Regular Session - May 29, 2001

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                           NEW YORK STATE SENATE





                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD









                             ALBANY, NEW YORK

                               May 29, 2001

                                 3:07 p.m.





                              REGULAR SESSION







                 LT. GOVERNOR MARY O. DONOHUE, President

                 STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary

















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                           P R O C E E D I N G S

                            THE PRESIDENT:    I ask everyone

                 present to please rise and repeat with me the

                 Pledge of Allegiance.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    In the absence of

                 clergy, may we each bow our heads in a moment

                 of silence.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage

                 respected a moment of silence.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Bruno.

                            SENATOR BRUNO:    Madam President,

                 my colleagues, before we go into our regular

                 session in regular order, I would like to

                 announce that for the first time in the

                 history of New York State, this legislative

                 proceeding will be live, on the Internet,

                 gavel to gavel.

                            We are the first house in the

                 Legislature.  This chamber was wired within

                 the last couple of years.  When I became

                 leader, one of the first things that we talked

                 about was coverage, gavel to gavel, on cable

                 or on the Internet.  We join 25 other states





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                 that have gavel-to-gavel coverage.

                            And Senator Paterson was a few

                 minutes late because he indicated that he was

                 in makeup.  And that is understandable.

                            But I want to just share that our

                 proceedings will be in 71 percent of the

                 households in New York State.  98 percent of

                 all the libraries have Internet access, most

                 businesses in New York State, all of the

                 university systems, the schools.

                            So we are opening up the

                 legislative proceedings here in the Senate to

                 the public, again for the first time in the

                 history of this state.

                            So I want to applaud my colleagues

                 here in the Senate, those that have served

                 over these years to get us to this point.  We

                 will be on cable, we're on cable Sunday, along

                 with the Governor and the Speaker.  And that

                 on cable is Sunday mornings, and it is canned

                 as relates to what goes on here during the

                 week.

                            We are not on cable now because a

                 C-Span -- and this is important to

                 understand -- application, by the Rockefeller





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                 Institute's appraisal, is a $10 million to

                 $30 million project, with a cost of about

                 $3 million a year.  Cable itself cannot

                 presently handle gavel to gavel.  They do not

                 have facilities.  As they get broader

                 bandwidth and they are able to accommodate us,

                 we will be on cable.

                            So I share all of that with you.

                 The cost, for us to be up, about $450,000, and

                 about $150,000 a year.

                            So thank you, Madam President, and

                 I thank my colleagues for your cooperation in

                 where we are here at this historic moment in

                 all of our lives.  Thank you.

                            Can we have the reading of the

                 Journal.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reading of the

                 Journal.

                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

                 Monday, May 27, the Senate met pursuant to

                 adjournment.  The Journal of Saturday, May 26,

                 was read and approved.  On motion, Senate

                 adjourned.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without

                 objection, the Journal stands approved as





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                 read.

                            Presentation of petitions.

                            Messages from the Assembly.

                            Messages from the Governor.

                            Reports of standing committees.

                            Reports of select committees.

                            Communications and reports from

                 state officers.

                            Motions and resolutions.

                            Senator Kuhl.

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Yes, Madam

                 President.  On page 12 I offer the following

                 amendments to Calendar Number 221, Senate

                 Print 2905A, and ask that said bill retain its

                 place on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendment is

                 received, Senator, and the bill will retain

                 its place on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    You're welcome.

                            Senator Lack.

                            SENATOR LACK:    Thank you, Madam

                 President.  On page 49, I offer the following

                 amendments to Calendar Number 784, Senate





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                 Print 4784, and ask that said bill retain its

                 place on Third Reading Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendment is

                 received, and the bill will retain its place

                 on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            Senator LaValle.

                            SENATOR LAVALLE:    Madam

                 President, on page 43 I offer the following

                 amendments to Calendar Number 715, Senate

                 Print Number 4127, and ask that said bill

                 retain its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendment is

                 received, and the bill will retain its place

                 on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            Senator Nozzolio.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, on behalf of Senator Morahan,

                 please place a sponsor's star on Calendar

                 Number 369.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    So ordered,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, on page number 36, the following

                 amendments are offered to Calendar Number 638,





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                 Print Number 357A, and I ask that said bill,

                 on behalf of Senator Morahan, be placed on

                 Third Reading Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendment is

                 received, and the bill will retain its place

                 on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Madam

                 President, on page number 39, the following

                 amendments are offered to Calendar Number 672,

                 Senate Print Number 1377A, and Senator Morahan

                 asks that said bill retain its place on Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendments

                 are received, and the bill will retain its

                 place on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            Senator Fuschillo.

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.  On behalf of Senator

                 Maltese, on page number 41, I offer the

                 following amendments to Calendar Number 699,

                 Senate Print Number 4913, and ask that said

                 bill retain its place on Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The amendments

                 are received, and the bill will retain its





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                 place on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            Senator Trunzo.

                            SENATOR TRUNZO:    Madam President,

                 on the starred calendar would you please

                 remove the star from Calendar Number 288.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    So ordered,

                 Senator.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 are there any substitutions at the desk?

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Yes, there are,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    I ask that they

                 be made at this time.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    On page 21,

                 Senator Trunzo moves to discharge, from the

                 Committee on Rules, Assembly Bill Number 6433

                 and substitute it for the identical Senate

                 Bill Number 3228, Third Reading Calendar 424.

                            And on page 27, Senator Goodman

                 moves to discharge, from the Committee on

                 Rules, Assembly Bill Number 7788 and

                 substitute it for the identical Senate Bill





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                 Number 4778, Third Reading Calendar 531.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Substitutions

                 ordered.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 there's a privileged resolution at the desk by

                 Senator Leibell.  I ask that the title be read

                 and move for its immediate adoption.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

                 will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

                 Leibell, Legislative Resolution Number 2119,

                 honoring Aldo Belardo upon the occasion of his

                 designation as the recipient of the da Vinci

                 Award from the Circolo da Vinci on May 30,

                 2001.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The question is

                 on the resolution.  All in favor signify by

                 saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

                            (No response.)

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution is

                 adopted.

                            Senator Skelos.





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                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 would you please recognize Senator Dollinger.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Madam President.

                            I hereby give written notice,

                 pursuant to Senate Rule XI, that I will move

                 to amend the Rules and add a new rule, XV,

                 establishing ethical standards for members,

                 officers, and employees of the New York State

                 Senate.

                            I would ask that that be recorded

                 in the Journal, Madam President.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    The notice of

                 motion has been received, Senator Dollinger,

                 and it will be recorded in the Journal.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you.

