Regular Session - February 1, 2000

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                           NEW YORK STATE SENATE





                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD









                             ALBANY, NEW YORK

                             February 1, 2000

                                11:05 a.m.





                              REGULAR SESSION







                 LT. GOVERNOR MARY O. DONOHUE, President

                 STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary



















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                           P R O C E E D I N G S

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate will

                 come to order.

                            I ask everyone present to please

                 rise and repeat with me the Pledge of

                 Allegiance.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    In the absence of

                 clergy, may we all bow our heads in a moment

                 of silence, please.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage

                 respected a moment of silence.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reading of the

                 Journal.

                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

                 Monday, January 31st, the Senate met pursuant

                 to adjournment.  The Journal of Sunday,

                 January 30, was read and approved.  On motion,

                 Senate adjourned.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, the Journal stands approved as

                 read.

                            Presentation of petitions.

                            Messages from the Assembly.







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                            Messages from the Governor.

                            Reports of standing committees.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Rath,

                 from the Committee on Local Government,

                 reports:

                            Senate Print 2088, by Senator

                 Libous, an act to amend the Real Property Tax

                 Law;

                            2942, by Senator Rath, an act to

                 amend the General Municipal Law and others;

                            4072, by Senator Seward, an act to

                 amend the Town Law;

                            6171, by Senator Seward, an act to

                 amend the Real Property Tax Law;

                            And 6220, by Senator Saland, an act

                 to amend the General Municipal Law.

                            Senator Trunzo, from the Committee

                 on Transportation, reports:

                            Senate Print 4251, by Senator

                 Trunzo, an act to amend the Vehicle and

                 Traffic Law;

                            4409, by Senator Trunzo, an act to

                 amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law;

                            6374, by Senator Trunzo, an act to







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                 amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law;

                            And 6375, with amendments, by

                 Senator Trunzo, an act to amend the Vehicle

                 and Traffic Law.

                            Senator Hannon, from the Committee

                 on Health, reports:

                            Senate Print 1524, by Senator

                 Hannon, an act to amend the Public Health Law;

                            1541, by Senator Farley, an act to

                 amend the Public Health Law;

                            2197, by Senator Libous, an act to

                 amend the Public Health Law;

                            4722, by Senator Skelos, an act to

                 amend the Public Health Law and the Social

                 Services Law;

                            And 5213, by Senator Alesi, an act

                 to amend the Public Health Law.

                            All bills ordered direct to third

                 reading.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, the bills are directed to Third

                 Reading.

                            Reports of select committees.

                            Communications and reports from

                 state officers.







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                            Motions and resolutions.

                            Senator McGee.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            On behalf of Senator Maziarz, I

                 would ask that on page Number 16, I offer the

                 following amendment to Calendar Number 159,

                 Senate Print Bill Number 5180, and ask that

                 said bill retain its place on the Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendment is

                 received, and the bill will retain its place

                 on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            On behalf of Senator Rath, I would

                 ask that on page Number 18 I offer the

                 following amendments to Calendar Number 179,

                 Senate Print Number 6173, and ask that said

                 bill retain its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendment is

                 received, and the bill will retain its place

                 on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Thank you, Madam







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                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Nozzolio,

                 we have a substitution.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, take the substitutions.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    On page 13,

                 Senator Fuschillo moves to discharge, from the

                 Committee on Consumer Protection, Assembly

                 Bill Number 5912A, Senate Print 5731, Third

                 Reading Calendar 130.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The substitution

                 is ordered.

                            Senator Nozzolio.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, may we please adopt the Resolution

                 Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    All those in

                 favor of adopting the Resolution Calendar

                 signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

                            (No response.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Resolution







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                 Calendar is adopted.

                            Senator Nozzolio.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Is there

                 another substitution, Madam President?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The substitution

                 has been made, Senator Nozzolio.

                            Senator Nozzolio, I've been

                 informed that we have another committee

                 report.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, if we could return to standing

                 committees and please take that report.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Libous,

                 from the Committee on Mental Health and

                 Developmental Disabilities, reports:

                            Senate Print 2091, by Senator

                 Libous, an act to amend the Mental Hygiene

                 Law;

                            2102A, by Senator Libous, an act to

                 amend the Mental Hygiene Law and the Executive

                 Law;

                            2114, by Senator Libous, an act to

                 enact the Consumer-Oriented Reform Efforts and







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                 Mental Hygiene Agencies Act of 1999;

                            And Senate Print 4658, by Senator

                 Libous, an act to amend the Mental Hygiene

                 Law.

