Regular Session - June 4, 2001

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                           NEW YORK STATE SENATE





                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD









                             ALBANY, NEW YORK

                               June 4, 2001

                                 3:08 p.m.





                              REGULAR SESSION







                 SENATOR RAYMOND A. MEIER, Acting President

                 STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary

















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                           P R O C E E D I N G S

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Senate will come to order.

                            I ask everyone present to please

                 rise and to join me in reciting the Pledge of

                 Allegiance to the Flag.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    In the

                 absence of clergy, may I ask that we all bow

                 our heads in a moment of silence.

                            (Whereupon, the assemblage

                 respected a moment of silence.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Reading

                 of the Journal.

                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

                 Sunday, June 3, the Senate met pursuant to

                 adjournment.  The Journal of Saturday, June 2,

                 was read and approved.  On motion, Senate

                 adjourned.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Without

                 objection, the Journal stands approved as

                 read.

                            Presentation of petitions.

                            Messages from the Assembly.





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                            Messages from the Governor.

                            Reports of standing committees.

                            Reports of select committees.

                            Communications and reports from

                 state officers.

                            Motions and resolutions.

                            Senator McGee.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Mr. President, I

                 wish to call up Calendar Number 782, Assembly

                 Print Number 7699.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 782, by Senator Lack, Senate Print 3751, an

                 act to amend the Estates, Powers and Trusts

                 Law.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    I now move to

                 reconsider the vote by which this bill was

                 submitted for my bill, Senate Print Number

                 3751, on May 9th.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll on reconsideration.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 37.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    On behalf of





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                 Senator Lack, I now move that the Assembly

                 bill, Number 7699, be committed to the

                 Committee on Rules and that Senator Lack's

                 Senate bill be restored to the order of the

                 782 calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    On the

                 motion, all those in favor signify by saying

                 aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 motion is agreed to.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Rath.

                            SENATOR RATH:    Mr. President, I

                 wish to call up Calendar Number 421, Assembly

                 Print Number 1768.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 421, by Senator Rath, Senate Print 2628.





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                            SENATOR RATH:    I now move to

                 reconsider the vote by which this Assembly

                 bill was substituted for my bill, Senate Print

                 Number 2628, on April 25th.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will call the roll on

                 reconsideration.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 37.

                            SENATOR RATH:    I now move that

                 Assembly Bill Number 1768 be committed to the

                 Committee on Rules and my Senate bill be

                 restored to the order of Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    On the

                 motion, all those in favor signify by saying

                 aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,

                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 motion is agreed to.

                            SENATOR RATH:    Mr. President, I

                 now offer the following amendments.





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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and adopted.

                            Senator Fuschillo.

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Mr.

                 President, amendments are offered to the

                 following Third Reading Calendar bills:

                            Sponsored by Senator LaValle, page

                 number 20, Calendar Number 416, Senate Print

                 Number 1885.

                            Senator LaValle, page number 21,

                 Calendar Number 446, Senate Print Number 3368.

                            By Senator LaValle, page number 40,

                 Calendar Number 710, Senate Print Number 2340.

                            By Senator LaValle, page number 41,

                 Calendar Number 721, Senate Print Number 4648.

                            By Senator Goodman, page number 43,

                 Calendar Number 753, Senate Print Number 3815.

                            By Senator Hannon, page number 47,

                 Calendar Number 798, Senate Print Number 4317.

                            By Senator Kuhl, page number 50,

                 Calendar Number 856, Senate Print Number

                 3103A.

                            By Senator Seward, page number 52,

                 Calendar Number 886, Senate Print Number

                 5100A.





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                            By Senator Kuhl, page number 57,

                 Calendar Number 961, Senate Print Number 1963.

                            And by Senator Saland, page number

                 57, Calendar Number 963, Senate Print Number

                 3204.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Are you

                 done?

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Do you accept

                 them?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Fuschillo, the amendments are received and

                 adopted, and the bills will retain their place

                 on the Third Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Thank you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            I would like to make a motion to

                 call up actually Senator Stafford's bill,

                 Print Number 2368, recalled from the Assembly,

                 which is now at the desk.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number





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                 353, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 2368,

                 an act to amend Chapter 138 of the Laws of

                 1984.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President,

                 I now move to reconsider the vote by which the

                 bill was passed.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll on reconsideration.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 38.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President,

                 I now offer the following amendments on behalf

                 of Senator Stafford.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and adopted.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Balboni.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    In addition to

                 which, I'd like to move that the following

                 bill be discharged from its respective

                 committee and be recommitted with instructions

                 to strike the enacting clause:  On behalf of





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                 Senator Maltese, Senate Bill Number 35A.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    So

                 ordered.

                            SENATOR BALBONI:    Thank you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President, I

                 believe there are some substitutions at the

                 desk.  If we could make them at this time.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read the substitutions.

                            THE SECRETARY:    On page 6,

                 Senator Seward moves to discharge, from the

                 Committee on Rules, Assembly Bill Number 4144

                 and substitute it for the identical Senate

                 Bill Number 1574, Third Reading Calendar 88.

                            On page 33, Senator Hannon moves to

                 discharge, from the Committee on Rules,

                 Assembly Bill Number 5637 and substitute it

                 for the identical Senate Bill Number 2518,

                 Third Reading Calendar 629.

                            And on page 35, Senator Padavan

                 moves to discharge, from the Committee on

                 Rules, Assembly Bill Number 8433 and

                 substitute it for the identical Senate Bill





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                 Number 4413, Third Reading Calendar 657.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:

                 Substitutions ordered.

                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Would you please

                 recognize Senator Paterson.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            On behalf of Senator Connor, I wish

                 to recall Bill Number 5090A, recalled from the

                 Assembly, which is at the desk.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 995, by Senator Connor, Senate Print 5090A, an

                 act to authorize the St. Ann's School.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    I now move to

                 reconsider the vote by which this bill was

                 passed.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the





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                 roll on reconsideration.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 38.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 on behalf of Senator Connor, I wish to offer

                 the following amendments at this time.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and adopted.

                            Senator Marcellino.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Mr.

                 President, on page number 8 I offer the

                 following amendments to Calendar Number 133,

                 Senate Print Number 1263, and ask that said

                 bill retain its place on the Third Reading

                 Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and adopted, and the

                 bill will retain its place on the Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Thank you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Volker.

                            SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President,





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                 we're out of the realm of order here, but in

                 keeping with our ecumenical nature here, since

                 today or tonight is going to be the Irish

                 legislators -- what did I say -- Italian

                 legislators -- I'm okay.

                            I was about to say that we have

                 here a guest who is one of the leaders of the

                 Irish, the country of Ireland, the Honorable

                 Barry Robinson, who is the Consul General of

                 Ireland, a wonderful gentleman who has been

                 very, very helpful to not only the American

                 Irish Legislators Association over the

                 years -- he's been here now for 4½ years and

                 is about to be rotated to Dublin and then on

                 to Belgium, I believe.  And he's been

                 extremely helpful to us.

                            He's a fine gentleman who I know a

                 lot of the members of this house know and have

                 met in the past.  He's already been, I

                 believe, to the Assembly and was introduced

                 there.

