Regular Session - February 10, 2003

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                           NEW YORK STATE SENATE











                          THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD



















                             ALBANY, NEW YORK



                             February 10, 2003



                                 3:17 p.m.











                              REGULAR SESSION















            LT. GOVERNOR MARY O. DONOHUE, President



            STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary



































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                           P R O C E E D I N G S



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate will



                 please come to order.



                            I ask everyone present to please



                 rise and repeat with me the Pledge of



                 Allegiance.



                            (Whereupon, the assemblage recited



                 the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)



                            THE PRESIDENT:    With us this



                 afternoon to give the invocation is the



                 Reverend Peter G. Young, from Blessed



                 Sacrament Church in Bolton Landing, New York.



                            REVEREND YOUNG:    For 44 years.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    For 44 years.



                            REVEREND YOUNG:    As we prepare



                 for President's Week and we think of warmer



                 weather, we're caught today in the world of



                 reality, with another snowstorm and cold



                 chills, with all of the sneezes that go with



                 it.



                            We know that the poor and the needy



                 elderly need to be protected by laws that



                 provide for their life to be healthy and



                 fulfilling.  May we remember our New York



                 State citizens as responsible Senate











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                 leadership, that our need is to protect them



                 and their wellness.



                            We pray for all of the Senators and



                 their families that God will give them the



                 strength to carry on in their important



                 legislative responsibilities on behalf of our



                 New York State citizens.



                            Amen.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Reading of the



                 Journal.



                            THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,



                 Saturday, February 8, the Senate met pursuant



                 to adjournment.  The Journal of Friday,



                 February 7, was read and approved.  On motion,



                 Senate adjourned.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    Without



                 objection, the Journal stands approved as



                 read.



                            Presentation of petitions.



                            Messages from the Assembly.



                            Messages from the Governor.



                            Reports of standing committees.



                            The Secretary will read.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Senator Volker,



                 from the Committee on Codes, reports the











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                 following bills:



                            Senate Print 662, by Senator



                 Volker, an act to amend the Civil Practice Law



                 and Rules;



                            664, by Senator Volker, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law;



                            665, by Senator Volker, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law;



                            685, by Senator Padavan, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law;



                            763, by Senator Marcellino, an act



                 to amend the Penal Law;



                            775, by Senator Marcellino, an act



                 to amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            845, by Senator Padavan, an act to



                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            851, by Senator Balboni, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law;



                            877, by Senator Volker, an act to



                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            950, by Senator Alesi, an act to



                 amend the Penal Law;



                            995, by Senator Trunzo, an act to



                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            1021, by Senator Skelos, an act to











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                 amend the Criminal Procedure Law;



                            And Senate Print 1441, by Senator



                 Volker, an act to amend the Penal Law.



                            All bills ordered direct to third



                 reading.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    All bills



                 reported direct to third reading.



                            Reports of select committees.



                            Communications and reports from



                 state officers.



                            Motions and resolutions.



                            Senator Skelos.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 if we could go to the noncontroversial reading



                 of the calendar.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary



                 will read.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 34, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 688, an



                 act to amend the Tax Law, in relation to



                 authorizing the City of Fulton.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,



                 please.



                            THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid



                 aside.











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                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 36, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 327,



                 an act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law, in



                 relation to access to sealed records.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay that



                 aside, please.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The bill



                 is laid aside.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 40, by Senator Balboni, Senate Print 518, an



                 act to amend the Civil Rights Law, in relation



                 to confidentiality.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Read the



                 last section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Call the



                 roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 59.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The bill



                 is passed.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 67, by Senator Velella, Senate Print 112, an



                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law, in











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                 relation to reporting of accidents.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Lay it aside,



                 please.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The bill



                 is laid aside.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 72, by Senator Marcellino, Senate Print 776,



                 an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law,



                 in relation to the enforcement.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Read the



                 last section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This



                 act shall take effect on the first day of



                 November.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Call the



                 roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 58.  Nays,



                 1.  Senator Duane recorded in the negative.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The bill



                 is passed.