                            All bills ordered direct to third

                 reading.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, all bills directed to third

                 reading.

                            Senator Nozzolio.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, at this time may we please have the

                 noncontroversial reading of the calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 29, by Senator Johnson, Senate Print 1588, an

                 act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law, in

                 relation to requiring.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)







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                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 37.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 65, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 725A, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 endangering the welfare of a child.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Lay the bill

                 aside, please -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside, Senator.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    -- for

                 Senator Montgomery.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 68, by Senator Maltese, Senate Print 2191A, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 clarifying the definition of physical injury

                 or serious physical injury.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)







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                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 37.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            Senator Nozzolio.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, there will be an immediate meeting

                 of the Children and Families Committee in the

                 Senate Majority Conference Room.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    There will be an

                 immediate meeting of the Children and Families

                 Committee in the Majority Conference Room.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 84, by Senator McGee, Senate Print 4320, an

                 act to amend the Municipal Home Rule Law, in

                 relation to authorizing the Secretary of

                 State.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 January.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 37.







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                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 100, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 863,

                 an act to amend the Social Services Law, in

                 relation to the transportation of certain

                 persons.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Lay the bill

                 aside.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 101, by Senator Farley, Senate Print 3237, an

                 act to amend the Social Services Law, in

                 relation to requiring provision of notice.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect in 30 days.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 37.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number







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                 102, by Senator Morahan, Senate Print 5800, an

                 act to amend the Social Services Law, in

                 relation to county responsibility.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 37.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            Senator Nozzolio.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, Calendar Number 153, has that been

                 read?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Not yet, Senator.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 153, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 6325, an

                 act to amend the Executive Law, in relation to

                 the definition of a designated offender.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Lay it aside.







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                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.

                            That completes the reading of the

                 noncontroversial calendar, Senator Nozzolio.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.

                            Now may we have the reading of the

                 controversial calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 65, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 725A, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 endangering the welfare of a child.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Madam

                 President, can we have that bill temporarily

                 laid aside?  Senator Montgomery wants to be

                 heard on the bill, and she is in the Children

                 and Families Committee meeting.  If we could

                 have it laid aside till the end of the

                 calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

                 aside.







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                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 100, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 863,

                 an act to amend the Social Services Law, in

                 relation to the transportation of certain

                 persons.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Explanation,

                 Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco, an explanation has been

                 requested.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    What would

                 you like to know, Rick?  We debate this bill

                 every year, and it's very simple.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco asked me to yield to a question:

                 What do I want?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yeah, what

                 do you want?

                            No, it's a -- every year we do this

                 bill, we pass it.  And it basically is a bill







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                 that says that in the event that you are

                 capable of taking public transportation, you

                 should be required to do so.  And that means

                 capable.  If you're not capable, then

                 obviously another means of transportation has

                 to be provided to you.

                            And the concept is, number one, it

                 cuts costs, if you're capable.  It cuts the

                 cost of transportation in the Medicare system.

                 And, number two, what it does is it provides

                 much-needed revenue for public transportation,

                 which seems to periodically come to Albany

                 looking for funds to subsidize public

                 transportation.

                            So if the person is physically and

                 mentally capable, the transportation should

                 be, and under the bill would be, public

                 transportation.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Smith.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            Would the sponsor yield for a

                 couple of questions, please?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, do you

                 yield?







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                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Smith.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    Your last

                 statement indicated that if people were

                 capable of using public transportation.  Could

                 you tell me what studies have been done, and

                 by whom, to back up your theory that they

                 should take public transportation?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    There's

                 been no studies.  But if I'm capable of

                 getting on a bus and using public

                 transportation -- and that's a decision that's

                 ultimately going to be made by the Social

                 Services Department -- then I should be

                 required to do so.

