Regular Session - January 19, 2000

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                           NEW YORK STATE SENATE





                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD









                             ALBANY, NEW YORK

                             January 19, 2000

                                11:06 a.m.





                              REGULAR SESSION











                 SENATOR RAYMOND MEIER, Acting President

                 STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary















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                           P R O C E E D I N G S

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Senate will come to order.

                            I ask everyone present to please

                 rise and join me in repeating the Pledge of

                 Allegiance to the Flag.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 invocation will be given by the Reverend Peter

                 Young.

                            REVEREND YOUNG:    Thank you,

                 Senator.

                            Dear God, as we assemble on this

                 cold mid-January session day, we accept two

                 resolutions that thank Marie Brennan and Bill

                 Greer for their years of dedicated service to

                 this chamber, and we pray for the people of

                 this great State and for the Senators that

                 serve it, in Your name, now and forever.

                            Amen.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Reading

                 of the Journal.

                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

                 Tuesday, January 18th, the Senate met pursuant







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                 to adjournment.  The Journal of Monday,

                 January 17th, was read and approved.  On

                 motion, Senate adjourned.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Without

                 objection, the Journal stands approved as

                 read.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    There will be an

                 immediate meeting of the Aging Committee in

                 the Majority Conference Room.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:

                 Immediate meeting of the Aging Committee in

                 the Majority Conference Room.

                            Presentation of petitions.

                            Messages from the Assembly.

                            Messages from the Governor.

                            Reports of standing committees.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Rath,

                 from the Committee on Local Government,

                 reports:

                            Senate Print 1061, by Senator

                 Seward, an act to amend the County Law;

                            2586, by Senator Meier, an act to







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                 amend the Real Property Tax Law;

                            4314, by Senator McGee, an act to

                 amend the Town Law;

                            4320, by Senator McGee, an act to

                 amend the Municipal Home Rule Law;

                            And 5207, by Senator Seward, an act

                 to amend the County Law.

                            Senator Trunzo, from the Committee

                 on Transportation, reports:

                            Senate Print 1323, by Senator

                 Marcellino, an act to amend the Vehicle and

                 Traffic Law;

                            3170, by Senator Marcellino, an act

                 to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law;

                            And 4572, by Senator Maltese, an

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

                            All bills ordered direct to third

                 reading.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Without

                 objection, all bills reported directly to

                 third reading.

                            Reports of select committees.

                            Communications and reports from

                 state officers.

                            Motions and resolutions.







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                            Senator Libous.

                            SENATOR LIBOUS:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            On behalf of Senator Volker, on

                 page 10 I offer the following amendments to

                 Calendar Number 71, Senate Print 3537, and ask

                 that said bill retain its place on the Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and the bill will

                 retain its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            SENATOR LIBOUS:    And, Mr.

                 President, again on behalf of Senator Volker,

                 on page 10 I offer the following amendments to

                 Calendar Number 65, Senate Print Number 725,

                 and ask that said bill retain its place on the

                 Third Reading Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and the bill will

                 retain its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President, I

                 don't believe the Resolution Calendar has been







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                 distributed at this time.  We'll take that up

                 later.

                            But if we could take up Resolution

                 Number 2775 and have it read in its entirety.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read Resolution 2775.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator Bruno,

                 Legislative Resolution Number 2775, honoring

                 William J. Greer upon the occasion of his

                 retirement from the New York State Senate.

                            "WHEREAS, The State of New York

                 takes great pride in acknowledging those

                 esteemed residents who have distinguished

                 themselves in service to their community and

                 their profession; and

                            "WHEREAS, William J. Greer was

                 honored at a party held at the University Club

                 on December 20, 1999, upon the occasion of his

                 retirement after 30 years of dedicated

                 service;

                            "Bill began his distinguished

                 career with the New York State Senate in 1969,

                 in the Senate Post Office;

                            "Through hard work and dedication,

                 he received several promotions and advanced







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                 through Central Staff; and

                            "WHEREAS, Bill has served as

                 Journal Clerk since 1995;

                            "Bill has worked diligently to

                 ensure the integrity of the Senate Journal

                 during his tenure;

                            "Bill has been a leader in guiding

                 the operations of the Journal Clerk's Office

                 into the 21st century; and

                            "WHEREAS, Bill worked under five

                 Governors, seven Lieutenant Governors, and

                 four Senate Majority Leaders;

                            "He announced his retirement from

                 this position effective December 30, 1999;

                            "Bill and his wife, Carolyn, are

                 the proud parents of two children, Deanna

                 Greer Schoenborn, who is married to Bill

                 Schoenborn, and William Greer, who is married

                 to Kira Greer; and

                            "WHEREAS, He also served with honor

                 in the United States Army for two years;

                            "Bill was an active board member of

                 the Albany County Cooperative Extension;

                            "He has shared his extensive

                 knowledge of the legislative process with







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                 schools and community organizations; and

                            "WHEREAS, The State of New York,

                 and in particular the New York State Senate,

                 would like to express its sincere appreciation

                 to Bill for his many years of faithful

                 service; now, therefore, be it

                            "RESOLVED, That this Legislative

                 Body pause in its deliberations to

                 congratulate William J. Greer upon his

                 well-earned retirement from the New York State

                 Senate, and to wish him a healthy and happy

                 future; and be it further

                            "RESOLVED, That a copy of this

                 Resolution, suitably engrossed, be transmitted

                 to William J. Greer."

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bruno.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            If a person spends 31 years in

                 public service, it really is a testimony to

                 the commitment that that individual makes.  To

                 be in a position over these last several years

                 at this desk in the Senate, out front, working

                 sometimes days, nights, weekends, really is







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                 above and beyond what would normally be

                 expected of any individual in their work.  But

                 Bill was there; you could always depend on

                 him.  You could always count on him.