                            Senator Skelos, that completes the



                 reading of the noncontroversial calendar.



                            SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,



                 if we could go to the controversial reading of











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                 the calendar.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The



                 Secretary will read.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 34, by Senator Wright, Senate Print 688, an



                 act to amend the Tax Law, in relation to



                 authorizing the City of Fulton.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:



                 Explanation.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Wright, an explanation has been requested.



                            SENATOR WRIGHT:    Thank you, Madam



                 President.



                            The bill before us this afternoon



                 was introduced at the request of the City of



                 Fulton, subject to a home-rule message that



                 they have adopted and has been filed with us.



                 It provides for the imposition of an



                 additional sales and compensating use tax



                 beginning the period of March 1, 2003, and



                 ending November 30, 2005.



                            The city currently utilizes a



                 3 percent sales tax.  This would increase it



                 to the 4 percent extension.  This is at the



                 request of the city, to address their











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                 financial needs, having suffered some major



                 losses in their tax rolls and facing



                 continuing increases in municipal costs.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Paterson.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Madam



                 President, I understood that Senator Wright



                 explained to us that there was a home-rule



                 message that accompanied the bill.  The



                 explanation is satisfactory.



                            I suggest we read the last section.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Read the



                 last section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 5.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Call the



                 roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 59.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The bill



                 is passed.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 36, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 327,



                 an act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law, in



                 relation to access to sealed records.











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                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Explanation,



                 please.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 DeFrancisco, an explanation has been



                 requested.



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.  This



                 bill would basically allow for the unsealing



                 of records under extraordinary circumstances,



                 a determination that would have to be made at



                 the discretion of a court, to be able to



                 review those records with respect to



                 disciplinary proceedings in certain



                 professions, including attorneys, doctors,



                 dentists, pharmacists, school district



                 employees, nurses and the like.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Paterson.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Madam



                 President, if the Senator would yield for a



                 question.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 DeFrancisco, would you yield for a question?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.  As



                 long as it's the same question as last year.



                            (Laughter.)











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                            SENATOR PATERSON:    I'm trying to



                 recall that question.



                            (Laughter.)



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    The interests



                 of justice is cited as really the theory of



                 law that permits us at times to seal the



                 records, generally feeling that there is some



                 either lack of competence on the part of the



                 defendant when this case is -- the convicted,



                 or perhaps mental disease or disability, lack



                 of age of majority or something that gives



                 this individual in a sense a second



                 opportunity or would not be befallen too much



                 by the strength of the conviction that's



                 before the court.



                            What I would like to know, Madam



                 President, is if Senator DeFrancisco would



                 explain to us the difference between the



                 interests of justice and the extraordinary



                 circumstances -- specifically, what those



                 extraordinary circumstances are -- that would



                 compel us to want to know what the information



                 was that we'd previously sealed.



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well, if



                 you look at the purposes for the sealing and











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                 the purposes for unsealing, I think it might



                 shed light on that issue.



                            First of all, a criminal standard



                 of proof is a substantially greater standard



                 than a standard that would be with respect to



                 relevant proof in a disciplinary action for a



                 professional.



                            For example, there may not be



                 sufficient proof in a conviction in a child



                 abuse case, and therefore the case is either



                 dismissed or the records are sealed, depending



                 upon the court's determination.  But it may be



                 very relevant in a case of a schoolteacher,



                 whether or not that proof reaches a



                 criminality level, whether it's sufficient



                 enough to provide proof of disciplinary action



                 or suspension in the professional arena.



                            So I think that's basically the



                 difference.  A court would have to determine



                 that the materials that would be unsealed



                 would be extraordinarily important or of



                 extraordinary circumstance that should be



                 known by the disciplinary authority for



                 purposes of licensing.  And I think that's the



                 distinction.











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                            And I know it's opposed by the



                 trial lawyers, and I am one of them.  But the



                 fact of the matter, I think the difference is



                 in standard and the importance of making sure



                 we have professions that can discipline for



                 behavior, though not criminal, are protected.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Paterson.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Madam



                 President, if Senator DeFrancisco would



                 continue to yield.



