Regular Session - January 28, 2002

                                                            293







                           NEW YORK STATE SENATE











                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD



















                             ALBANY, NEW YORK



                             January 28, 2002



                                 3:15 p.m.











                              REGULAR SESSION















            LT. GOVERNOR MARY O. DONOHUE, President



            STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary



































                                                        294







                           P R O C E E D I N G S



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate will



                 please come to order.



                            I ask everyone present to please



                 stand and repeat with me the Pledge of



                 Allegiance.



                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited



                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)



                            THE PRESIDENT:    With us this



                 afternoon to give the invocation is Rabbi



                 Nachman Simon, from Chabad-Lubavitch of the



                 Capital District, in Delmar.



                            RABBI SIMON:    Today marks the New



                 Year for Trees, the Jewish Arbor Day.



                            In the middle of the winter, when



                 the trees are barren and the grass is covered



                 with snow, we remember the past, when the



                 foliage fully bloomed and the land was covered



                 with green.  We also look forward to the



                 future, when spring will arrive and the trees



                 will begin to bud.



                            The fact that the New Year for



                 Trees usually occurs in the midst of cold and



                 frost is symbolic of our situation.  The world



                 lies stunned and dormant from the events from











                                                        295







                 last September.  Even though we remember the



                 sweet memories of peace and calm, we must also



                 look forward to the future, towards a better



                 tomorrow.



                            The Lubavitcher Rebbe always



                 stressed that when problems occur, it is in



                 order for us to rise above the challenges and



                 find better ways to combat evil.  Also, after



                 we are given the opportunity to uplift



                 ourselves, it is not sufficient to return in



                 our former situation, but to make improvements



                 for ourselves and for everyone around us.



                            May it be the will of the Almighty



                 that He help each and every one of us to help



                 the people of New York State and to make the



                 world better for everyone.



                            May this be the last preparation



                 needed before the arrival of the Moshiach, the



                 Messiah, speedily in our days, and let us all



                 say amen.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reading of the



                 Journal.



                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,



                 Sunday, January 27, the Senate met pursuant to



                 adjournment.  The Journal of Saturday,











                                                        296







                 January 26, was read and approved.  On motion,



                 Senate adjourned.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without



                 objection, the Journal stands approved as



                 read.



                            Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 there will be an immediate meeting of the



                 Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Committee in the



                 Majority Conference Room.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    There will be an



                 immediate meeting of the Alcoholism and Drug



                 Abuse Committee in the Majority Conference



                 Room.



                            Presentation of petitions.



                            Messages from the Assembly.



                            Messages from the Governor.



                            Reports of standing committees.



                            The Secretary will read.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Volker,



                 from the Committee on Codes, reports the



                 following bills:



                            Senate Print 66, by Senator



                 Velella, an act to amend the Criminal



                 Procedure Law;











                                                        297







                            85, by Senator Skelos, an act to



                 amend the Civil Rights Law;



                            95, by Senator Maltese, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law;



                            205, by Senator Volker, an act to



                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            490, by Senator Marcellino, an act



                 to amend the Penal Law;



                            1694A, by Senator Volker, an act to



                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            2617A, by Senator Rath, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law;



                            3499A, by Senator Wright, an act to



                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            3644, by Senator Rath, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law;



                            4327, by Senator Volker, an act to



                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            4512, by Senator Johnson, an act to



                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            5313, by Senator Volker, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law and the Correction Law;



                            And 5653, by Senator Volker, an act



                 to amend the Penal Law and others.



                            Senator Saland, from the Committee











                                                        298







                 on Children and Families, reports:



                            Senate Print 1447, with amendments,



                 by Senator Meier, an act to amend the Domestic



                 Relations Law;



                            2683A, by Senator Skelos, an act to



                 amend the Family Court Act;



                            3434, by Senator Saland, an act to



                 amend the Domestic Relations Law;



                            4231, by Senator Saland, an act to



                 amend the Family Court Act; and



                            4899A, by Senator Saland, an act to



                 amend the Social Services Law.