                            And I can remember weekends before

                 I was Leader coming over and doing legislative

                 days.  And with the team that was there -- and

                 some that were there with him for a lot of

                 years -- he just made this place happen and

                 hum, so that none of us had to be concerned

                 that the procedure here would not be recorded

                 properly, accurately.

                            So we're indebted to Bill for his

                 service.  And I'm sure that as he goes on,

                 he's young enough in his life to be able to do

                 a lot of productive and constructive things.

                            I wanted to just say how grateful I

                 am for his friendship and for all the good

                 things that he did for me personally as

                 relating to my job and to my colleagues here

                 in the Senate.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 question is on the resolution.  All those in

                 favor signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")







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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 resolution is adopted.

                            Senator Bruno.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Can we suggest

                 that we put everyone in the chamber on that

                 resolution unless they specifically would

                 rather be off it.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    All

                 members will be added to the resolution unless

                 they notify the desk otherwise.

                            Senator Bruno.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Mr. President,

                 can we at this time take up Resolution Number

                 2776, ask that it be read in its entirety, and

                 move for its immediate adoption.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read Resolution 2776 in its

                 entirety.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator Bruno,

                 Legislative Resolution Number 2676, honoring

                 Marie Brennan, Senate Personnel Officer, upon

                 the occasion of her retirement after 26 years







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                 of dedicated service to the New York State

                 Senate.

                            "WHEREAS, It is the privilege of

                 this Legislative Body to honor individuals who

                 have faithfully served the people and

                 government of the State of New York with

                 dedication and conscientious service; and

                            "WHEREAS, December 30, 1999, marked

                 the conclusion of Marie T. Brennan's 26-year

                 career with the New York State Senate.  For

                 the past 15 years, she served diligently as

                 the Senate's Personnel Officer; and

                            "WHEREAS, A lifelong resident of

                 the Capital District, Marie T. Brennan was

                 born in Troy, New York, the daughter of Joseph

                 and Margaret O'Connell.  She is the sister of

                 Peggy Hanks and the late Joseph O'Connell;

                            "Marie T. Brennan is a graduate of

                 Watervliet High School and attended the

                 University at Albany;

                            "Marie T. Brennan began her

                 professional career with Albany Medical

                 College as a Medical Assistant to Dr. J. Lewi

                 Donhauser; and

                            "WHEREAS, After joining the staff







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                 of then-Senate Majority Leader Warren M.

                 Anderson in 1973, Marie T. Brennan was

                 selected in 1976 by the Secretary of the

                 Senate, Roger C. Thompson, to assist in

                 establishing a personnel operation for the New

                 York State Senate.  In conjunction with

                 Richard S. Walter, the Senate's first

                 Personnel Officer, Marie T. Brennan built the

                 much-needed personnel operation from literally

                 a box of index cards to a full-service

                 Personnel Office that is automated with the

                 leading edge of human resources technology;

                            "Marie T. Brennan, as the Senate's

                 Personnel Officer, was fastidious for detail

                 and demanded that records be kept in

                 top-flight order and made no exceptions that a

                 Senate staff person's personnel files and

                 inquiries to the Personnel Office be kept

                 confidential at all times;

                            "Marie T. Brennan loved working

                 with people and made it a point to keep her

                 office door open and was willing to talk with

                 any Senate staff person coming to the office

                 with a problem.  Many times such problems were

                 personal in nature, and Mrs. Brennan would







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                 seek out applicable assistance for the staff

                 person.  She was many times called upon to

                 resolve personnel disputes, and she was an

                 advocate for making sure that no staff person

                 was treated unfairly or inappropriately,

                 regardless of their employment position; and

                            "WHEREAS, Marie T. Brennan was

                 instrumental in the formation and operation of

                 the Children's Corner Day Care Center, which

                 operates in the Empire State Plaza Complex as

                 a service to the New York State employees;

                            "Her Irish heritage is a source of

                 significant pride for Mrs. Brennan.  She has

                 visited Ireland extensively and is a devout

                 student of Irish ancestry.

                            "She is a parishioner of Our Lady

                 of the Assumption Church in Latham and is a

                 member of the Watervliet Elks Women's

                 Auxiliary.  Marie enjoys golf and is a member

                 of the Watervliet Arsenal Pitch and Putt

                 League; and

                            "WHEREAS, Mrs. Brennan has had the

                 strength and endurance to overcome major

                 health obstacles in recent years and is

                 anxious to be an example for others to







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                 persevere in not letting debilitating health

                 problems limit one's ability to lead a

                 productive life; and

                            "WHEREAS, She desired to retire to

                 devote more time to her family:  her husband

                 of 37 years, Donald F. Brennan, her son,

                 Darren, her daughter, Colleen, and their

                 respective families; now, therefore, be it

                            "RESOLVED, That this Legislative

                 Body pause in its deliberations to express its

                 highest respect and deep appreciation to Marie

                 T. Brennan, recognizing the significance of

                 her contributions to the functioning of the

                 State Senate over the past 26 years and the

                 dedication she demonstrated as the Senate's

                 Personnel Officer, and to extend to her a

                 heartfelt wish for a long and rewarding

                 future; and be it further

                            "RESOLVED, That a copy of this

                 Resolution, suitably engrossed, be transmitted

                 to Marie T. Brennan."

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bruno.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.







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                            As you listen to this resolution

                 outlining Marie's career, you can't help but

                 just wonder how a person can almost start -

                 and I know the history of that personnel

                 office was literally one of the less

                 information, the better, and taking it to the

                 professional level that we enjoy here in the

                 Senate today.

                            And that's thanks to Marie's

                 diligence, her commitment, and her

                 professionalism.  She's a true professional.