                            And I just wanted to introduce him

                 and say that we thank you for your service and

                 we hope that you'll stop back and see us at

                 some time in the future, and good luck in your





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                 new assignment.

                            (Applause.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Maltese.

                            SENATOR MALTESE:    I certainly

                 join my colleague Senator Volker in extending

                 our congratulations and our welcome.

                            I wish to extend that welcome to

                 attend the festa tonight, which will be held

                 in Troy, held by the Italian-American

                 Legislators Conference.

                            And certainly we welcome not only

                 the Italian-Americans but all those who are

                 Irish-American or would like to be either

                 Irish-American or Italian-American.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

                 if we could go to the noncontroversial

                 calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read the noncontroversial

                 calendar.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 88, substituted earlier today by Member of the





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                 Assembly Sidikman, Assembly Print Number 4144,

                 an act to amend the Insurance Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 124, by Member of the Assembly Weprin,

                 Assembly Print Number 3145, an act to

                 authorize the Dormitory Authority.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill





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                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 132, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 846, an

                 act to amend the Labor Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2 -

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 225, by Senator Trunzo, Senate Print 1237A, an

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

                 act shall take effect 180 days.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number





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                 278, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 1511, an

                 act to amend the Workers' Compensation Law, in

                 relation to treatment coverage.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 283, by Senator Morahan, Senate Print 514A, an

                 act to amend the Highway Law, in relation to

                 designating.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 286, by Senator Kuhl, Senate Print 3071A, an

                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law, in





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                 relation to authorizing.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 358, by Senator Rath, Senate Print 3676, an

                 act to amend the Real Property Tax Law, in

                 relation to the definition and use.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect September 1, 2001.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 399, by Senator Hoffmann, Senate Print 4142,

                 an act to amend the Agriculture and Markets

                 Law, in relation to the New York State Cattle

                 Health Assurance Program.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 420, by Senator Trunzo, Senate Print 2594A, an

                 act authorizing the Town of Islip.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)





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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Just to

                 explain my vote in a familiar refrain, Mr.

                 President.

                            This bill, which is again a

                 property tax abatement bill that we should

                 have nothing to do with -- this should be done

                 by the County of Suffolk and not by the New

                 York State Legislature -- this bill relates

                 to, apparently -- Senator Trunzo, again, I

                 commend you for your advocacy in bringing it

                 here.  But this bill relates to property taxes

                 that have accrued over the last three years, a

                 three-year period.

                            This is a continuing -- frankly,

                 a -- in my judgment, either a lawyer

                 malpractice relief bill, or we are in essence

                 telling communities that they can forget the

                 fact that they're a church and they're paying

                 taxes, which they should not do, and

                 nonetheless we are abating taxes that have

                 accrued over three years.

                            Someone was either asleep at the

                 switch, their attorney is guilty of





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                 malpractice, and we go back to the fundamental

                 principal again.

                            Let's pass a statewide bill that

                 allows property tax exemptions in this

                 instance in Suffolk, in overburdened Nassau

                 County, which seems to show up all the time,

                 or even in Monroe County, where the same

                 public policy should apply to give assessors

                 the ability to apply tax exemptions in these

                 cases.  It seems to me that's the easy way to

                 do it.

                            I'm going to vote no on these bills

                 until we do that, come up with a statewide

                 remedy.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger will be recorded in the negative.

                            Announce the results.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 53.  Nays,

                 1.  Senator Dollinger recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 495, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 4138,

                 an act to amend Chapter 517 of the Laws of





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                 2000.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    There is

                 a home rule message at the desk.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 512, by Senator Rath, Senate Print 4247, an

                 act to amend the Real Property Tax Law, in

                 relation to cooperative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill





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                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 562, by Senator Goodman, Senate Print 3915A,

                 an act to amend the Public Officers Law and

                 the General Construction Law, in relation to

                 the use of telephone conferencing.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 5.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 591, by Senator Balboni -

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Lay it aside for

                 the day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 594, by Senator Johnson, Senate Print 3255, an

                 act authorizing the assessor of the Town of





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                 Babylon.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay that

                 aside, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 626, by Senator Hannon, Senate Print 2451, an

                 act to amend the Public Health Law, in

                 relation to providing.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 639, by Senator Goodman, Senate Print 663, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 gambling offenses.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 651, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 3794, an

                 act to amend the -

                            SENATOR HASSELL-THOMPSON:    Lay it

                 aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    -- Banking Law,

                 the Civil Practice Law and Rules, and the

                 Criminal Procedure Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 671, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print

                 4919, an act to amend the Economic Development

                 Law, in relation to establishing.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect 120 days.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 729, by Senator Kuhl, Senate Print 2315, an

                 act to amend the Agriculture and Markets Law

                 and the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Lay it aside for

                 the day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 749, by Senator Velella, Senate Print 4272, an

                 act to amend the General Business Law, in

                 relation to making technical corrections.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Hold it.





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                            Senator Skelos.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President, I

                 may have made an error here.  Was 721 laid

                 aside for the day?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    No.

                 Senator, that bill was amended, so it's high.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Okay.  And

                 Calendar Number 671, was that passed?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Yes, it

                 did.

                            No, it was laid aside for the day.

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    If we could

                 return to 729, by Senator Kuhl.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will return to Calendar 729.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 729, by Senator Kuhl, Senate Print 2315, an

                 act to amend the Agriculture and Markets Law

                 and the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.





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                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 749, by Senator Velella -

                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Lay that aside

                 for the day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 827, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 5117, an

                 act to amend the Public Authorities Law, in

                 relation to the powers of the State of

                 New York Mortgage Agency.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 838, by Senator Trunzo, Senate Print 3558, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to the

                 unlawful sale of tobacco products to a child.





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                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 839, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 3583, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 loitering.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 840, by Member of the Assembly Lentol,

                 Assembly Print Number 1867, an act to amend

                 the Penal Law and others, in relation to

                 making technical corrections.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This





                                                          8534



                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 853, by Senator Morahan, Senate Print 1115A,

                 an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law,

                 in relation to increasing.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect in 90 days.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 872, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 3929, an

                 act to amend the Public Service Law, in

                 relation to authority.





                                                          8535



                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay the bill

                 aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 877, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 5206A, an

                 act to amend the Public Service Law, in

                 relation to protection.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect 180 days.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 973, by Senator Kuhl, Senate Print 2121, an

                 act to amend the Education Law, in relation to

                 optional retirement programs.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the





                                                          8536



                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 982, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 5313, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law and the Correction

                 Law, in relation to the new crime of gang

                 sexual assault.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

                 act shall take effect November 1.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number





                                                          8537



                 994, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 4840,

                 an act to authorize the reopening of the

                 optional twenty-year retirement plan.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    There is

                 a home rule message at the desk.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1003, by Senator Santiago, Senate Print 2740,

                 an act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

                 committing the crime of looting.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.





                                                          8538



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1004, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 2950, an

                 act to amend the County Law, in relation to

                 the electronic recording.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1006, by Senator Hassell-Thompson, Senate

                 Print 3478, an act in relation to permitting

                 the Church of Jesus Christ, Incorporated.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.  Nays,





                                                          8539



                 1.  Senator Dollinger recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            And the chair notes that is Senator

                 Hassell-Thompson's first bill.