                            All bills ordered direct to third



                 reading.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without



                 objection, all bills reported direct to third



                 reading.



                            Reports of select committees.



                            Communications and reports from



                 state officers.



                            Motions and resolutions.



                            Senator Farley.



                            SENATOR FARLEY:    Thank you, Madam



                 President.



                            I move that the following bills be











                                                        299







                 discharged from their respective committees



                 and be recommitted with instructions to strike



                 the enacting clause:



                            On behalf of Senator Libous,



                 Senate 5483;



                            On behalf of Senator Maltese, 6104;



                            And on behalf of me, Senator



                 Farley, 1993, 3792A, 4638, and 4746A.



                            Madam President, on page 8 I offer



                 the following amendments to Calendar Number



                 56, Senate Print 2512A, and I ask that that



                 bill retain its place on the Third Reading



                 Calendar.  That's on behalf of Senator McGee.



                            On behalf of Senator Rath, on



                 page 4 I offer the following amendments to



                 Calendar 7, Senate Print 1450, and I ask that



                 that bill retain its place.



                            On behalf of Senator Johnson, on



                 page 8, Calendar Number 63, Senate Print 5260,



                 I ask that that bill retain its place also.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bills are so



                 amended, hearing no objection, and they will



                 also retain their place on the Third Reading



                 Calendar.



                            And on your initial motion,











                                                        300







                 Senator, the enacting clauses will be



                 stricken.



                            SENATOR FARLEY:    Thank you.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 if we could go to the noncontroversial



                 calendar.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary



                 will read.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 22, by Senator LaValle, Senate Print 1422, an



                 act to amend the General Municipal Law, in



                 relation to granting.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last



                 section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is



                 passed.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 24, by Senator Seward, Senate Print 2131, an



                 act to amend the Town Law, in relation to











                                                        301







                 permitting.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last



                 section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is



                 passed.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 27, by Senator McGee, Senate Print 3560, an



                 act to amend the General Municipal Law, in



                 relation to enhancing.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last



                 section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This



                 act shall take effect 180 days.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is



                 passed.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 29, by Senator Rath, Senate Print 4095, an act











                                                        302







                 to amend the Local Finance Law, in relation to



                 statutory installment bonds.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last



                 section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is



                 passed.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 40, by Senator Marcellino, Senate Print 806,



                 an act to amend the Environmental Conservation



                 Law, in relation to management.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last



                 section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 6.  This



                 act shall take effect on the first day of



                 January.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is



                 passed.











                                                        303







                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 44, by Senator Maltese, Senate Print 1841, an



                 act to amend the Environmental Conservation



                 Law, in relation to penalties.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last



                 section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is



                 passed.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 64, by Senator Skelos 



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Lay it aside for



                 the day, please.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid



                 aside for the day.



                            Senator Skelos, that completes the



                 reading of the noncontroversial calendar.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes.  Madam



                 President, if we could stand at ease.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate stands



                 at ease, Senator.











                                                        304

                            (Whereupon, the Senate stood at



                 ease at 3:25 p.m.)



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Malcolm



                 Smith.



                            SENATOR MALCOLM SMITH:    Yes,



                 thank you, Madam President.



                            I know the rules of the Senate do



                 not allow this, but if it was such and it did



                 allow it, I would have, if I could have,



                 recognized Richard Altabe, who is a gentleman



                 in my district who runs the Yeshiva Darchei



                 Torah school and represents most of the



                 yeshivas in my area, which represents close to



                 3,000 students.



                            Unfortunately, I know that the



                 Senate doesn't allow me to acknowledge his



                 presence as he sits in the gallery today, so I



                 will not do so.  And I would so, if I could



                 have.



                            Thank you.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    And, as usual,



                 done so with shrewdness and aplomb, Senator.



                            Senator Alesi.



                            SENATOR ALESI:    Thank you, Madam



                 President.











                                                        305







                            THE PRESIDENT:    You're welcome.



                            SENATOR ALESI:    I very much



                 understand Senator Smith's dismay at not being



                 able to introduce his guest according to the



                 rules of the Senate, simply because I have



                 three county legislators here from the County



                 of Monroe:  Pieter Smeenk, Bill Reilich, and



                 Chief of Staff Jeff McCann.



