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         1                 NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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         4                THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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         9                   ALBANY, NEW YORK

        10                    April 11, 2006

        11                      11:05 a.m.

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        14                    REGULAR SESSION

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        18  LT. GOVERNOR MARY O. DONOHUE, President

        19  STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary

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         1                 P R O C E E D I N G S

         2                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Senate will

         3       please come to order.

         4                  I ask everyone present to please

         5       rise and repeat with me the Pledge of

         6       Allegiance.

         7                  (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

         8       the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

         9                  THE PRESIDENT:    With us this

        10       morning to give the invocation is Reverend

        11       Scott Harris, pastor of Grace Bible Church in

        12       Wappingers Falls, New York.

        13                  REVEREND HARRIS:    Heavenly

        14       Father, our Creator, You in whom we have our

        15       being, in whom we breathe, I come humbly

        16       before You this morning asking Your grace and

        17       mercy on these who serve You in government, on

        18       these men and women whom You have declared to

        19       be Your servants.

        20                  You have entrusted upon them a

        21       great and awesome responsibility in making

        22       decisions that affect not only the lives of

        23       the millions of people in this State of

        24       New York, but those who are touched by the

        25       citizens of this state.  Father, give them


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         1       wisdom to discern truth from error, right from

         2       wrong, that they may uphold justice.

         3                  Your word tells us as well that You

         4       have established government for the purpose of

         5       justice, to revenge upon those who practice

         6       evil.  Your word tells us that they are Your

         7       ministers.

         8                  Father, I'd also ask You to give

         9       them a heart of compassion, to uplift the

        10       downtrodden.  Again, I ask You to give Your

        11       servants the knowledge, the wisdom to make

        12       decisions that are, in all of these areas,

        13       fitting before you, that Your people may live

        14       tranquil and quiet lives before You in all

        15       godliness.

        16                  And then finally, Father, give them

        17       a spirit of cooperation, that they may do what

        18       is fitting before You and best for the people

        19       of this State of New York.

        20                  I ask this in the name of my

        21       savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, for Your sake

        22       and glory.  Amen.

        23                  THE PRESIDENT:    Reading of the

        24       Journal.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,


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         1       Monday, April 10, the Senate met pursuant to

         2       adjournment.  The Journal of Sunday, April 9,

         3       was read and approved.  On motion, Senate

         4       adjourned.

         5                  THE PRESIDENT:    Without

         6       objection, the Journal stands approved as

         7       read.

         8                  Presentation of petitions.

         9                  Messages from the Assembly.

        10                  Messages from the Governor.

        11                  The Secretary will read.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    The Governor

        13       returned without executive approval Line Items

        14       6 through 19 of Senate Bill Number 6450C,

        15       Chapter 50, entitled "An act making

        16       appropriations for the support of government:

        17       Public Protection and General Government

        18       Budget."

        19                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.

        20                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

        21       I move to lay said line items as vetoed by the

        22       Governor upon the table.

        23                  THE PRESIDENT:    So ordered.

        24                  The Secretary will read.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    The Governor


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         1       returned without executive approval Line Items

         2       Number 20 through 21 of Senate Bill Number

         3       6456C, Chapter 56, entitled "An act to amend

         4       the State Finance Law."

         5                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.

         6                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

         7       I move to lay said line items as vetoed by the

         8       Governor upon the table.

         9                  THE PRESIDENT:    So ordered.

        10                  Reports of standing committees.

        11                  The Secretary will read.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Senator Johnson,

        13       from the Committee on Finance, reports the

        14       following nominations.

        15                  As a member of the Metropolitan

        16       Transportation Authority, Andrew M. Saul, of

        17       Katonah.

        18                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Johnson.

        19                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    Move the

        20       nomination.

        21                  THE PRESIDENT:    All in favor of

        22       the nomination please signify by saying aye.

        23                  (Response of "Aye.")

        24                  THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

        25                  (No response.)


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         1                  THE PRESIDENT:    The nominee is

         2       hereby confirmed.

         3                  Congratulations and best wishes.

         4       Andrew M. Saul of Katonah is here, and we wish

         5       you the very best in your new position.

         6                  (Applause.)

         7                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

         8       will continue to read.

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    As a nonvoting

        10       member of the Metropolitan Transportation

        11       Authority, Andrew Albert, of New York City.

        12                  As an alternate nonvoting member of

        13       the Metropolitan Transportation Authority,

        14       James F. Blair, of Ossining.

        15                  As a member of the New York Job

        16       Development Authority, David H. Feinberg,

        17       Esquire, of New York City.

        18                  As a member of the Genesee State

        19       Park, Recreation and Historic Preservation

        20       Commission, Dawn M. Keppler, of Medina.

        21                  As a member of the State Park,

        22       Recreation and Historic Preservation

        23       Commission for the City of New York, Pia

        24       Lindstrom, of New York City.

        25                  As a member of the Passenger


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         1       Tramway Advisory Council, Tom Sanford, of

         2       Ballston Spa.

         3                  As a member of the Board of

         4       Visitors of the Capital District Developmental

         5       Disabilities Services Office, Susan P.

         6       O'Connor, of Delmar.

         7                  And as a member of the Board of

         8       Visitors of the Central New York Developmental

         9       Disabilities Services Office, Mary E.

        10       Patricia, of Oneonta.

        11                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Johnson.

        12                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    Move the

        13       nominations.

        14                  THE PRESIDENT:    All in favor of

        15       the nominees please signify by saying aye.

        16                  (Response of "Aye.")

        17                  THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

        18                  (No response.)

        19                  THE PRESIDENT:    The nominees are

        20       all hereby confirmed.

        21                  The Secretary will read.

        22                  THE SECRETARY:    Senator Johnson,

        23       from the Committee on Finance, reports the

        24       following bills direct to third reading:

        25                  Senate Print 7264A, by the Senate


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         1       Committee on Rules, an act to amend Chapter 50

         2       of the Laws of 2006, enacting the Public

         3       Protection and General Government Budget.

         4                  And Senate Print 7265, by the

         5       Senate Committee on Rules, an act to amend the

         6       Social Services Law.

         7                  THE PRESIDENT:    Without

         8       objection, the bills are all directed to third

         9       reading.

        10                  Reports of select committees.

        11                  Communications and reports from

        12       state officers.

        13                  Motions and resolutions.

        14                  Senator Skelos.

        15                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

        16       I believe there are substitutions at the desk,

        17       if we could make them at this time.

        18                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        19       will read.

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    On page 35,

        21       Senator DeFrancisco moves to discharge from,

        22       the Committee on Codes, Assembly Bill Number

        23       8295 and substitute it for the identical

        24       Senate Bill Number 4842B, Third Reading

        25       Calendar 646.


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         1                  Senator Bruno moves to discharge,

         2       from the Committee on Finance, Assembly Bill

         3       Number 10652A and substitute it for the

         4       identical Senate Bill Number 7264A, Third

         5       Reading Calendar 704.

         6                  And Senator Bruno moves to

         7       discharge, from the Committee on Finance,

         8       Assembly Bill Number 10653 and substitute it

         9       for the identical Senate Bill Number 7265,

        10       Third Reading Calendar 705.

        11                  THE PRESIDENT:    Substitutions

        12       ordered.

        13                  Senator Farley.

        14                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Thank you, Madam

        15       President.

        16                  On behalf of Senator Spano, I wish

        17       to call up his bill Print Number 2898, which

        18       was recalled from the Assembly, and it's now

        19       at the desk.

        20                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        21       will read.

        22                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        23       456, by Senator Spano, Senate Print 2898, an

        24       act to amend the Penal Law.

        25                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Madam President,


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         1       I now move to reconsider the vote by which

         2       this bill was passed.

         3                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

         4       will call the roll upon reconsideration.

         5                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 50.

         7                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Madam President,

         8       I now offer the following amendments.  It's

         9       not on here, but anyway I offer the following

        10       amendments.

        11                  THE PRESIDENT:    The amendments

        12       are received, Senator.

        13                  SENATOR FARLEY:    And I move that

        14       the bill be restored to the Third Reading

        15       Calendar.

        16                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is so

        17       restored to third reading.

        18                  Thank you, Senator Farley.

        19                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Thank you.

        20                  Madam President, on behalf of

        21       Senator Volker, I move to recommit Senate

        22       Print Number 3353A, Calendar Number 295 on the

        23       order of third reading, to the Committee on

        24       Health, with instructions to strike the

        25       enacting clause.


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         1                  THE PRESIDENT:    So ordered,

         2       Senator.

         3                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Thank you.

         4                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.

         5                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Thank you, Madam

         6       President.

         7                  If we could adopt the Resolution

         8       Calendar, with the exception of Resolutions

         9       4510, 4519, and 4569.

        10                  THE PRESIDENT:    All in favor of

        11       so adopting the Resolution Calendar please

        12       signify by saying aye.

        13                  (Response of "Aye.")

        14                  THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

        15                  (No response.)

        16                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Resolution

        17       Calendar is so adopted.

        18                  Senator Skelos.

        19                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

        20       could we have the title read on Resolution

        21       4510, by Senator Marcellino.

        22                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        23       will read.

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

        25       Marcellino, Legislative Resolution Number


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         1       4510, commemorating the 36th Anniversary of

         2       Earth Day on April 22, 2006.

         3                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.