                            (Applause.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1007, by Senator LaValle, Senate Print 3899,

                 an act to amend the Public Authorities Law, in

                 relation to tax-exempt status.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1008, by Senator Velella, Senate Print 4278,





                                                          8540



                 an act to amend the Alcoholic Beverage Control

                 Law, in relation to photo identification

                 cards.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the 90th day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1009, by Senator Velella, Senate Print 4280,

                 an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law,

                 in relation to reporting of accidents.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.  Nays,





                                                          8541



                 1.  Senator Dollinger recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1010, by Senator Hannon, Senate Print 4490, an

                 act to amend Chapter 293 of the Laws of 1999.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the

                 last section.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,

                 please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1011, by Senator Saland, Senate Print 4895, an

                 act to amend Chapter 566 of the Laws of 1967.

                            SENATOR PADAVAN:    Lay it aside

                 for the day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1012, by Senator Rath, Senate Print 5326, an

                 act to amend the General Municipal Law, in

                 relation to authorizing.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Read the





                                                          8542



                 last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            Senator Padavan, that concludes the

                 reading of the noncontroversial calendar.

                            SENATOR PADAVAN:    Mr. President,

                 let us proceed to the controversial calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 Secretary will read the controversial

                 calendar.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 132, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 846, an

                 act to amend the Labor Law, in relation to

                 licenses.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Explanation.

                            SENATOR PADAVAN:    Lay it aside

                 temporarily.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside temporarily.





                                                          8543



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 278, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 1511, an

                 act to amend the Workers' Compensation Law, in

                 relation to treatment coverage.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Explanation.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Bonacic.

                            SENATOR BONACIC:    Last year the

                 Legislature did a wonderful thing.  We passed

                 a law that provided for volunteer firemen or

                 police department or emergency medical

                 technicians that, in the course of their duty,

                 if ever they came into contact with blood from

                 doing their duty, they would have to undergo a

                 series of tests to see if the patient they

                 were involved with had the HIV virus.

                            Now, those tests could cost up to

                 $3,500.  If those tests were negative, then

                 that particular volunteer had to pay that

                 money out of their own pocket.

                            We felt that was an injustice, that

                 that should be part of the workers' comp

                 coverage.  And we passed a law so today, if





                                                          8544



                 that situation would occur, if the tests were

                 negative, the state would pick up that

                 expense.  And that was signed into law by the

                 Governor.

                            What this bill does is a technical

                 amendment to that law that says an executive

                 officer of that fire department, that police

                 department, will just certify that that was a

                 member of that organization entitled to the

                 compensation for those tests.  That's what the

                 bill does.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 594, by Senator Johnson, Senate Print 3255, an

                 act authorizing the assessor of the Town of





                                                          8545



                 Babylon.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Just to

                 explain my vote, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Let's

                 get the bill before -- read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger, to explain his vote.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.

                            I'd like to cast my vote against

                 this as a member of the New York state

                 assessment board, because more and more, since

                 we do now two or three of these bills in every

                 calendar, we're becoming, instead of the State

                 Legislature, we're starting to look more and

                 more and like the state assessment review

                 board and we're granting tax exemptions to

                 institutions that clearly qualify for them,

                 that are clearly entitled to them, but, either

                 through attorney malpractice or failure to a





                                                          8546



                 file in a timely fashion or failure to have an

                 adjustment at the time of closing, need a

                 property tax exemption.

                            I would suggest to my colleagues

                 from Nassau and Suffolk and the City of

                 New York and all the places that we are now

                 granting property tax abatements to, let's do

                 the statewide bill and get us out of this

                 business.  Then we can turn our time and

                 attention to perhaps things like budgets and

                 other things, and get those done.

                            I'm going to vote no, Mr.

                 President.  I'm going to consistently vote no.

                 I've voted no against my leader and my

                 colleagues.  I'll continue to vote no until we

                 stop acting like a special assessment review

                 board and start acting like the State

                 Legislature.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger will be recorded in the negative.

                            The Secretary will announce the

                 results.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.  Nays,

                 1.  Senator Dollinger recorded in the

                 negative.





                                                          8547



                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 651, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 3794, an

                 act to amend the Banking Law and others, in

                 relation to civil forfeiture proceedings.

                            SENATOR HASSELL-THOMPSON:

                 Explanation.

                            SENATOR PADAVAN:    Lay it aside

                 for the day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 729, by Senator Kuhl, Senate Print 2315, an

                 act to amend the Agriculture and Markets Law

                 and the Vehicle and Traffic Law, in relation

                 to exempting.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Kuhl, an explanation has been requested by

                 Senator Paterson.

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            This bill has a very simple

                 purpose.  Back about seven years ago, when we





                                                          8548



                 passed a piece of legislation, included in

                 that piece of legislation dealing with motor

                 vehicle safety was a provision that would

                 include farm and, I quote, farm-plated

                 vehicles to require individual liability

                 insurance.

                            Up until that time, it was not

                 required.  And there really was no purpose

                 other than some people thought that -- like

                 the Trial Lawyers Association -- if there was

                 more insurance coverage, in fact that their

                 claims might be more successful.

                            This bill simply would exclude that

                 coverage from being required.  It would take

                 us back to the pre-1994 requirements relative

                 to providing insurance liability coverage for

                 farm-plated vehicles.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson, on the bill.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    This is my

                 annual discussion that I have with Senator





                                                          8549



                 Kuhl about the farm-plated vehicles.

                            And although I've been unable to

                 really find in the case law any time when the

                 farm-plated vehicles were ever in any

                 accidents off of the farm -- meaning that the

                 situation that I'm about to allude to is one

                 that would be speculative -- but nonetheless,

                 one of the reasons that I think the

                 legislation was passed in 1994 was to make

                 sure that there was insurance for any type of

                 vehicular accident regardless of what type of

                 vehicle it was.

                            Now, this is, of course, very

                 difficult, because these are vehicles that are

                 exclusively used on farms, they are trucks or

                 just -- they carry supplies or can move farm

                 equipment around.  And certainly it's an

                 encumbrance on the farmer who -- all of whom

                 have been in a rather difficult strait and one

                 that demands greater sensitivity and

                 understanding, particularly by this

                 Legislature.

                            What we suggested in previous

                 debates is that an ample substitute would be

                 if the farmer's umbrella insurance policy





                                                          8550



                 would actually cover this.  And in some

                 research that we've done over the years, we've

                 found that, for instance, if the farm-plated

                 vehicle were ever to go outside of the

                 perimeters of the farm, it's a gray area; it's

                 probably not covered by the umbrella insurance

                 policy.  Certainly one of the local insurance

                 companies or a couple of them that we checked

                 with felt that way.

                            And so it creates a dilemma and,

                 really, competing values.  We don't want to do

                 anything to add to the cost of running a farm.

                 At the same time, as we read in the newspapers

                 every day, there are incidents where

                 individuals -- maybe a younger person engaging

                 in some kind of mirth or joyride or something

                 like that -- could actually do this.  It is

                 possible.

                            And if somebody were injured, we

                 wouldn't want anybody in this state and

                 presumably in those areas -- perhaps another

                 farmer or the family member of another

                 farmer -- to be injured in any kind of an

                 altercation with one of these vehicles.