                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

                 if we could have the noncontroversial reading

                 of the calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read the noncontroversial

                 calendar.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 108, by Member of the Assembly Lentol,

                 Assembly Print Number 808A, an act to amend

                 the Penal Law, in relation to arson.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 44.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 249, by the Assembly Committee on Rules,

                 Assembly Print Number 8357, an act to amend

                 the Surrogate's Court Procedure Act, in

                 relation to giving notice.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the





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                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 44.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 446, by Senator LaValle, Senate Print -

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Lay the bill

                 aside for the day, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 480, by Senator McGee, Senate Print 3964, an

                 act in relation to legalizing, validating,

                 ratifying, and confirming.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 505, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 2923,

                 an act to amend the General Municipal Law.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 553, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 1327A, an

                 act to amend the Tax Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 578, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 5132, an

                 act to amend the Private Housing Finance Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 44.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 592, by Senator Farley, Senate Print 3086, an

                 act to authorize the City of Gloversville.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    There's





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                 a home rule message at the desk.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 5.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 44.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 596, by Senator Rath, Senate Print 3423A, an

                 act to amend the County Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 44.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 631, by Senator Kuhl, Senate Print 3230, an





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                 act to amend the Public Health Law, in

                 relation to the Southern Tier.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 45.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 634, by Senator Hannon, Senate Print 4394, an

                 act to amend Chapter 521 of the Laws of 1994.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 654, by Senator Saland, Senate Print 4235, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 custodial interference.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This





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                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 45.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 692, by Senator Meier, Senate Print 4863B, an

                 act to amend the Social Services Law, in

                 relation to extending.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 45.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 767, by Senator Balboni, Senate Print -

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.





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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 780, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 4954, an

                 act to authorize the participation of the

                 County of Erie.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    There is

                 a home rule message at the desk.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 793, by Member of the Assembly Gottfried,

                 Assembly Print Number 7494A, an act to amend

                 Chapter 725 of the Laws of 1989.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 803, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print

                 2567, an act in relation to authorizing the

                 County of Onondaga.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 806, by Senator Seward, Senate Print 3517, an

                 act to amend the State Finance Law, in

                 relation to matching funds.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay that

                 aside, please, Mr. President.  My apologies.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 808, by Senator Larkin, Senate Print 3831, an

                 act to amend the Racing, Pari-Mutuel Wagering

                 and Breeding Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.





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                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 50.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 813, by Senator Balboni, Senate Print 4208A,

                 an act to amend the Environmental Conservation

                 Law, in relation to matching grants.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 814, by Senator Marcellino, Senate Print 4729,

                 an act to amend the Environmental Conservation

                 Law, in relation to local land use.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 50.





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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 822, by Senator Maziarz, Senate Print 4057, an

                 act to amend the Not-for-Profit Corporation

                 Law, in relation to allowing.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 862, by Senator Johnson, Senate Print 5066A,

                 an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law,

                 in relation to reflective markings.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 50.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number





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                 875, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 4250, an

                 act to amend the Public Service Law and the

                 State Administrative Procedure Act, in

                 relation to endorsement.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect in 90 days.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 50.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 916, by Senator Maziarz, Senate Print 4964, an

                 act to amend Chapter 693 of the Laws of 1996.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 50.





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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 948, by Senator Farley, Senate Print 2841, an

                 act to amend the Education Law, in relation to

                 authorizing.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 April.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 50.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 960 -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Farley.

                            SENATOR FARLEY:    I just want to

                 explain my vote on this bill of mine that just

                 passed, 948.

                            It's a rather unique piece of





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                 legislation -- 59 sponsors of this bill.

                 Seldom does anything have that kind of support

                 in any house, and I'm very proud of it.  It's

                 one that allows senior citizens 60 years of

                 age to take courses for credit without tuition

                 in New York State.

                            And I applaud my colleagues for

                 supporting the bill.  And this year we're

                 going to get it out of the Assembly and pass

                 it.

                            Thank you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            The Secretary will continue to

                 read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 960, by Senator Sampson, Senate Print 1720, an

                 act authorizing the City of New York.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 49.  Nays,

                 1.  Senator Dollinger recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 963, by Senator Saland, Senate Print 3204 -

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Lay it aside for

                 the day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 965, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 3356A, an

                 act to amend the Bay Park Library Services

                 Act.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay that

                 aside, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 966, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 4236,

                 an act to -

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the





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                 bill aside.

                            Senator Skelos, that completes the

                 reading of the noncontroversial calendar.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.  If we could go to the

                 controversial calendar at this time.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read the controversial

                 calendar.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 480, by Senator McGee, Senate Print 3964, an

                 act in relation to legalizing, validating,

                 ratifying, and confirming certain acts and

                 proceedings.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 McGee, an explanation has been requested of

                 Calendar 480 by Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            This bill legalizes, validates,

                 ratifies, and confirms certain actions taken

                 by the Hinsdale Central School District with

                 respect to certain transportation contracts

                 for the 1999-2000 school year.





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                            Due to administrative error, the

                 Hinsdale Central School District missed the

                 deadline for filing certain transportation

                 contracts.  These contracts were for the

                 services of children with special needs, which

                 the district bus fleet is not equipped to

                 provide.

                            This legislation will allow

                 Hinsdale to obtain $17,673 in transportation

                 aid, the full amount to which it would have

                 been entitled if the contract had been filed

                 in a timely manner.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 if Senator McGee would yield for a question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 McGee, do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Yes, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, was

                 the lack of seasonable response, the fact that

                 the filing of the contracts was not timely,





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                 was this ministerial or was there some other

                 reason for the delay?

                            SENATOR McGEE:    I believe that it

                 was an administrative issue, because they had

                 a change of clerks and business managers.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 I have one last question for Senator McGee.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 McGee, do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Absolutely.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 my question just relates to no real problem

                 with correcting this issue, but any

                 information that the Senator can give our

                 colleagues as to how this type of situation

                 might be avoided in the future.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Well, I would -

                 oh, if I may, I would assume that any time

                 that there is a clerk or a business manager

                 that leaves a school, there should be a neat

                 and orderly transition.  This was not the case





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                 in this particular issue.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            There is a local fiscal impact note

                 at the desk.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 505, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 2923,

                 an act to amend the General Municipal Law, in

                 relation to taking of billboards.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Lay it aside

                 temporarily.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside temporarily.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 553, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 1327A, an





                                                          8200



                 act to amend the Tax Law, in relation to

                 disclosure.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright, an explanation has been requested of

                 Calendar 553 by Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            The bill before us today will amend

                 the state tax laws and require the disclosure

                 of any overpayment of taxes by a taxpayer.

                            As you may recall, in 1992 we

                 passed legislation referred to as the

                 Taxpayer's Bill of Rights.  We see this as a

                 very logical extension of that same practice,

                 ensuring and codifying fair treatment for all

                 taxpayers.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 if Senator Wright would be kind enough to

                 yield for a question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright, do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    I'll be glad to





                                                          8201



                 yield for a question, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Senator yields.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you.

                            Mr. President, I voted for this

                 bill last year.  I don't have a problem voting

                 for it again.  I'm just curious -

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    I thank you,

                 Senator.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    I'm just

                 curious, because the bill was vetoed by the

                 Governor.  So I was wondering if Senator

                 Wright would explain to all of us what the

                 Governor's concerns were and perhaps how they

                 may be alleviated, either through discussion

                 or by any changes that have been made to the

                 legislation.

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    I'll be glad to,

                 Mr. President.

                            The Governor has no objection

                 whatsoever to disclosing to the taxpayer when

                 there has been an overpayment made.  In fact,

                 he has directed that that be the policy of the

                 Department of Taxation and Finance.

                            However, the language we had in





                                                          8202



                 last year's bill he felt could lead to an

                 erroneous interpretation by the court that

                 there may be an outstanding state liability

                 over and beyond the statute of limitations

                 established for the period of recovery and

                 therefore could expose the state,

                 theoretically, to a potential loss of

                 $38 million in revenue.

