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         1                 NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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         3

         4                THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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         9                   ALBANY, NEW YORK

        10                     May 16, 2007

        11                      11:04 a.m.

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        14                    REGULAR SESSION

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        18  LT. GOVERNOR DAVID A. PATERSON, President

        19  STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary

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         1                 P R O C E E D I N G S

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         3       Senate will come to order.

         4                  Please join me in reciting the

         5       Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.

         6                  (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

         7       the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    In the

         9       absence of clergy, I would ask that you join

        10       me for a moment of silent prayer.

        11                  (Whereupon, the assemblage

        12       respected a moment of silence.)

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    We will

        14       now have the reading of the Journal.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

        16       Tuesday, May 15, the Senate met pursuant to

        17       adjournment.  The Journal of Monday, May 14,

        18       was read and approved.  On motion, Senate

        19       adjourned.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Without

        21       objection, the Journal stands approved as

        22       read.

        23                  Presentation of petitions.

        24                  Messages from the Assembly.

        25                  Messages from the Governor.


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         1                  Reports of standing committees.

         2                  Reports of select committees.

         3                  Communications and reports from

         4       state officers.

         5                  Motions and resolutions.

         6                  Senator Farley.

         7                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Thank you,

         8       Mr. President.

         9                  On behalf of Senator Fuschillo, I

        10       wish to call up his bill, Print Number 5050,

        11       which was recalled from the Assembly and it's

        12       now at the desk.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        14       Secretary will read.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        16       755, by Senator Fuschillo, Senate Print 5050,

        17       an act to amend the General Business Law.

        18                  SENATOR FARLEY:    I now move to

        19       reconsider the vote by which this bill was

        20       passed.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        22       the roll on reconsideration.

        23                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 41.

        25                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Mr. President, I


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         1       now move to recommit the bill to the Committee

         2       on Consumer Protection.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    So

         4       ordered.

         5                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Mr. President,

         6       on behalf of Senator Golden, on page 63 I

         7       offer the following amendments to Calendar

         8       Number 930, Senate Print 3333, and I ask that

         9       this bill retain its place on the Third

        10       Reading Calendar.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        12       amendments are received and adopted, and the

        13       bill will retain its place on the Third

        14       Reading Calendar.

        15                  Senator Savino.

        16                  SENATOR SAVINO:    Thank you,

        17       Mr. President.

        18                  I move that the following bills be

        19       discharged from their respective committees

        20       and be recommitted with instructions to strike

        21       the enacting clause:  Senate Print 4197.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    So

        23       ordered.

        24                  SENATOR SAVINO:    Thank you.

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator


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         1       Skelos.

         2                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         3       if we could make the substitution that's at

         4       the desk at this time.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         6       Secretary will read.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    On page 63,

         8       Senator Bruno moves to discharge, from the

         9       Committee on Rules, Assembly Bill Number 8017

        10       and substitute it for the identical Senate

        11       Bill Number 5490A, Third Reading Calendar 969.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:

        13       Substitution ordered.

        14                  Senator Skelos.

        15                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

        16       there's a resolution at the desk by Senator

        17       Carl Kruger.  Could we have the title read and

        18       move for its immediate adoption.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        20       clerk will read.

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator C.

        22       Kruger, Legislative Resolution Number 2288,

        23       commending Yaakov and Rivka Kornreich upon the

        24       occasion of their designation by Young Israel

        25       of Avenue J as the guests of honor at its 28th


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         1       Annual Dinner on May 20, 2007.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    On the

         3       resolution, all in favor signify by saying

         4       aye.

         5                  (Response of "Aye.")

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:

         7       Opposed, nay.

         8                  (No response.)

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        10       resolution is carried.

        11                  Senator Skelos.

        12                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

        13       there will be an immediate meeting of the

        14       Rules Committee in the Majority Conference

        15       Room.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    There

        17       will be an immediate meeting of the Rules

        18       Committee in the Majority Conference Room.

        19                  The Senate stands at ease.

        20                  (Whereupon, the Senate stood at

        21       ease at 11:08 a.m.)

        22                  (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened

        23       at 11:12 a.m.)

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        25       Senate will come to order.