                            And this is why some of us in the





                                                          8551



                 past have voted against the legislation.  We

                 don't really, in the end, want to see any

                 added cost go to the farmers.  But what we

                 would like, once and for all, is for someone

                 to clear up how anyone that would perhaps be

                 in an accident with one of these vehicles

                 would be covered under the policy.

                            And if Senator Kuhl would yield for

                 a question.

                            SENATOR KUHL:    I'd be happy to

                 yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Kuhl.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    That's simply

                 my question, Senator.  What would happen if

                 another person driving another vehicle was hit

                 or a pedestrian was hit by one of these

                 vehicles at a time -- and I preface this by

                 letting you know that I understand that it's

                 not speculative, but I can't think of an

                 incident where it's happened.  But I guess as

                 a legislature, there is some foreseeability.

                 That is our charge and to some degree our

                 responsibility.

                            And if that were to happen, what do





                                                          8552



                 you see as the possible coverage?

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Well, Senator,

                 number one, you're absolutely correct in your

                 analysis that there are very few, if any,

                 accidents on record dealing with farm-plated

                 vehicles.

                            The requirements and restrictions

                 placed on a farm vehicle limit the area in

                 which this vehicle can in fact travel.  So you

                 have not tractors, necessarily, but you have

                 vehicles that are used for a specific purpose

                 maybe once or twice during the course of a

                 year that in fact they might be caught

                 carrying watermelons, for instance, from the

                 field back to the farm.  They're very, very

                 restricted in their use.

                            Now, I just wanted to make sure you

                 were listening, Senator.  I was waiting for

                 you to conclude your conversations.  You're

                 having about four of them all at once there,

                 and I know that you're having a hard time

                 hearing my explanation.

                            But if there were to be an

                 accident, let's take in any case, and in the

                 particular litigious society that we live in,





                                                          8553



                 if it was Senator Dollinger who happened to be

                 there next to the ambulance or whatever, we

                 know that there would be a claim filed against

                 the farmers.

                            Most farmers prior to 1994 -- and

                 our system has not changed significantly since

                 that time -- have protected themselves against

                 that lawsuit.  So they've provided for general

                 liability coverage under farm policies that

                 would cover this type of vehicle.

                            Now, what we did is we required

                 them to go and get an additional policy

                 specifically for each one of these vehicles,

                 which obviously creates a tremendous cost to

                 them.  This bill, again, goes to eliminate

                 that.

                            Now, most farmers, as you know, and

                 most individuals, use insurance for protecting

                 themselves.  If they don't have insurance,

                 then they throw their assets; if you will,

                 potentially make them liable or eligible to

                 be -- to have a claim set against them by any

                 particular claimant.  So if a farmer has a

                 farm of, say, relatively large substance, a

                 couple of hundred acres, he or she has a





                                                          8554



                 significant investment.  So if they don't

                 insure themselves, then they subject their

                 livelihood and the farm to a claim for any

                 kind of an accident against them.

                            So whether there is a private

                 insurance company providing insurance for them

                 or not, they have in effect provided insurance

                 coverage in the not literal sense, but in the

                 sense that they have assets to back up any

                 claims against them.

                            And as you know, a farmer's wealth

                 really is in his assets.  And they have

                 significant values in their -- not only their

                 equipment, but if they have dairy farms, in

                 their animals, or some other type of animal

                 farm, or in their land, which most of them

                 have.

                            So there is no real reason why we

                 should require farmers to overinsure and

                 overprotect for that unique or very, very

                 extreme and very infrequent situation where

                 there may be an accident and somebody is in

                 fact subjected to some sort of pain and some

                 potential relief.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator





                                                          8555



                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.  If Senator Kuhl would continue to

                 yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Kuhl, do you yield for another question?

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Yes, I'd be happy

                 to.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, thank

                 you for your answer.  In fact, thank you for

                 both of your answers.

                            And I agree that it would seem

                 fruitless in a highly speculative and remote

                 possibility such as the one that we're talking

                 about -- although I don't know how frequently

                 these farm-plated vehicles are driven perhaps

                 off the premises, not even in the instance

                 that I cited.  But perhaps somebody just uses

                 them in place of a vehicle at some point, just

                 to take something to another location and so

                 forth.

                            But my question relates to the

                 ability to seize against a person who would





                                                          8556



                 cause an accident.  And I would suggest to you

                 that that's the same option that the victim of

                 an accident would have against anybody.  In

                 other words, if they have any assets and you

                 can find them and you can make a claim against

                 them, I guess you can actually receive them.

                 But what we've tried to do as a society, to

                 make that whole process of finding assets a

                 little easier, is to provide insurance.

                            Do you think in this case it would

                 be better to leave it the way it was before

                 1994, when we passed this legislation, and

                 leave to a potential victim -- who, we must

                 remember, might be in very much the same

                 circumstances as the farmer.  It might be

                 another farmer who has to exhaust costs to try

                 to sue in this type of a situation.

                            Do you think it would be better to

                 leave the law the way it was in 1994?

                 Obviously, because you've written this.  But

                 I'm just saying you're comfortable with the

                 final result that the victim has no better

                 action against this farmer than any other

                 person they might run into on the road?

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Senator, I'll go





                                                          8557



                 back to 1994.  When we included this provision

                 in the law I objected to it then, didn't think

                 it was necessary.  But there were some people

                 who felt that it was no problem, setting aside

                 the cost.  The costs turned out to be larger

                 than they had anticipated.

                            But, yes, I'm comfortable with

                 that.  Because one of the -- and we have had

                 this debate on this floor as to whether or not

                 the current minimum limits on liability

                 insurance on vehicles are adequate.  We've

                 discussed the question of whether or not there

                 should be increased provisions for uninsured

                 operators.

                            But there is security in this

                 particular situation, because farmers are

                 asset-laden.  They have land, they have

                 equipment, they have animals.  And as you

                 know, there's nobody who is going to leverage

                 a large percentage of the assets on farm

                 operations.  As a matter of fact, farmers have

                 more difficulty getting loans than any other

                 business operation in this state today.

                            So if there's anything that we've

                 done, that is to duplicate the actual





                                                          8558



                 insurance coverage.  Because now we're

                 actually asking them to jeopardize their

                 assets by including another fee which is

                 totally unnecessary.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Mr.

                 President, will Senator Kuhl yield to just one

                 question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Kuhl, will you yield for one question?

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Yes.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Does -- does

                 the -- does the provision of the -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Whoa,

                 just a second.

                            The Senator yields?

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Go

                 ahead.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you.

                            Does the provision of the 1994 law

                 create no-fault benefits in the event that

                 someone's injured in the operation of one of

                 these farm-plated vehicles?  Is that -- in





                                                          8559



                 covering it with the general automobile

                 financial security act, does it include the

                 benefits of no-fault?

                            SENATOR KUHL:    No.  In my best

                 recollection, the 1994 statute dealt with

                 essentially vehicle safety provisions that

                 were coming down through the federal

                 government that we needed to incorporate to

                 make our law compliant.