                            If I were able to announce their



                 presence, I would be happy to do so.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    We're happy to



                 cooperate with you on that, Senator Alesi.



                            Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 there will be an immediate meeting of the



                 Rules Committee in the Majority Conference



                 Room.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    There will be an



                 immediate meeting of the Rules Committee in



                 the Majority Conference Room.



                            (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened



                 at 3:34 p.m.)



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate will



                 please come to order.



                            Senator Skelos.











                                                        306







                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 if we could return to reports of standing



                 committees, I believe there's a report of the



                 Rules Committee at the desk.  I ask that it be



                 read.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reports of



                 standing committees.



                            The Secretary will read.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Bruno,



                 from the Committee on Rules, reports the



                 following bills:



                            Senate Print 6119, by Senator



                 Maltese, an act to amend the Education Law;



                            And Senate Print 6263, by Senator



                 Skelos, an act to amend the Correction Law.



                            Both bills ordered direct to third



                 reading.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Move to accept



                 the report of the Rules Committee.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    All those in



                 favor of accepting the report of the Rules



                 Committee signify by saying aye.



                            (Response of "Aye.")



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.











                                                        307







                            (No response.)



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The report is



                 accepted.



                            Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 there will be an immediate meeting of the



                 Transportation Committee in the Majority



                 Conference Room.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    There will be an



                 immediate meeting of the Transportation



                 Committee in the Majority Conference Room.



                            Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 at this time if we could take up Senate 6263.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary



                 will read Senate 6263.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 84, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 6263, an



                 act to amend the Correction Law, in relation



                 to the registration of sex offenders.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 is there a message at the desk?



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Yes, there is,



                 Senator Skelos.











                                                        308







                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Move to accept.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    All those in



                 favor of accepting the message of necessity



                 signify by saying aye.



                            (Response of "Aye.")



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.



                            (No response.)



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The message is



                 accepted.



                            Read the last section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 27.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.



                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Madam



                 President.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator



                 Dollinger.



                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    I believe



                 Senator Paterson asked for an explanation.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos,



                 an explanation has been requested.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 in November 2001 the state was informed that



                 we had not complied with federal law, which



                 could result in the loss of 10 percent of our











                                                        309







                 Byrne money grant of about $3 million.



                            By passing this bill, New York



                 State will be in full compliance with federal



                 mandates concerning the so-called Megan's Law.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Paterson.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Madam



                 President, if Senator Skelos would yield for a



                 question.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator, will you



                 yield for a question?



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos



                 yields, Senator.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Senator, I



                 just noticed that there are a number of



                 provisions in this bill.  And I want to know



                 if all of the provisions in this bill fall



                 under the federal requirements.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Yes, they do.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Okay.  Thank



                 you very much, Madam President.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator



                 Dollinger.



                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Madam



                 President, just to be heard on the bill.











                                                        310







                            I voted in favor of this in the



                 Rules Committee, and I will vote in favor of



                 it on the floor.  But this issue came up in



                 the Codes Committee in front of Senator Volker



                 today, the question of requiring compliance



                 with the registration by those who have been



                 adjudicated as number-three or Level 3



                 offenders.



                            In our community in Rochester, in



                 the neighborhood groups that have dealt with



                 this issue, we have run into a problem because



                 the police have informed us that they don't



                 have a leverage to get Class 3 offenders to



                 register consistent with the law.



                            The law requires that if they



                 change their residence, for example, they must



                 reregister.  It can require, in certain cases,



                 that they reregister or contact the police at



                 periodic times in order to notify them that



                 they're maintaining their current address.



                            What we have been told, what I have



                 been told in a number of neighborhood



                 meetings, by the officers in charge of sex



                 offender registry compliance in the city of



                 Rochester, is that the current penalty of a











                                                        311







                 misdemeanor is not sufficient to obtain



                 compliance with offenders' obligation to



                 register and notify the police of an address



                 change.