                            And when you think about human

                 resources, personnel, the records that are

                 necessary to be kept, the accuracy, the

                 confidentiality has been stated -- but the

                 personal interface with employees when there

                 are problems, and some problems that are

                 serious, Marie was there on a human level,

                 relating to people.  Not in any bureaucratic

                 way, but in a real, personal, warm,

                 affectionate way.  And there wasn't any person

                 that was ever turned away for any reason.

                            So I've treasured my friendship and

                 my personal relationship with Marie and with

                 her husband, Don, and trust that given a







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                 little less responsibility in life than

                 looking after the 1600 people that you've been

                 looking after here for so many years, that you

                 will be able to enjoy some relaxation and do

                 some of the things that I know that you would

                 be inhibited from doing given the

                 responsibility that you've had here.

                            So we thank you for all the good

                 things that you have done for all of us.  I

                 thank you for what you have meant to me

                 personally.  And we look forward to staying in

                 touch as you go on to do some of the other

                 things that you'll be doing in your life.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President,

                 yesterday we had a resolution here for Jess

                 Present, and we talked about institutionalism

                 and about the institution.  And we just did a

                 resolution on Bill Greer, who has been here

                 for so many years.  And really, for some of

                 us, we remember him back to almost a time

                 that -- well, a few of us remember right when

                 he was here.  But he and Joe Cornell, who was

                 his predecessor.







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                            Marie Brennan, I must say, you

                 know, that to have known her for many, many

                 years, it will be hard to think of Personnel

                 without Marie Brennan, who has been a rock of

                 Gibraltar, in my opinion, in overseeing the

                 Senate over the years.

                            And I don't think people realize

                 the problems -- well, I know that some people

                 don't realize the problems that have occurred

                 with staff people, and some of them are very

                 delicate.  I've had a couple with staff people

                 who have had health problems and various types

                 of things that occur where what you need is -

                 although the rules are there, and you

                 certainly have to follow the rules, what you

                 try to do is make sure that you have a

                 government with a heart.

                            Because all the talk about fiscal

                 responsibility is certainly critically

                 important, and nobody wants to do that any

                 more than we do.  But on the other hand, we

                 have to deal, I think, with a small family -

                 maybe a large family here, really.  And we try

                 to do it in a way in which -- in the best

                 interests, really, of this family.







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                            And Marie Brennan has been a tower

                 of strength in that area and has always had -

                 not only taken her responsibility in a very

                 dedicated way, but also, I think, has done it

                 in a way in which the best interests of the

                 Senate and the individual members are always

                 at heart.

                            Finally, I just want to say -- and

                 I guess Marie and I became particularly good

                 friends when the both of us suffered some

                 health problems here a few years ago.  And at

                 the time, in fact, I been operated on, and

                 Marie was operated on fairly quickly after my

                 surgery.  And we talked with each other

                 because we shared some of the same types of

                 problems.

                            And Marie was a tower of strength

                 and courage because she went through a very

                 difficult period, came back here when a lot of

                 people thought she would not do it, dedicated

                 herself to the Senate, got us through some

                 difficult times here in the Senate as well as

                 herself.

                            And from my perspective, to her and

                 her family, my very best wishes, because I







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                 think she's a super person.  And I know

                 whatever she does in the future, why, wherever

                 she goes, she'll distinguish herself.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    If I could, Mr.

                 President.

                            Marie, it's wonderful to see your

                 family with you and your extended family

                 behind you.  And I would be remiss if I just

                 didn't say thank you to you for all that

                 you've done on my behalf, on behalf of my

                 staff.  You made our lives a lot better here,

                 and for that we'll be eternally grateful.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Marcellino.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.

                            Marie, I just wanted to say thank

                 you.  I haven't been in the Senate as long as

                 some of the predecessors and some of the

                 people who have spoken before me.  But you

                 made my introduction to this house a very

                 positive one.  You helped me out personally,

                 you helped members of my staff out personally.







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                            It was a great feeling of warmth.

                 I felt almost guilty if I didn't ask

                 questions, because you always were there for

                 every question.  And you always did a

                 fantastic job for myself and the members of my

                 staff and, I know, all our colleagues.

                            We have a tendency sometimes to

                 overlook people who do these kind of jobs and

                 support us and help us, and it's something

                 that we have to remind ourselves, not only

                 upon people's retirement, but on a day-to-day

                 basis, because we have a tremendous support

                 staff here that makes this house work, that

                 makes government work.  I know you've been a

                 leader in that and been a very important part

                 of that.

                            I have only one question to ask of

                 Marie.  Who gave you your advice?  That's the

                 only question.  God bless.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 LaValle.

                            SENATOR LAVALLE:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            I rise along with the other members

                 of this body to say that Marie Brennan has







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                 been a wonderful professional, a great human

                 being.  And we sometimes don't realize that we

                 are losing a piece of institutional memory,

                 that memory that has kept both members and

                 staff in compliance with so many rules.  And a

                 person who has the knowledge and we, when

                 Marie would say such-and-such, this is the

                 rule, that we would say yes, and feel very

                 confident with her input and her

                 recommendation.

                            But as so many other people have

                 said -- Senator Volker -- that she is a person

                 who always has a smile, regardless of what is

                 involved in her life, and a very happy

                 individual who will be missed.

                            And I want to say for the record,

                 Marie, that Senator Stachowski has, as you

                 know, his annual kielbasa luncheon, and that a

                 group of us get together and have the good

                 fortune of spending 15 minutes, half an hour

                 together, at least that, once a year.  And we

                 fully expect that you will come back and visit

                 with our group so that we can reminisce and

                 talk about all the things that are relevant in

                 our life.







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                            Much good luck, health, and

                 happiness to you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 question is on the resolution.  All those in

                 favor -

                            I'm sorry, very sorry.  Senator

                 Mendez.