         4                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

         5       could we adopt the resolution and open it up

         6       for cosponsorship.

         7                  THE PRESIDENT:    All in favor of

         8       adopting the resolution signify by saying aye.

         9                  (Response of "Aye.")

        10                  THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

        11                  (No response.)

        12                  THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution is

        13       adopted.

        14                  Any member who does not wish to

        15       cosponsor the last resolution please notify

        16       the desk.

        17                  Senator Skelos.

        18                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

        19       could we take up Resolution 4519, by Senator

        20       Maltese, have the title read, move for its

        21       immediate adoption, and open it up for

        22       cosponsorship.

        23                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        24       will read.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator


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         1       Maltese, Legislative Resolution Number 4519,

         2       memorializing Governor George E. Pataki to

         3       proclaim April 23, 2006, as a Day of

         4       Remembrance for the Polish Martyrs of the

         5       Katyn Forest.

         6                  THE PRESIDENT:    The question is

         7       on the resolution.  All in favor please

         8       signify by saying aye.

         9                  (Response of "Aye.")

        10                  THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

        11                  (No response.)

        12                  THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution is

        13       adopted.

        14                  Any member who does not wish to

        15       cosponsor the last resolution please notify

        16       the desk.

        17                  Senator Skelos.

        18                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Could we take up

        19       resolution 4569, by Senator Maltese, have the

        20       title read and move for its immediate

        21       adoption, and then open it up for

        22       cosponsorship.

        23                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        24       will read.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator


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         1       Maltese, Legislative Resolution Number 4569,

         2       commemorating the 91st Anniversary of the

         3       Armenian Genocide on Friday, April 21, 2006.

         4                  THE PRESIDENT:    The question now

         5       is on the resolution.  All in favor please

         6       signify by saying aye.

         7                  (Response of "Aye.")

         8                  THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

         9                  (No response.)

        10                  THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution is

        11       adopted.

        12                  Any member who does not wish to

        13       cosponsor the last resolution please notify

        14       the desk.

        15                  Senator Skelos.

        16                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

        17       there's a resolution at the desk by Senator

        18       Gonzalez.  If we could have the title read and

        19       move for its immediate adoption.

        20                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        21       will read.

        22                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

        23       Gonzalez, Legislative Resolution Number 4573,

        24       commemorating the 19th Annual Somos El Futuro

        25       Conference, to be held April 28-30, 2006, and


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         1       commending the creative talents of Carla Pinza

         2       as she is honored during the conference.

         3                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.

         4                  SENATOR SKELOS:    If we could

         5       adopt the resolution.

         6                  THE PRESIDENT:    All in favor of

         7       the resolution please signify by saying aye.

         8                  (Response of "Aye.")

         9                  THE PRESIDENT:    Opposed, nay.

        10                  (No response.)

        11                  THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution is

        12       adopted.

        13                  Senator Skelos.

        14                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

        15       if you would recognize Senator Parker.

        16                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Parker.

        17                  SENATOR PARKER:    I believe

        18       there's a resolution at the desk,

        19       Resolution 4471.

        20                  THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution

        21       has already been passed, Senator Parker.

        22       Would you like to speak on the resolution?

        23                  SENATOR PARKER:    Yes, Madam

        24       President, on the resolution.

        25                  THE PRESIDENT:    You may proceed


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         1       on the resolution.

         2                  SENATOR PARKER:    Thank you very

         3       much.

         4                  As many of you know, one of the

         5       only really uniquely art forms to come out of

         6       the United States of America, if you may, is

         7       jazz.  And on Friday, March 31, 2006,

         8       unfortunately we lost one of our great legends

         9       of jazz.  Jazz has been something that's been

        10       integral not just for the African-American

        11       experience but for the American experience

        12       itself.  And that legend is jazz saxophonist

        13       Jackie McLean.  And Jackie McLean, at the age

        14       of 74, was recently lost to us.

        15                  Jackie McLean was born May 17,

        16       1931, the son of a jazz guitarist in Harlem.

        17       He lived down the block from Bud Powell and

        18       Sonny Rollins, two other legends and, you

        19       know, built his craft on playing with those

        20       gentlemen.

        21                  He was somebody who gave a great

        22       deal to jazz and to American culture because

        23       he was able to not just imitate other people's

        24       styles, but he was able to create his own

        25       style, creating what's been known as free


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         1       jazz.

         2                  But he was somebody who understood

         3       where he had come from.  So he had spent time

         4       studying with the great masters of his time,

         5       including Charlie Parker, who he emulated a

         6       great deal.  He played with Miles Davis.  He

         7       played with Art Blakey and the Jazz

         8       Messengers.  Somebody who, in the New York

         9       tristate area, was often seen at places like

        10       the Village Vanguard.

        11                  But he was probably most known for

        12       his work not just as a performer, but also as

        13       a teacher.  He left actually kind of in his

        14       midcareer, in the '70s, to go teach at the

        15       Hartt School of Music at the University of

        16       Hartford.  And there he took a small music

        17       program and built a full degree program in

        18       jazz, where many renowned jazz artists still

        19       go and play and get teaching from.

        20                  We're going to miss Jackie McLean,

        21       not just because of his music and his

        22       performance but what he's done for our young

        23       people and what he's done not just for, again,

        24       African-American culture but what he's

        25       contributed to American culture.


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         1                  Rest well, my fellow traveler on

         2       this journey of life.  And thank you for all

         3       you've given us, not just for your music but

         4       also for your teaching.

         5                  THE PRESIDENT:    The resolution

         6       was previously adopted.

         7                  Senator Skelos.

         8                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

         9       Resolution 3002, by Senator Fuschillo, was

        10       previously adopted.  If we could have it read

        11       in its entirety and then recognize Senator

        12       Fuschillo.

        13                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        14       will read.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

        16       Fuschillo, Legislative Resolution Number 3002,

        17       congratulating the Merrick/North Merrick

        18       Little League 12-year-olds Team upon the

        19       occasion of capturing the 2005 New York State

        20       12-year-olds Little League Baseball

        21       Championship.

        22                  "WHEREAS, Excellence and success in

        23       competitive sports can be achieved only

        24       through strenuous practice, team play and team

        25       spirit, nurtured by dedicated coaching and


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         1       strategic planning; and

         2                  "WHEREAS, Athletic competition

         3       enhances the moral and physical development of

         4       the young people of this state, preparing them

         5       for the future by instilling in them the value

         6       of teamwork, encouraging a standard of healthy

         7       living, imparting a desire for success, and

         8       developing a sense of fair play and

         9       competition; and

        10                  "WHEREAS, the Merrick/North Merrick

        11       Little League 12-year-olds Team are the

        12       District 31 and Long Island 12-year-olds

        13       Little League Baseball Champions.  They

        14       continued their winning streak on August 2,

        15       2005, by defeating East Greenbush by a score

        16       of 10-5 to capture the New York State

        17       Championship; and

        18                  "WHEREAS, The athletic talent

        19       displayed by this team is due in great part to

        20       the efforts of Manager Paul Christopher and

        21       Coaches Dave Marcello, Ed Stalzer, Brooks

        22       Thomas, and Gary Weitzman, skilled and

        23       inspirational tutors respected for their

        24       ability to develop potential into excellence;

        25       and


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         1                  "WHEREAS, The team's overall record

         2       is outstanding, and the team members were

         3       loyally and enthusiastically supported by

         4       family, fans, friends and the community at

         5       large; and

         6                  "WHEREAS, The hallmark of the

         7       Merrick/North Merrick Little League

         8       12-year-olds Team, from the opening game of

         9       the season to participation in the

        10       championship, were a brotherhood of athletic

        11       ability, of good sportsmanship, and of honor,

        12       demonstrating that these team players are

        13       second to none; and

        14                  "WHEREAS, Manager Paul Christopher

        15       and Coaches Dave Marcello, Ed Stalzer, Brooks

        16       Thomas, and Gary Weitzman have done a superb

        17       job in guiding, molding and inspiring the team

        18       members toward their goals; and

        19                  "WHEREAS, Sports competition

        20       instills the values of teamwork, pride and

        21       accomplishment, and Manager Paul Christopher

        22       and Coaches Dave Marcello, Ed Stalzer,

        23       Brooks Thomas, and Gary Weitzman and their

        24       outstanding athletes have clearly made a

        25       contribution to the spirit of excellence which


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         1       is a tradition of their community; now,

         2       therefore, be it

         3                  "RESOLVED, That this Legislative

         4       Body pause in its deliberations to

         5       congratulate the Merrick/North Merrick Little

         6       League 12-year-olds Team, its members -- Joey

         7       Christopher, Justin Fields, Justin Harrison,

         8       Evan Krohn, Nick Marcello, Patrick Murphy,

         9       Josh Nigro, Joey Saladino, Robbie Stalzer,

        10       Jake Thomas, and Ross Weitzman -- Manager Paul

        11       Christopher, and Coaches Dave Marcello,

        12       Ed Stalzer, Brooks Thomas, and Gary Weitzman

        13       upon the occasion of capturing the 2005

        14       New York State 12-year-olds Little League

        15       Baseball Championship; and be it further

        16                  "RESOLVED, That copies of this

        17       resolution, suitably engrossed, be transmitted

        18       to the Merrick/North Merrick Little League

        19       12-year-olds Team, Manager Paul Christopher,

        20       and Coaches Dave Marcello, Ed Stalzer, Brooks

        21       Thomas, and Gary Weitzman."

        22                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

        23       Fuschillo.

        24                  SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Thank you,

        25       Madam President.


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         1                  You know, I feel like this is

         2       deja vu.  Again, two years in a row, we're

         3       honoring the Merrick/North Merrick Little

         4       League team.  Last year, my son was on the

         5       team, and it was a great day.  And I want to

         6       welcome all the kids and their parents here.