                            I've talked with Senator Volker



                 about a change that would raise the penalty



                 for noncompliance with the strict requirements



                 of registration from a Class A misdemeanor to



                 a Class D felony, so that these offenders



                 would have a further incentive to comply with



                 the registration requirements.



                            Otherwise, what happens, Madam



                 President, is that the registration



                 requirement ends up as somewhat illusory,



                 because offenders don't register.  The police



                 are attempting to enforce them under a



                 misdemeanor penalty, they don't comply.



                            Oftentimes, in the first offense,



                 what they will do is simply plead to an ACD



                 with an assurance of compliance in the future,



                 and as a consequence we don't get their



                 attention.



                            It seems to me that it's been a



                 problem in Rochester.  My guess is it's a



                 problem throughout the rest of the state.  I











                                                        312







                 think what we need to do is, if the sex



                 offender registry is really going to work, we



                 need to increase the penalties for



                 noncompliance so that everyone who is on the



                 list who's designated as a Level 3 offender,



                 the most serious form of offender, will get a



                 clear message that when we say "Register and



                 comply with the dictates of the registry," it



                 absolutely must be done, or, frankly, they'll



                 go back to jail.



                            That's the only way I can see to do



                 it.  The City of Rochester Police Department



                 has recommended that.



                            And I would urge that -- I'm going



                 to vote in favor of this bill, but my hope is



                 that this issue will not die and that



                 eventually in the Codes Committee this year



                 we'll get compliance and increase the penalty



                 to a felony.



                            I congratulate Senator Skelos, who



                 I know has worked on the sex offender registry



                 since their initiation here in the state, that



                 now we're going to be in full compliance with



                 the federal government.  And my hope is that



                 we'll get to that next step of increasing











                                                        313







                 penalties as well.



                            Thank you.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 if I could, I'll take a deep breath and say I



                 agree with Senator Dollinger.



                            (Laughter.)



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    When we



                 originally introduced, again, Megan's Law, we



                 sought to have a felony penalty for failure to



                 comply.  The Assembly felt a misdemeanor, A



                 misdemeanor, would be more appropriate.  We



                 wanted to get the bill passed.



                            I should point out a second offense



                 is a D felony.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Does any other



                 member wish to be heard?



                            Then the debate is closed.



                            Read the last section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 27.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.  Nays,



                 2.  Senators Duane and Montgomery recorded in



                 the negative.











                                                        314







                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is



                 passed.



                            Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 would you please take up Senate 6119, by



                 Senator Maltese.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary



                 will read Senate 6119, by Senator Maltese.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 83, by Senator Maltese, Senate Print 6119, an



                 act to amend the Education Law, in relation to



                 extending.



                            SENATOR HEVESI:    Explanation.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Maltese,



                 an explanation has been requested by Senator



                 Hevesi.



                            SENATOR MALTESE:    Madam



                 President, this bill has been drawn up at the



                 request of the New York City Board of



                 Elections, and both the Democratic executive



                 director and the Republican deputy director,



                 as well as the Democrat and the Republican



                 commissioners.



                            And I think the best way to speak



                 about the merits of the bill would be to quote











                                                        315







                 from the letter from Danny DeFrancesco, who is



                 the executive director of the City Board.



                 I'll paraphrase.  But he is writing at the



                 request of the board to postpone for one year



                 the election of the members of the community



                 school boards within the city of New York.



                            The election is presently scheduled



                 for Tuesday, May 7th.  In terms of elections,



                 it's nigh upon us.



                            The board believes that a



                 postponement of this election would be in the



                 best interests of the citizens of New York



                 because the board, as many people know, is in



                 the downtown area and was very severely



                 affected by being in close proximity to Ground



                 Zero.



                            The board has performed admirably,



                 not only the people in the New York City



                 Board, but the members and the personnel in



                 the boards of the five counties in New York



                 City.  The fact that many people felt that



                 they would not be able to adequately handle



                 the four elections -- the original primary



                 that had been scheduled for that day of



                 infamy, September 11th; the 9/25, which was











                                                        316







                 the postponement day; the Election Day in



                 November; and the runoff election -- and all



                 four were carried through with great



                 efficiency.