                            Consequently, he felt that a

                 technical amendment, which we have

                 incorporated in this year's bill, could

                 address that.  So we have incorporated that in

                 this year's legislation.

                            We appreciate the support over each

                 of the last two years -- three years for this

                 bill.  And the companion version has been

                 introduced in the Assembly and hopefully will

                 have a like result.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the





                                                          8203



                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 634, by Senator Hannon, Senate Print 4394, an

                 act to amend Chapter 521 of the Laws of 1994.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Hannon, an explanation has been requested of

                 Calendar 634.

                            SENATOR HANNON:    Thank you very

                 much.

                            This bill would extend for two

                 years the existence of the advisory council in

                 regard to immunization, which basically has

                 the purpose of taking a number of interested

                 entities and having them watch the state's

                 program of immunization of children and making

                 a report if needed.

                            The members of the council are

                 appointed by both the Majority and Minority of

                 each of the Senate and the Assembly.





                                                          8204



                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, if the sponsor will yield for a

                 question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Hannon, do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR HANNON:    That I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Senator, I

                 have supported this program in the past, and I

                 would intend to support it again.

                            My question is, pursuant to the

                 most recent authorization for this, did we

                 require a report on the immunization registry

                 as part of our last statutory enactment when

                 we put this into effect?

                            SENATOR HANNON:    That we did,

                 Senator Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    And through

                 you, Mr. President, if Senator Hannon will

                 continue to yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Hannon, do you continue to yield?





                                                          8205



                            SENATOR HANNON:    Yes.  Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Has the State

                 Health Department produced that report for the

                 Chairman of the Health Committee or for the

                 Assembly Health Committee?

                            SENATOR HANNON:    I have not seen

                 that.

                            And since you raised that, quite

                 legitimately, at the committee meeting, the

                 inquiries have been made.  And we are told

                 that it is in draft stage and its final

                 production is expected.  When asked when, we

                 were not able to get that pinned down.  So I

                 don't have an answer there.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, just briefly on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger, on the bill.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I'm going to

                 vote in favor of this bill and encourage

                 everybody in the house to do that.  But we

                 have a continuing trend -- I've talked about

                 this with the chair of the Health Committee,





                                                          8206



                 and I note that perhaps because of my

                 political affiliation, it's easier for me to

                 articulate, but I think it's one that's shared

                 beyond simply a member of the Democratic

                 members of the Health Committee.

                            And that is as part of our

                 sunsetting these provisions, we require the

                 State Health Department to report to us on how

                 it's going.  In essence, that's all it is, is

                 it's just an evaluation of the initial setup

                 of the program, the immunization registry -

                 which I think is a great idea, it gives us

                 documentary information and public health

                 information we need to be able to plan and

                 make a determination as to the success or

                 failure of this program or its potential for

                 even greater success or for changes that could

                 make it more effective.

                            And it seems to me that we can't do

                 that if the State Health Department doesn't

                 start providing us with these reports.

                            I know I've talked with the

                 chairman of the Health Committee about this

                 and said we have a number of extenders that we

                 are going to do this year which continue





                                                          8207



                 policies that I think are on the mark.  But

                 we're looking for guidance from the

                 professionals in the Health Department to make

                 sure that our gut reaction and our political

                 sense and our anecdotal information is

                 actually an accurate reflection of good,

                 scientific, public health data.

                            So I'm going to vote in favor of

                 this, Mr. Chair.  I appreciate your continuing

                 not only monitoring but sponsoring of the

                 extenders in these programs.  But it just

                 seems to me we should really demand that the

                 Health Department provide us with this

                 technical assistance and guidance to make

                 these programs not only continue but hopefully

                 improve them as well.

                            I'm going to vote in favor.  I'd

                 encourage everybody to do that.  But the State

                 Health Department should begin to start

                 putting these reports in place to guide us in

                 our future deliberations.

                            Thank you, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Hannon.

                            SENATOR HANNON:    Just to comment,





                                                          8208



                 and maybe to amplify.

                            The very fact that this council

                 exists and looks at both the rates of

                 immunization themselves and the types of new

                 immunizations that will be recommended by the

                 expert groups gives us some confidence,

                 because of the nature of the group.  It has

                 people from provider organizations, insurers,

                 public health officials, consumer advocates

                 and consumers.

                            And knowing how articulate and not

                 at all shy the range of people involved in

                 health care are throughout this state, I know

                 that should there be problems, that they would

                 quickly come to our attention.

                            So I would commend this for

                 passage.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.





                                                          8209



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 767, by Senator Balboni, Senate Print 3690, an

                 act in relation to allowing the Zion Baptist

                 Church to file an application.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, a brief explanation -- I heard him

                 say "brief" -

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Oh, thank you

                 very much.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    -- has

                 been requested by Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            October nine -- October, I think it

                 was the 19th of 2000, in the Zion Baptist

                 Church located in Port Washington, New York,

                 which has been in existence and serving the

                 community spiritually for -- let's see, I

                 guess since 1919 -- they wound up opening

                 their mail and finding a letter from the





                                                          8210



                 assessor's office saying to them, Dear

                 taxpayer:  You own the property located at

                 such-and-such mortgage -- I mean,

                 such-and-such a parcel, and you owe taxes.

                            Now, this came as a shock, because

                 as far as the Zion Baptist Church knew, they

                 had applied properly for the tax-exempt status

                 that we as a nation provide to religious

                 institutions.

                            Lo and behold, when they checked

                 with the assessor's office, they found that in

                 fact there had been a clerical error which had

                 resulted in that religious institution being

                 taken off the tax-exempt rolls and being

                 placed into the taxable rolls.  As a result of

                 that clerical error, the church owes

                 approximately $10,000.

                            As soon as that letter arrived and

                 an investigation was conducted by the church,

                 the church took the necessary and appropriate

                 steps to inform the assessor's office that in

                 fact the clerical error was going to result in

                 a hardship for them and it should be reversed.

                 And it was, but prospectively only.

                            And therefore, this church is under





                                                          8211



                 the burden of having to pay the 10,000-plus

                 dollars unless we in this Legislature correct

                 it, notwithstanding the fact that there was a

                 clerical error.

                            Thank you, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, if the sponsor will yield to

                 just one question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, do you yield?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    How did it

                 come about that the church had to file a

                 property tax exemption?  Had it had just

                 recently purchased the property?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President,

                 through you, it is not clear from the

                 communications with the church as to why this

                 communication came from the assessor's office.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,





                                                          8212



                 Mr. President, if the sponsor will yield.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Oh, you

                 were only tantalizing us.  Another question.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I was, Mr.

                 President.  The answer wasn't what I

                 anticipated.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, do you yield for another question?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Well, through

                 you, Mr. President, was this a new piece of

                 property or is this a piece of property that

                 they had owned for several years that the

                 clerical error was made on?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    The information

                 that I received both from the assessor's

                 office and from the church indicate that there

                 was no change in status of the ownership of

                 the parcel, merely that it was taken off of

                 the rolls.