         7                  But I want to congratulate them on

         8       their success.  And I don't want to rub it in

         9       that they crushed East Greenbush, Madam

        10       President, to win the state championship.  Not

        11       a good idea.  But, you know, I just had to put

        12       that on the record book.

        13                  But I want to welcome all the kids

        14       and congratulate you on your success.  One of

        15       the managers is here, Brooks Thomas.

        16                  But I want to compliment Paul

        17       Christopher, the manager of the team.  Twelve

        18       months out of the year, when possible, if it's

        19       not raining or snowing, wherever we go in our

        20       community, when we drive by a baseball field,

        21       Paul is on the field.  I don't know if it's

        22       your wife, Jeannie, telling you to get out of

        23       the house, get on the field, but you are

        24       always there.

        25                  And I have to compliment you


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         1       because when I went to the game out in Commack

         2       when they beat East Greenbush and won the

         3       state championship, what I saw was a team full

         4       of kids that understood sportsmanship, they

         5       understood respect for the other players.  And

         6       you've done a great job.

         7                  And I'm going to ask all the kids

         8       to please rise, as my colleagues here in the

         9       Senate salute you on becoming the New York

        10       State champions.  Congratulations, boys.

        11                  (Applause.)

        12                  SENATOR FUSCHILLO:    Madam

        13       President, I do want to just note that two

        14       years ago East Greenbush did defeat this team.

        15       So, you know, this was a sweet victory last

        16       summer.

        17                  THE PRESIDENT:    Thank you,

        18       Senator.  I was just about to mention that,

        19       but better that you say it than I do.

        20                  (Laughter.)

        21                  THE PRESIDENT:    And you know, in

        22       everything in life, including in sports, it's

        23       important to be a gracious loser.  So in that

        24       mode, I was happy to meet you earlier today

        25       and to have my picture taken with you.


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         1                  Baseball is my son Justin's

         2       favorite sport.  He played Little League and

         3       now plays varsity baseball.  And I'm sure you

         4       guys are going to go on to great things, as

         5       evidenced by your successes already.

         6                  Congratulations and best wishes for

         7       continued success.

         8                  (Applause.)

         9                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Skelos.

        10                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Madam President,

        11       if we could take up the noncontroversial

        12       reading of the calendar.

        13                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        14       will read.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        16       631, by Senator Balboni, Senate Print 3174, an

        17       act to amend the General Business Law, in

        18       relation to itinerant vendors.

        19                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

        20       section.

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        22       act shall take effect immediately.

        23                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

        24                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.  Nays,


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         1       1.  Senator Maltese recorded in the negative.

         2                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

         3       passed.

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         5       630, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 2726A, an

         6       act to amend the General Business Law, in

         7       relation to the sale of laser pointing

         8       devices.

         9                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

        10       section.

        11                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 5.  This

        12       act shall take effect on the first of

        13       September.

        14                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

        15                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        16                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

        17                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

        18       passed.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        20       633, by Senator Flanagan, Senate Print 4987A,

        21       an act to amend the General Business Law, in

        22       relation to prohibiting the sale.

        23                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

        24       section.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This


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         1       act shall take effect on the 60th day.

         2                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

         3                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         4                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Duane, to

         5       explain your vote.

         6                  SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you, Madam

         7       President.

         8                  This bill would ban the sale of

         9       salvia divinorum, which is a powerful

        10       hallucinogenic, and that's a good idea.  But

        11       people who use such a product, I'm guessing,

        12       probably have a drug addiction.  And I'm

        13       guessing that children who live with such a

        14       person live in a scary and chaotic household.

        15                  Let me give you an example of

        16       someone using salvia divinorum.  Brett

        17       Chidester committed suicide -- he was 17 years

        18       old, he lived in Wilmington, Delaware -- and

        19       his family blames the drug.  Brett was a

        20       straight A student who ranked top in his state

        21       in Spanish and was making plans for college

        22       and to buy his girlfriend roses for

        23       Valentine's Day.

        24                  On January 23rd, he put a charcoal

        25       grill inside a tent in his father's garage,


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         1       lit the grill, and crawled inside the tent.  A

         2       suicide note described revelations that echo

         3       descriptions of salvia experiences posted by

         4       users to various salvia-related websites.

         5                  "How can I go on living after I

         6       learn the secrets of life?" he wrote.  "It

         7       took me 17 years, but I finally figured it

         8       out.  I can't tell you that here, because that

         9       kind of information can cause chaos."

        10       Obviously some delusions there.

        11                  His mother, Kathleen Chidester,

        12       says her son bought salvia on a website.  His

        13       father, Dennis, says police took salvia from

        14       his room.  Kathleen says she believes Brett

        15       was depressed and used salvia because it was

        16       legal.  His suicide note left no doubt in her

        17       mind that salvia had something to do with his

        18       death.

        19                  You know, it's obvious that Brett

        20       was using this drug and had a mental illness

        21       or that the drug created a mental illness.

        22       This drug manifests very dangerous and harmful

        23       behaviors, and they led to his suicide.  He

        24       obviously needed mental health treatment, and

        25       obviously the people living in his household


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         1       now need mental health services as well.

         2                  But if he lived in New York State,

         3       he wouldn't be able to get the mental health

         4       and chemical addiction treatment that he

         5       needed.

         6                  And here we are, this is the end of

         7       another week in Albany, and the Senate has not

         8       yet passed Timothy's Law.  We're going away

         9       for the holidays, and we're leaving this

        10       important bill behind.  I don't understand why

        11       we don't pass this law.  We need to pass

        12       Timothy's Law this session.

        13                  I vote yes, Madam President.

        14                  THE PRESIDENT:    You will be so

        15       recorded as voting in the affirmative.

        16                  The Secretary will announce the

        17       results.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        19                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

        20       passed.

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        22       639, by Senator Saland, Senate Print 465, an

        23       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

        24       custodial interference.

        25                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last


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         1       section.

         2                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

         3       act shall take effect on the first of

         4       November.

         5                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

         6                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

         8                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

         9       passed.

        10                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        11       640, by Senator Saland, Senate Print 466, an

        12       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

        13       establishing.

        14                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

        15       section.

        16                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        17       act shall take effect on the first of

        18       November.

        19                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

        20                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.  Nays,

        22       1.  Senator Montgomery recorded in the

        23       negative.

        24                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

        25       passed.


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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         2       642, by Senator Padavan, Senate Print 544A, an

         3       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

         4       possession.

         5                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

         6       section.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 5.  This

         8       act shall take effect on the first of

         9       November.

        10                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

        11                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        13                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

        14       passed.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        16       644, by Senator Winner, Senate Print 1428, an

        17       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to the

        18       imposition.

        19                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Lay it

        20       aside.

        21                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

        22       aside.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        24       645, by Senator Spano, Senate Print 3743D, an

        25       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to the


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         1       criminal sale.

         2                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

         3       section.

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

         5       act shall take effect on the first of

         6       November.

         7                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

         8                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        10                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

        11       passed.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        13       646, substituted earlier by Member of the

        14       Assembly Weinstein, Assembly Print Number

        15       8295, an act to amend the Civil Practice Law

        16       and Rules.

        17                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

        18       section.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        20       act shall take effect immediately.

        21                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

        22                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        24                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

        25       passed.


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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         2       654, by Senator Trunzo, Senate Print 423, an

         3       act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law, in

         4       relation to speeding.

         5                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

         6       section.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         8       act shall take effect on the 180th day.

         9                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

        10                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        11                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.  Nays,

        12       1.  Senator Duane recorded in the negative.

        13                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

        14       passed.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        16       655, by Senator Trunzo, Senate Print 424A, an

        17       act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law, in

        18       relation to form of number plates.

        19                  THE PRESIDENT:    Read the last

        20       section.

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        22       act shall take effect immediately.

        23                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

        24                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.


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         1                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

         2       passed.

         3                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         4       657, by Senator Padavan, Senate Print 1043, an

         5       act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law and

         6       the Administrative Code of the City of New

         7       York.

         8                  THE PRESIDENT:    There is a local

         9       fiscal impact note at the desk.

        10                  Read the last section.

        11                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

        12       act shall take effect immediately.

        13                  THE PRESIDENT:    Call the roll.

        14                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        16                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is

        17       passed.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        19       704, substituted earlier today by the Assembly

        20       Committee on Rules --

        21                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Lay it

        22       aside.

        23                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

        24       aside.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number


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         1       705, substituted earlier today by the Assembly

         2       Committee on Rules, Assembly Print Number

         3       10653 --

         4                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Lay it

         5       aside.

         6                  THE PRESIDENT:    The bill is laid

         7       aside.