                            And one of the provisions that was

                 added was this requirement that farm-plated

                 vehicles will individually have to have

                 minimum liability coverage.  That was never

                 there before.  There's no other speaking to

                 any other kinds of requirements, as I

                 remember.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Okay.

                            Through you, Mr. President, just

                 one other follow-up question as a

                 clarification.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Kuhl, do you yield for another question?

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.





                                                          8560



                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Under the

                 current law, if someone were injured in this

                 accident -- Senator Paterson has suggested we

                 haven't been able to find anyone if they have.

                 But if they were injured, would they be

                 covered by no-fault?  I assume they have to

                 buy a general automobile or vehicle policy in

                 New York.

                            And the reason why I'm asking,

                 Senator Kuhl, is because, as you know, under

                 the no-fault statute, as distinguished from

                 your general liability policy, you get lost

                 wages and all your medical benefits paid for,

                 regardless of fault.

                            So whether the farmer is at fault

                 or not, if the vehicle is separately plated

                 and separately insured, they get a benefit

                 that wouldn't be available under the

                 comprehensive general liability policy of the

                 farm.

                            SENATOR KUHL:    I don't know

                 specifically, Senator.

                            But in answer to your question as

                 to whether or not they've been insured, I've

                 never actually seen one of these policies





                                                          8561



                 written and digested it.  I'm sure that there

                 are restrictions.

                            And Senator Paterson talked about

                 what if somebody was randomly taking this

                 outside of the restrictions placed on it.

                 Well, in that case probably the insurance

                 companies are writing the policies totally

                 restrictive around the regulations included in

                 the issuance of that registration.  Which

                 would mean not more than 25 miles from the

                 farm and only for specific locations.

                            So if that were the case, it was

                 somebody who went and stole the farm-plated

                 vehicle, went out and got in an accident -

                 which we've never heard of that happening.  I

                 mean, if you're going to steal a car, you take

                 one that has headlights, you take one that

                 has, you know, hubcaps and looks decent as

                 you're running down through the main street of

                 town, rather than something that has

                 watermelons falling off the back end of it or

                 something like that.

                            So I'm just saying, you know, it's

                 not often that you have one of these that's

                 misused.  They're used totally in the





                                                          8562



                 operation of the farms.  But should that

                 happen, I'm sure the policies are written

                 restrictively enough so that that policy, as

                 written, would not include that accident.

                            So that kind of convolutes my

                 answer to your question, because I can't be

                 specific to know exactly under what

                 circumstances, speculatively, this might

                 happen.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.  Just briefly on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger, on the bill.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I appreciate

                 what Senator Kuhl is trying to do here.

                            I've voted against this bill in the

                 past.  I'm going to vote against it again,

                 because I think that one of the standards we

                 have, and I think it was affirmed in the 1994

                 legislation, was that any vehicle operating on

                 the highways of the state of New York should

                 have certain minimal insurance coverage on it,

                 number one.

                            And, number two, there's no reason

                 to make an exception from our general no-fault





                                                          8563



                 provisions.  No-fault coverage, which was

                 enacted by this Legislature in the mid-1970s,

                 where we said to everyone, if you're going to

                 be on the road, you've got to have no-fault

                 insurance.  Which means that regardless of

                 who's at fault in the accident, we're going to

                 pay you lost wages and we're going to pay for

                 the cost of your medical benefits.

                            And it seems to me that the farm

                 vehicles, that even in their limited use -

                 and I agree with Senator Kuhl, it's probably

                 very limited -- should still have that

                 protection available, not only for the driver

                 of another vehicle who might be involved in an

                 accident with a farm implement, but, frankly,

                 for the farmer himself.

                            Under the no-fault law, regardless

                 of fault, they would get that benefit,

                 coverage for lost wages and medical benefits

                 paid as well, which is not available under

                 comprehensive general liability insurance

                 coverage in this state.

                            And lastly, Senator Kuhl, I have to

                 bring up just one item on which I will

                 slightly disagree with you and the author of





                                                          8564



                 your memo in support of this bill.  You

                 suggest here in some cases the cost of

                 obtaining insurance actually exceeds the cost

                 of the vehicle.

                            Senator Kuhl, I know you've had

                 young sons who have been through their driving

                 age.  I have two of them.  I own their motor

                 vehicles, Senator Kuhl.  And I would suggest

                 to you that their vehicles are worth

                 substantially less than the cost of my buying

                 their insurance coverage for them.

                            If that were the test, Senator

                 Kuhl, then all those parents who own vehicles

                 for their children might as well give up.  The

                 $500 to $600 car which costs $1700 to insure

                 would be a thing of the past.  I would not

                 miss that, Senator Kuhl.  I would feel a

                 wealthier man if that were the case.

                            But the mere cost of insurance

                 shouldn't stand in the way of having everyone

                 subscribe to our no-fault laws.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Kuhl.

                            SENATOR KUHL:    Yes, Mr.

                 President, just briefly on the bill.





                                                          8565



                            Senator Dollinger indicated that

                 there was -- his thought was that the 1994

                 legislation required all motor vehicles on the

                 premises to be insured.  That is not correct.

                 There are exclusions.  Tractors, for instance,

                 are not -- what they call farm-plated

                 vehicles, they're not licensed or registered.

                 They are allowed on the highway.  And there is

                 no insurance on them.

                            So just to correct your

                 misinformation, Senator Dollinger.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

                 act shall take effect on the 60th day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco, to explain his vote.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes, I

                 also -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    I'm

                 sorry, Senator.  Let me ask him to call the

                 roll.  My mistake.

                            Call the roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)





                                                          8566



                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco.

                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    I also vote

                 no on this bill.  And my reasons are as

                 follows.

                            First of all, there seems always to

                 be a backhand shot at the trial bar thinking

                 that this is something that is to their

                 benefit.  Quite frankly, if someone doesn't

                 have insurance and injures somebody and that

                 party cannot seek compensation, then the

                 public is going to pay for the injuries that

                 were caused by an individual.  And that's

                 precisely why we have insurances like

                 automobile insurance.

                            If the standard is that if the

                 assets are worth a lot, like the farmer's, you

                 don't have to get automobile insurance, then

                 do we exempt every person who has a lot of

                 assets because they're wealthy in a different

                 way?  That's not the standard, and that's not

                 prudent.

                            I would be more than happy to

                 support this bill with one small amendment:

                 If the farmer could prove that, through some





                                                          8567



                 other insurance or a rider to his other

                 liability insurance or her other liability

                 insurance, this type of problem were covered.

                            And it's not provided here.  And

                 people can be injured by these vehicles, and

                 they should be insured.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 DeFrancisco will be recorded in the negative.

                            Announce the results.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

                 the negative on Calendar Number 729 are

                 Senators Brown, Connor, DeFrancisco,

                 Dollinger, Kruger, Lachman, Markowitz,

                 Onorato, Paterson, Schneiderman, and Stavisky.

                 Ayes, 45.  Nays, 11.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 839, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 3583, an

                 act to amend the Penal Law -

                            SENATOR PADAVAN:    Lay it aside

                 for the day.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Lay the

                 bill aside for the day.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number





                                                          8568



                 872, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 3929, an

                 act to amend the Public Service Law, in

                 relation to authority.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright, an explanation has been requested by

                 Senator Dollinger.