                                                          8213



                            As to what event led to that

                 actually occurring, I do not know.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.  Just briefly on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger, on the bill.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    As everyone

                 in this house knows, I have routinely voted

                 against and will continue to vote against the

                 partial property tax exemption relief bill

                 that Senator Balboni -- and I would point out

                 that Senator Balboni, who's always concerned

                 by my commitment to bipartisanship, I voted

                 against the bill from Senator Sampson as well,

                 just to show that I will treat my colleagues

                 on both sides of the aisle on this issue the

                 same.

                            I go back to the fundamental point

                 I have made in this chamber repeatedly.  The

                 question of a partial property tax exemption

                 or abating property taxes through a partial

                 year is a power that ought to be given to the

                 assessors.  Whether they're in the community

                 of the county of Nassau or the town of

                 Brighton that I represent or the city of





                                                          8214



                 Rochester that I represent, they should all be

                 treated the same.

                            We should pass a statewide bill

                 that allows the assessors to grant partial

                 property tax exemptions or, as in the case of

                 Senator Balboni's Zion Baptist Church, we

                 should allow them to abate property taxes and

                 relieve communities from property tax

                 exemptions when they have a good excuse; as in

                 case, a clerical error.

                            Instead, we handle these bills all

                 one at a time.  We don't have a statewide

                 bills that allows assessors to do this.

                 Senator Hannon had the bill in the house I

                 believe last year.  And I have strongly urged

                 my colleagues from Nassau County, where this

                 problem seems to be epidemic in proportions,

                 to come forward with a statewide bill that

                 will solve this particular problem.

                            I know that the assessors are

                 opposed to it, but that's no reason not to do

                 it.  We should give assessors throughout this

                 state the ability to handle all of these

                 problems related to property tax exemptions,

                 and we ought to do it with a statewide bill.





                                                          8215



                            Until we have one, I'm going to

                 continue to vote against these bills for

                 Nassau County, I'll vote against them from the

                 City of New York, I will vote against them

                 across this state, because what we need is a

                 statewide solution.  Until we get it, you can

                 continue to record me in the negative, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.  Nays,

                 1.  Senator Dollinger recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

                 would you please call up Calendar Number 965.





                                                          8216



                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read Calendar 965.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 965, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 3356A, an

                 act to amend the Bay Park Library Services

                 Act.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Skelos, an explanation has been requested by

                 Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    This legislation

                 will allow election officials in the Bay Park

                 library district to receive reasonable

                 compensation for their services as polling

                 place personnel.

                            In addition, the bill clarifies

                 that special library districts shall rely

                 exclusively on the voter registration lists of

                 the Nassau County Board of Elections.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 if Senator Skelos would yield for a question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator





                                                          8217



                 Skelos, do you yield?

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, this

                 district that's been set up, is this by the

                 will of the registered voters in that area

                 or -

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes, it is.  We

                 passed that legislation in 1998.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 if Senator Skelos would continue to yield.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Can we

                 have a little order in the chamber, please.

                            Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    At that time

                 at which you referred, Senator Skelos, we set

                 this $50 compensation fee.  That was in 1998.

                 I just wondered how we arrived at the $50

                 figure and why would we not just keep it that

                 way as soon as three years later.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    If I could





                                                          8218



                 respond, the legislation was submitted to us

                 in that form.  And now what we're doing is at

                 the -- quite honestly, at the request of the

                 Assembly, Assemblyman Weisenberg, who is

                 sponsoring this legislation, they would like

                 to amend it so it's "reasonable compensation,"

                 which is the language that's used in numerous

                 other jurisdictions throughout the state.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Well, Mr.

                 President, I have as high a regard for

                 Assemblyman Weisenberg and the Assembly in

                 general as Senator Skelos does, and so he's

                 answered my question and convinced me, he and

                 the Assembly, to vote for this bill.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Thank you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.





                                                          8219



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 780, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 4954, an

                 act to authorize the participation of the

                 County of Erie.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Volker, an explanation has been requested by

                 Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President,

                 this is an implementation of an agreement

                 between the State of New York, the County of

                 Erie, the City of Buffalo, the Senate and the

                 Assembly, which has previously been announced

                 for a project known as the Adelphia Cable

                 building and construction plan, which I

                 believe is approximately about $150 million to

                 $175 million.

                            There was some question about the

                 necessity of this bill, but the county and the

                 city felt that this bill was necessary to

                 implement the agreement.  This bill does not





                                                          8220



                 actually authorize the funding.  The funding

                 obviously will be in the budget.  The funding

                 is in various types of taxing statutes and so

                 forth.

                            For instance, there is a -- I

                 believe it's a 12½ million -- 12.4 million

                 Jobs Now grant.  The County of Erie is

                 providing an annual $1 million operating

                 subsidy for the HSBC Arena and $7 million

                 toward the construction of a new parking

                 facility.  The State of New York is committing

                 about $50 million in economic development at

                 this downtown Buffalo site, which is on the

                 waterfront.

                            Adelphia Cable presently has about

                 500 people employed in the city of Buffalo.

                 And with this building and the affiliated

                 parking ramps and so forth, they will have

                 another 1,000 people.

                            Very honestly, the hope is that

                 this operation -- Adelphia Cable is a huge

                 operation.  It has well over 20,000 people

                 nationwide.  And the assumption is that

                 sometime in the future Adelphia may well

                 relocate other parts of its operations to





                                                          8221



                 Buffalo, and this could in the long run mean

                 5,000 or more jobs to the city of Buffalo and

                 the county of Erie.

                            So this was a very important

                 project.  It was negotiated over a period of

                 years.  It was publicly announced by the

                 leaders of the Legislature and the Governor

                 here some time ago.  And this bill is a bill

                 which would implement the memorandum of

                 understanding and the various pieces of that

                 project.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Brown.

                            Oh, I'm sorry, hold just a second,

                 Senator Brown.  Pardon me.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    If I could just

                 interrupt, there will be an immediate meeting

                 of the Rules Committee in the Majority

                 Conference Room.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:

                 Immediate meeting of the Rules Committee in

                 the Senate Majority Conference Room.

                            Senator Stachowski.

                            SENATOR STACHOWSKI:    On the bill





                                                          8222



                 very quickly, because I'm going to go to

                 Rules.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Stachowski, on the bill.

                            SENATOR STACHOWSKI:    I just rise

                 to support Senator Volker on this bill.  It's

                 a very important project to the city of

                 Buffalo.  It's very important to Western

                 New York.  I have the good fortune to have it

                 located in my district.

                            And I think that it's taken a long

                 time to get to this point, that we can pass

                 this and move it along and hopefully the

                 shovels will be in the ground and the building

                 go up and the various jobs will come to

                 fruition in downtown Buffalo.

                            It's a major piece for the city, a

                 major piece for the county, and a major piece

                 for the State of New York.  So I support this

                 project.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Brown, pardon the interruption.  It was the

                 chair's fault.  You have the floor.

                            SENATOR BROWN:    That's okay, Mr.

                 President.  Also on the bill, I too stand to





                                                          8223



                 support Senator Volker on this bill and

                 Senator Stachowski.

                            This is an important piece of

                 legislation for the city of Buffalo, as we

                 have all heard in this chamber.  It will move

                 the Adelphia project forward and expand the

                 operations of Adelphia Cable in the city of

                 Buffalo.