                            SENATOR MENDEZ:    Thank you.

                 Thank you, Mr. President.

                            I too want to rise to wish Marie

                 the very best in the new station of her life

                 of being retired.  I think that it has been -

                 in the 21 years that I have been here, it has

                 been a pleasure working with her, always with

                 a sunny disposition, always there to help, and

                 a woman that is so competent.

                            And because of being so bright and

                 competent and knowledgeable of the rules and

                 regulations that we have to follow, then she

                 makes our lives as public elected officials

                 easier.

                            We love you, Marie.  If I would

                 have a good voice, I would sing that song "Oh,

                 Marie."  You know that one?

                            So we hate to see you leave, but







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                 it's been wonderful working with you.  And God

                 bless you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Does any

                 other member wish to be heard?

                            The question, then, is on the

                 resolution.  All those in favor signify by

                 saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 resolution is unanimously passed, with the

                 affection and respect of the Senate.

                            (Applause.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    I ask that all

                 members be placed on the resolution.  If you

                 do not wish to sponsor it, please notify the

                 desk.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    All

                 members will be placed on the resolution

                 unless they indicate otherwise.

                            Senator Skelos.







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                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President, I

                 believe there are three privilege resolutions

                 at the desk by Senator Bruno.  I ask that the

                 titles be read and move for their immediate

                 adoption.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read the titles of the

                 privilege resolutions.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator Bruno,

                 Legislative Resolution Number 2801, commending

                 Firefighter Harry G. Connerty, Jr., for 35

                 years of ceaseless dedicated service to the

                 Hillcrest Volunteer Fire Department, Halfmoon,

                 New York, on January 22, 2000.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 question is on the resolution.  All those in

                 favor signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 resolution is adopted.

                            The Secretary will continue to read

                 the privilege resolutions.







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                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator Bruno,

                 Legislative Resolution Number 2802, commending

                 Firefighter Thomas M. McBride, Sr., for 35

                 years of ceaseless dedicated service to the

                 Hillcrest Volunteer Fire Department, Halfmoon,

                 New York, on January 22, 2000.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 question is on the resolution.  All those in

                 favor signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 resolution is adopted.

                            The Secretary will continue to

                 read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator Bruno.

                 Legislative Resolution Number 2803, commending

                 Firefighter Arthur S. Miller for 60 years of

                 ceaseless dedicated service to the West Sand

                 Lake Volunteer Fire Department, on January 22,

                 2000.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 question is on the resolution.  All those in







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                 favor signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 resolution is adopted.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

                 if we could take up the noncontroversial

                 calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read the noncontroversial

                 calendar.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 2, by Senator Johnson, Senate Print 762, an

                 act to amend the State Finance Law, in

                 relation to allocations.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)







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                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 42.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 4, by Senator LaValle, Senate Print 1745, an

                 act to amend Chapter 554 of the Laws of 1996,

                 relating to creating the Brookhaven National

                 Laboratory.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 42.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 32, by Senator Rath, Senate Print 3689, an act

                 to amend the Civil Practice Law and Rules and

                 the Executive Law, in relation to extending

                 the statute of limitations.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.







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                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 January.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 45.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 33, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print -

                            SENATOR CONNOR:    Lay it aside for

                 a question from Senator Duane, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 35, by Senator Hoffmann, Senate Print 4259A,

                 an act to -

                            SENATOR CONNOR:    Lay it aside for

                 the day, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 36, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print -

                            SENATOR CONNOR:    Lay it aside for







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                 a question from Senator Duane, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 44, by Senator Alesi, Senate Print 3965, an

                 act to amend the Economic Development Law, in

                 relation to allowing the Commissioner of

                 Economic Development.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 48.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 77, by Senator Volker -

                            SENATOR CONNOR:    Lay it aside for

                 a question by Senator Breslin.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            Senator Skelos, that completes the







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                 reading of the noncontroversial calendar.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    If we could take

                 up the controversial calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read the controversial

                 calendar.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 33, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 3715A, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to the

                 crime of aggravated harassment of an employee.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Explanation,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, an explanation has been requested by

                 Senator Duane.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            This is an act to amend the Penal

                 Law in relation to the crime of aggravated

                 harassment of an employee.  This legislation

                 expands the crime to include actions by

                 persons against employees in mental health

                 facilities and in offices of the Mental

                 Retardation and Development Disabilities.

                            As you recall, we have passed







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                 legislation that protects correction officers

                 in correction facilities by inmates.  In

                 reading the statute under McKinney's, it also

                 stated that the law could apply to juveniles.

                 And that's why we make a technical change to

                 the word "respondents," to cover juveniles who

                 may engage in acts in throwing urine or feces

                 at employees that work in those facilities.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Would the sponsor

                 yield to some questions?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Will the

                 sponsor yield?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                            Are we looking into what the

                 thinking is of an inmate in this bill?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I don't think

                 we do psychological profiles.  We look more of

                 the act.

                            And when an inmate -- we assume

                 that, you know, he's probably in jail for







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                 committing acts against society.  When he

                 engages in an act and breaks the law or rules

                 in which they could inflict bodily harm on our

                 employees that work in correction facilities

                 or mental health facilities, that -- if urine

                 might have, you know, the AIDS virus and that

                 correction officer has to be tested and to

                 make sure that there was no danger to that

                 employee.

                            We do not do a psychological

                 profile on that inmate if he was convicted of

                 violating this Penal Law.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    If the sponsor

                 would continue to yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    But isn't that

                 exactly why these inmates are in a mental

                 health facility, so that they can have a

                 psychological evaluation?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Let me take a

                 step back.  I believe that we try to do

                 rehabilitation to all inmates, mental

                 patients, juveniles that are in the facilities







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                 for one reason or another if it's crimes

                 against society.