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            This bill amends the Public Service

                 Law.  And it does several things, all of which

                 is intended to facilitate competition within

                 the telecommunications industry.

                            First of all, it establishes the

                 incumbent local exchange carriers.  That would

                 be your traditional phone providers.

                            Secondly, it requires that they

                 have permission and approval by the Public

                 Service Commission when it comes to any

                 transfer of franchise property or issuance of

                 debt.  In turn, it then excludes the competing

                 companies from that same requirement, simply

                 requiring them to make a filing and register

                 with the Public Service Commission.

                            It goes on to further eliminate





                                                          8569



                 that requirement and replace it with

                 registration.  It also changes the approval

                 period for a constructive grant of authority,

                 reducing it from 90 to 45 days.

                            And, lastly, it eliminates

                 references to the telegraph companies, which

                 were actually suspended in 1981.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, if the sponsor will just yield

                 for one question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright, do you yield for a question?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Yes, I will.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    The sponsor

                 yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I'm

                 concerned, Senator Wright, about the provision

                 that allows the commission to, in essence -

                 do I understand this correctly, to reregulate

                 telephone companies in the event it determines

                 that reregulation to be in the public

                 interest?

                            I'm just interested in what the





                                                          8570



                 standards are for the determination of that.

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Well, Senator, I

                 don't interpret it as doing that in terms of

                 reregulating.  We're excluding a number of

                 requirements.  They have always had

                 jurisdiction over the companies in New York as

                 it relates to debt issuance and transfer of

                 franchises.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, if the sponsor will continue to

                 yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright, do you continue to yield?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Yes, I will, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    On page 4 of

                 the bill, starting -- the "notwithstanding"

                 clause, line 14, which talks about

                 notwithstanding the previous provisions, any

                 application for approval shall be deemed

                 granted unless otherwise the -- determines in





                                                          8571



                 the public interest requires a commission

                 review.  And it says "review its written

                 order."

                            I'm just trying to make sure I

                 understand what that provision deals with.

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Senator, would

                 you give us the citation again, where you are?

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    It's page 4,

                 line 13.  It's the "notwithstanding" clause.

                            I just want to make sure I

                 understand this clause and its impact on this

                 bill.

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Senator, that is

                 the constructive grant provisions that

                 currently call for a 90-day period that is

                 currently in effect with the telephone

                 companies, that is being reduced to 45 days.

                 Unless, as it further goes on to say, unless

                 the public interest requires the commission to

                 review its written order.

                            So the commission has the authority

                 to intercede if it chooses.  Otherwise, it

                 goes forward after the 45 days.  Which is

                 currently the case in 90 days.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Okay.  And





                                                          8572



                 through you, Mr. President, just one final

                 question.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright, do you yield?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Yes, I will.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I want to

                 make sure I understand the reference to

                 reregulation.  I think it's referred to in the

                 bill memo.

                            Under what circumstances could

                 the -

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    I believe you're

                 referring to a section of the memo that speaks

                 to the telegraph provisions.  The telegraph

                 provisions were suspended in 1981.  This

                 provides for their elimination.

                            However, if there should be some

                 dramatic change in that industry -- which,

                 frankly, no one foresees in the course of the

                 next year -- but were that to be the case, it

                 would enable the commission to reestablish

                 regulations of the telegraph industry.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,





                                                          8573



                 Mr. President, let me just clarify this with

                 Senator Wright.  And I appreciate his

                 patience.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright, do you yield for another question?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    I do, Mr.

                 President.

                            Because it's the same section I was

                 questioning my counsel on, because the memo is

                 not very artfully crafted.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    The phrase

                 I'm referring to, Senator Wright, says -- in

                 the squib description of this bill it says

                 "authorize the PSC to reinstitute regulatory

                 requirements for competitive telephone

                 businesses one year after the bill's enactment

                 if necessary to protect the public interest."

                            And I guess my question is, does

                 the PSC already have that power, or are we

                 giving them that power de novo, now, in this

                 bill?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Senator, they

                 already have that power.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, if Senator Wright will continue





                                                          8574



                 to yield.

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Yes, I will, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Then what in

                 this bill changes that power?  Is there any

                 alteration of that power in this bill?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Mr. President,

                 through you.  The only changes that are made

                 here are relative to the issuance of debt and

                 the transfer of property.  And that is

                 extended to competing telephone companies, to

                 encourage that.

                            We clearly identify incumbent local

                 exchanges, or what we refer to as the

                 providers of last resort, thereby ensuring

                 that there's access to service.  We retain

                 oversight of those providers because they are

                 the providers of last resort.  We extend

                 flexibility to new entrants into the market so

                 that we encourage and facilitate that

                 competition.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Final

                 question, Mr. President, if Senator Wright





                                                          8575



                 will continue to yield.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    I will, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    On page 1 of

                 the bill, the section that I'm referring to I

                 think is the section that starts at line 13,

                 runs to line 18.

                            My only question, Senator Wright,

                 my concluding question is, are you satisfied

                 that the phrase "found necessary to protect

                 the public's interest" is one that the PSC has

                 an experience in determining with respect to,

                 in essence, the reinstitution of regulatory

                 control over that carrier of last resort, as

                 you describe it?  Are you satisfied that we've

                 given them enough guidance on when they should

                 do that, if at all?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Mr. President, I

                 am.  I'm satisfied that we have sufficient

                 experience, that we have sufficient history.

                 And, more importantly, they are still required





                                                          8576



                 to register, so that there is a notification,

                 an oversight provision by the Public Service

                 Commission.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Thank you,

                 Mr. President.  Just briefly on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger, on the bill.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I'm going to

                 vote in favor of this bill, Mr. President.

                 I'm concerned about the overall impact of

                 telecommunications deregulation in this state.

                 I believe that it has experienced some

                 success.  It has also undergone some necessary

                 or unnecessary glitches in the process.

                            I'm concerned about that "public

                 interest" phrase in the first page of the bill

                 and some of the changes there.  But I'll

                 concur with Senator Wright.  We do have some

                 experience in doing this.  We've delegated

                 this power to the Public Service Commission

                 before.

                            My only concern is that as we go

                 through this new competitive marketplace in

                 telecommunications, we need to keep a careful

                 eye on it.  And my hope is that while this





                                                          8577



                 bill is a justifiable extension of that

                 deregulation process, that we may have to

                 revisit these issues in the near future as

                 well.  And we've got to stay attuned, keep our

                 eye on the ball, so to speak, Mr. President.

                            Thank you.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard?

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1004, by Senator Wright -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Padavan.

                            SENATOR PADAVAN:    Mr. President,

                 there's a Rules Committee meeting being held

                 in Room 332, the Majority Conference Room.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    There





                                                          8578



                 will be a Rules Committee meeting in the

                 Majority Conference Room.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1004, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 2950, an

                 act to amend the County Law, in relation to

                 the electronic recording of proceedings.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Mr.

                 President, will the sponsor yield just to one

                 question?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Wright, do you yield for one question?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    I will, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 sponsor yields.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, does this bill still require

                 the county boards of supervisors to keep paper

                 records?  Did they eliminate paper records

                 completely under this proposal?

                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Mr. President,

                 through you, the answer is no.