                            Now, as far as studies, there's

                 been no studies.  It's just intuitively that

                 this should be a standard that government

                 should employ.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    Social Services

                 rather than a doctor should make this

                 decision?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well,

                 obviously the nature of the service is going







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                 to be such that somebody is going to have to

                 make a decision.  The doctor can't give a

                 prescription to the Social Services

                 Department.  The Social Services Department

                 would have to make the ultimate decision.

                            And clearly, if there's a

                 disagreement in that area, you could contest

                 that like you can contest any other decision

                 in public health, to the Social Services

                 Department for a fair hearing.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    Would the sponsor

                 continue to yield?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Thank you,

                 Senator Smith.

                            Senator DeFrancisco, do you

                 continue to yield?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Smith.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    Are you aware

                 that currently there is a provision for the

                 doctors to request transportation for the

                 patients, especially those that are going to

                 dialysis or to other forms of care on a

                 regular basis, and it is approved by the







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                 Department of Social Services?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Exactly

                 what I said.  The ultimate decision is the

                 Department of Social Services.  The physician

                 can provide whatever medical information is

                 necessary.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    And prior to the

                 transportation being taken, a number is given

                 which -- an approval number?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    I don't get

                 the point.  I assume that's what happens.  The

                 Department of Social Services, once they make

                 the decision, as I mentioned twice before,

                 would approve it or disapprove it.

                            I assume there's an approval number

                 or maybe an approval letter.  I don't know

                 exactly what physical document is provided.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Smith, do

                 you have another question?

                            SENATOR SMITH:    Yes, I do.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Do you continue

                 to yield, Senator DeFrancisco?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Smith.







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                            SENATOR SMITH:    You also stated

                 that they should take public transportation,

                 once again, if they're capable.  Are you aware

                 that in the City of New York most of the buses

                 that are supposedly handicapped-accessible,

                 that the bus drivers do not have keys to open

                 the back, the rear, so that the wheelchairs

                 could get onto the buses?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well, isn't

                 the solution to get the keys rather than to

                 get people who are capable of getting on

                 transportation not be required to do so?

                            If in the administration of any

                 program someone is doing it inefficiently and

                 foolishly, such as not being able to access a

                 lift for a handicapped individual, then that

                 should be -- the administration should be

                 called on that, and they should be required to

                 administer the laws as we make them.

                            And so obviously, if someone

                 doesn't have the key, that's incompetence.

                 And that doesn't affect the concept of a law

                 that requires a certain thing.  It affects the

                 enforcement by those who are bound by the law.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    I'm so pleased to







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                 hear you say that, since you're -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Smith, do

                 you have another question?

                            SENATOR SMITH:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Do you continue

                 to yield, Senator -

                            SENATOR SMITH:    -- since you're

                 in the Majority, and -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Smith,

                 please wait.

                            Senator DeFrancisco, do you

                 continue to yield?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    You may proceed,

                 Senator Smith, with another question.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    The question is

                 since you are in the Majority and you have the

                 opportunity to oversee this, why hasn't it

                 been done?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    I'm trying

                 to figure out what the question is.  But I

                 don't work for whatever county you're talking

                 about in the City of New York.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    But you have -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Smith, do







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                 you wish to have time yielded to you?  Is that

                 why you're rising?

                            SENATOR SMITH:    I don't need time

                 to be yielded, because he's a smartass.  I

                 think that -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Smith,

                 that's out of order -

                            SENATOR SMITH:    So is he.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    -- and that will

                 not be tolerated in this Senate.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    So is he.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Do you have a

                 question, Senator Smith?

                            SENATOR SMITH:    My questions have

                 ceased.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Please be seated.

                            SENATOR SMITH:    Thank you.  The

                 same to you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            Senator Stavisky.

                            SENATOR STAVISKY:    Yes, I have a

                 very brief question.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco, do you yield for a question?







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                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Stavisky.

                            SENATOR STAVISKY:    Is the Senator

                 familiar with the No. 7 train which goes from

                 Times Square to Main Street, Flushing?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Familiar

                 with it?  No.

                            SENATOR STAVISKY:    With the No. 7

                 train that goes past Shea Stadium?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    No, I

                 haven't ridden that train.