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         1                  Senator Skelos.

         2                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         3       if we could return to reports of standing

         4       committees, there's a report of the Rules

         5       Committee at the desk.  I ask that it be read

         6       at this time.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         8       Secretary will read.

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    Senator Bruno,

        10       from the Committee on Rules, reports the

        11       following bill direct to third reading:

        12       Assembly Print Number 8360, by Member of the

        13       Assembly Gunther, an act to amend the Tax Law.

        14                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President, I

        15       move to accept the report of the Rules

        16       Committee.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        18       motion is on accepting the report of the Rules

        19       Committee.  All in favor say aye.

        20                  (Response of "Aye.")

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:

        22       Opposed, nay.

        23                  (No response.)

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        25       Rules report is accepted.


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         1                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         2       if we could go to the noncontroversial reading

         3       of the calendar.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         5       Secretary will read.

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         7       97, by Senator Maziarz, Senate Print 1617, an

         8       act to amend the Civil Service Law, in

         9       relation to leaves of absence.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        11       the last section.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        13       act shall take effect immediately.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        15       the roll.

        16                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 42.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        19       bill is passed.

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        21       413, by Senator Robach, Senate Print 3748A, an

        22       act to amend the Retirement and Social

        23       Security Law, in relation to increasing.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        25       the last section.


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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         2       act shall take effect immediately.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

         4       the roll.

         5                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 42.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         8       bill is passed.

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        10       560, by Senator Robach, Senate Print 3757, an

        11       act to amend the Civil Service Law, in

        12       relation to collecting interest.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        14       the last section.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        16       act shall take effect immediately.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        18       the roll.

        19                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 45.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        22       bill is passed.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        24       696, by Senator Maltese, Senate Print 5374A,

        25       an act to amend the Labor Law, in relation to


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         1       establishing a task force.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

         3       the last section.

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         5       act shall take effect immediately.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

         7       the roll.

         8                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 45.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        11       bill is passed.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        13       809, by Senator Marcellino, Senate Print 4374,

        14       an act to authorize the Christian City Church

        15       of New York City, Inc., to file an

        16       application.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        18       the last section.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        20       act shall take effect immediately.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        22       the roll.

        23                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

        25       the negative on Calendar Number 809 are


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         1       Senators Bonacic and Larkin.

         2                  Ayes, 43.  Nays, 2.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         4       bill is passed.

         5                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         6       836, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print

         7       4257, an act to amend the Uniform Justice

         8       Court Act and the Judiciary Law, in relation

         9       to temporary assignment.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        11       the last section.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

        13       act shall take effect immediately.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        15       the roll.

        16                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 45.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        19       bill is passed.

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        21       843, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print

        22       4988, an act to amend the Surrogate's Court

        23       Procedure Act, in relation to providing.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        25       the last section.


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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         2       act shall take effect on the first of January.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

         4       the roll.

         5                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 48.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         8       bill is passed.

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        10       854, by Senator Padavan, Senate Print 1991, an

        11       act relating to authorizing and directing the

        12       Commissioner of General Services.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        14       the last section.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

        16       act shall take effect immediately.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        18       the roll.

        19                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 49.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        22       bill is passed.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        24       881, by Senator Larkin, Senate Print 195, an

        25       act to authorize the City of Newburgh to


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         1       establish.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    There

         3       is a home-rule message present at the desk.

         4                  Read the last section.

         5                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         6       act shall take effect immediately.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

         8       the roll.

         9                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        10                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 49.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        12       bill is passed.

        13                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        14       883, by Senator Nozzolio, Senate Print 588, an

        15       act to amend the General Municipal Law, in

        16       relation to participants.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        18       the last section.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        20       act shall take effect immediately.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        22       the roll.

        23                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 51.

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The


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         1       bill is passed.

         2                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         3       884, by Senator Flanagan, Senate Print 900, an

         4       act to authorize the Holy Cross Roman Catholic

         5       Church to retroactively apply.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

         7       the last section.

         8                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         9       act shall take effect immediately.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        11       the roll.