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The



                 Senator continues to yield.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Then, Senator,



                 if the interests of justice is short of the



                 comparison with the extraordinary



                 circumstances, am I not correct in asserting



                 that the circumstances have to be at that



                 point prejudicial?



                            Because, since there may not have



                 been a conviction, you might have a case



                 where -- let's say it's a child abuse case,



                 it's settled in favor of the defendant, so



                 they sealed the records of that particular











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                 case.



                            Are we suggesting that in an



                 extraordinary circumstance, even though there



                 was not a formal conviction, that there still



                 is information that would be helpful, let's



                 say, if someone were becoming a doctor or one



                 of the other professions, a teacher or



                 something like that?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    There are



                 many criminal cases that are sealed for lack



                 of evidence, or may be sealed because they



                 don't want a child to testify or the



                 information to get out in the public.  But the



                 fact of the matter is that may be relevant to



                 whether someone should continue practicing a



                 specific profession.



                            And what I'm saying is it's two



                 different standards, two different purposes.



                 It's much more serious to have someone



                 convicted of a criminal charge.  That's why



                 there's a much greater burden of proof.



                 However, there's a much lower standard whether



                 someone has the qualifications or the moral



                 standards to practice a profession.



                            And for those reasons, I think











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                 they're entirely consistent.  The reason for



                 the extraordinary circumstances, we don't



                 think every sealed criminal case should be



                 made available to every particular



                 disciplinary authority.  But this at least



                 gives an opportunity in a serious case, in a



                 very important case where there wasn't enough



                 criminal evidence to bear on the person's



                 qualifications to continue in that profession.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Paterson.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    Madam



                 President, I believe that Senator



                 DeFrancisco's bill, as he perceives it, would



                 be one that would address this issue in what



                 he's calling an extraordinary circumstance.



                            What I'm afraid of is what's



                 extraordinary in concept may become in



                 practice something that happens all the time,



                 whereby there's almost a witch-hunt for people



                 who maybe have been involved in different



                 types of cases in their lives, the cases were



                 sealed, they weren't convicted of anything,



                 and yet just the accusation impinges upon



                 their opportunity perhaps to even receive a











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                 job later.



                            So if Senator DeFrancisco would



                 yield for another question.



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The



                 Senator yields.



                            SENATOR PATERSON:    And somewhat



                 of a bifurcated question.



                            I'm interested in an example of



                 what an extraordinary circumstance would be.



                 Moreover, what I'm interested in is where



                 Senator DeFrancisco can assure us that we can



                 hold the threshold of that standard throughout



                 the longevity of this law.



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well, first



                 of all, I keep getting back to a child



                 situation.  There's many cases where cases are



                 dropped, sealed or otherwise, when there's



                 sealed allegations brought by a child, for



                 lack of proof or the child not being willing



                 to come forward or the parents not willing for



                 the child to go forward.



                            Under those circumstances, if it's



                 a profession or a group that happens to have



                 close relationships with kids or deals with











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                 kids all the time, I think that that would



                 qualify as an extraordinary circumstance that



                 the disciplinary committee or the licensing



                 authority might be in a position to want to



                 know that, to review any other circumstances



                 that might have arisen in that background



                 check.



                            There is no way anybody can assure



                 in every case that a standard is going to be



                 applied exactly the way everyone wants it in



                 every case.  That's what judicial discretion



                 is all about.  And the purpose for



                 extraordinary circumstances is to show how



                 high a level that we are holding the judiciary



                 to in making that unsealing of the records.



                            In addition, the person involved



                 has a right to notice that there is an attempt



                 to unseal those records, and that person has



                 the opportunity to be heard before the



                 ultimate determination is made of unsealing.



                            But that's much more preferable, in



                 my mind, to making it a blanket rule that you



                 can never get inside of those records just



                 because they were sealed.  And that's what the



                 Court of Appeals has ruled, based upon the law











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                 as it now reads.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Schneiderman.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Yes, Madam



                 President, if the sponsor would yield to a few



                 questions.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 DeFrancisco, do you yield?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The



                 Senator yields.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you.