                                                          8579



                            Having both served in local

                 government, Senator, I'm sure you're aware of

                 all the paperwork and recordkeeping that goes

                 on.  This does afford, though, the option of

                 using the electronically recorded proceedings

                 of the board, and thereby extending that

                 option.

                            And all of the requisite filings

                 can be done electronically if they so choose.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, in view of Senator Wright's

                 answer, I'm going to vote in favor of this

                 bill.

                            My concern was that if you only had

                 electronically recorded records and you

                 weren't obligated -- I'm just going to explain

                 my position on the bill.  I'm not even asking

                 any questions.

                            My concern was I think we still

                 have to keep paper available and we still have

                 to require government, even if they store them

                 electronically, to reproduce them on paper

                 under the Freedom of Information Act.  My

                 concern was that if they're only required to

                 keep them electronically, and if in response





                                                          8580



                 to a Freedom of Information request they

                 delivered the records electronically, you

                 would need to have an electronic means of

                 reproducing them.

                            So long as they're still required

                 to keep them in paper or produce them for the

                 public in paper, I'm more than willing to vote

                 in favor of this bill.  My concern was that we

                 would be allowing electronic recording of

                 meetings and other things that would in

                 essence reduce the public access to public

                 information.

                            We ought to be doing everything

                 possible to give our communities the ability

                 to save money by storing it differently but

                 require that they produce it in paper for a

                 public that may not be not fully attuned to

                 the electronic age.

                            I'll vote in favor, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the





                                                          8581



                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 1010, by Senator Hannon, Senate Print 4490, an

                 act to amend Chapter 293 of the Laws of 1999.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Through you,

                 Mr. President, just briefly on the bill.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger, on the bill.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I understand

                 from the sponsor's memo in this case that we

                 are simply adding a lot, which is owned by a

                 tax-exempt organization, for which they failed

                 to promptly file to meet the taxable status

                 date for the extension of the real property

                 tax exemption to this lot.

                            I go back to something I said

                 earlier.  We are, best I can tell, acting more

                 and more like the state assessment review

                 board than a state legislature.





                                                          8582



                            Senator Hannon, the sponsor of this

                 bill, has a bill that I know there are people

                 in this state that don't want to see passed,

                 like the assessors, who don't want all the

                 complications of partial property tax

                 exemptions.

                            But, Senator Hannon, we can have a

                 both-ways bill.  We can have a bill that says

                 abate them when they deserve to be abated and

                 tax them when they deserve to be taxed.  When

                 not-for-profit agencies sell the building,

                 there's no reason why the for-profit taxpaying

                 entity should get the benefit of the

                 not-for-profit tax status.

                            There are ways we can do this.  I

                 know that Senator Hannon has a bill.  I

                 remember -- I think we may have even debated

                 it here once.  That's the right way to

                 approach it.

                            In the meantime, we continue,

                 frankly, to put in lots of time and print

                 bills and pay all this money to do something

                 that, frankly, we should empower local

                 assessors to do, grant partial property tax

                 exemptions.  That's the solution.





                                                          8583



                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Hannon.

                            SENATOR HANNON:    Just to clarify.

                            This bill and a few others like it

                 does not deal with the use, does not deal with

                 when the use is measured, because that's

                 already covered in law.  This is a question of

                 filing and whether or not the time for filing

                 has been passed and whether we can give a

                 reprieve from that time for filing.

                            This specific bill happens to be

                 dealing with the fact that the original

                 description was not complete enough.

                            My esteemed colleague Senator

                 Dollinger is wrong on one thing.  When a

                 not-for-profit sells a piece of land that was

                 exempt, the law already provides that it goes

                 right back on the tax rolls.  So that the only

                 impediment we have is when the not-for-profit

                 is buying a piece of land and can show that

                 it's actually being used for exempt purposes,

                 it does not get the immediate availability.

                 It has to wait.

                            And so that's the problem my

                 general bill tries to address.  Since we can't





                                                          8584



                 that get that passed, people are resorting to

                 this.  I think with the question of time, with

                 the number of these partial bills, such as

                 Senator Thompson's earlier, we will get a

                 general change at some point.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard?

                            Hearing none, debate is closed.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect immediately.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.  Nays,

                 1.  Senator Dollinger recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

                 132, by Senator Stafford, Senate Print 846, an

                 act to amend the Labor Law, in relation to

                 licenses.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator





                                                          8585



                 Stafford, Senator Paterson has requested an

                 explanation of Calendar 132.

                            SENATOR STAFFORD:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.  I didn't make the error today in

                 addressing the chair.

                            This bill, once again, you have to

                 have responsible people in this field.  That's

                 why they have to be licensed.  We have to make

                 sure that they're competent, careful, and

                 professional.

                            And what this does, rather than

                 have to get their license every year, they

                 would get one every three years.  Also, since

                 it's $50 a year now, we're saying it would be

                 $150.

                            And again, people that are in this

                 field, it is a business.  We need them.  They

                 are responsible people.  And we're trying to

                 make sure that we have good people,

                 professionals, but we are trying to decrease

                 the burden upon them as far as getting a

                 license every year, that they get one every

                 three years.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.





                                                          8586



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 I would just like the record to reflect that

                 last year Senators Duane, Stavisky, and

                 Montgomery voted in the negative.

                            And perhaps in light of the fact

                 that because of the highly flammable nature of

                 the products that come into possession of

                 these individual with licenses, that perhaps

                 an annual recounting and relicensing of them

                 would be preferable to a triennial one.

                            But I just wanted to point that

                 out, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Montgomery.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes, Mr.

                 President, just briefly on the bill.

                            I have debated, I think, this bill

                 and made the statement similar to what Senator

                 Paterson made.  And that is, I just see no

                 reason why we should reduce the time frame for

                 relicensure for people who are handling

                 essentially extremely dangerous material.

                            So I think I asked the question

                 before.  Certainly, I've heard Senator

                 Stafford's explanation of why he wants to do





                                                          8587



                 it.  But I am still concerned, and I will

                 continue to vote in the negative, just simply

                 because I think that we should not in any way

                 loosen our laws regulating the possession of

                 these kinds of materials.

                            I will be voting no, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Senator Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Mr.

                 President, just very briefly.

                            This was a good bill three years

                 ago.  This was a good bill two years ago.  It

                 was a good bill last year.  But it's missing

                 something this year.  All three of the prior

                 years, Senator Stafford, my name was actually

                 on this bill.

                            This is a bill that actually came

                 up from an idea that was originally with just

                 my name on it.  Then you joined in it because

                 of your concern up in the North Country, and

                 it was the Stafford-Dollinger bill.  I thought

                 it was working its way to eventual passage.

                            I'm proud to say this year it may

                 even have a better prospect for passage.  But





                                                          8588



                 it's missing the name of the person who

                 originally sponsored the bill.  I guess that's

                 the way things work in the Senate sometimes,

                 is when they move from one side of the aisle

                 to the other they lose other names associated

                 with them.

                            But I'm going to vote in favor of

                 this.  I thought it was a good idea when my

                 constituent called me and said, I really

                 shouldn't have to renew my license every year;

                 that, We're in the business of rock and

                 asphalt materials.