        12                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        13                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 49.  Nays,

        14       2.  Senators Bonacic and Larkin recorded in

        15       the negative.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        17       bill is passed.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        19       886, by Senator Libous, Senate Print 2150, an

        20       act to amend the Real Property Tax Law, in

        21       relation to establishing an exemption.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        23       the last section.

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        25       act shall take effect immediately.


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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

         2       the roll.

         3                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 51.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         6       bill is passed.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         8       892, by Senator Seward, Senate Print 4000, an

         9       act to amend Chapter 383 of the Laws of 1999

        10       relating to creating.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        12       the last section.

        13                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        14       act shall take effect immediately.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        16       the roll.

        17                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 51.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        20       bill is passed.

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        22       895, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 4490, an

        23       act to authorize Congregation Aish Kodesh to

        24       file an application.

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read


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         1       the last section.

         2                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         3       act shall take effect immediately.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

         5       the roll.

         6                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 49.  Nays,

         8       2.  Senators Bonacic and Larkin recorded in

         9       the negative.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        11       bill is passed.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        13       896, by Senator LaValle, Senate Print 4734, an

        14       act in relation to authorizing the assessor of

        15       the Town of Brookhaven to accept an

        16       application.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        18       the last section.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        20       act shall take effect immediately.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        22       the roll.

        23                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 49.  Nays,

        25       2.  Senators Bonacic and Larkin recorded in


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         1       the negative.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         3       bill is passed.

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         5       897, by Senator Farley, Senate Print 4799, an

         6       act to amend the Real Property Tax Law, in

         7       relation to residential investment exemption.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

         9       the last section.

        10                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        11       act shall take effect immediately.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        13       the roll.

        14                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        17       bill is passed.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        19       903, by Senator Little, Senate Print 5491, an

        20       act to amend the General Municipal Law, in

        21       relation to certain county contracts.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        23       the last section.

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        25       act shall take effect immediately.


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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

         2       the roll.

         3                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 54.  Nays,

         5       1.  Senator Duane recorded in the negative.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         7       bill is passed.

         8                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         9       914, by Senator Morahan, Senate Print 4351, an

        10       act to amend the Mental Hygiene Law, in

        11       relation to settlement.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        13       the last section.

        14                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        15       act shall take effect immediately.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        17       the roll.

        18                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        21       bill is passed.

        22                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        23       922, by Senator Hannon, Senate Print 4660, an

        24       act to amend Chapter 672 of the Laws of 1993,

        25       amending the Public Authorities Law.


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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

         2       the last section.

         3                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         4       act shall take effect immediately.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

         6       the roll.

         7                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         8                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        10       bill is passed.

        11                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        12       926, by Senator LaValle, Senate Print 5160, an

        13       act to amend Chapter 672 of the Laws of 1993,

        14       amending the Public Authorities Law.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Read

        16       the last section.

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        18       act shall take effect immediately.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        20       the roll.

        21                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        22                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        24       bill is passed.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number


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         1       969, substituted earlier today by Member of

         2       the Assembly --

         3                  SENATOR DUANE:    Lay it aside.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Lay it

         5       aside.

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         7       1123, by Member of the Assembly Gunther,

         8       Assembly Print Number 8360, an act to amend

         9       the Tax Law, in relation to Sullivan County.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    There

        11       is a local fiscal impact statement at the

        12       desk.

        13                  Read the last section.

        14                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        15       act shall take effect immediately.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        17       the roll.

        18                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.  Nays,

        20       1.  Senator Valesky recorded in the negative.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        22       bill is passed.

        23                  Senator Skelos, that completes the

        24       noncontroversial reading of the calendar.

        25                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Thank you,


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         1       Mr. President.  If we could go to the

         2       controversial reading at this time.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         4       Secretary will ring the bell.

         5                  The Secretary will read.

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         7       969, by Member of the Assembly Sweeney,

         8       Assembly Print Number 8017, an act relating to

         9       limited exemptions.

        10                  SENATOR DUANE:    Explanation,

        11       please.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        13       Marcellino, an explanation has been requested.

        14                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Yes,

        15       Mr. President.  This legislation would allow

        16       certain paints to be sold until July 16, 2007.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        18       Duane.