                            And as Senator Volker indicated, it

                 will retain 500 jobs in our city and create

                 another 1,000 jobs.  And for a community like

                 Buffalo and Erie County, where we have

                 unfortunately been bypassed by the economic

                 boom times that the rest of the state has

                 enjoyed, this is just a major project that

                 will move waterfront development in the city

                 forward.  And also, it will stabilize the

                 Buffalo Sabres hockey franchise.

                            Also important to note, Senator

                 Volker mentioned the agreement between the

                 state, the county, and the city, including the

                 work of the Buffalo City Council in this

                 legislation.  And through the involvement of

                 the city council and the council president,

                 the minority participation goals on this





                                                          8224



                 project were significantly increased.  Those

                 goals will now be 20 percent.

                            And that is also evidence that this

                 project will benefit the entire city of

                 Buffalo, the entire county of Erie and will be

                 a major benefit to the State of New York as

                 well.

                            So I'm happy to join Senators

                 Volker and Stachowski in voting for this piece

                 of legislation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            There is a home rule message at the

                 desk.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            The Secretary will read Calendar





                                                          8225



                 793.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 793, by Member of the Assembly Gottfried,

                 Assembly Print Number 7494A, an act to amend

                 Chapter 725 of the Laws of 1989.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Can we lay

                 this aside temporarily.  Senator Dollinger had

                 a question, and he's not present at the

                 moment.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside temporarily.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 803, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print

                 2567, an act in relation to authorizing the

                 County of Onondaga.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco, an explanation has been requested

                 by Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.  I

                 have a home rule message from both the town

                 and from the County of Onondaga.

                            The County of Onondaga acquired

                 certain parcels of land near the Erie Canal

                 back about 1983.  And at that time, they were





                                                          8226



                 supposed to, if they were going to use the

                 property, if at all, for recreational and -

                 recreational purposes.

                            The county has not done that and

                 indicates they have no intention in the near

                 future to do that because of the lack of

                 sufficient financial resources to do it.  The

                 Town of Van Buren is willing to take on that

                 responsibility and develop this area as a

                 recreational use.

                            And as a result, both the town and

                 the county sent home rule messages to us

                 indicating that they would like the state law,

                 which is necessary to make the transfer occur.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 if Senator DeFrancisco would yield for a

                 question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator,

                 do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.  Yes,

                 I would.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.





                                                          8227



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, it's

                 been 18 years and 41 acres of land that I

                 guess were originally designated to go to the

                 county from the Department of Transportation.

                 And I guess the only concern I have is the

                 reason for the original transference, and

                 perhaps whether or not there are any

                 environmental hazards on the land that existed

                 before or could have developed in the last 18

                 years.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well, the

                 reason for the original transfer to the County

                 of Onondaga was that the State DOT had no use

                 for the property, did not want to maintain it

                 in any way.  The town at least was -- the

                 county was at least willing to maintain it.

                            It's my understanding that there

                 could not be any possible environmental

                 problems that existed that occurred between

                 1983 and the present, since nothing has been

                 done in the land other than to clear some land

                 when it becomes a hazard.

                            So I can't say with certainty, but

                 that's the understanding that I have.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you,





                                                          8228



                 Senator.

                            Mr. President, if the Senator would

                 yield for another question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco, do you yield?

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    I might have

                 put the cart before the horse, Senator,

                 because what I think I really should have

                 asked, Mr. President, was if there was any

                 particular reason why the county didn't

                 develop the land.

                            That doesn't inhibit my vote at

                 all, because if it's been there for 18 years,

                 certainly if the Town of Van Buren would like

                 to take a shot at developing the land, if it's

                 certainly fine with the county and the town,

                 it's fine with me.

                            But I guess I'm just -- I guess

                 that's why I wondered why the township didn't

                 turn the land into some parkland or for some

                 recreational use.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well, the





                                                          8229



                 county had the property, so the town has been

                 unable to do that up to this point in time.

                 If this legislation passes, the town can

                 undertake improvements to make this a

                 recreational area.

                            The county has given us the reason

                 that they haven't done anything is they don't

                 think that this is a priority and they don't

                 have the resources to make this a priority.

                            And so the town, since the property

                 is very valuable to the town, is willing to

                 undertake that responsibility.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            There is a home rule message at the

                 desk.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the





                                                          8230



                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            Senator DeFrancisco.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Mr.

                 President, may we go back to Calendar Number

                 793, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read Calendar 793.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 793, by Member of the Assembly Gottfried,

                 Assembly Print Number 7494A, an act to amend

                 Chapter 725 of the Laws of 1989.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Seward, an explanation has been requested by

                 Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Yes, Mr.

                 President.

                            This bill before us simply extends

                 a supplemental financial assistance for

                 hospice care of persons with special needs in

                 the Medicaid program.  It's due to expire on





                                                          8231



                 July 1 of this year, and this would extend it

                 for another two-year period, to July 1, 2003.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, if the sponsor will yield for a

                 question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Seward, do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Yes, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Senator

                 Seward, I'd ask you the same question I asked

                 Senator Hannon earlier.

                            As part of the extender, in the

                 prior bill that we had passed was there a

                 report to be produced by the Commissioners of

                 Health and Social Services to detail the

                 circumstances under which the supplemental

                 financial assistance program for hospice care

                 should continue?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Yes, there is.

                 There will be a report made by the





                                                          8232



                 Commissioner of Health and Social Services to

                 the chairs of the Senate and Assembly Standing

                 Committees on Health and Social Services,

                 which basically will evaluate the provisions

                 of the supplemental financial assistance

                 program.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, if Senator Seward will continue

                 to yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator,

                 do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Yes, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Did the

                 Commissioner of Health and the Commissioner of

                 Social Services produce the report that was

                 due on or before January 1, 2001?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Mr. President,

                 that report has yet to be forthcoming.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.  Just briefly on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger, on the bill.





                                                          8233



                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    As a famous

                 president once said, here we go again.

                            This is another instance where we

                 have asked our commissioners to prepare a

                 report, in this case a report to the Senate

                 and the Assembly on the cost-effectiveness,

                 the financial status of hospices, the impact

                 on patient care, including the impact on

                 institutionalization, recommendations for

                 modifications and such other matters as may be

                 appropriate in our hospice care program in

                 this state.

                            By law, we said to the

                 Commissioners of Social Services and Health:

                 Give us a report.  Tell us what we need to

                 know to determine whether this program is a

                 success and a worthwhile investment for New

                 Yorkers.

                            No report.  I would suggest, Mr.

                 President, that this is part of what I

                 consider to be a very disturbing trend.  For

                 some reason, the commissioners don't believe

                 they have any obligation to follow the law.

                 When we say "Give us a report," their reaction

                 is:  We don't really need to do that.  The





                                                          8234



                 Legislature will enact the program again.  The

                 Legislature will continue the program whether

                 we produce the report or not.

                            I would suggest, Mr. President,

                 what we need to do is to tell the

                 commissioners and this administration that

                 this Legislature is not simply going to stand

                 as a rubber stamp for the continuation of

                 these programs but, instead, we're going to

                 require reports and an analysis of these

                 programs before we extend them.

                            I'm willing to do it in this

                 instance upon the recommendation of the

                 commissioner -- or the chair of the Insurance

                 Committee, but this is a disturbing lack of

                 compliance with this administration and the

                 will of this Legislature.  It's an alarming

                 trend.