                            SENATOR STAVISKY:    Okay.  The

                 No. 7 train is an elevated train once it comes

                 through the East River.  And it has no

                 accessibility for the disabled whatsoever.

                 It's an elevated structure, and therefore

                 impossible for people with disabilities to

                 use.  How would you resolve the question?

                            We are putting in elevators and

                 escalators.  Unfortunately, the escalators

                 that have been installed at the Main Street,

                 Flushing, station do not work.  They are

                 putting escalators and elevators in at one

                 other spot.  But for the balance of the No. 7







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                 line, the subway line, the elevated IRT, there

                 is no accessibility for the disabled

                 whatsoever.  And that train runs entirely

                 through my Senate district.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    If that's

                 the circumstance, then obviously the

                 individual is not capable of using that

                 transportation if they're disabled.  So they

                 would -- the county would not be required -

                 or the individual would not be required to use

                 that transportation.

                            And it goes back to Senator Smith

                 talking about dialysis.  I mean, those

                 situations that are situations where the

                 person cannot use it because their mental or

                 physical incapability or because of the

                 inaccessibility because keys aren't found or

                 there's no elevator or whatever it may be, it

                 would not apply to that situation.

                            SENATOR STAVISKY:    I have one

                 more question.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco, do you yield for an additional

                 question?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.







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                            THE PRESIDENT:    Thank you.  Go

                 ahead, Senator.

                            SENATOR STAVISKY:    How does this

                 impact on the federal Americans with

                 Disabilities Act?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    If someone

                 is incapable of being -- using public

                 transportation, then that individual would be

                 allowed to have a taxicab or some alternate

                 means of transportation or a special-type bus.

                 And those are the people that are protected by

                 the Americans With Disabilities Act.

                            I'm referring to -- this bill is

                 talking about individuals who are able to use

                 public transportation should be required to

                 and they're not presently.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

                 the negative on Calendar Number 100 are

                 Senators Connor, Duane, Gentile, Gonzalez,







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                 Hevesi, Markowitz, Onorato, Rosado, Sampson,

                 Santiago, Schneiderman, Smith, and Stavisky.

                 Ayes, 33.  Nays, 13.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 153, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 6325, an

                 act to amend the Executive Law, in relation to

                 the definition of a designated offender.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Explanation,

                 please.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Volker,

                 an explanation has been requested.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    This is an

                 amendment to the DNA legislation which passed

                 late last year, which for the most part, this

                 creates some clarifying amendments to it.

                            There was a question when the bill

                 passed back in December about the designated

                 offender in relation to larceny.  And this

                 specifies that what was intended was grand

                 larceny.  And it specifies then, because of

                 the confusion over language, that the date

                 would be December 1st -- which was actually

                 the date the bill was signed -- the date in







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                 which those offenders, those people that are

                 convicted of grand larceny, would have to

                 submit to DNA tests.

                            Then there are several other

                 provisions that relate to clarifying the issue

                 of appeals in the DNA area.  As I understand

                 it, these provisions were essentially agreed

                 on between the Assembly, the Senate, and the

                 Governor in December, but we were never able

                 to get to it to finalize it.

                            So this is not something that -- as

                 you notice, Joe Lentol is the sponsor in the

                 Assembly.  And what this bill really is is, in

                 effect, a chapter amendment to the bill that

                 passed back in December.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Duane.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you very

                 much, Madam President.  I'd like to speak on

                 the bill.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    On the bill,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you.

                            I find it ironic that after we

                 spent so much time last year working on this

                 bill that it needs to have these kinds of







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                 clarifications.

                            My objections remain the same.  I

                 believe that this whole DNA database is a

                 slippery slope.  I think that we will continue

                 to see more people piled into the parameters

                 of this legislation, impacting terribly, and

                 very negatively, the privacy of citizens of

                 this state.

                            And I also believe that one of the

                 things that certainly should have been looked

                 at is how long the samples are kept and how

                 long they need to be kept and how it is that

                 they will be disposed of.  That the

                 legislation is completely silent on those

                 issues.

                            I also find it ironic that we go to

                 such great lengths to compile blood samples

                 for DNA and to focus on compiling a database

                 on criminals, and yet there is this incredible

                 resistance to keeping a database on hate

                 crimes which occur in our state.  The State

                 Police itself does not keep facts and figures

                 on hate crimes, and yet clearly it's a problem

                 which has been and will continue to face our

                 state.