         8                  Senator Skelos, that completes the

         9       reading of the noncontroversial calendar.

        10                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Thank you, Madam

        11       President.  If we could go to the

        12       controversial reading of the calendar.

        13                  THE PRESIDENT:    The Secretary

        14       will ring the bell.

        15                  The Secretary will read.

        16                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        17       644, by Senator Winner, Senate Print 1428, an

        18       act to amend the Penal Law.

        19                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:

        20       Explanation.

        21                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Winner,

        22       an explanation has been requested.

        23                  SENATOR WINNER:    Thank you, Madam

        24       President.

        25                  This is a very simple measure that


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         1       amends a section of the Penal Law that would

         2       require or authorize the suspension of a motor

         3       vehicle operator's license for an individual

         4       who has failed to provide a fine for the

         5       unlawful possession of marijuana.

         6                  This measure is thought necessary

         7       by the Magistrates Association and other

         8       judges who believe that due to the fact that

         9       there is no jailable offense for a violation

        10       of the underlying Penal Law, there is no

        11       sanction available to compel from a defendant

        12       the payment of the fine, and therefore these

        13       fines are often ignored.

        14                  More importantly, Madam President,

        15       any opportunity to compel that individual

        16       defendant into substance abuse treatment and

        17       the like is thwarted by the inability of the

        18       court to have any supervision over that

        19       defendant, because they cannot compel his

        20       performance with the sanctions of the court.

        21                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator

        22       Schneiderman.

        23                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Very

        24       briefly on the bill, Madam President.

        25                  Quite a few of us have opposed this


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         1       measure, although sympathetic to the concern

         2       about the difficulty collecting fines.  Quite

         3       frankly, this seems to be a situation where

         4       we're cutting off our nose to spite our face.

         5       If you take away someone's driver's license,

         6       they can't get to a job to pay the fine, they

         7       can't get to substance abuse treatment even if

         8       they're in substance abuse treatment.

         9                  So as Senator DeFrancisco noted in

        10       a previous debate, there's got to be another

        11       remedy.  There just is no coherent nexus

        12       between your driver's license and your failure

        13       to pay a marijuana fine.  And in fact, taking

        14       away someone's driver's license penalizes the

        15       family, makes it harder for people to work,

        16       and really is not a way to move the process

        17       forward of trying to collect fines.

        18                  So with that problem still hanging

        19       out there, I will be once again voting no.

        20       Thank you.

        21                  SENATOR WINNER:    Madam President.

        22                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Winner.

        23                  SENATOR WINNER:    Will Senator

        24       Schneiderman yield for a question?

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         1       Schneiderman, will you yield for a question?

         2                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Yes.

         3                  SENATOR WINNER:    Senator, do you

         4       believe that someone ought to pay a fine

         5       that's imposed by a court for violation of a

         6       section of the Penal Law?

         7                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    I believe

         8       people should pay fines.

         9                  I believe that we passed statutes

        10       saying you should collect sales tax on Indian

        11       reservations; that law should be followed.  I

        12       believe that when the Legislature passes laws

        13       or overrides a veto, that the executive branch

        14       should follow the law.  So there are a lot of

        15       things I believe in that other people don't

        16       believe in, but I certainly believe you should

        17       pay a fine.

        18                  My point is that this, I believe,

        19       as a practical matter, will make it less

        20       likely that someone will be able to pay a fine

        21       and will penalize the person's family also.  I

        22       think there's got to be a more creative

        23       approach to this than taking away a driver's

        24       license.

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         1       also believe in the three examples that you

         2       brought up as well.

         3                  But my problem here is that the

         4       Magistrates Association and others have

         5       indicated that this is a widespread problem

         6       whereby these fines are repeatedly ignored.

         7       And therefore, I believe that sanctions

         8       imposed by a court under the appropriate

         9       circumstances should be adhered to by those

        10       individuals.

        11                  And I'm hopeful that maybe you have

        12       a suggestion as to how we can get those

        13       determinations and orders by the court to be

        14       adhered to.  In particular, I wonder what your

        15       response is to the suggestion by the

        16       Magistrates Association that many of those

        17       individuals really need the sanction of the

        18       court to ensure that they have substance abuse

        19       treatment.

        20                  And also, with regard to driver's

        21       licenses, that's a particularly treasured

        22       piece of right that the individual possesses.

        23       And I believe that with that in jeopardy,

        24       there will be more of an opportunity to have

        25       that individual adhere to that order of the


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         1       court.

         2                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Well, I

         3       don't think anyone here has any question that

         4       there's a problem getting people to pay fines

         5       in this and other areas.

         6                  The point that I think some of us

         7       have tried to make on both sides of the

         8       aisle -- and the reason this bill has no

         9       support, I don't think, in the Assembly -- is

        10       that this is a not a practical solution to the

        11       problem.  This is not going to make it more

        12       likely that people will get substance abuse

        13       treatment, will be able to continue in their

        14       jobs.

        15                  We're not just looking at this in

        16       some abstract sense.  I mean, you can cut off

        17       people's hands also.  That's not a practical

        18       solution.  Taking away a driver's license is

        19       not the way to get someone who has a substance

        20       abuse problem back on the track to being a

        21       productive member of our state, taking care of

        22       their family, going to their job, going to

        23       substance abuse treatment.

        24                  You know, we favor more access to

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         1       speaking about the need for us to pass a law

         2       to guarantee that people have help with any

         3       mental health problems that they might

         4       encounter.

         5                  Our objection is simply practical

         6       here.  This is not the way to address a

         7       problem which we all agree exists.  We're

         8       sympathetic to the problem of collecting the

         9       fines.  It's not limited to this particular

        10       type of offense.  We have problems collecting

        11       fines, child support, a lot of things.

        12                  There are different approaches.

        13       This one, taking away a driver's license,

        14       simply is not a practical solution to the

        15       problem, in our view, and that's why I'm

        16       voting no.  But certainly not for any lack of

        17       sympathy with the problem.

        18                  SENATOR WINNER:    Senator, I think

        19       my specific question is:  What sanction do you

        20       feel would be appropriate under these

        21       circumstances?  I don't think that you're

        22       probably suggesting that we have the

        23       opportunity to jail these individuals.

        24                  And also, with regard to driver's

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         1       people who don't pay their child support.  I

         2       wonder whether or not you feel that having

         3       them taken away under those circumstances is

         4       creating too much of a hardship for those

         5       individuals.

         6                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    I think --

         7       I mean, I'm happy to have this discussion.

         8       This is the kind of discussion we should have

         9       in committee if we had such discussions in

        10       committee.  And I'd be happy to talk to the

        11       sponsor about it.

        12                  I do not think that taking away

        13       driver's licenses is a very effective way to

        14       compel compliance with the law.  And in fact,

        15       I think it does penalize family members under

        16       a variety of circumstances.

        17                  So I don't think that getting

        18       people out of the system -- and this also

        19       comes up in the context of the rights of

        20       undocumented immigrants.  We want everyone to

        21       have a driver's license, to be in the system,

        22       to be able to get to and from work or to

        23       substance abuse treatment.  If someone has a

        24       substance abuse problem, let the judge order

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         1       understand that this is a difficult problem,

         2       but this is not a practical solution.  I would

         3       suggest --

         4                  SENATOR WINNER:    Senator, I don't

         5       think it's --

         6                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    If I could

         7       just finish, I would suggest that rather than

         8       take everyone's time on a spring day, we

         9       should recommit this bill to Codes and

        10       continue the discussion there under the

        11       auspices of the great arbiter of criminal

        12       justice remedies, Senator Volker.

        13                  But with that, you know, I'm happy

        14       to engage in further discussion outside the

        15       chamber today.  I'm just not sure how much

        16       we're advancing the debate, since this is not

        17       going to pass the Assembly and we do have some

        18       more pressing matters to take up this

        19       afternoon.

        20                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Winner,

        21       do you want to ask Senator Schneiderman to

        22       yield again, or you're all finished?

        23                  SENATOR WINNER:    No, I'm very

        24       confident that we'll be moving forward in a

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         1       Schneiderman wishes to lead us.  Thank you.

         2                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Stavisky,

         3       I believe, wanted to speak.

         4                  SENATOR STAVISKY:    If the sponsor

         5       would yield for, really, one question which

         6       has been partially answered.

         7                  SENATOR WINNER:    Certainly.

         8                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Winner

         9       does yield.

        10                  SENATOR STAVISKY:    I have voted

        11       for this in the past.

        12                  You mentioned child support as

        13       being one of the conditions for -- or lack of

        14       payment of child support as one of the

        15       conditions for taking away the driver's

        16       license.  Are there any other circumstances

        17       under which -- any other crimes under which

        18       this would apply?  In other words, are there

        19       any other situations --

        20                  SENATOR WINNER:    Well, there's

        21       certainly violations of the motor vehicle law

        22       regarding losing driver's licenses.

        23                  SENATOR STAVISKY:    Aside from

        24       those.

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         1       are other ones, I'm not familiar with them

         2       right now.

         3                  SENATOR STAVISKY:    Oh, okay.

         4       Thank you.

         5                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Connor.

         6                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Thank you, Madam

         7       President.

         8                  While I certainly have concerns

         9       about imposing penalties that are unrelated to

        10       the actual wrong that a person has committed,

        11       whether it's not paying a fine or whatever, it

        12       seems to me we have done that in the past.