                            The board feels that the holding of



                 the school board election on May 7th would



                 come right about the time that they would also



                 be acting on the reapportionment for the city



                 of New York.  As all my esteemed colleagues



                 know, we will be in the process of



                 reapportioning for all legislative elections



                 as well as Congressional elections.



                            The city of New York has over 5,000



                 election districts, and they will be -- the



                 board will be called upon to work closely with



                 their commissioners, their political



                 commissioners, as well as all personnel, to



                 draw the districts and prepare maps for



                 petitioning.



                            The petitioning for the school



                 board election is due to begin January 29th,



                 which would on its face indicate the



                 impossibility of being able to carry it out at



                 the very same time they're preparing for



                 reapportioning.











                                                        317







                            In addition, as a side note, at a



                 time of very restricted and curtailment of



                 services being contemplated, we have a



                 situation where the school board election



                 would cost $9 million.  Now, to expend



                 $9 million to $10 million -- and this estimate



                 is provided by the New York City Board as well



                 as their counsels.



                            So the other thing that -- the



                 other point that the commissioners pointed



                 out, at the last school board election,



                 approximately 3 percent of the enrolled voters



                 that are eligible to vote in the school board



                 elections participated.



                            So the saving of money, the



                 difficulty of carrying it out at the same time



                 as reapportionment, the difficulties that the



                 board would encounter, the proximity to the



                 regular primary elections, all mandate that



                 this be postponed.



                            In addition to the postponement, of



                 course, all terms of the school board members



                 would be extended for one year.



                            I have not received letters or



                 communications from all the school boards, but











                                                        318







                 I have received communications from some of



                 the school boards.  No school board has



                 indicated in any way any opposition to this



                 bill.  And as a matter of fact, the school



                 boards that have communicated with us have



                 indicated their support for this bill.



                            SENATOR HEVESI:    Madam President.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Hevesi.



                            SENATOR HEVESI:    Thank you, Madam



                 President.  Would the sponsor please yield?



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Maltese,



                 do you 



                            SENATOR MALTESE:    Yes.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    He yields.  You



                 may proceed, Senator.



                            SENATOR HEVESI:    Thank you.



                 Through you, Madam President.



                            I understand the purpose of this



                 legislation.  I intend to support this



                 legislation.  And nobody disputes the



                 reasoning or rationale behind the need for it.



                            My question is one of a more broad



                 or more long-term public policy question,



                 which is should we really be extending school



                 board terms in consideration of practical











                                                        319







                 problems of implementation that probably could



                 have been foreseen a number of years ago?  I



                 mean, we knew we were going to be in a



                 reapportionment year this year and what have



                 you.



                            So my question to you is, Senator,



                 while this is necessary, what is your -- as



                 the chair of the Senate Elections Committee,



                 what's your vision as to where we're headed



                 with school board elections, given the



                 problems that I think most of us in this



                 chamber recognize?  Where are we headed with



                 community school boards in New York City?



                            SENATOR MALTESE:    Madam



                 President, there is legislation being



                 contemplated, of course, that would change,



                 certainly, the prerogatives and



                 responsibilities of the New York City Board of



                 Education in the City of New York, and they



                 range from outright abolition to turning all



                 or most of the powers over to the mayor of the



                 City of New York.



                            In addition, contemplated



                 legislation contains provisions which would



                 abolish the community school boards.











                                                        320







                            I think that in the intervening



                 time between now and the Election Day for next



                 year, the Senate Elections Committee, of which



                 Senator Hevesi is a member, both Democrat and



                 Republican, will be considering the future of



                 community school boards, working together with



                 the mayor of the City of New York and the City



                 Council and their new speaker, Gifford Miller.



                 So we'll be taking a serious look at this.



                            The shortness of time now meant



                 that we, in agreement with the Assembly, would



                 do this, enact this stopgap measure.  At the



                 same time, we are taking a serious look at all



                 the ramifications of continuing school board



                 elections, continuing the school boards, and



                 continuing the Board of Education in its



                 present shape or form.