        19                  SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you,

        20       Mr. President.

        21                  Is this AIM coating considered

        22       toxic?

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Are you

        24       asking Senator Marcellino to yield for a

        25       question, Senator Duane?


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         1                  SENATOR DUANE:    Yes, I am,

         2       Mr. President.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         4       Marcellino, will you yield for a question?

         5                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Yes,

         6       Mr. President.

         7                  The DEC set regs that require that

         8       this paint no longer be sold by a certain

         9       date.  The bill has passed the Assembly just

        10       last night, unanimously.  The Governor will

        11       get it.  The DEC commissioner has said he will

        12       do a delay of enforcement because there's a

        13       gap between when the bill was passed and when

        14       it would come into effect.  So everybody is on

        15       board with the movement of this bill.

        16                  It would help certain small

        17       businesses, who have approximately $20 million

        18       worth of inventory still in stock, to move

        19       some of this inventory off the shelves.  If

        20       it's not moved by this particular date, they

        21       will donate it to various charitable housing

        22       charities and it will be used anyway.

        23                  SENATOR DUANE:    Through you,

        24       Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue

        25       to yield.


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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         2       Marcellino, would you continue to yield for

         3       further questions?

         4                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Yes, sir.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         6       Duane.

         7                  SENATOR DUANE:    Is this AIM

         8       coating considered toxic?

         9                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    I don't

        10       know, Senator.

        11                  SENATOR DUANE:    Through you,

        12       Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue

        13       to yield.

        14                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Yes.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        16       Marcellino yields, Senator Duane.

        17                  SENATOR DUANE:    Why is it not

        18       being manufactured anymore?

        19                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    I'm sorry,

        20       but I can't hear the gentleman.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        22       Duane, please repeat the question.

        23                  SENATOR DUANE:    Why is this

        24       coating no longer being manufactured?

        25                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    I don't know


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         1       that it's no longer being manufactured.

         2                  SENATOR DUANE:    Through you,

         3       Mr. President, why was the original expiration

         4       date set?

         5                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    I don't know

         6       that.  I didn't set it, Senator.  That was set

         7       by the DEC, so I have no idea what their

         8       requirements are.

         9                  SENATOR DUANE:    Mr. President, I

        10       think I'll just speak on the bill, then.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        12       Duane, on the bill.

        13                  SENATOR DUANE:    I am disturbed,

        14       to say the least, that the sponsor of this

        15       legislation doesn't seem to even know why this

        16       legislation is necessary or what's going on

        17       with it or whether this coating is toxic and

        18       why it's being taken off the market and why

        19       are we only extending its -- I mean, I can't

        20       believe the lack of knowledge on this.

        21                  If the sponsor doesn't know, how

        22       are the rest of us supposed to know?

        23                  So I would suggest that we don't go

        24       along with this until we have a hearing to get

        25       some answers to our questions.


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         1                  Again, I'm just -- I'm shocked,

         2       shocked that we can't get any answers on this

         3       issue.  Of course no one wants to hurt small

         4       businesses.  But maybe the question is why are

         5       manufacturers manufacturing what I have come

         6       to understand is a toxic substance.

         7                  And who cares whether the Assembly

         8       passed it unanimously?  That's not an

         9       explanation for the bill.  And why would we be

        10       donating toxic substances to nonprofit

        11       organizations?  So they can poison their -- I

        12       don't get that.

        13                  So I don't understand why we're

        14       rushing this through.  Didn't we know about

        15       this issue months ago?  Why is this bill just

        16       arriving today and needs to be pushed through

        17       today?

        18                  So I just think it's the worst kind

        19       of legislating.  And if we're going to

        20       supposedly be reforming how we do things

        21       around here, let's at least know what we're

        22       voting on and have information on why it is

        23       that bills are coming before us.

        24                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Thank


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         1       you, Senator Duane.

         2                  Is there any other Senator wishing

         3       to be heard?

         4                  Senator Little, on the bill.

         5                  SENATOR LITTLE:    Thank you,

         6       Mr. President.

         7                  I would like to thank Senator

         8       Marcellino for putting forth this bill.

         9                  This is a type of paint that has

        10       been decided that it can no longer be used in

        11       this state.  However, the date when it had to

        12       be taken off the shelves did not allow enough

        13       time for this paint to be sold.  And this

        14       paint has been used for years and years and

        15       years in New York State.