                            In order to be convicted of a crime

                 under this legislation, you have to show that

                 the person committing the act of throwing

                 urine or other substances intentionally knew

                 what they were doing.  So in the case where

                 I'm trying to expand, for someone that's

                 mentally disabled, didn't know what they were

                 doing -- accidental vomiting, say, on an

                 employee -- under this statute, that's not

                 punishable.  There must be an intent.

                            And if you can show that intent,

                 under our proposed legislation they would be

                 guilty of this crime, regardless of what was

                 meant -- what was -- the psychological

                 problems for antisocial behavior.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    If the sponsor

                 would continue to yield.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic continues to yield, Senator Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    But isn't that

                 why they're being sent to a mental hospital,

                 because the prison psychiatrist has deemed







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                 that they are mentally ill and needing of

                 mental health treatment?  What more proof do

                 you need?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I don't

                 disagree with you that people that are in

                 mental institutions need rehabilitation and to

                 try to get through the psychological and/or

                 emotional problems so they can function in

                 society.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    I believe it was

                 Senator DeFrancisco who pointed out in our

                 committee meeting that it would be very

                 difficult to tell in a mental hospital whether

                 or not if -- if one of the -- if the inmate

                 could actually tell who the mental health

                 workers were.  For instance, the janitorial

                 staff wears pretty much the same white

                 uniforms as everyone else does.

                            And yet if someone were to throw

                 feces and urine at someone who wasn't a mental

                 health caseworker, they wouldn't get charged

                 under this legislation; is that correct?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    It's intended

                 to cover any of the employees in these

                 facilities.







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                            What we're trying to discourage is

                 the act of throwing feces or urine at any

                 employees, whether they're a correctional

                 worker or an employee.  The risk of danger is

                 just as great to all of those employees

                 regardless of what their specific duties are

                 in those institutions.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Through you, Mr.

                 President, if the sponsor will continue to

                 yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Then your bill is

                 poorly drafted, because that's not what it

                 says.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Well, do you

                 want to point out specifically where you claim

                 it doesn't say that?

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Yeah.  It says

                 employees -- it says -- although frankly I

                 would think you would know better than I, but

                 I'll look for it.







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                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do believe -

                 I have the bill.  It's a short bill.  And it

                 refers specifically to "employee" without

                 specific designation.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    While it is true

                 that -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Well,

                 gentlemen, just so we can put some shape

                 around this, do you want the sponsor to

                 continue to yield?

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Well, I'm not -

                 I'm responding to his question.  So he needs

                 to ask me to yield now.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    No, I

                 don't think that's the way it works.  If you

                 have a question -

                            SENATOR DUANE:    How does it work?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    -- you

                 want to pose, you would ask the sponsor to

                 yield.  If you want to speak on the bill, you

                 would indicate that.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    If the sponsor

                 would yield so I could respond to his question

                 to me.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Well,







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                 would the sponsor yield so that Senator Duane

                 can frame a question?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Does this bill

                 cover contracted-out employees -- for

                 instance, in the cafeteria or an outside

                 janitorial service -- who would be performing

                 functions in the facility?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    It's my

                 understanding that it's specifically for

                 employees of the facility and it would not

                 cover what we call independent contractors

                 that -- like a privatization, that come in and

                 perform duties in those facilities.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Through you, Mr.

                 President, if the sponsor will continue to

                 yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Do you

                 continue to yield, Senator Bonacic?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    And therefore, is







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                 it your contention, then, that persons who are

                 employees of OMRDD are entitled to special

                 protections from feces and urine than

                 independent contractors?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I don't.  But

                 now that you brought that distinction up,

                 perhaps I'll go back to this bill and look to

                 expand it to cover employees that are engaging

                 in privatization in these facilities.  It's a

                 good idea.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    And then through

                 you, Mr. President, if the sponsor will

                 continue to yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Do you

                 continue to yield, Senator Bonacic?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Then anyone who

                 is actually working in an OMRDD facility you

                 believe then deserves special protection, a

                 higher level of protection than, for instance,

                 people outside those facilities?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I believe that

                 anyone who works in those facilities deserves







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                 equal protection against these kinds of acts

                 of antisocial behavior.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    So through you,

                 Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    He

                 yields.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    So they are

                 entitled to a special protection under this

                 law which you've proposed?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    When you say

                 "special protection," we already give

                 correction officers that work in correction

                 facilities these protections.  We now want to

                 expand it to youth facilities, mental health

                 facilities, and facilities of mental

                 retardation and disability.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Through you, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The







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                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    And so you

                 believe that people in all of these areas of

                 employment deserve special protections?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                            I have a further question if the

                 sponsor will continue to yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Do you

                 continue to yield, Senator Bonacic?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            I feel like I'm getting married, "I

                 do."  Several times.

                            (Laughter.)

                            SENATOR DUANE:    If the sponsor

                 would tell me how it is that this bill came

                 about.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Well, this bill

                 came about because there were many instances

                 originally where correction officers were

                 being threatened and actually where there

                 could be physical harm to them where urine and

                 feces were thrown at them.  And there was a

                 concern that the HIV virus could have been

                 contained in the urine or the feces.







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                            A best-case scenario, the

                 correction officer has to go through a series

                 of tests, high anxiety, and worry that they

                 may become afflicted with a disease that the

                 inmate had.  And that could occur and has

                 occurred.

                            Now, those employees in the

                 facilities that we've talked about, the mental

                 health facilities, have said that they have

                 these same kind of dangers and risks to them

                 and could we extend the protection to them.

                            So the request came from workers

                 who work in these facilities that want the

                 same kind of protections that correction

                 officers now enjoy in correction facilities.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Through you, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    He does.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    As -- it sounds

                 as if employees of OMRDD have asked for

                 this -- although, frankly, I haven't gotten a

                 letter from them requesting this legislation.