        13       And the perfect example is child support

        14       enforcement, which I supported that

        15       legislation which resulted in, you know, if

        16       someone violates an order for child support,

        17       you lose your driver's license.

        18                  Certainly in this instance, you

        19       know, I've heard a discussion among my

        20       colleagues here talking about the need for we

        21       want to get somebody in substance abuse

        22       programs and so on.  If that be the case, if

        23       the person has a serious substance abuse

        24       problem, I can actually see more relationship

        25       between that and their driving privilege than


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         1       in other instances.  Because, you know, there

         2       is -- if the person is not paying their fine,

         3       not complying with court orders for treatment,

         4       there is a possibility that they could

         5       actually do harm driving a motor vehicle until

         6       they are treated.

         7                  So I'm not quite so offended by

         8       this bill, since we've gone down that road

         9       before.  I suspect that when someone gets a

        10       notice that their license is being revoked, it

        11       will be kind of a wake-up call to get in there

        12       and pay the fine and do something about it.

        13       And, you know, you can't exist without either

        14       a driver's license or an ID from Motor

        15       Vehicles these days.  It's -- you know, we've

        16       had those debates about ID, identification.

        17                  So I'm going to vote for this,

        18       because it seems to me I think to some good

        19       effect we've used this penalty in the past for

        20       those who are in violation or not paying child

        21       support.  So the fact is on the books, and I

        22       think all of us supported it, is this penalty

        23       is used of revoking a driver's license in the

        24       case of child support.  So I don't see what's

        25       wrong with this bill either.


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         1                  Thank you.

         2                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Diaz.

         3                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Thank you, Madam

         4       President.  Would the sponsor yield for one or

         5       two questions, please.

         6                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Winner,

         7       do you yield for a question?

         8                  SENATOR WINNER:    Yes, Madam

         9       President.

        10                  THE PRESIDENT:    You may proceed,

        11       Senator.

        12                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Senator, I'm

        13       reading the bill.  It says the bill provides

        14       for the suspension of a driver's license of a

        15       person convicted of unlawful possession of

        16       marijuana who fails to pay a fine imposed by

        17       the court.

        18                  Would this apply also for those

        19       that are convicted and fail to pay the fine

        20       for possession of heroin?

        21                  SENATOR WINNER:    Senator, this is

        22       specifically for the marijuana statute.  It

        23       wouldn't be applicable for heroin, because a

        24       heroin possession --

        25                  SENATOR DIAZ:    So the answer is


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         1       no?

         2                  SENATOR WINNER:    Allow me to

         3       answer, Senator.

         4                  A violation for a possession of

         5       heroin statute inherently authorizes the court

         6       to impose a jail sentence.  The difference

         7       between this section and the heroin possession

         8       section is that there's no jail authorized by

         9       the court -- or authorized by the statute to

        10       be imposed upon that defendant.  So under

        11       those circumstances, it's an entirely

        12       different circumstance.

        13                  The court is saying right now that

        14       because it is not a jailable offense, a

        15       fine -- the failure to pay the fine carries no

        16       sanction, and therefore it can be readily

        17       ignored.

        18                  SENATOR DIAZ:    So through you,

        19       Madam President, would he still -- would the

        20       good Senator still yield for me.

        21                  THE PRESIDENT:    Would the Senator

        22       yield for another question, Senator Winner?

        23                  SENATOR WINNER:    Yes, Madam

        24       President.

        25                  THE PRESIDENT:    He yields,


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         1       Senator.

         2                  SENATOR DIAZ:    So you're telling

         3       me that there is no way, no how, that a person

         4       that is found in possession of heroin would

         5       ever be fined?  He or she will always be put

         6       in prison?  No one would be fined?

         7                  SENATOR WINNER:    Senator, I

         8       indicated, I believe, in my response that a

         9       person who is sentenced to a fine for the

        10       possession of heroin has another sanction

        11       available to him if in fact he fails to pay

        12       that fine, and that is jail.

        13                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Time out.

        14                  My question -- this bill applies to

        15       a person that is found guilty of possession of

        16       marijuana and fails to pay the fine.  My

        17       question, a simple question, if a person is

        18       found guilty of possession of heroin and is

        19       fined and he or she fails to pay the fine,

        20       would this apply to them?

        21                  SENATOR WINNER:    No, it would

        22       not, Senator.

        23                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Would the sponsor

        24       continue to yield.

        25                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Winner,


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         1       will you yield for another question?

         2                  SENATOR WINNER:    Yes, Madam

         3       President.

         4                  THE PRESIDENT:    You may proceed,

         5       Senator Diaz.

         6                  SENATOR DIAZ:    If a person, he or

         7       she is found guilty of the possession of crack

         8       and she or he fails to pay that fine, would

         9       this apply to them?

        10                  SENATOR WINNER:    Senator, the

        11       whole purpose, again, of this statute is to

        12       authorize a sanction in the event that you

        13       have a fine imposed for violation of a

        14       marijuana possession statute.

        15                  In those instances that you've

        16       cited, there is another sanction available in

        17       the event that you've failed to pay the fine.

        18       And that is the court can put you in jail.

        19                  In this statute, if you don't pay

        20       the fine for marijuana, the court can't do

        21       anything to you.  And that is why the

        22       Magistrates Association members have written

        23       me in a number of correspondence to ask me to

        24       put this bill in so that they can have the

        25       ability to have a sanction for failure to


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         1       comply with their court order.  It's a very

         2       simple statute.

         3                  SENATOR DIAZ:    And I must --

         4                  SENATOR WINNER:    But it has

         5       nothing to do with crack, it has nothing to do

         6       with heroin, it has nothing to do with

         7       anything other than a marijuana offense under

         8       the Penal Law.

         9                  SENATOR DIAZ:    I'm just playing

        10       Columbo here.

        11                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Diaz, do

        12       you wish to proceed on the bill?

        13                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Through you, Madam

        14       President, would the sponsor continue to

        15       yield.

        16                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Winner,

        17       do you yield for another question?

        18                  SENATOR WINNER:    Yes, Madam

        19       President.

        20                  THE PRESIDENT:    You may proceed

        21       with a question, Senator Diaz.

        22                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Okay.  If a person

        23       is found guilty and fails to pay the fine for

        24       marijuana possession, would that person become

        25       a fugitive of the law or not?


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         1                  SENATOR WINNER:    Senator, again,

         2       for the sake of repetition, if in fact they

         3       don't pay the fine, there's nothing that they

         4       can do to him.

         5                  Except maybe if he had another

         6       violation of the same statute and you went

         7       before that same judge the second time, he

         8       might say:  You know, I remember you from the

         9       last time you were in here, and you didn't pay

        10       my fine, so therefore maybe I'm going to get

        11       even with you under those circumstances.

        12                  But the statute does not authorize

        13       any type of a sanction whatsoever for failure

        14       to pay the fine.

        15                  SENATOR DIAZ:    So one last

        16       question.

        17                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Winner,

        18       will you yield for one last question?

        19                  SENATOR WINNER:    Madam President,

        20       I will yield for one last question.

        21                  THE PRESIDENT:    He does yield.

        22                  SENATOR DIAZ:    So anyone that is

        23       listening to us could go and sell marijuana

        24       and could expect that if they're found guilty

        25       and they don't pay the fine, nothing will


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         1       happen to them?

         2                  SENATOR WINNER:    Senator, did you

         3       say "sell marijuana" or did you say "possess

         4       marijuana"?

         5                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Possession of

         6       marijuana.  Nothing happens to them if they

         7       are found guilty and they are fined by the

         8       court and they fail to pay the fine, nothing

         9       happens to them?

        10                  SENATOR WINNER:    For the small

        11       amount that constitutes a violation for which

        12       the underlying statute does not call for

        13       imprisonment or any jail time, yes, you are

        14       correct, nothing can happen to them.

        15                  Thank you, Senator.

        16                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Nothing can happen

        17       to them.

        18                  Okay, thank you, Madam President.

        19                  THE PRESIDENT:    Does any other

        20       member wish to be heard?

        21                  Senator Krueger.

        22                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    Thank you,

        23       Madam President.  Briefly on the bill.

        24                  So I listened to the debate, and I

        25       was reading through the penal code sentencing


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         1       charts.  And there's endless numbers of

         2       misdemeanors that involve fines.  So I

         3       empathize with my colleague's frustration

         4       that -- what happens if you don't pay your

         5       fine.  And I would assume that those

         6       frustrations must be out there across the

         7       board on many, many different issues in the

         8       state.

         9                  And there was a question raised, I

        10       believe by Senator Winner in a dialogue, about

        11       what could we do instead of taking people's

        12       driver's license.  Because I share my

        13       colleague Senator Schneiderman's concern that

        14       taking someone's driver's license,

        15       particularly outside the city of New York,

        16       decreases their ability to get to work to get

        17       the wages to continue to pay things, including

        18       their fines.

        19                  So in answer to the question what

        20       else could we do, I might simply suggest to

        21       the sponsor that we could use the powers of

        22       the Legislature to garnish wages or to

        23       intercept tax refunds and credits, which would

        24       get the money to the courts but would not put

        25       us in a situation where we're establishing a


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         1       precedent of selecting specific misdemeanor

         2       fines and going after driver's licenses.