                 Through you, Madam President.



                            Is there anything in this proposed



                 legislation that would limit the regulatory



                 body or agency in its use of these materials



                 once they're unsealed?  Is there anything that



                 would prevent the agency from releasing them



                 to the press or the public or otherwise



                 disseminating this sensitive information?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    There



                 should be.  Let me see.



                            Well, I think it's -- by saying



                 that it can be released on this standard of



                 extraordinary circumstances to these











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                 regulatory bodies, I would assume that also



                 means, and I would read it to mean, that



                 that's to whom it should be released, and it's



                 not permitted to be released elsewhere.



                            In fact, the extraordinary



                 circumstances apply to the purpose for the



                 release to these licensing agencies.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you.



                 Through you, Madam President, if the sponsor



                 would continue to yield.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 DeFrancisco, do you continue to yield?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The



                 Senator continues to yield.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    I do



                 believe, though, that -- as I think you're



                 indicating -- there is no language in this



                 legislation which would in any way limit the



                 dissemination of this information by the



                 agency showing the extraordinary circumstances



                 and obtaining it.



                            Is it possible that that would be



                 something that, as you say, should be added or



                 could be added in a subsequent version of this











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                 legislation?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Well, it



                 certainly could be added.



                            But when we were talking about the



                 vehicle being a court order authorizing the



                 release to these various agencies, I would



                 think it's pretty apparent from the language



                 as it exists that you're releasing it to only



                 those agencies.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Through



                 you, Madam President.



                            But I don't think there's any



                 limitation in this law or elsewhere that I'm



                 aware of on those agencies then subsequently



                 releasing it.



                            I mean, there's nothing that says



                 that these agencies, after demonstrating



                 extraordinary circumstances, have to keep it



                 secret, or that they have to provide any other



                 types of protection of the information; is



                 that correct?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    There's no



                 specific words.



                            But if you're talking about a court



                 order releasing it to specifically these











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                 agencies, I would suspect that it's implied in



                 that.



                            It could be clearer, could be made



                 clearer by an A version of the bill, by making



                 it specific, putting specific language in



                 there that says that upon release to these



                 agencies they shall not release it to anyone



                 else.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    And



                 through you, Madam President, if the sponsor



                 would continue to yield.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 DeFrancisco, do you continue to yield?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The



                 Senator continues to yield.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Again, I



                 think I know the answer, but I want to make



                 sure this is clear.  Is there anything in this



                 legislation that would require these agencies



                 to close their hearings relating to this



                 sensitive matter to the public or the press?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    They would



                 be bound by whatever their existing



                 regulations are for each of the agencies.











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                            And I'm not so sure that there's



                 any of these agencies that have public



                 hearings, at least at this point.  I know the



                 chief judge of the Court of Appeals is calling



                 for open hearings with respect to disciplinary



                 actions against judges and attorneys, which I



                 don't particularly subscribe to.  But I don't



                 believe any of these are open to the public



                 during the investigatory stages.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you.



                 Through you, Madam President, if the sponsor



                 will continue to yield.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 DeFrancisco, do you continue to yield?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes, I



                 will.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The



                 Senator yields.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    If there



                 is information, an allegation or an accusation



                 made in a criminal proceeding, defendants have



                 the right to cross-examination, they have a



                 whole series of rights available in criminal



                 proceedings which protect them from false



                 accusations or evidence that perhaps may be











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                 failing in some respect.



                            Is there any requirement in this



                 legislation or elsewhere that the hearings



                 conducted by the agencies that may obtain this



                 information, or partial information, from a



                 court proceeding provide such due process



                 protections as cross-examination, the right to



                 confront a witness, or other things that are



                 provided to a defendant in a criminal



                 proceeding?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    No, there's



                 not a separate proceeding as far as this court



                 order.  It's a court review based upon the



                 information that's presented in the sealed



                 records, upon notice to the person against



                 whom it's going to be used.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Through



                 you, Madam President, I'm referring to the



                 hearing conducted by the regulatory agency,



                 though.