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                            If we can focus so much time and

                 attention on the DNA database and come back

                 and reconfigure the legislation and fix it up,

                 I don't understand why it is that we can't

                 spend a little bit of time mandating that the

                 State of New York keep records on the terrible

                 problem of hate crimes in our state.

                            Thank you, Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Madam

                 President, will the sponsor yield to just one

                 question?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Sure.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Volker,

                 will you yield to a question?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Certainly.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Go ahead, Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Senator, as

                 always, I come to the floor and read these

                 bills -- and on the second page of this bill,

                 we're substantially expanding the appeal

                 period for what appears to be a specific case.

                 Is there a specific case that this bill would







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                 impact in which the motion was made prior to

                 December 1st?

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    No, I think the

                 problem has to do with -- I don't think it's

                 for a specific case.

                            What it is, I think they're trying

                 to clarify how the appeals process would work.

                 Remember that if you're looking at -- the

                 problem here is this bill actually -- although

                 the Assembly passed it, I forget, back in the

                 late summer after we left town, the actual

                 passage of this legislation was in November,

                 late November.  And then December 1st it

                 became effective.

                            And the question, I guess, is when

                 appeals were filed in certain cases; for

                 instance, relating to larceny.  As I

                 understand it, part of the problem was that

                 since there was some question as to whether

                 grand larceny was to be included, I think what

                 this does is -- as I understand it, what this

                 does is try to clarify what the appeals

                 situation is in these kinds of cases.

                            At least that's what I've been

                 told, that this is an attempt to work out in







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                 legal form -- as opposed, by the way, to what

                 one of our local judges just did, just declare

                 something unconstitutional -- trying to

                 clarify so we'll have a body of law that

                 determines how the appeals process works.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    And I

                 appreciate Senator Volker's answer.  My

                 question is, does the language in that

                 portion -- which seems to say, as I read it,

                 that you've got till 30 days after the

                 decision has been served and entered, which is

                 the standard we have for all appeals, both

                 civil and criminal in this state, or until

                 September 1st of the year 2000, whichever is

                 later.

                            And my question, through you, Madam

                 President, is does that mean if you file and

                 serve your -- the order, even if the 30 days

                 passes you still have until September 1st?  If

                 I filed and served that order now, I'd have

                 nine months to appeal?







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                            SENATOR VOLKER:    I think there

                 is -- I think the attempt here is to give some

                 additional time.

                            Because, for one thing, you've got

                 to realize this is going to take a long time

                 for these samples to be taken.  One thing I

                 think everyone should realize is this is not

                 going to be done overnight.  This is going to

                 take a long, long time before this is done.

                            And I think the idea is to give

                 some length of time after this bill is in

                 effect, it comes into effect, to be able to,

                 if you wish, to make challenges.

                            And by the way, I'm told there have

                 been almost no challenges to the taking of

                 DNA.  In fact, I think it's been -- well, I'm

                 not sure.  But it's been very, very few to the

                 taking of DNA.

                            So I think what they're trying to

                 do here, this is an attempt, frankly, to give

                 some -- these are convicted criminals -- some

                 option.  Actually, it gives them a longer

                 option to appeal their ability to have DNA

                 taken from them.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator







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                 Dollinger, do you have another question?

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.  I guess -

                            THE PRESIDENT:    On the bill.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I'm going to

                 vote for this bill on the strength of Senator

                 Volker's explanation.  What we're doing here

                 is trying to give more time.

                            I'm only intrigued because it would

                 seem to me, Senator Volker, that the samples

                 would all be a part of the lower court initial

                 determination.  We'd have the samples, there

                 would be a ruling by the lower court.

                            I'm always a bit nervous when we

                 expand appellate periods of time.  I mean, the

                 president has sat as a judge and knows

                 whenever we say to someone "You've got 30

                 days," the courts in this state -- and I think

                 everybody's kind of enamored of the notion

                 that you either do it within 30 days or you

                 wave your case goodbye.  And this seems to

                 suggest we're going to substantially expand

                 the appellate period, and I'm always nervous

                 when we do that.