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                            I'm wondering why it is, then, that

                 when thousands and thousands of New Yorkers

                 have requested protection in the form of a

                 hate-crimes bill, the Senate has not deemed it

                 necessary to respond to that request.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I don't think

                 that is appropriate.

                            I can tell you that as a member of

                 the Assembly for almost nine years, I for one

                 have supported that legislation.  I know that

                 this subject is being studied, and I'm sure

                 that is a subject for another day.

                            But, you know, I don't want to be

                 comparing apples and oranges.  We're here

                 today on the issue of the mental health

                 facilities and trying to protect those

                 workers.  But I respect what you say, and it

                 is something that I think deserves our

                 attention in the future.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                            Thank you, Mr. President.  If I may

                 speak on the bill, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Of

                 course.  Senator Duane, on the bill.

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                 much.

                            I want to go back to comments I

                 made yesterday, because we are just in the

                 middle of a whole feces and urine extravaganza

                 here on the floor of the Senate today.  But

                 from -- my understanding is if it's anything

                 like last year, we can look forward to many

                 more feces and urine bills to discuss in the

                 course of this session.

                            I think it would be more productive

                 if we put all the feces and urine legislation

                 into one big package and debated that one.

                 But the Senate has not seen fit to do it that

                 way.  And as I said to -- asked Senator Volker

                 about that in Codes, he said because people

                 just all have their own feces and urine bills

                 and they can't put them together.  And I

                 suggested that we should all try to get along

                 on this issue, but that's just, I guess, not

                 to be the case.

                            But specifically on this piece of

                 legislation, it does strike me that this -- if

                 this is a problem in OMRDD facilities, I

                 believe that goes exactly to the point which I

                 previously made on this floor, that the







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                 throwing of feces and urine is in fact a

                 mental health issue and not a criminal justice

                 issue, should be treated as a mental health

                 issue.

                            If we were going to be productive

                 on this, instead of throwing of feces and

                 urine being something which necessitates

                 higher penalties, what instead it should

                 necessitate is a higher quality of mental

                 health services in all of New York State

                 facilities.

                            And I would encourage my colleagues

                 to vote no on this one, even more specifically

                 because it does apply to mental health

                 facilities.  I believe that people that go

                 into the field of mental health should be very

                 well versed in the psychological issue of

                 throwing of body fluids and feces and urine,

                 and in fact this should not be treated as a

                 criminal justice issue in those facilities but

                 as a mental health issue.

                            Thank you, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Onorato.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Mr. President,







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                 will the sponsor yield, please?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, do you yield?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Senator

                 Bonacic, I'm a little confused about this.

                 Isn't the simple fact of somebody throwing an

                 object, whether it was urine, feces, or a

                 book, whatever he may happen to have at his

                 side to be throwing it, what difference does

                 it make whether the object is feces?  Maybe

                 even the bandage that he had on his wound or

                 something, and throwing it.  It isn't it all

                 covered by an assault?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    It is not.  In

                 order to have an assault, you must have

                 physical injury to the person that receives

                 it.  So if I threw a bandage at you and you

                 have no physical injury, that is not an

                 assault.

                            So we're trying to get a category

                 of aggravated harassment where inmates have

                 been engaging in this at a higher level of







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                 activity, in throwing feces and urine which

                 may or may not contain the AIDS virus.  That's

                 what we're trying to discourage specifically.

                            In terms of broadening the

                 legislation, we're not there yet.  We're just

                 concentrating on these dangers that the

                 correction officers and the unions have come

                 to this Legislature and said this is an area

                 where they need help.  And now it's been

                 extended to the mental health facilities.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Will the

                 sponsor yield to one further question?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.  I do.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    What happens to

                 a visitor at the facility, such as yourself or

                 I who may be on the committee, and we go to

                 that facility and have it thrown at us?  Are

                 we protected?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    That's a good

                 question.  Under this particular statute,

                 you're not.  But we're proposing it.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Montgomery.







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                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.  If the sponsor would yield for

                 a -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, do you yield?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Thank you.

                            I would just like to ask you, your

                 bill adds also respondents.  That's juveniles;

                 is that correct?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    It is.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Give me the

                 ages of the respondents that you would be

                 referring to that this would cover.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    It would be any

                 individual that was in a youth facility.  And

                 my recollection is as young as 15.  I'm not

                 exactly sure, but this is -- I mean, I'm

                 talking about my prior legal knowledge which I

                 recall, and I think it goes up to 18.  I think

                 it's that age group, roughly 15 to 18.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Okay.  So in

                 other words, this does not cover all of the







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                 respondents, only a certain number?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    No, it -- in

                 these youth facilities, that's correct.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    And the

                 youth facilities don't have 12-year-olds, for

                 instance, or 14-year-olds; is that the case?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Well, the youth

                 facilities that this legislation is directed

                 against is that -- the teenager in the later

                 years, the 15 through the 18.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Okay.  But

                 the legislation does not specify that -

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    It does not.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    -- it just

                 says "respondents"?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    It does not.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Okay.  So

                 now I just would like to ask you, how -- do

                 you have an idea how many respondents would be

                 covered by this, how many youth in those

                 facilities?  Do you have some idea what that

                 population is?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I don't know

                 the amount of respondents in all our youth

                 facilities in the state of New York.  I don't







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                 have a handle on that number.  But I would

                 gladly get that information to you

                 subsequently.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Okay.  That

                 would be helpful and interesting, to see just

                 how many youth this bill would cover.

                            Now, you -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Montgomery, do you wish the sponsor to

                 continue to yield?

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Do you

                 yield, Senator Bonacic?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    He does.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Thank you.

                 It's a little cumbersome process, but we've

                 lived with it for many years.