                            If a regulatory agency obtains



                 records of a proceeding in which someone was



                 accused of committing a crime and the



                 prosecutor subsequently determined that the



                 accusation was false, the case was dropped,











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                 that defendant in the criminal proceeding has



                 the right to cross-examination, to call



                 witnesses.



                            Is there anything here that



                 requires the administrative agency obtaining



                 that partial information, that accusation, to



                 provide the same procedural protections to the



                 defendant that it provided under our Criminal



                 Procedure Law?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    No, because



                 this is not a criminal procedure.



                            I don't think any of the regulatory



                 agencies that discipline or determine



                 licensing of professionals require a full



                 trial with opportunity to be heard against



                 every allegation.  They have an opportunity to



                 present their side of the case as to why there



                 are not extraordinary circumstances in this



                 information being released.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you.



                            And through you, Madam President,



                 one final question, if the sponsor will yield.



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The



                 sponsor yields.











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                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Is there



                 any provision in this statute or anywhere else



                 to provide funding or any assistance for



                 someone who is being notified that their



                 records are being sought so that they may



                 protect themselves, as in the criminal



                 proceeding presumably you have a right to



                 counsel if you're indigent?  Is there anything



                 comparable to provide funding for such



                 protections for someone subject to such a



                 proceeding?



                            SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    No, there



                 is no such thing.



                            Once again, this is not a criminal



                 proceeding.  There's no legal requirement or



                 constitutional requirement for counsel to be



                 appointed.



                            It's like any other disciplinary



                 proceeding.  If you're the target of a



                 disciplinary proceeding, you're on your own.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you.



                 Thank you, Madam President.  Thank the



                 sponsor.



                            On the bill.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator











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                 Schneiderman, on the bill.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    I think



                 that this is a well-intentioned piece of



                 legislation that is failing in certain



                 critical respects.  And I think that -- I



                 appreciate the sponsor's candor.  When I asked



                 if there was a provision limiting the use of



                 this information or providing for it to be



                 sealed, I believe his first comment was there



                 should be.



                            Well, I think there should be.  And



                 I think it's something -- that's something



                 that is easily remedied.  I would bring your



                 attention to a report issued in September 2002



                 by the NCSL, their state legislative report,



                 discussing the problem of public dissemination



                 of records that are obtained in these sorts of



                 proceedings, and noting that there are



                 for-profit companies that make it their



                 business to go around and obtain this



                 information and provide it to private firms.



                            Once this information is released



                 publicly, once this information is released to



                 a regulatory body, there is no restriction on



                 its use.  And I don't think this is something











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                 that we should assume or presume.  I think



                 that as it's currently drafted, this is a



                 fatal flaw for this particular piece of



                 legislation.



                            Second of all, the point about due



                 process protections I think is also critical.



                 Under this bill, if someone is accused,



                 wrongfully accused of a crime, the prosecutor



                 decides that the accusation is false, drops



                 the case, this would enable a regulatory body



                 to obtain that information, have that



                 accusation out there, have it released in the



                 press.



                            But the defendant, the acquitted



                 person would not have the ability to



                 cross-examine the witness, because the



                 procedural protections provided in a criminal



                 proceeding are not present, as the sponsor has



                 acknowledged, in these administrative matters.



                            And, finally, I think that the fact



                 that someone is given notice of the fact that



                 there is an effort to unseal their records is



                 nice, but if we don't provide funding for



                 counsel for someone to fight against this,



                 it's really an empty right in many, many











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                 cases.



                            I think that this opens up a lot of



                 dangerous possibilities.  I think the law as



                 drafted, providing that in the interests of



                 justice there can be a determination made not



                 to seal records, is working well, is fine.  I



                 think that unless there are far greater



                 procedural protections provided to the target



                 of such a proceeding, unless there is a



                 provision to require the hearings to be sealed



                 and restricted dissemination of this



                 information, unless there is funding for an



                 accused person to defend themselves, I think



                 this bill has to be rejected.



                            I think that some of these things



                 can be addressed.  I do agree there are some



                 circumstances in which some information should



                 be easier to obtain.  But I have to vote no on



                 this, and encourage my colleagues to vote no,



                 unless these critical issues are resolved.