        16                  I have heard from many of my retail

        17       stores in my district who sell this paint, who

        18       no longer buy it.  But rather than have to

        19       absorb the costs of the paint that they

        20       bought, they would like to be able to sell

        21       this paint, and they feel they need another

        22       60 days.  In a rural area, you have to

        23       understand, you don't get as many sales as you

        24       get in a larger area.

        25                  So I appreciate the fact that this


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         1       bill has been put forward.  After that certain

         2       date, it will no longer be sold in New York

         3       State and we will be in compliance.  We're

         4       just asking for a few more days in order to

         5       sell the stock that these small rural stores

         6       already have.

         7                  Thank you.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Thank

         9       you, Senator Little.

        10                  Senator Farley, on the bill.

        11                  SENATOR FARLEY:    Yes.  Senator

        12       Duane, this is not a big deal.

        13                  This is paint that has been sold

        14       for years and years in this state.  The big

        15       box stores -- the Wal-Marts, the Lowe's, the

        16       Home Depots -- they're just sending this paint

        17       out to another state to be sold.

        18                  The small little retailer that is

        19       around in our districts, and I think in almost

        20       every Senator's district, is stuck with this

        21       paint.  They came up with an arbitrary date

        22       for which they had to get rid of the paint.

        23       There wasn't enough time for these small

        24       little retailers to unload the paint in a sale

        25       or whatever it might be.  All this bill does


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         1       is give them a little bit more time.

         2                  And I think every Senator in this

         3       house has some sort of a small retailer that

         4       does not have outlets out of state where they

         5       could ship the paint to.  And this just allows

         6       the small retailer to get rid of the paint at

         7       a retail basis.  And a number of them have

         8       complained about this.

         9                  And I don't think DEC, when they

        10       came up with this arbitrary date, really

        11       intended that the small guy would get stuck

        12       with the paint and the big box stores would be

        13       able to get rid of it.

        14                  I support the bill, and I urge

        15       everybody to vote for it.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Thank

        17       you, Senator Farley.

        18                  Senator Seward.

        19                  SENATOR SEWARD:    Yes,

        20       Mr. President.  I too would like to rise and

        21       thank Senator Marcellino for his leadership in

        22       presenting this legislation that's before us

        23       at this time.

        24                  Just building on what Senator

        25       Little and Senator Farley have outlined, this


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         1       bill is in response to emergency rules that

         2       were promulgated over at DEC regarding

         3       reducing the emissions of these VOCs which are

         4       in paints that have been manufactured prior to

         5       January 1, 2005.

         6                  And it is important.  I think no

         7       one is disagreeing with getting these off the

         8       shelves in New York State.  But as has been

         9       explained, DEC came in with this emergency

        10       rule right in the wintertime when many of

        11       our -- particularly our small paint shops just

        12       weren't able to sell their product because it

        13       was wintertime.  Nobody was out there painting

        14       their houses in December, January and

        15       February.

        16                  And so the May 15th date -- spring

        17       has come a little late in many of our areas,

        18       and they're still not painting.  They're just

        19       starting to.  So between now and July 16th,

        20       extension of this date will allow our

        21       particularly small retailers to sell the

        22       product that they've already bought and have

        23       no way of recouping that investment unless

        24       they sell the paints.  That will give them

        25       ample time to get these paints off their


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         1       shelves.  And then from July 16 on, it will be

         2       a whole different ball game.

         3                  So this is a commonsense approach,

         4       it's pro-business, pro-environment, and I'm

         5       very pleased to support the bill.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Thank

         7       you, Senator Seward.

         8                  Senator Craig Johnson.

         9                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    Thank

        10       you, Mr. President.

        11                  I rise to support the legislation,

        12       as the ranking member of the Environmental

        13       Conservation Committee, but to also thank

        14       Senator Duane for raising these questions

        15       because I think it's important, you know, for

        16       the entire Senate body to raise these

        17       questions and to seek those answers because

        18       they are valid, important points.  And I think

        19       it's troubling that we weren't able to have

        20       those answers.