                            Now, Senator, the -- your bill

                 would include OMR and OMRDD.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    That's correct.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    And you say

                 that anyone who is convicted of this

                 particular act -- that's a class E felony, I

                 believe your bill says; is that right?  Class







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                 E felony.  This is already in law.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Yes.  Yes.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    So now what

                 do you do with the mentally ill or the

                 developmentally handicapped people?  Do they

                 now go into DOCS if they commit this act?

                 What do we do with them?

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    I think we have

                 evidentiary problems.  First of all, the

                 mental patient, in order to be convicted of

                 this crime, had to be one, sane, had to have

                 an intent to do it.  And they could all raise

                 the defense of lack of mental capacity, that

                 there was no intent.  These are evidentiary

                 problems.

                            But assuming, assuming for our

                 discussion that there was evidence for

                 conviction, it would be my understanding that

                 when they got out of the mental facility, they

                 would have to serve the time at a correctional

                 facility if they were an adult.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    I see.

                 So -

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    That's the

                 way -







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                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    -- once they

                 are well enough to come out of there, the

                 OMRDD or the OMR, they now have to go into

                 DOCS to serve the time based on this act.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    And if the

                 reason they were in there in the beginning is

                 because they lacked the mental capacity to

                 commit the crime, then it wouldn't be a crime.

                 It would be an affirmative defense.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Okay.  All

                 right.  I would just like to comment on the

                 legislation.

                            Thank you, Senator Bonacic.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    You're welcome.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Montgomery, on the bill.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    I just want

                 to -- we don't know how many respondents this

                 bill would cover.  And obviously I don't have

                 that figure.  Senator Bonacic doesn't have it.

                            But we can presume that it's -

                 whatever the number, it would become a

                 possibility that every young person in those

                 facilities would also be covered by this law.

                 So now we are very possibly including







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                 12-year-olds, and possibly even younger, as

                 part of the penal system.

                            So that's one issue.  But -- and

                 these -- all of these bills, 33, 35, 36

                 calendar numbers, seem to be moving in that

                 direction.  As Senator Duane has said, the

                 feces and urine bills.

                            But I want to raise another kind of

                 issue beyond the feces and the urine.  And

                 certainly I support the protection of

                 employees in any institution where they are

                 endangered and they are forced to be on the

                 front lines.  However, I want to just go on

                 record here at this time as being in

                 opposition to these kinds of bills which do

                 nothing to protect -- it is my belief they do

                 nothing to protect the safety of the employees

                 in those institutions, but they do everything

                 to expand this burgeoning, growing prisoner

                 industrial complex.

                            It keeps people in longer periods

                 of time.  We now have a situation where

                 inmates are extremely restless because they

                 are not being allowed to be paroled out even

                 at the time that they're eligible for parole.







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                 Where we have a situation where there is no -

                 practically no programs for rehabilitation.

                 We've removed all educational and training

                 programs from those institutions.

                            So we're essentially creating the

                 most dangerous situation in our correctional

                 system, which is very similar to what we had

                 at Attica in 1971 and prior to that.

                            So we're not really moving to

                 protect people who work in those facilities,

                 and in fact we're creating a situation where

                 they are more in danger than if we gave them

                 some tools by which they could work to

                 rehabilitate people there and to give them a

                 sense that once they are out they would have

                 something that they could use to keep them

                 out.

                            So I'm just opposed to this.  I

                 think it's -- we now in our -- I have figures

                 here.  I've been collecting this information

                 over the years.  This is from an article in

                 USA Today in 1998 where it was -- this writer

                 calculated for us the number of people on

                 probation and parole in New York State.  At

                 that time it was 245,551.  There are 72,000







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                 people in state prison now.  So that's over

                 300,000 people who are in prison now, state

                 prison, on parole or probation.

                            And that doesn't take into

                 consideration the people who are in the local

                 jails.  And it also doesn't take into

                 consideration the people who are going to be

                 now covered by Senator Bonacic's bill, which

                 is now going to cover all of the youth

                 facilities.

                            So I just want to be on record to

                 say that I will not participate in this

                 process of expanding a prison system which,

                 more and more, puts people in a situation

                 where there is no hope of ever escaping.  So

                 it's a kind of enslavement, and we're doing it

                 under the guise of protecting this group or

                 that group.  But the ultimate result and the

                 ultimate goal is to just keep people in,

                 incarcerated for longer and longer periods of

                 time.

                            And I must stand up and say what I

                 really feel, that is also disproportionately

                 aimed at people of color.  That's why I want

                 to be on record.







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                            I will not speak on all of these

                 bills, even though I'm going to vote against

                 all of them.  They all do the same thing.

                 They will be coming before us week after week,

                 I understand that.  And I understand what it's

                 playing to.  But I must say that I want to be

                 on record to say to you that I object to this

                 way of essentially removing the civil rights

                 from a group of people in our society because

                 they are poor, they are not educated well, and

                 we are giving them absolutely no way out of

                 that situation.

                            So, Mr. President, thank you for

                 allowing me to make a statement on record.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 52.  Nays,

                 2.  Senators Duane and Montgomery recorded in

                 the negative.







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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 36, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 5706, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 aggravated harassment.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Explanation,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic, an explanation has been requested by

                 Senator Duane.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            This also is an act to amend the

                 Penal Law in relation to the aggravated

                 harassment of an employee by an inmate.  It

                 deals with similar subject matter, but it's

                 specific for correction facilities.

                            And the statutes have been narrowly

                 construed.  In the past, it was very specific.

                 Current law lists only throwing, tossing, and

                 expelling as a prohibition means of attempting

                 to cause a substance to come into contact with

                 an employee.