                            So I understand that this is a







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                 beneficial statute designed to preserve the

                 rights of those who have been accused in order

                 to give them more time to work out this new

                 DNA identification rubric or protocol.  I'm

                 willing to buy that, based on Senator Volker's

                 explanation.

                            But I just look at this and I see

                 us substantially expanding appellate times.

                 And that's always, at least from my

                 perspective, a very questionable idea, even

                 though it may serve a beneficial purpose.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 48.  Nays,

                 1.  Senator Duane recorded in the negative.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            Senator Meier.

                            SENATOR MEIER:    Madam President,

                 could you announce, please, an immediate

                 meeting of the Labor Committee in the Majority







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                 Conference Room.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    There will be an

                 immediate meeting of the Labor Committee in

                 the Majority Conference Room.

                            Senator Meier.

                            SENATOR MEIER:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.  Could you please recognize Senator

                 Seabrook.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Seabrook.

                            SENATOR SEABROOK:    Yes, Madam

                 President.  With unanimous consent, I'd like

                 to be recorded in the negative on Calendar

                 100.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The record will

                 so reflect your vote in the negative, Senator

                 Seabrook.

                            SENATOR SEABROOK:    Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Meier.

                            SENATOR MEIER:    Madam President,

                 could we now please take up Calendar Number

                 65.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 65, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 725A, an







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                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 endangering the welfare of a child.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

                 section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 6.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 50.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

                 passed.

                            Senator Meier, that completes the

                 controversial reading of the calendar.

                            SENATOR MEIER:    Madam President,

                 could we return, please, to the order of

                 motions and resolutions and open up Resolution

                 Number 2884 for sponsorship by all members.

                 And those who do not wish could perhaps inform

                 the desk.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    We will return to

                 motions and resolutions.  The Secretary will

                 read.

                            Anyone who does not wish to be on

                 the sponsorship of this resolution, please







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                 notify the desk.  It's Number 2884.

                            Senator Meier.

                            SENATOR MEIER:    Madam President,

                 may we please return to the order of reports

                 of standing committees.  I believe there are

                 reports at the desk.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    We will return to

                 reports of standing committees.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Saland,

                 from the Committee on Children and Families,

                 reports:

                            Senate Print 1075, by Senator

                 Skelos, an act to amend the Social Services

                 Law and the Family Court Act;

                            2721, by Senator Saland, an act to

                 amend the Family Court Act;

                            And 3815B, by Senator Saland, an

                 act to amend the Family Court Act.

                            Senator Padavan, from the Committee

                 on Cities, reports:

                            Senate Print 1734, with amendments,

                 by Senator Velella, an act to amend the

                 General City Law and the Penal Law;

                            2358, by Senator Velella, an act to







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                 amend the Real Property Tax Law;

                            3597A, by Senator Velella, an act

                 to amend the Administrative Code of the City

                 of New York;

                            6257, by Senator Larkin, an act in

                 relation to establishing a library district;

                            And 6289, by Senator Volker, an act

                 to amend the Local Finance Law.

                            All bills ordered direct to third

                 reading.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, all bills ordered direct to third

                 reading.

                            Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Good morning,

                 Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Good morning,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    With unanimous

                 consent -- which means that no one in this

                 house would object -- I would like to be

                 recorded in the negative on Calendar Number

                 100.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, you will

                 be so recorded as voting in the negative on







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                 Calendar 100.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    You're welcome.

                            Senator Meier.

                            SENATOR MEIER:    Madam President,

                 is there any housekeeping at the desk?

                            THE SECRETARY:    No, there is not,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR MEIER:    Madam President,

                 could you please announce that there will be

                 an immediate meeting of the Majority

                 Conference after session today.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    There will be an

                 immediate meeting of the Majority Conference

                 after session.

                            Senator Meier.

                            SENATOR MEIER:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            There being no further business to

                 come before the Senate, I move we adjourn

                 until February 7 at 3:00 p.m., intervening

                 days being legislative days.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    On motion, the

                 Senate stands adjourned until Monday,

                 February 7th, 3:00 p.m., intervening days







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                 being legislative days.

                            (Whereupon, at 11:40 a.m., the

                 Senate adjourned.)