                            Thank you, Madam President.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Any



                 other Senator wishing to speak on the bill?



                            Read the last section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This











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                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Call the



                 roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Announce



                 the results.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in



                 the negative on Calendar Number 36 are



                 Senators Andrews, Brown, Connor, Dilán, Duane,



                 Hassell-Thompson, L. Krueger, Lachman,



                 Montgomery, Parker, Paterson, Sabini,



                 Schneiderman, A. Smith, M. Smith, and



                 Stavisky.  Ayes, 44.  Nays, 16.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The bill



                 is passed.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



                 67, by Senator Velella, Senate Print 112, an



                 act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law, in



                 relation to reporting of accidents.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:



                 Explanation.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Velella, an explanation has been requested.



                            SENATOR VELELLA:    Yes, Madam



                 President.











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                            This bill provides police officers



                 with the same level of protection as



                 firefighters now enjoy regarding their



                 personal driving records and abstracts.



                            Currently, the Vehicle and Traffic



                 Law mandates that the Commissioner of Motor



                 Vehicles omits accidents from the personal



                 driving abstract of a firefighter who is



                 involved in an accident while responding to an



                 emergency in an emergency vehicle.



                            There's an inherent risk in



                 responding to police emergencies, just as



                 fire, and the same protection ought to be



                 given to police officers.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Schneiderman.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you.



                 Through you, Madam President, if the sponsor



                 will yield for a question.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Velella, will you yield for a question?



                            SENATOR VELELLA:    I thought that



                 explained everything.



                            Okay, yes.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The











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                 Senator yields.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Senator,



                 is there any provision in this law that would



                 restrict the use of any information not in the



                 abstract created by the Commissioner of Motor



                 Vehicles or someone regulated by the



                 Commissioner of Motor Vehicles?



                            SENATOR VELELLA:    Not that I can



                 see, Senator.



                            This speaks to the Department of



                 Motor Vehicles releasing an abstract and only



                 talks about that abstract.  What other



                 materials might be released, I don't know.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    I thank



                 the Senator for his enthusiasm, but I wasn't



                 finished with my question yet.



                            My question is that in this



                 legislation -- in the law as it's currently



                 drafted, violations of the Penal Law or any



                 findings of gross negligence already would



                 be -- the Commissioner cannot omit from a



                 record those findings.  Does this legislation



                 address that issue?



                            SENATOR VELELLA:    It does not.



                 It leaves the law intact as it is.











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                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    So it only



                 relates to acts of ordinary negligence?



                            SENATOR VELELLA:    So that if a



                 police officer were grossly negligent in



                 responding to an emergency call and drove down



                 the sidewalk, irregardless of the fact that



                 there were 40 people there, and crashed into



                 them, that would in my mind be gross



                 negligence.  He would still be responsible,



                 and his record would so reflect.



                            SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you,



                 Madam President.



                            I'd like to thank the sponsor for



                 that thorough venting of the issue.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Any



                 other Senator wishing to speak on the bill?



                            Read the last section.



                            THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This



                 act shall take effect immediately.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Call the



                 roll.



                            (The Secretary called the roll.)



                            THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 60.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    The bill



                 is passed.











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                            Senator Robach, that completes the



                 controversial reading of the calendar.



                            SENATOR ROBACH:    Is there any



                 housekeeping at the desk, Madam President?



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Montgomery.



                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Madam



                 President, I would like unanimous consent to



                 be recorded in the negative on Calendar 72.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Without



                 objection, you will be so recorded.



                            SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Thank you.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    Senator



                 Robach, there is no housekeeping at the desk.



                            SENATOR ROBACH:    Madam President,



                 there being no other business before the



                 Senate, I move that we stand adjourned till



                 Tuesday, February 11th, at 11:30 a.m.



                            ACTING PRESIDENT McGEE:    On



                 motion, the Senate stands adjourned until



                 Tuesday, February 11th, at 11:30 a.m.



                            (Whereupon, at 3:46 p.m., the



                 Senate adjourned.)