to a couple

                 of questions, please?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos,

                 do you yield?

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes, Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    I was hoping that

                 the sponsor could tell me what enforcement

                 provisions are contained in this legislation.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    If you want to

                 add a criminal penalty, I'd be happy to do it,





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                 but we thought that this legislation would

                 basically require the bus drivers to do this.

                 And if there's a reoccurrence of them not

                 doing it, I assume the bus company would,

                 would fire them.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    My second

                 question, Madam President, on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT NOZZOLIO:    Will

                 Senator Skelos continue to yield?

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT NOZZOLIO:    The

                 Senator continues to yield.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    My understanding

                 is that the State Commissioner, the

                 Commissioner of Transportation, can promulgate

                 regulations regarding how it is that the sign

                 would be posted, but I'm concerned that the

                 purpose of the bill, which is laudable, is not

                 fulfilled in that in a terrible circumstance,

                 a driver could affix the sign, thereby

                 compounding the problem which, in fact, we're

                 trying to address in this legislation.  And I

                 was wondering if the sponsor had taken that

                 into account with the legislation.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    There are many





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                 things that I've taken into account, but I

                 just think it's common sense thing, walk to

                 the back, check, put the sign up, and then

                 leave the bus.  It's just another step that a

                 bus driver would have to take to assure that

                 there's nobody left on the bus.

                            There are some school districts,

                 for example, my own home village of Rockville

                 Center, that, when the bus turns off the key,

                 if they do not go to the back of the bus and

                 press a button, alarms will go off within 30

                 seconds.  That will be more costly, but,

                 certainly, school districts could do it.  And

                 it's permitted in this legislation.

                            However, I think this is just an

                 inexpensive way, you put a $4 sign on the back

                 of the window and it would just add for a

                 little more safety.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    On the bill -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Duane -

                            SENATOR DUANE:    -- Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    -- on the bill.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    I don't want to

                 give parents a false sense of security and I





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                 think that human error could still make it so

                 that, even while the driver went to the back

                 of the bus to affix this sign, that a child

                 could still be under a seat or in some, hidden

                 some way which would make, perhaps, a bad

                 situation potentially deadly.

                            And based on that, I plan on, on

                 casting my vote in the negative.

                            Thank you, Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2, this

                 act shall take effect on the 1st day of

                 September.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes 54.  Nays 1.

                            Senator Duane recorded in the

                 negative.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 I believe that completes the calendar.

                            Would you please recognize Senator





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                 Montgomery?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Montgomery.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes.  Thank

                 you.  Madam President, I would like unanimous

                 consent to be recorded in the negative on

                 Calendar Number 39.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    No objection.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, so ordered.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Thank you.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 is there any housekeeping at the desk?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    No, there is not,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    On behalf of

                 Senator Bruno, I offer up the following

                 committee assignment changes and ask that they

                 be filed in the Journal.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Notice will be

                 filed in the Journal.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 there being no further business, I move we

                 adjourn until Tuesday, February 23rd, at 3





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                 p.m.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    On motion, the

                 Senate now stands adjourned until Tuesday,

                 February 23rd, 3 p.m.

                            (Whereupon, at 3:41 p.m., Senate

                 adjourned.)