                            SENATOR HEVESI:    Thank you.



                            Madam President, on the bill.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    You may proceed,



                 Senator Hevesi, on the bill.



                            SENATOR HEVESI:    Thank you.  Very



                 briefly, on the bill.



                            I'm appreciative of the sponsor's



                 response to that question and hopeful that we











                                                        321







                 will in fact do that in the next year, "that"



                 being really take under consideration what



                 needs to be done for fixing a system that is



                 so badly broken that you will find few



                 advocates of it, to the extent to which we



                 have come to the point where many individuals



                 who used to have confidence in the necessity



                 of a school board election for reasons of its



                 implementation have now said:  You know what?



                 Forget it.  Nobody shows up.



                            Which, by the way, is a problem



                 that probably could have been remedied by



                 having a system that wasn't so -- what's the



                 right word? -- ridiculous that, to be honest



                 with you, I will confess I don't really



                 understand it, the system for electing



                 community school board members.



                            That's actually not true.  I



                 understand it after somebody explains it to me



                 for ten minutes, and then two months later I



                 forget it again.



                            And we wonder why nobody shows up



                 at the school board elections and why is it



                 that we're holding school board elections in



                 May and why we didn't have the foresight to











                                                        322







                 prevent holding these elections this



                 particular year.



                            Having said that, the broader issue



                 of whether or not, after the reforms that we



                 made in 1996, which really took power 



                 justifiably, I believe, took power away from



                 the local school boards, whether they serve a



                 place or whether right now they serve merely



                 to be a distraction to real issues of teaching



                 in the classroom in the city of New York.  And



                 we alluded today during the joint fiscal



                 committees, Senate Finance and Assembly Ways



                 and Means Committee, to the problems of public



                 school governance in New York City.



                            So I would suggest that in the next



                 year at the very least, at the very least we



                 remedy the election problems of the community



                 school boards in New York City by holding them



                 at the same time, by changing their structure



                 and doing a number of things to make it easier



                 to boost turnout and do a host of things that



                 we need to do to make a process palatable if



                 you're going to even have a system where you



                 have community school boards, something I



                 think really doesn't need to exist anymore in











                                                        323







                 New York City and something that I hope that



                 the Senate and Assembly will take up this



                 year.



                            The time has come both for the



                 local community school boards and for the



                 central Board of Education to be debated



                 publicly and for action to be taken in terms



                 of governance for the New York City public



                 school system.



                            Thank you, Madam President.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Senator



                 Dollinger.



                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Just on the



                 bill briefly, Madam President.



                            This bill affects elections a long



                 ways away from Rochester, New York, that I



                 represent.  But I've participated in the



                 debate about the community school boards in



                 New York City simply because my view is that



                 despite the practical problems -- and I agree



                 there are practical problems, Senator Maltese,



                 that drive this bill -- I just can't vote to



                 postpone elections.



                             It seems to me that this is so



                 antidemocratic in the sense that we have terms











                                                        324







                 of elections, we pass those terms, we create



                 an expectation in the public that they'll be



                 able to vote for people and change their



                 choice and alter their choice on a regular



                 basis.



                            I understand and appreciate the



                 practical problems underlying this bill, but



                 merely because for some reason things can't be



                 processed fast enough to cover other important



                 elections doesn't seem to me to be a



                 sufficient justification to say we're going to



                 postpone elections.



                            I don't mean to make any direct



                 analogies, but I've always read in my lifetime



                 that -- you read all those stories about those



                 faraway places that were postponing elections



                 and, every time they did, somebody in America



                 would stand up and say, Well, gee, why are



                 they doing that?  What's wrong?  Something



                 must be wrong if they're postponing elections.



                            I would say if it's wrong to do in



                 democracies in other parts of the world, it's



                 not right to do even in New York City.



                            I appreciate and can understand and



                 perhaps empathize with the practical problems,











                                                        325







                 but postponing elections just doesn't seem to



                 me to be the right way to deal with it.



                            I'll vote no, Madam President.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Does any other



                 member wish to be heard?



                            Senator Lachman.