        21                  But I think it does provide us, as

        22       Senator Seward talks about, with a commonsense

        23       solution.

        24                  But we should be mindful that this

        25       is an absolute deadline.  We're willing to


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         1       give our small retailers a chance to sell off

         2       this product, but I don't want to be back here

         3       in June, I don't want to be back here next

         4       year that we have to do some sort of

         5       retroactive ability to let these small

         6       retailers sell it off.  An additional 60 days

         7       is worthwhile, it's necessary, it allows them

         8       the time to get it off their shelves.  But at

         9       that point, that's it.

        10                  And we need to continue to protect

        11       our environment and continue to prevent these

        12       types of paints from going out into the public

        13       realm, because we don't know what the impacts

        14       are going to be on the health, the welfare and

        15       the safety of our children and of our parents

        16       and of our grandparents.

        17                  So I commend Senator Duane for

        18       raising the questions.  I thank Senator

        19       Marcellino for sponsoring this bill.  And I

        20       vote yes.  Thank you very much.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        22       DeFrancisco, why do you rise?

        23                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Would

        24       Senator Johnson answer a question?

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Order,


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         1       guys.

         2                  Senator Johnson, will you yield for

         3       a question from Senator DeFrancisco?

         4                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    I don't

         5       know.  But sure.  Why not.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         7       DeFrancisco.

         8                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    You're the

         9       ranking member of the Environmental

        10       Conservation Committee?

        11                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    Yes.

        12                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Could you

        13       please answer Senator Duane's questions?

        14                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    Well, I

        15       can't.  I don't have the --

        16                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Would you

        17       do it, please?

        18                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    But I'm

        19       also not the sponsor of the bill.  And I think

        20       that what's appropriate is the sponsor of the

        21       bill stood up and told the Senate -- I'm not

        22       even on the bill.  That's a very valid point.

        23       Nor was I even asked to be on the bill.

        24                  But the valid point is that Senator

        25       Marcellino is the sponsor of the bill, Senator


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         1       Marcellino is the one who is pushing forth the

         2       bill, it went through Rules.  And actually

         3       maybe Senator DeFrancisco can ask the chairman

         4       of Rules to answer the very same question.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         6       DeFrancisco, why do you rise?

         7                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Would the

         8       Senator yield to another question?

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        10       Johnson, will you continue to yield?

        11                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    I will

        12       always yield to questions, unlike other

        13       members.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        15       DeFrancisco.

        16                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Senator

        17       Johnson, you voted yes in committee?

        18                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    Yes, and

        19       I will vote yes here as well.

        20                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    And could

        21       you just answer one last question?

        22                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    I will

        23       continue to yield for the last question.

        24                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Would you

        25       recommend, based upon your study of this bill,


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         1       to Senator Duane that this bill should be

         2       voted in the affirmative because his concerns

         3       are not well founded?  Would you be willing

         4       to --

         5                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    I'm

         6       sorry, could you repeat the question?  I'm

         7       trying to formulate the answer as you're

         8       asking me the question.

         9                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    My question

        10       is, since you voted for the bill, since

        11       obviously you know the answer to the questions

        12       Senator Duane raised --

        13                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    Oh, I

        14       don't know the answer to the questions Senator

        15       Duane raised.  I don't think Senator

        16       Marcellino knows the same answers.  I don't

        17       think any of us know the answers to the same

        18       questions, so --

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Can we

        20       allow Senator DeFrancisco to ask the question.

        21                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    I

        22       apologize, Mr. President.

        23                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Senator

        24       Johnson, since you don't know the answer to

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         1       questions by Senator Duane, what was your

         2       basis for voting yes in committee and for

         3       voting yes today?

         4                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    Oh, I

         5       think it was similar to a lot of us voting for

         6       the very same bill, is the need -- is while

         7       we're giving the small retail businesses the

         8       ability to sell off this paint, we're also

         9       setting a drop-dead date of July 16, 2007.  So

        10       we're doing the appropriate balance, the

        11       deliberative balance that we need to provide

        12       for our small businesses and for our

        13       environment.