         3                  Which in this case the driver's

         4       license has no correlation to the crime, but

         5       again would address the question perhaps of

         6       your magistrates in Steuben County and perhaps

         7       in other counties that they should be able to

         8       draw down this money.

         9                  Certainly garnishment of wages and

        10       interception of tax refunds is used by the

        11       State of New York in many different

        12       circumstances.  So I suppose I'd propose this

        13       as an alternative remedy to the dilemma,

        14       because, again, this proposal doesn't seem to

        15       be moving forward in the other house.

        16                  And even though I did vote for this

        17       bill last year, having heard the discussion

        18       and realizing what I think is the flaw in

        19       taking someone's ability to get to work and

        20       earn an income away from them because they

        21       failed to pay a fine, that I think garnishment

        22       and interception of tax credits and refunds

        23       might be a better model to address the

        24       problem.  So I'll be voting no this year.

        25                  Thank you, Madam President.


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         1                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Connor.

         2                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Thank you, Madam

         3       President.

         4                  You know, once upon a time, 1975, I

         5       believe it was, '76, a historic moment took

         6       place in this chamber.  A bill passed by one

         7       vote.  The late Senator Abe Bernstein -- I see

         8       some of my colleagues who were -- was

         9       brought -- I wasn't here -- was brought in,

        10       literally, had had an amputation and was

        11       brought from the hospital in here to cast the

        12       deciding vote.

        13                  The vote was to decriminalize the

        14       possession of small amounts of marijuana; in

        15       street lingo, a joint or two.  Now I'm hearing

        16       a debate that's confusing everything, and it's

        17       upsetting, because this was historic.

        18       New York passed historic legislation.  This

        19       was a much more conservative body then, it was

        20       much more conservative times, yet that passed.

        21       And it passed at a time when, through the late

        22       '60s and early '70s, a lot of youth were being

        23       stigmatized for precisely that.

        24                  So when I hear a colleague talk

        25       about misdemeanors and crimes, it is not a


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         1       crime, it is not a misdemeanor.  A misdemeanor

         2       is a crime.  Possession of small amounts of

         3       marijuana is not a crime, it is what is known

         4       as a violation.

         5                  Violations are very minor things.

         6       They do not result in a criminal conviction.

         7       They are not a crime.  You can answer the

         8       question, when you apply for a job, "Have you

         9       ever been convicted of a crime?"  The answer

        10       is no.  "Have you ever been arrested for a

        11       crime?"  The answer is no.

        12                  It's why a kid with a joint today

        13       gets a desk appearance ticket.  It's like

        14       getting a ticket for parking.  It is not a

        15       crime.  So to say the other penalties for the

        16       other misdemeanors we should use here -- it's

        17       not a misdemeanor.  The other misdemeanors are

        18       crimes.

        19                  And, Madam President, that was an

        20       important change in the law.  I understand

        21       what Senator Winner is doing now.  It's so

        22       took the stigma out of it that there's no way

        23       to even enforce a $50 or $100 fine.

        24                  So I'm supporting this legislation,

        25       but I'd just like the record to be straight.


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         1       Anything you read in the Penal Law about

         2       misdemeanors has no application here.

         3                  Thank you, Madam President.

         4                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Diaz.

         5                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Thank you, Madam

         6       President.  Would -- Madam -- Madam President,

         7       through you.

         8                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Diaz, you

         9       have the floor.

        10                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Yeah, through you,

        11       will Senator Connor yield for a question.

        12                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Connor,

        13       will you yield for a question?

        14                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Certainly.

        15                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Senator Connor,

        16       Senator Winner just said -- and we all heard,

        17       and you also said it now -- that it is a small

        18       quantity of possession of marijuana.  And that

        19       is not a crime, according to you.

        20                  SENATOR CONNOR:    It is not a

        21       crime.  According to the law, Senator.

        22                  SENATOR DIAZ:    It is not a crime?

        23                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Nope.

        24                  SENATOR DIAZ:    So if it is not a

        25       crime, and the court and the law will do


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         1       nothing to anyone that doesn't pay the fine,

         2       why do you want to take the license away?

         3                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Senator --

         4                  SENATOR DIAZ:    I'm surprised you

         5       voted for this.  Thank you.

         6                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Senator, I'll

         7       give you another example.  Parking ticket.

         8       It's not a crime.  A parking ticket in the

         9       City of New York is not a crime.

        10                  It can cost you -- a $100, $125

        11       fine.  If you don't pay a parking ticket in

        12       New York City, you can't be put in jail for

        13       that.  You haven't committed a crime.  But

        14       they will collect that fine.  And how do they

        15       do that?  Oh, they suspend your motor vehicle

        16       registration if you don't pay it over time.  I

        17       mean, they can do other things, too, like come

        18       and find your car and tow it away and keep it.

        19                  So the idea that you in effect put

        20       people on notice who haven't paid the fine

        21       doesn't offend me.  I know it's going to

        22       happen.  If you don't pay the $50 fine for

        23       having a joint and you get a notice in the

        24       jail saying your license is going to be

        25       suspended, you're going to go pay the $50


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         1       fine.  That will be the end of it.  Nobody can

         2       put you in jail, nobody can put handcuffs on

         3       you.

         4                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Madam President,

         5       through you --

         6                  THE PRESIDENT:    You have already

         7       spoken twice on this bill, Senator Diaz.

         8                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Senator

         9       Diaz can ask a question.  Senator Connor still

        10       has the floor.

        11                  Oh, I'm sorry, Senator Diaz still

        12       has the floor because Senator Connor was

        13       questioning him.

        14                  SENATOR DIAZ:    I'm waiting.

        15                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Madam President,

        16       Senator Diaz still has the floor, I believe.

        17                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Diaz.

        18                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Okay, thank you,

        19       Madam President.

        20                  Through you, Madam President, will

        21       Senator Connor yield for another question.

        22                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Connor,

        23       do you yield for a question?

        24                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Yes, Madam

        25       President, gladly.


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         1                  THE PRESIDENT:    You may proceed

         2       with a question, Senator Diaz.

         3                  SENATOR DIAZ:    If a person fails

         4       to pay a parking ticket in New York City,

         5       would they suspend their license?

         6                  SENATOR CONNOR:    They can.  They

         7       usually suspend --

         8                  SENATOR DIAZ:    No, no, no, I'm

         9       not asking if they can or not.  Will they

        10       suspend the license?

        11                  SENATOR CONNOR:    No, they suspend

        12       the registration of the motor vehicle and they

        13       lose their motor vehicle insurance.

        14                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Would they suspend

        15       their license --

        16                  SENATOR CONNOR:    And if they

        17       drive the car, then they lose their license.

        18                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Will you please

        19       restrict yourself to answer my question.

        20                  Would they suspend that license,

        21       yes or no?

        22                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Well, I'm sorry,

        23       Madam President, I'm entitled to answer a

        24       question on the floor in any way I choose.

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         1       answer yes or no.  And I'm certainly not a

         2       hostile witness to Senator Diaz.

         3                  (Laughter.)

         4                  SENATOR CONNOR:    In fact, we're

         5       very good friends, Madam President.

         6                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Oh, and getting

         7       better.

         8                  SENATOR CONNOR:    So let me answer

         9       it my way.

        10                  And my way is they will suspend

        11       your motor vehicle registration.  They will

        12       suspend, therefore, your motor vehicle

        13       insurance.  And if you don't address that, you

        14       will eventually get a notice saying your

        15       driver's license is suspended because you

        16       don't have insurance on the unregistered

        17       vehicle that you have.

        18                  So yes, parking tickets in New York

        19       City can ultimately lead to the loss of a

        20       driver's license.  They are not crimes.

        21       That's the ultimate step.  Usually they've

        22       towed your car away first, or they've seized

        23       your bank account.  And they do a lot of other

        24       nasty things.  But they get those fines paid.

        25       Even though the underlying violation is just


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         1       that, it's a violation.  It's not a crime,

         2       it's not a misdemeanor.

         3                  A misdemeanor is a crime.  And

         4       possession of marijuana or illegal parking is

         5       not a crime.

         6                  Thank you.

         7                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Padavan.

         8                  SENATOR PADAVAN:    Thank you,

         9       Madam President.

        10                  THE PRESIDENT:    You're welcome.

        11                  SENATOR PADAVAN:    Very briefly.

        12                  There are a handful of Senators in

        13       this chamber today who were here in 1976 when

        14       we adopted the Marijuana Reform Act that

        15       Senator Connor has referred to.  It was a very

        16       difficult debate.  There were some of us,

        17       Senator Volker and I and others, who felt

        18       there was a better way of dealing with the

        19       issue to take away stigma associated with a

        20       criminal conviction that young people would

        21       have, yet at the same time providing some

        22       reason to keep kids away from drugs.

        23                  We failed in that initiative.  We

        24       were concerned that the use of marijuana,

        25       because it would be nothing more than a minor


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         1       violation with a fine, would increase among

         2       young people who would say, Well, it's no

         3       longer a crime.  And even if we get caught, it

         4       really doesn't amount to much.

         5                  And we were right.  Marijuana use,

         6       particularly among young people, increased

         7       significantly in the years that followed.