                            And I thought it was a good idea.

                 I still think it's a good idea.  And I'm going

                 vote in favor of it.  I just am surprised that

                 the metamorphosis is such that it's lost part

                 of what was once its distinguishing

                 characteristic.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Paterson.

                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Mr. President,

                 I heard that when Martin Luther King used a

                 passage or a quote from someone else, that the

                 first time he quoted it, the second time he

                 said someone said it, and the third time he





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                 decided it was his.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Any

                 other Senator wish to be heard on the bill?

                            Read the last section.

                            SENATOR STAFFORD:    May I have my

                 name called, Mr. President, please.

                            I am one who is very -- well, shall

                 I say being here as long as I've been here, I

                 have done my best not to be in the situation

                 that's being suggested.

                            Now, I know Senator Dollinger had a

                 constituent.  And my constituent in this is

                 John Kuhlsen, of Dannemora, New York.  I grew

                 up in Dannemora, on the outside.

                            (Laughter.)

                            SENATOR STAFFORD:    And -- but I

                 do want to point out that I do have a

                 constituent.

                            And I'll talk with you about this.

                 This is something that's fallen through the

                 cracks.

                            And I thank you, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Onorato.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    To explain my





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                 vote, Mr. President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator,

                 we haven't started the roll call yet.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Oh, I thought

                 you called the roll.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Let us

                 do that, and then I'll recognize you to

                 explain your vote.

                            Read the last section.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

                 act shall take effect on the first day of

                 November.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Call the

                 roll.

                            (The Secretary called the roll.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Onorato, to explain his vote.

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    Mr. President,

                 I intend to vote for this legislation, in

                 spite of the fact that Senator Stafford and

                 Senator Dollinger have dissolved their

                 partnership.

                            (Laughter.)

                            SENATOR ONORATO:    I vote aye.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator





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                 Onorato will be recorded in the affirmative.

                            Senator Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Mr.

                 President, I'll be very brief.

                            Senator Stafford, I want to make it

                 clear I don't presume any malevolent

                 intention.  And it probably did just fall

                 through the cracks.

                            But I still think this is a good

                 idea.  I think this is the kind of

                 overregulation of an industry, the sand and

                 gravel business, that we just don't need to

                 do.  They don't need to do it every year.  A

                 constituent called me who happens to be a

                 friend of mine that runs, I think, the largest

                 gravel pit in Western New York.

                            So we may not share the same

                 constituent, but we both have a constituent

                 that has the same problem.  This is the kind

                 of overregulation we should do away with.  And

                 I'd love to be on the bill but, more

                 importantly, I'd love to get it passed.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger will be recorded in the affirmative.

                            Senator Montgomery, are you asking





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                 to be recognized?

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Montgomery, to explain her vote.

                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes, just

                 very briefly, Mr. President.

                            As I said before, I certainly want

                 to see this industry regulated.  I think it's

                 dangerous materials.  And we have much more

                 severe requirements for less dangerous

                 materials.

                            And so I think to ask people to

                 renew their license annually is not too much,

                 and I'm voting no on this legislation.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Montgomery will be recorded in the negative.

                            The Secretary will announce the

                 results.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.  Nays,

                 1.  Senator Montgomery recorded in the

                 negative.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The bill

                 is passed.

                            Senator Marcellino.

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                 President, may we please return to the reports

                 of standing committees.  And I believe there's

                 a report of the Rules Committee at the desk.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Reports

                 of standing committees.

                            The Secretary will read.

                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Bruno,

                 from the Committee on Rules, reports the

                 following bills:

                            Senate Print 541, by Senator

                 Hoffmann, an act to authorize the County of

                 Onondaga.

                            2197, by Senator Volker, an act to

                 amend the Education Law.

                            3045A, by Senator Oppenheimer, an

                 act to authorize the City of New Rochelle.

                            3679, by Senator Volker, an act to

                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law.

                            3757, by Senator Stafford, an act

                 to authorize participation.

                            3775, by Senator Nozzolio, an act

                 to amend the Executive Law.

                            3865, by Senator Volker, an act to

                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law and the

                 Family Court Act.





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                            3965, by Senator McGee, an act to

                 amend the Real Property Tax Law.

                            4489, by Senator Hannon, an act in

                 relation to permitting.

                            4838, by Senator Stafford, an act

                 to amend the General Municipal Law and others.

                            5249, by Senator Balboni, an act to

                 amend the Environmental Conservation Law and

                 others.

                            5303, by Senator Balboni, an act in

                 relation to allowing.

                            And 5385, by Senator Volker, an act

                 to amend the Mental Hygiene Law and others.

                            All bills ordered direct to third

                 reading.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Marcellino.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Mr.

                 President, I move to accept the report of the

                 Rules Committee.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    All

                 those in favor of accepting the report of

                 Rules Committee signify by saying aye.

                            (Response of "Aye.")

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Opposed,





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                 nay.

                            (No response.)

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 report of the Rules Committee is accepted.

                            All bills directly to third

                 reading.

                            Senator Marcellino.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Mr.

                 President, is there any housekeeping at the

                 desk?

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    We have

                 some motions, Senator.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Can we take

                 up those motions now, please.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Thank

                 you, we will.

                            Senator McGee.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            On behalf of Senator Larkin, on

                 page number 45, I offer the following

                 amendments to Calendar Number 769, Senate

                 Print Number 3786, and ask that said bill

                 retain its place on Third Reading Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The





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                 amendments are received and adopted, and the

                 bill will retain its place on the Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    On behalf of

                 Senator Meier, Mr. President -

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Thank

                 you.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    -- on page number

                 38, I offer the following amendments to

                 Calendar Number 693, Senate Print Number 4865,

                 and ask that said bill retain its place on

                 Third Reading Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and adopted, and the

                 bill will retain its place on the Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            On behalf of Senator Padavan, on

                 page number 57, I offer the following

                 amendments to Calendar Number 946, Senate

                 Print Number 5A, and ask that said bill retain

                 its place on Third Reading Calendar.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    The

                 amendments are received and adopted, and the





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                 bill will retain its place on the Third

                 Reading Calendar.

                            SENATOR McGEE:    Thank you, Mr.

                 President.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Thank

                 you, Senator McGee.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Mr.

                 President, there being -- oh, Senator

                 Dollinger for his -- I almost forgot.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator

                 Dollinger.

                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    How could

                 Senator Marcellino forget.

                            Mr. President, I'd like to give

                 written notice, pursuant to Rule XI of the

                 Senate Rules, that I will make a motion to

                 amend the Senate Rules and add a new rule, XV,

                 which will establish ethical standards for

                 members, officers, and employees of the

                 Senate.

                            I would ask that that motion be

                 filed in the Journal.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    Senator,

                 your motion is at the desk in writing, and it

                 will be filed in the Journal.





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                            Senator Marcellino.

                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Mr.

                 President, now that there is no further

                 business, I move we adjourn until Tuesday,

                 June 5th, at 11:00 a.m.

                            ACTING PRESIDENT MEIER:    On

                 motion, the Senate stands adjourned until

                 Tuesday, June 5th, at 11:00 a.m.

                            (Whereupon, at 4:24 p.m., the

                 Senate adjourned.)