                            SENATOR LACHMAN:    Yes, Madam



                 President, I'm going to vote yes on this bill.



                            Besides the technical problems we



                 now have with the Board of Elections, I think



                 a bill involving community school boards must



                 be considered in an overall framework of the



                 Board of Education of the City of New York.



                            And since the mayor and the City



                 Council president today had certain



                 recommendations at the Finance Committee



                 hearing about this, I think it would be unwise



                 to separate the two and vote yes or no on the



                 two, because they are related to one another.



                            So without in any way discussing my



                 opinions on the subject, I think unfortunately



                 that won't be an election this year, but



                 fortunately we'll be able to discuss the



                 entire educational structure of the city of



                 New York on this issue.











                                                        326







                            THE PRESIDENT:    Does any other



                 member wish to be heard?



                            Senator Stavisky.



                            SENATOR STAVISKY:    I couldn't



                 decide whether I wanted to say something.



                            I'm going to vote yes on this bill



                 also.  And I think it's important to



                 remember -- I'm sorry, I was out of the



                 chamber at a Transportation Committee



                 meeting -- but approximately 3 percent of the



                 voters come out to vote in school board



                 elections.  And this has to be part of the



                 larger package, as Senator Lachman has said,



                 of the whole question of school governance.



                            This is an issue which is crying



                 out for change and for changes for the better.



                 And so I think this has to be part of the



                 package, and I vote yes.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Does any other



                 member wish to be heard on this bill?



                            Then the debate is closed.



                            Read the last section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.











                                                        327







                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.  Nays,



                 2.  Senators Dollinger and Duane recorded in



                 the negative.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is



                 passed.



                            Senator Marcellino.



                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Thank you,



                 Madam President.  May we now return to the



                 reports of standing committees.  I believe you



                 have some committee reports to be read.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reports of



                 standing committees.



                            The Secretary will read.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator McGee,



                 from the Committee on Alcoholism and Drug



                 Abuse, reports:



                            Senate Print 5476A, by Senator



                 Fuschillo, an act to amend the Vehicle and



                 Traffic Law and the Penal Law;



                            6120, by Senator Saland, an act to



                 amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.



                            Senator Trunzo, from the Committee



                 on Transportation, reports:



                            Senate Print 763, by Senator











                                                        328







                 Trunzo, an act to amend the Vehicle and



                 Traffic Law;



                            860, by Senator Balboni, an act to



                 amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law;



                            1237A, with amendments, by Senator



                 Trunzo, an act to amend the Vehicle and



                 Traffic Law;



                            1854, by Senator Maltese, an act to



                 amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law;



                            4388, by Senator Kuhl, an act to



                 amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law;



                            4669, by Senator Trunzo, an act to



                 amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law;



                            And 6264, by Senator Johnson, an



                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.



                            All bills ordered direct to third



                 reading.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without



                 objection, all bills ordered direct to third



                 reading.



                            Senator Marcellino.



                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Madam



                 President, is there any housekeeping at the



                 desk?



                            THE PRESIDENT:    No, there isn't,











                                                        329







                 Senator.



                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Therefore,



                 at this time, Madam President, on behalf of



                 Senator Bruno, I hand up the following



                 committee changes and ask that they be filed



                 in the Journal.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The committee



                 changes are received, and they will be filed



                 in the Journal, Senator.



                            Senator Dollinger.



                            SENATOR DOLLINGER:    Madam



                 President, I believe the Minority Leader,



                 Senator Connor, has handed up to the desk a



                 series of changes in the leadership positions



                 in the Democratic conference.  I'd ask that



                 those be filed as part of the records of the



                 Senate.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    They have been



                 received and will be filed in the Journal.



                            Senator Marcellino.



                            SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Madam



                 President, at this time, there being no



                 further business before the house, I move we



                 adjourn until Tuesday, January 29th, at



                 11:00 a.m.











                                                        330







                            THE PRESIDENT:    On motion, the



                 Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday,



                 January 29th, at 11:00 a.m.



                            (Whereupon, at 3:57 p.m., the



                 Senate adjourned.)