                            As I think I said at the hast

                 Health Committee meeting, there are 32

                 examples we've found of programs that are up

                 to expire, set to expire that we've been asked

                 to extend by the administration on the second

                 floor for which we have never received a

                 report on the effectiveness of the program.





                                                          8235



                            I think the administration is

                 dropping the ball, and I think we should send

                 a message to the Commissioner of Health and

                 the Commissioner of Social Services that we

                 mean what we say.  When we ask for a report

                 detailing the effectiveness of these programs,

                 we ought to get it before we act.

                            I think we're shirking our

                 responsibilities if we continue to do this.

                 And I think it's an alarming lack of

                 information from the administration about how

                 these programs are working.

                            I'm going to vote for it in this

                 case, upon the recommendation of the chairman

                 of the Insurance Committee.  But the trend is

                 disturbing and apparently only getting worse,

                 Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.





                                                          8236



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 806, by Senator Seward, Senate Print 3517, an

                 act to amend the State Finance Law, in

                 relation to matching funds.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Seward, an explanation has been requested of

                 Calendar 806 by Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Mr. President,

                 this legislation would lower from 50 percent

                 to 25 percent the match that is required for

                 loans made through the Emergency Services

                 Revolving Loan Fund.  And it would also

                 eliminate a provision which prohibits other

                 state funds to be used for the same purpose.

                            The Emergency Services Revolving

                 Loan Fund is administered by the Department of

                 State.  It's been very, very helpful to a

                 number of our fire departments, emergency

                 squads, and the like who provide emergency

                 services to the citizens of our state.  And





                                                          8237



                 this loan fund provides them with low-cost

                 financing options to purchase the fire

                 apparatus, equipment, and all of the things

                 that are necessary for them to carry out their

                 important work.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 this is certainly very important equipment for

                 which the loan fund is being increased.  If

                 Senator Seward would yield for a question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Seward, do you yield?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Certainly, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, is

                 there currently a surplus in the Emergency

                 Services Revolving Loan Fund that would

                 accommodate this kind of request?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Mr. President,

                 there currently is not a surplus in the

                 revolving loan fund.  But there's no question

                 that once we complete action on a state





                                                          8238



                 budget, that I'm very hopeful that we as a

                 Legislature will add some additional monies to

                 this revolving loan fund.

                            In fact, our Senate budget

                 resolution suggests that this house is on

                 record as supporting an additional $4 million

                 be added to this fund.  $13 million has been

                 appropriated to date, and more than

                 $19 million has actually gone out in the form

                 of loans.

                            Because of the revolving nature of

                 the fund we're able to, as the loans are paid

                 off, able to reissue those funds in the form

                 of additional loans.  And that is all in

                 addition to what new funds we appropriate each

                 year.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 if Senator Seward would yield for another

                 question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Seward, do you yield?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, from





                                                          8239



                 a policy standpoint I'm just concerned that

                 projects that are as worthy as the one that

                 brings us to this discussion might be lost

                 because if we were to increase the state match

                 under the revolving loan fund, there might be

                 a point in which we exhaust the resources and

                 so other, certainly worthy causes would be

                 mitigated by the fact that we don't have the

                 funds to really support them in the future.

                            So that was why I asked you if

                 there was a surplus there.  My concern is that

                 in an attempt to accommodate the issue that

                 brings us here today, some of the emergency

                 medical equipment and that type of thing, that

                 there might be other requests in the future

                 that would be reduced because we've spent up

                 all the money by increasing the state match to

                 75 percent.

                            So I just wanted to get from you an

                 understanding of how that will not be the

                 case.

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Well, Mr.

                 President, the basis of the legislation before

                 us is to assist the smaller, financially

                 hard-pressed fire departments, emergency





                                                          8240



                 squads, and those types of not-for-profit

                 entities that provide these emergency

                 services.

                            It's interesting to note, this

                 revolving loan fund has issued 197 loans.  And

                 of that 197 loans, a full 108 of those have

                 been loaned to companies or municipalities

                 with an operation budget of less than

                 $100,000.

                            And so when we're talking about

                 loaning to such small departments and

                 municipalities that are attempting to purchase

                 a piece of fire apparatus that may be -- a

                 quarter of a million dollars is nothing when

                 it comes to this type of equipment in this day

                 and age.

                            And what this legislation will do

                 will be to give the revolving loan fund board

                 the flexibility to work with these

                 municipalities by, number one, increasing to

                 75 percent of the total cost of the project,

                 to let them have the ability to actually make

                 the purchase of the apparatus or equipment,

                 and, in addition to that, allow them to seek

                 other state funds to make up the difference.





                                                          8241



                            So we're really trying to assist

                 those smaller departments.  And I think it's

                 incumbent upon this Legislature to do exactly

                 that through the passage of this bill and,

                 when we do a budget, to make sure that there

                 are sufficient funds there to assist these

                 hard-pressed departments through additional

                 appropriations.

                            I certainly support that, and I'm

                 sure that it has bipartisan support in this

                 house.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    The proposal

                 has support from me.

                            Certainly some of the smaller

                 companies and those areas are exactly where

                 the flexibility of the board will come into

                 play.  Particularly, as Senator Seward points

                 out, when you have fire apparatus or something

                 that can run a large amount of money and by

                 which they now have greater latitude to expand

                 the coverage of the state match to 75 percent





                                                          8242



                 from 50.

                            But I hope that Senator Seward's

                 feelings on this will be remembered in the

                 budget process.  Because without the

                 resources, then I think the point that I was

                 making earlier would actually come to the

                 fore.  And that is specifically that we

                 wouldn't want the flexibility to lead to a

                 situation where, when you back-load proposals,

                 we will have those types of requests come in

                 in the future and don't have the resources to

                 meet them.

                            Assuming that's not the case, I'll

                 vote for the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Onorato.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Mr. President,

                 will the sponsor yield to a question?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Seward, do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Yes, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Senator Seward,





                                                          8243



                 Senator Paterson raised one of the questions

                 that I was concerned with, that by increasing

                 the amendment from 50 to 75 percent, that it

                 may prohibit other companies from opting into

                 the program because they may have exhausted

                 all of the funds.

                            But under the current proposal that

                 you are proposing, prior to this here, if they

                 were receiving some form of state aid, that

                 they could not apply for any other state

                 monies.

                            Has this now been changed, that in

                 spite of the fact that they may be receiving

                 additional funds from a particular state aid,

                 that they will no longer be prohibited from

                 receiving further aid from another state

                 entity?

                            SENATOR SEWARD:    Mr. President,

                 under the provisions of the bill before us, we

                 would be making that change.

                            Currently, if a department is

                 receiving other state funds in any form, then

                 they would be prohibited from receiving a loan

                 from the revolving loan fund.  This bill would

                 take away that prohibition and allow them to





                                                          8244



                 not only borrow money through the revolving

                 loan fund, but also to apply for and to

                 receive other state funds to assist in the

                 purchase of the item which they seek to

                 purchase.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Thank you,

                 Senator.  I think that it's a very good bill,

                 and I think that we should make these other

                 companies aware of this particular change,

                 that they will have other sources that they

                 can apply to.