         8                  Now, what Senator Winner is doing

         9       here, he's providing a mechanism that can be

        10       very, very beneficial.  The thing that young

        11       people value perhaps more than anything else

        12       is their driver's license.  And what he's

        13       saying to them and others, number one, you

        14       don't pay the fine -- and of course underlying

        15       that is having received the violation for

        16       marijuana use -- you're going to lose your

        17       driver's license.  And that can be a way of

        18       keeping them away from drugs.

        19                  And Senator Connor is also correct

        20       when he points out, along with DWI, driving

        21       while under the influence of drugs is a very,

        22       very unfortunate thing that occurs all too

        23       often in our society today and can be very

        24       dangerous to everyone.  So there is a

        25       connection between driving and drug use; in


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         1       this case, marijuana.

         2                  So obviously this is the right

         3       thing to do.  And I thank Senator Winner for

         4       his efforts at doing it.  And a lot of

         5       history -- we could talk about by the hour

         6       about the Marijuana Reform Act.  But

         7       nevertheless, I think this is a good bill and

         8       ought to be enacted.

         9                  THE PRESIDENT:    Does any other

        10       member wish to be heard?

        11                  Then the debate is closed.

        12                  The Secretary will ring the bell.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Read

        14       the last section.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        16       act shall take effect on the first of

        17       November.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Call

        19       the roll.

        20                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

        22       Secretary will announce the results.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

        24       the negative on Calendar Number 644 are

        25       Senators Diaz, Dilan, Duane, Gonzalez,


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         1       L. Krueger, Montgomery, Parker and

         2       Schneiderman.

         3                  Those Senators absent from voting:

         4       Senators Breslin, DeFrancisco and Paterson.

         5                  Ayes, 47.  Nays, 8.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

         7       bill is passed.

         8                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         9       704, substituted earlier today by the Assembly

        10       Committee on Rules, Assembly Print Number

        11       10652A, an act to amend Chapter 50 of the Laws

        12       of 2006, enacting the Public Protection and

        13       General Government Budget.

        14                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:

        15       Explanation.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        17       Johnson, an explanation has been requested.

        18                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    Yes, Mr.

        19       President.

        20                  This is a budget cleanup bill.  The

        21       budget bills had various technical changes

        22       that required certain changes to be made to

        23       satisfy the Governor, who felt that some of

        24       our provisions were unconstitutional, though

        25       we don't believe they were.  And this bill


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         1       just cleans those up.  This is the

         2       appropriations bill to provide that change in

         3       law, make everything, we feel, constitutional

         4       and legal.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         6       Schneiderman.

         7                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you,

         8       Mr. President, on the bill.

         9                  This bill and the following bill

        10       are technical cleanup bills to a budget that

        11       has been thrown into a sea of uncertainty by

        12       the executive branch.  However, I recognize

        13       this is an effort by the Legislature simply to

        14       make technical corrections and come into

        15       compliance with other areas of the law.  I

        16       will therefore be voting in the affirmative.

        17                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        19       Montgomery.

        20                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes, Mr.

        21       President.  I would like to ask the sponsor

        22       for an explanation, through you.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    He's

        24       already given an explanation.  Do you have a

        25       question?


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         1                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Excuse me.

         2       Would you yield for a question, Senator?

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         4       Johnson, will you yield for a question?

         5                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    Yes, Mr.

         6       President.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         8       Montgomery.

         9                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    All right.

        10       Senator Johnson, I note that there is an

        11       additional $33 million in capital project

        12       appropriation for the Atlantic Yards Railway

        13       redevelopment project.  My question is, is

        14       this an additional 33, making the total

        15       66 million in capital project funding for

        16       Atlantic Yards?

        17                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    It is an

        18       additional 33 million, yes, it is.

        19                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    So it's 66.

        20                  Through you, Mr. President, I'd

        21       like to ask Senator Johnson to yield for

        22       another question.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        24       Johnson, will you continue to yield?

        25                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    Yes, Mr.


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         1       President.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Go

         3       ahead, Senator Montgomery.

         4                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Senator

         5       Johnson, for years going out, for the next

         6       30 years, assuming that the way that we will

         7       raise this money is through bonding -- is that

         8       how it's going to be?

         9                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    Normally, yes,

        10       that would be the case.

        11                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Do we then

        12       know what will be the additional cost for

        13       raising that money?  And how will that

        14       additional cost be paid for?

        15                  In other words, I'm trying to find

        16       out what is the cost of raising $66 million

        17       for this particular project and who will pay

        18       for it.

        19                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    Well, of

        20       course, any bonds which are issued by the

        21       state are paid through the state.  We don't

        22       know what the terms are at this point.  We

        23       don't know the terminology, we don't know the

        24       interest rates that might exist.  So it's

        25       pretty hard to say.


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         1                  But let's say every other thing

         2       which we feel is a good economic development

         3       project is paid for, ultimately, through the

         4       budget.

         5                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    So,

         6       Mr. President, just one further question if

         7       Senator Johnson would yield.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         9       Johnson, will you yield?

        10                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    Yes, Mr.

        11       President.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        13       Montgomery.

        14                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    So, Senator

        15       Johnson, assuming that the state will pay,

        16       this will add an additional how much to our

        17       state debt payment once this $66 million is

        18       bonded out?

        19                  SENATOR JOHNSON:    I know you're

        20       concerned about the state debt, as I am, and

        21       the federal debt, et cetera.  It looks like

        22       we'll never get paid up; right?  And we kind

        23       of worry about that.

        24                  But this is so infinitesimal in

        25       comparison to the state debt that's out there,


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         1       I don't feel that anyone here would notice it.

         2       It wouldn't make that much of a difference.

         3                  But it would help create jobs and

         4       keep the economy going in that area, which is

         5       really important to all of us, probably

         6       bringing in more money that way.

         7                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Mr.

         8       President, just briefly on the bill.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        10       Montgomery, on the bill.

        11                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes.  I note

        12       that Senator Johnson has indicated that this

        13       would be a very minor -- so minor of an

        14       addition to our debt service that we would not

        15       notice.  But certainly I will notice, and I

        16       think the taxpayers of the State of New York

        17       will notice.

        18                  It's going to add to our debt

        19       payments quite substantially, especially when

        20       it's added on to all of the other proposed

        21       capital bonding that was going to be required

        22       vis-a-vis this budget.

        23                  And let me just say this.  There is

        24       currently -- since this project is in my

        25       district, I have not been convinced of the


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         1       balance in terms of the economic development

         2       benefits versus what we're putting into it in

         3       terms of tax dollars by citizens in the State

         4       of New York.

         5                  So I don't believe that this is

         6       such an important economic development.  There

         7       could be some other economic development

         8       projects that would benefit us much, much

         9       more.  So I think that this is really an

        10       inappropriate use of taxpayers' dollars.

        11                  And certainly it's going to require

        12       my son and Senator Johnson's children and

        13       grandchildren to pay this kind of debt, that

        14       they will notice.  Because to the extent that

        15       they are not able to benefit from a prosperous

        16       state economy, based on the fact that we've

        17       saddled them with debt for the next 30, 40

        18       years, they're going to notice.  And I don't

        19       think it's fair, and it's not right.

        20                  So I'm voting no on it.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Thank

        22       you, Senator Montgomery.

        23                  Are there any other Senators

        24       wishing to be heard?

        25                  Senator Krueger.


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         1                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    Thank you,

         2       Mr. President.  Briefly on the bill.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    On the

         4       bill.

         5                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    Thank you.

         6                  And I'll address this on both of

         7       the cleanup bills at once.

         8                  Some of us voted for some of the

         9       budget bills and against some of the budget

        10       bills.  I am certainly in that situation.  And

        11       yet we are in a situation where we have sort

        12       of one shot at cleanup bills on all of these

        13       budget bills.

        14                  We also have, I think, the added

        15       dilemma that we're being asked to vote for

        16       cleanup bills on budget bills that we're still

        17       waiting to learn about vetoes from the

        18       Governor.  He has sent down one set of vetoes

        19       on some of the budget bills but still has a

        20       clock ticking for additional vetoes.

        21                  So it's my understanding that

        22       regardless of where we go today on these

        23       budget cleanup bills -- and I assume, of

        24       course, that they'll pass -- we don't really

        25       know what the outcome of any of this will be,


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         1       both because we're still awaiting vetoes and

         2       there are already vetoes that come down that

         3       don't match with these cleanup bills.

         4                  And I've also been advised that

         5       under constitutional rules, we only have one

         6       shot at these cleanup appropriation and

         7       language bills.  So we might realize later we

         8       should have waited a little longer to see

         9       where the Governor was going.

        10                  But having said that, I want to

        11       highlight for the record that while I will

        12       vote for these bills, there are many issues

        13       that we still have not addressed in the budget

        14       this year.  And perhaps since we're going to

        15       be dealing with vetoes, overrides,

        16       constitutional challenges, there might still

        17       be time to have serious discussion from a

        18       policy perspective, if not a dollar

        19       perspective, on some of these issues.