                            And what we are trying to do with







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                 this legislation is expand it as follows,

                 where an inmate could place a substance on an

                 employee.  We had a specific case in Sullivan

                 County where an inmate took a glass and he

                 dipped it into a toilet and he took the

                 substance that was in the toilet and he then

                 placed it on an employee.  Not throwing.

                            And you could say, well, isn't this

                 ridiculous.  If he just poured it on and

                 didn't really throw it, shouldn't it be

                 encompassed under the old statute?  But what

                 the judges have been doing, they have

                 concentrated on the physical act by which the

                 substance comes into contact with the

                 employee.

                            And what this does, number one, it

                 expands how the substance gets there besides

                 throwing.  And, second thing, it involves

                 other bodily fluids such as saliva and any

                 other bodily secretions other than urine or

                 feces.

                            This bill passed the Senate last

                 year by 58 to 1.  But again, it's just

                 tightening the existing statute.  It's more

                 geared to language changes in making it cover







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                 the situations it was intended for.  Basically

                 you don't want an inmate putting any urine,

                 feces, or any other substance on a correction

                 employee, by any means.  That's what the

                 purpose of this statute is.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    I would just like

                 to speak on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Duane, on the bill.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                            I believe that, in addition to my

                 previously stated objections to this type of

                 legislation, that I believe the word "placing"

                 is very problematic.  I think it could lead to

                 a lot of unfairness and difficulty.

                            For instance if an inmate had an

                 accident, could that not be used against him?

                 The whole definition of "placing" is so

                 nebulous that I think it could be used to

                 unduly punish people who are incarcerated.

                            And I'm also very concerned that

                 this bill will open up a slippery slope in

                 terms of what we're doing in other feces and







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                 urine bills, and that "placing" will become

                 part of those bills as well.  And I just think

                 that we are creating terrible public policy as

                 we continue to look at this as criminal

                 justice in nature as opposed to mental health.

                            Thank you, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 52.  Nays,

                 2.  Senators Duane and Montgomery recorded in

                 the negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 77, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 6231, an

                 act to amend the Tax Law, in relation to the

                 imposition of sales and use taxes by the

                 County of Erie.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator







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                 Volker, an explanation has been requested -

                 Senator Breslin, why do you rise?

                            SENATOR BRESLIN:    I'd like to

                 know if the sponsor would yield.  I don't

                 think an explanation is necessary.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Volker, do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Certainly.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR BRESLIN:    The sponsor has

                 been gracious enough to supply me with a home

                 rule message, which would have been my

                 question to the sponsor.  So I withdraw any

                 questions I might have.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 52.  Nays,

                 2.  Senators Dollinger and Gentile recorded in

                 the negative.







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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            Senator Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President,

                 can we go back to the Resolution Calendar and

                 adopt the Resolution Calendar, with the

                 exception of Resolutions 2775 and 2776 that

                 have already been adopted.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    All in

                 favor of adopting the Resolution Calendar,

                 with the exception of Resolutions 2775 and

                 2776, previously adopted, signify by saying

                 aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Resolution Calendar is adopted.

                            Senator Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President, I

                 think there's a privilege resolution at the

                 desk by Senator Mendez.  Would you read the

                 title, and I ask it be adopted.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The







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                 Secretary will read the title of the

                 privileged resolution.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

                 Mendez, Legislative Resolution Number 2804,

                 honoring the Instituto Duartiano upon the

                 occasion of a visit of a delegation

                 representing its members to the New York State

                 Capitol on January 24, 2000.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 question is on the resolution.  All those in

                 favor signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 resolution is adopted.

                            Senator Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Can we return to

                 reports of standing committees.  I understand

                 there's some committee agendas at the desk.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Maziarz,

                 from the Committee on Aging, reports the







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                 following bills:

                            Senate Print 812, by Senator

                 Johnson, an act to amend the Real Property Tax

                 Law;

                            1836, by Senator Farley, an act to

                 amend the Education Law;

                            And 3276, by Senator Trunzo, an act

                 to amend the Real Property Tax Law.

                            Senator Kuhl, from the Committee on

                 Education, reports:

                            Senate Print 1132A, by Senator

                 Skelos, an act to amend the Education Law;

                            3532, by Senator Farley, an act in

                 relation to the calculation;

                            5799, by Senator Morahan, an act to

                 amend the Education Law;

                            5857, by Senator LaValle, an act to

                 amend the Education Law;

                            6274, by Senator Padavan, an act to

                 amend the Education Law;

                            6276, by Senator McGee, an act to

                 amend the Education Law;

                            And 6286, by Senator Kuhl, an act

                 to amend the Education Law.

                            Senator Hannon, from the Committee







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                 on Health, reports:

                            Senate Print 1708, by Senator

                 Trunzo, an act to amend the Public Health Law;

                            2157, by Senator Hannon, an act to

                 amend the Public Health Law and the Education

                 Law;

                            Senate Print 4870A, by Senator

                 Hannon, an act to amend the Public Health Law;

                            And 6097, with amendments, by

                 Senator Hannon, an act to amend the Public

                 Health Law and the Insurance Law.

                            All bills ordered direct to third

                 reading.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Without

                 objection, all bills directly to third

                 reading.

                            Senator Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President,

                 is there any housekeeping at the desk?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    No,

                 there is not.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Would you

                 recognize Senator Mendez, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Mendez.







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                            SENATOR MENDEZ:    There will be an

                 immediate conference of the Minority at

                 Room 314.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    There

                 will be an immediate conference of the

                 Minority in Room 314.

                            Senator Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    There being no

                 further business to come before the Senate, I

                 move we adjourn until Monday, January 24th, at

                 3:00 p.m., intervening days being legislative

                 days.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    On

                 motion, the Senate stands adjourned until

                 Monday, January 24th, at 3:00 p.m.

                 Intervening days will be legislative days.

                            (Whereupon, at 12:12 p.m., the

                 Senate adjourned.)