                            I will be supporting the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 813, by Senator Balboni, Senate Print 4208A,





                                                          8245



                 an act to amend the Environmental Conservation

                 Law, in relation to matching grants.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:

                 Explanation, please.

                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:

                 Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, an explanation has been requested of

                 Calendar 813.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            This bill is essentially a bill

                 that attempts to continue a source of funding

                 for a program that has been very successful in

                 containing nonpoint source pollution.

                            Essentially, what the bill would do

                 is -- well, first off, nonpoint source

                 pollution associated with storm water

                 discharges has been identified as a major

                 cause of water quality impairment -- i.e.,

                 pollution -- in New York State and throughout

                 the nation.

                            Monies from the EPF have been

                 assisting municipalities in attempting to get

                 more of these storm drains built.  A recent





                                                          8246



                 change has required that municipalities permit

                 these operations.  That is, before they begin

                 them, they must apply for a permit.

                            The problem is that when you change

                 the requirement that these storm drains must

                 be permitted, you now make them ineligible for

                 the funding that they had previously received;

                 therefore, denying municipalities of another

                 stream of revenue to help offset the costs

                 associated with these types of facilities.

                            This bill would allow the

                 municipalities, notwithstanding the permitting

                 requirements, to continue to receive this

                 funding.

                            And that is all she wrote.

                            (Laughter.)

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Or he wrote.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Oppenheimer.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    If the good

                 Senator would yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.





                                                          8247



                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    I'm

                 listening intently to what you said, and I

                 think I probably know the answer to this

                 because of what you said, though I'm not

                 absolutely certain.  So let me phrase it.

                            The Environmental Protection Fund

                 was not designed to fund mandatory

                 environmental compliance projects.  They have

                 been funded always by the EFC.  Now, why -

                 why can't -- you said because now we are going

                 to be requiring permits, that it no longer can

                 be funded under the EFC, it has to be under

                 the EPF.  Why?  Just because we require that

                 there be a permit before they improve the

                 storm water system?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President,

                 through you.  In way of response, Senator

                 Oppenheimer, actually, I -- if I indicated

                 that there was another source of funding

                 without this particular piece of legislation

                 for these permitted facilities, I misspoke.

                 There is no funding if we don't pass this

                 bill, from any system.





                                                          8248



                            That is because these types of

                 facilities were previously funded under the

                 Environmental -

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Facilities.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    -

                 Facilities -

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:

                 Corporation.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    What's the name

                 of it?

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    EFC.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    No, it's EPF.

                 They were originally funded under EPF.

                            If we don't pass this bill, they

                 will not be eligible for funding under the

                 EPF, because of the requirement that these

                 types of facilities are now permitted.  In

                 other words, you have to get a permit before

                 you build them.

                            Now, I asked the very same

                 question:  Why does that technical change

                 result in the lack of funding?  And I was told

                 that that is because traditionally, and

                 perhaps it's a historical hangover, these -

                 once you say to somebody or to an organization





                                                          8249



                 or to a group "You must receive a permit,"

                 then traditionally that has indicated that

                 there's an industrial component or a

                 profit-making component of the individuals

                 seeking to get into the program.  Once you

                 have a profit-making component, then you don't

                 need funding.

                            So here we have an aberration.

                 There's no industrial community seeking storm

                 drains.  They're municipal.  Municipalities

                 don't make profits.  So it is outside our

                 experience.

                            However, there is a precedent.

                 Under a bill that Senator Kuhl passed through

                 the Water Resources Committee -- as you know,

                 which I chair -- last year, CAFOs -- which

                 again I have to check what it stands for -

                 Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations were

                 given the exemption to be permitted

                 facilities, permitted operations, and yet

                 still receive the funding.

                            And so what we're doing here is

                 we're taking the CAFO model and we're applying

                 it to the municipal storm drain program under

                 this funding stream.  A tad technical.





                                                          8250



                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    No.  I mean

                 yes.

                            But if I may ask another question,

                 through you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, do you yield for another question?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    This is to

                 fund nonpoint source pollution.  It is almost

                 never industrial.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    That's correct.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    You said

                 because it was now industrial -- because

                 normally it's industry -

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    No, no, no, I

                 meant -- I'm sorry.  Mr. President, through

                 you, may I just correct a statement that I

                 made before.  If I were in court, I'd say

                 "Strike that, please keep the following."

                            Historically, when operations,

                 activities under the environmental -- in the

                 environmental area have required permits, the





                                                          8251



                 fact that they require permits makes them

                 ineligible for funding.  Because

                 traditionally, activities that are regulated,

                 to the extent that they are required to be

                 permitted, have an industrial component to

                 them, or industrial motivation, incentive.

                 Therefore, they make profits.  Therefore, why

                 would you give them an incentive to do it?

                            Now we have a situation that does

                 not fall into that classification.  We now

                 have a situation where it is primarily a

                 municipal operation.  But now we're requiring

                 that they be permitted in addition.  So

                 therefore, the permitting process that would

                 normally apply to an industrial application

                 now applies to a municipal one.  Hence the

                 need for the change in the legislation.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    This has

                 inspired an additional question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, do you yield for another question?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Actually, a





                                                          8252



                 few questions.

                            SPEDES permits, which were always

                 required for industrial waste disposal in the

                 water, is totally separate from nonpoint

                 source, which is this.  Now, this legislation,

                 are you telling me that in the past we did not

                 have any funding available for nonpoint source

                 pollution?

                            This may be a bit boring for most

                 people.  I'll tell you why it's good for me.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President,

                 through you.  A SPEDES permit applies to point

                 source pollution.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Point

                 source, right.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    These are

                 nonpoint source pollution operations.  And

                 therefore, that's why this is a separate and

                 distinct situation from the SPEDES.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Oh, I

                 understand that.

                            What the question was -- I'll just

                 reiterate.  Did we have funding for nonpoint

                 source pollution in the past coming from the

                 state to municipalities?





                                                          8253



                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    And that

                 money did not come down through this stream,

                 which is the EPF, it always came down under

                 EFC.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    No, it came

                 from EPF.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    It did come

                 from EPF.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    It came from

                 EPF.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Okay.

                 Well, then, I have a question, if the Senator

                 will yield again.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, do you yield?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    How large

                 is the nonagricultural point source EPF

                 account currently funded at?  And do you

                 expect the account to be very much increased

                 now that we have these additional requirements





                                                          8254



                 made on the fund?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President,

                 allow me to be specific.  Senator, the

                 legislation does not create any new

                 opportunities for funding.  It rather

                 continues the availability of funding for

                 projects that would otherwise have been funded

                 had there not been this permitting

                 requirement.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Okay.  Now,

                 I see that there are -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Oppenheimer, do you wish the sponsor to

                 continue to yield?

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Do you

                 yield, Senator Balboni?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Which

                 entities are currently not able to access EPF

                 funding for this nonpoint source and they're

                 going to now be made eligible?  You say that





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                 there are 225 entities that will now be coming

                 in in the course of the next year for this

                 funding.  Which of these new entities?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President,

                 information that might be helpful in your

                 deliberations on this piece of legislation,

                 Senator, is the fact that in the budget

                 resolution adopted by this house there's an

                 additional $4 million appropriated for these

                 types of projects to help meet the funding

                 requirements of these projects, particularly

                 if this bill passes.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Thank you,

                 Senator.  One more question, if you will

                 yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni, do you yield?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yes, I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    I have some

                 trouble understanding why a school district -

                 or I can understand, I guess, almost

                 everything but a school district.  Why would a





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                 school district be able to come in for the

                 nonpoint source when it is the municipality or

                 the sewer district or other entities?  Where

                 would a school district fit into this?