        20                  One, I continue to be

        21       extraordinarily concerned that we pass budgets

        22       that authorize hundreds of millions of dollars

        23       for back-door borrowing for projects that may

        24       not even be known, better yet be proven to be

        25       generators of long-term economic activity.  We


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         1       continue to bond out these back-door borrowing

         2       deals so that the public will end up paying a

         3       much higher rate in the long term and will, in

         4       my opinion, have little if no participation in

         5       knowing how we're spending these monies,

         6       having an opportunity to share their views,

         7       and in fact in many cases, especially dollars

         8       and bonds and borrowing that go through public

         9       authorities, the Legislature may have no

        10       oversight role.

        11                  My colleague Senator Montgomery

        12       highlighted just one issue, $66 million in

        13       borrowing for one sports project in her

        14       district.  I guess I find it interesting that

        15       at least in the cleanup bills we've discovered

        16       that we actually, by mistake, authorized

        17       $300 million instead of $150 million for two

        18       other sports complexes, so we're taking back

        19       150 million.  I guess a big oops.

        20                  But it raises the question to me

        21       again of why is the State of New York

        22       borrowing so much money for private sports

        23       complexes when we have basically no new money

        24       in this budget for creation of affordable

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         1       in the State of New York.

         2                  While we put money in for capital

         3       funds for schools, we did not address

         4       operating aid for our schools in this budget.

         5       We did not make our aid formulas transparent

         6       or equitable.

         7                  We did not reform Empire Zones or

         8       require accurate accounting of the state costs

         9       per job created, and if there are actually any

        10       jobs created, although we expanded, in several

        11       sections of these bills, the authority of

        12       Empire Zones and expanded the number of

        13       businesses who might be able to participate in

        14       these yet unreformed models of tax exemptions

        15       and credits.

        16                  We have still failed to adequately

        17       extend the Power for Jobs program, preventing

        18       businesses from going into multiyear contracts

        19       or even addressing the question of why you

        20       could actually lose money through NYPA in the

        21       Power for Jobs program.

        22                  We have failed to address many

        23       issues on the environment.  We have not funded

        24       the Environmental Protection Fund.  We have

        25       failed to include wetlands protection.  We


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         1       have failed to include adequate funding for

         2       community preservation.

         3                  We have failed to adequately invest

         4       in family planning services or to increase

         5       desperately needed monies for food and

         6       nutrition programs, including the Women,

         7       Infants and Children program in this state.

         8                  We have not completed our work,

         9       despite the fact that we are at a moment where

        10       we're being asked to clean up the undone

        11       business of the budget.

        12                  So for the record, while I will

        13       vote for these cleanup bills because of some

        14       of the things in them, we haven't technically

        15       finished the cleanup, we've just used up our

        16       opportunity to go back and revisit the

        17       questions.  So I will vote yes.  But again,

        18       for the record, there is so much better we

        19       could be doing for the State of New York.

        20                  Thank you Mr. President.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Are

        22       there any other Senators wishing to be heard?

        23                  Debate is closed.

        24                  The Secretary will ring the bell.

        25                  The Secretary will read the last


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         1       section.

         2                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 6.  This

         3       act shall take effect immediately.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Call

         5       the roll.

         6                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    In relation to

         8       Calendar Number 704, ayes, 54.  Nays, 1.

         9       Senator Montgomery recorded in the negative.

        10                  Absent from voting:  Senators

        11       Breslin, DeFrancisco and Paterson.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

        13       bill is passed.

        14                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        15       705, substituted earlier today by the Assembly

        16       Committee on Rules, Assembly Print Number

        17       10653, an act to amend the Social Services

        18       Law.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        20       Schneiderman.

        21                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you,

        22       Mr. President.

        23                  This is the language bill that

        24       accompanies the appropriation bill we just

        25       voted on.  I will be voting in favor of it,


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         1       for the same reasons that I articulated

         2       earlier, although subject to some of the same

         3       concerns stated by Senator Krueger, that we

         4       will have, for better or worse, another

         5       opportunity to address budget issues this

         6       year.

         7                  But for the moment, I think

         8       cleaning up the language and coming into

         9       compliance with other areas of the law is the

        10       right thing to do.  So I'll be voting in the

        11       affirmative.

        12                  Thank you.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Thank

        14       you, Senator Schneiderman.

        15                  Read the last section.

        16                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        17       act shall take effect immediately.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Call

        19       the roll.

        20                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    In relation to

        22       Calendar Number 705, ayes, 55.  Nays, 0.

        23                  Those Senators absent from voting:

        24       Senators Breslin, DeFrancisco and Paterson.

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         1       bill is passed.

         2                  Senator Skelos.

         3                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         4       is there any further business at the desk?

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    There

         6       is none.

         7                  Senator Stachowski.

         8                  SENATOR STACHOWSKI:    Mr.

         9       President, I move the following bills be

        10       discharged from their respective committees

        11       and be recommitted with instructions to strike

        12       the enacting clause:  S1734.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    So

        14       ordered.

        15                  SENATOR STACHOWSKI:    Thank you.

        16                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

        17       would you please recognize Senator Parker.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        19       Parker.

        20                  SENATOR PARKER:    Mr. President, I

        21       believe I have a motion at the desk.  I'd like

        22       to have it called up at this time.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

        24       Secretary will read.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Senate Print


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         1       6722, by Senator Parker, an act to amend the

         2       Energy Law.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         4       Parker.

         5                  SENATOR PARKER:    Thank you,

         6       Mr. President.

         7                  This bill is modeled after a bill

         8       that was reported from the Assembly Energy

         9       Committee just last week, and it restates and

        10       amends Article VI of the Energy Law that

        11       governs state energy planing.

        12                  Under this legislation, a state

        13       energy planning board would be responsible for

        14       analyzing and authorizing energy planning

        15       policy and developing a state energy plan in a

        16       reliable study over four years.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Excuse

        18       me, Senator Parker.

        19                  If we could just get a little order

        20       in the chamber.  We're almost done here.

        21       Thank you.

        22                  Continue, please.

        23                  SENATOR PARKER:    Thank you, Mr.

        24       President.

        25                  As you know, we have a serious


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         1       issue in this state as it relates to energy.

         2       Planning is really one of the missing parts of

         3       what the debate has not encompassed, and we

         4       really need to get there.  This bill actually

         5       does that.

         6                  Since its expiration on December

         7       31, 2001, the state has been without any

         8       long-range planning mechanism for our state

         9       energy needs, which is critically important in

        10       these times of escalating prices, supply

        11       disruptions, and the critical need for

        12       New York State to move from fossil fuel

        13       dependence to clean energy independence.

        14                  This bill establishes a state

        15       energy planning board that will be responsible

        16       for facilitating all energy planning for the

        17       state.  Prior to the development of a final

        18       energy plan, the board is required to hold a

        19       series of public hearings and opportunities

        20       for public comment and will include long-range

        21       plans from all New York electricity providers

        22       and distributors.

        23                  Under this plan, based on an

        24       analysis of electricity demand forecasts,

        25       energy supply sources, transmission facilities


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         1       and regional market analysis, the board shall

         2       adopt a state energy plan.  This legislation

         3       will upgrade the expired state energy planning

         4       process by requiring the state energy plan to

         5       include an elimination of the lease cost means

         6       of meeting the state's energy needs by

         7       including, but not limited to, looking for

         8       alternative ways to meet energy needs other

         9       than through construction of large central

        10       station power plants.

        11                  The legislation also will provide a

        12       mechanism to replace old, inefficient and

        13       heavy polluting facilities.  Additionally, the

        14       bill requires the New York Power Authority and

        15       the Long Island Power Authority to participate

        16       in the planning process and to submit periodic

        17       strategic operational and capital plans.

        18                  Because fossil-fuel-burning plants

        19       and nuclear power plants are major pollution

        20       sources, they require significant

        21       environmental scrutiny.  Reauthorization of

        22       Article VI is necessary to make sure that our

        23       energy planning policies and programs include

        24       a cost/benefit analysis and risk assessment of

        25       energy supply sources.


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         1                  The energy planning process in this

         2       bill includes a requirement that current

         3       policies and programs minimize public health

         4       and environmental impacts.  An environmental

         5       justice analysis and the identification of

         6       policies and programs that maximize

         7       cost-effectiveness, energy efficiency, and

         8       conservation, including the use of renewables.

         9                  With greater focus on efficiency,

        10       conservation and renewable energy sources,

        11       this bill will help New York to develop a

        12       comprehensive energy plan that is cognizant of

        13       economic pressures as well as environmental

        14       concerns.

        15                  I'd like to ask everybody in this

        16       house to go on record in supporting energy

        17       planning for this state, and so I urge a yes

        18       on this motion.  Thank you.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    All

        20       those Senators in favor of the petition out of

        21       committee please signify by raising your

        22       hands.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

        24       agreement are Senators Connor, Coppola, Diaz,

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         1       Montgomery, Oppenheimer, Parker, Sabini,

         2       Sampson, Savino, Schneiderman, Serrano,

         3       Stachowski, Stavisky and Valesky.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

         5       petition is not agreed to.

         6                  Senator Skelos.

         7                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         8       there being no further business to come before

         9       the Senate, I move we stand adjourned until

        10       Monday, April 24th, at 3:00 p.m., intervening

        11       days being legislative days.

        12                  Happy holidays to all.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    On

        14       motion, the Senate stands adjourned until

        15       Monday, April 24th, at 3:00 p.m., intervening

        16       days being legislative days.

        17                  (Whereupon, at 12:35 p.m., the

        18       Senate adjourned.)

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