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    I'm sorry, Mr.

                 President, through you.  Would you care to

                 point to the reference that says "school

                 district"?

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Okay, so

                 there wasn't a specific reference.  All right.

                 Someone had told me that.  Okay.  Excellent.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President,

                 through you, it is my information that this

                 applies to storm drains built by

                 municipalities.  To the extent that a school

                 district would build a storm drain, they might

                 be eligible.  I do not know.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    It does

                 say -- I thought I saw "school districts."

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Yeah.  Where?

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Well,

                 supervisory district also.  But it does say

                 "school district."

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Oh, okay.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    And from my





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                 knowledge, it is a municipality or a sewer

                 district that controls the development of

                 storm water drains.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    In other words,

                 you're referring to line 6 of the first page

                 of the bill, as to the reference.

                            That definition of "municipality"

                 tracks the definition of "municipality" used

                 throughout law.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    Uh-huh.

                 Okay.  Thank you, Senator.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    You're very

                 welcome.

                            SENATOR OPPENHEIMER:    On the

                 bill.

                            The reason I was pursuing this so

                 closely is because I think my village is

                 probably nonpoint source pollution capital of

                 New York State.  And -- yes, it's very sad.

                 And we have done many things to try and bring

                 this under control.

                            Because our harbor now, where we

                 have a beach and lovely facilities for our

                 community, has been closed to swimming.  This

                 will be its second or third year that it will





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                 be closed to swimming.  And it is not so much

                 point source but nonpoint source.  And it is

                 an issue of grave concern.

                            We have smoke-tested houses so that

                 we see where those houses that originally were

                 supposed to, of course, be tied in with their

                 gutters and leaders into their storm water

                 system have indeed tied their gutters and

                 leaders with the rainwater flowing through

                 into their sanitary systems, because it is

                 closer to the house and so therefore the cost

                 is not so severe.

                            We're looking for all the help we

                 can get.  It's not just my particular village,

                 but also the whole drainage area that comes

                 down to our sewer treatment plant.

                            So this is an important source of

                 funding, and we will be pursuing it.  And

                 thank you for explaining to me the changes

                 that were necessary to continue the funding.

                            I'll be voting yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Debate is closed.

                            Read the last section.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 7.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 822, by Senator Maziarz, Senate Print 4057, an

                 act to amend the Not-for-Profit Corporation

                 Law, in relation to allowing.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Maziarz, an explanation has been requested of

                 Calendar 822 by Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR MAZIARZ:    Thank you very

                 much, Mr. President.

                            This bill would amend the

                 Not-for-Profit Corporation Law to allow the

                 South Lockport Volunteer Fire Company to

                 appoint more than 45 percent of its members

                 from outside the town of Lockport.

                            The town of Lockport is immediately

                 adjacent to the city of Lockport.  And





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                 although the South Lockport Volunteer Fire

                 Company has no town residents on its waiting

                 list who are requesting membership, they have

                 several residents from the city of Lockport

                 who are requesting to join the volunteer fire

                 service but are prohibited from doing so by

                 the Not-for-Profit Corporation Law.

                            This particular piece of

                 legislation would exempt the South Lockport

                 Volunteer Fire Company from that particular

                 restriction.

                            And I might add that since 1998,

                 several volunteer fire companies within the

                 State of New York -- I'll just mention a

                 couple, Mr. President.  Mechanicstown and

                 Goodwill Fire Departments in Orange County,

                 the Jericho Fire District in Nassau, the

                 Orangeburg Fire District in Rockland County,

                 and North Castle South District Number One in

                 Westchester County have all been granted

                 similar exemptions by legislation.

                            Thank you, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,





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                 I hope that Senator Maziarz's birthday that he

                 celebrated Friday was satisfactory, because

                 the explanation was certainly satisfactory.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            Senator McGee.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Mr. President,

                 would you please lay aside for the day

                 Calendar Numbers 505 and 966.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:

                 Calendars 505 and 966 will be laid aside for

                 the day.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    If we could

                 return now to reports of standing committees,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Order of





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                 reports of standing committees.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    I believe there's

                 a committee report from the Rules Committee.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Bruno,

                 from the Committee on Rules, reports the

                 following bills:

                            Senate Print 84, by Senator

                 Hoffmann, an act to amend the Penal Law.

                            1133, by Senator Alesi, an act to

                 amend the Penal Law.

                            1342, by Senator Saland, an act to

                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law.

                            2121, by Senator Kuhl, an act to

                 amend the Education Law.

                            2205A, by Senator Santiago, an act

                 authorizing the City of New York.

                            2519, by Senator Kuhl, an act to

                 amend the Environmental Conservation Law.

                            3374, by Senator Alesi, an act to

                 amend the Retirement and Social Security Law.

                            4216, by Senator Seward, an act to

                 amend the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law.

                            4512, by Senator Johnson, an act to





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                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law.

                            4722, by Senator Velella, an act to

                 amend the Penal Law.

                            4723, by Senator Velella, an act to

                 amend the Penal Law.

                            5308, by Senator A. Smith, an act

                 authorizing the City of New York.

                            And 5313, by Senator Volker, an act

                 to amend the Penal Law and the Correction Law.

                            All bills ordered direct to third

                 reading.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Move to accept

                 the report of the Rules Committee.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    All

                 those in favor of accepting the report of the

                 Rules Committee signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 report of the Rules Committee is accepted.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Mr. President, is

                 there any more housekeeping at the desk?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The





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                 bills on the Rules Committee report will be

                 sent directly to third reading.

                            We have some motions, I believe,

                 Senator.

                            Senator Fuschillo.

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.

                            On behalf of Senator Meier, on page

                 number 61, I offer the following amendments to

                 Calendar Number 915, Senate Print Number 4094,

                 and ask that said bill retain its place on

                 Third Reading Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Thank

                 you, Senator.  The amendment is received and

                 adopted, and the bill will retain its place on

                 the Third Reading Calendar.

                            Senator Marcellino.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.

                            On page number 23, I offer the

                 following amendments to Calendar Number 466,

                 Senate Print Number 4022, and ask that said

                 bill retain its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The





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                 amendments are received and adopted, and the

                 bill will retain its place on the Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Thank you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Morahan.

                            SENATOR MORAHAN:    Mr. President,

                 on page 22, I offer the following amendments

                 to Calendar 451, Senate Bill 4023, and I ask

                 that the bill retain its place on Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and adopted, and the

                 bill will retain its place on the Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            Senator McGee.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Is there any

                 further housekeeping at the desk?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    That is

                 all that we have at the desk, Senator.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    There being no

                 further business, I move we adjourn until

                 Wednesday, May 30th, at 11:00 a.m.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    On

                 motion, the Senate stands adjourned until





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                 Wednesday, May 30th, at 11:00 a.m.

                            (Whereupon, at 4:30 p.m., the

                 Senate adjourned.)