        14                  What I'm also pointing out is

        15       important is that we've set now the drop-dead

        16       date.  Well, the original drop-dead date was

        17       set.  Of course, we don't know why that date

        18       was set; that was another question asked by

        19       Senator Duane.  But we've now extended it by

        20       60 days to give small businesses the ability

        21       to sell off -- because it is important.  They

        22       don't have the ability to do it quickly like

        23       the Wal-Marts and the Lowe's.

        24                  So I'm willing to join my

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         1       DeFrancisco, to give them that ability to do

         2       it while also protecting our environment.

         3                  No more?  Okay, thank you.

         4                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Adams.

         5                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yeah, I rise and

         6       I ask, Mr. President, would the sponsor of the

         7       bill yield for a question?

         8                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Yes, the

         9       sponsor yields.

        10                  SENATOR ADAMS:    I'm trying to

        11       decide which way I'm going to vote, so I need

        12       a little assistance.

        13                  Through you, Mr. President, is the

        14       paint -- is it considered dangerous?  Has it

        15       be classified as dangerous by any governmental

        16       body at all?

        17                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    The DEC has

        18       determined that this paint should no longer be

        19       sold in the State of New York because, when

        20       you open the container, certain compounds are

        21       released.

        22                  They set a date.  When I was asked

        23       why the reason for the date, I have no idea,

        24       because I wasn't part of that negotiations,

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         1       by them.  The date was set by them.  It was

         2       purely an arbitrary date on their part to set

         3       that up.  They will tell you that.

         4                  They are on board with this bill.

         5       The DEC supports this bill.  The commissioner

         6       has said he will set aside any enforcement --

         7       because there is a gap when this bill is being

         8       pass and will be signed, as to when the

         9       original deadline, which was yesterday, was to

        10       come into effect.  So there will be no

        11       enforcement of this bill in the gap because

        12       Commissioner Grannis has said he will delay

        13       that by an order of his.

        14                  The Governor I assume is on board,

        15       because Mr. Grannis works for him.  So the

        16       bill is going to go immediately to the

        17       Governor's office, according to the Assembly,

        18       and will be signed by the Governor.

        19                  So everyone is on board to do this

        20       for these businesses.  They will take this

        21       paint and donate it to charities who will use

        22       it.  Housing groups that build affordable

        23       housing for people, they will use this paint.

        24       As was stated before, it is being used all

        25       over the country now.  These are small


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         1       mom-and-pop operations that cannot simply

         2       offload it.  They have not got the ability.

         3                  I was asked by Senator Krueger

         4       earlier, couldn't they just give it back.

         5       Well, the answer is no.  It was legally

         6       produced.  It was legal when it was purchased.

         7       It was determined by the DEC to be -- not to

         8       be sold by a particular date.  Their reasons

         9       are theirs.

        10                  So what we're doing, as has been

        11       stated by my colleagues and as I stated

        12       earlier, and has been stated by Senator

        13       Johnson, is simply giving the small business

        14       person the opportunity to move some product so

        15       that they don't get buried with the cost of

        16       this particular product on their shelves.

        17       That's all we're doing.

        18                  There will be no other bills, by

        19       the way, to answer Senator Johnson.  There

        20       will be no other bills that this Senator will

        21       permit out of the Environmental Conservation

        22       Committee to extend any deadlines.  This is

        23       it.

        24                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Mr. President,

        25       would the sponsor yield for another question?


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         1                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Yes, I will

         2       yield.

         3                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Did the DEC state

         4       by extending the two-month period that the

         5       danger level would change in any way?  Would

         6       the danger level still be the same two months

         7       later?

         8                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    No, we have

         9       nothing from the DEC on this.  I can only

        10       assume -- and you know the adage, when you

        11       assume, the danger you take on.  We can only

        12       assume that the DEC determines that there is

        13       no credible danger by extending this for a

        14       couple of months.

        15                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Thank you.

        16                  On the bill, Mr. President.

        17                  THE PRESIDENT:    Senator Adams, on

        18       the bill.

        19                  SENATOR ADAMS:    I'm a bit

        20       dismayed by even the comments, not only from

        21       the sponsor but others on the floor.  Are we

        22       putting profit over public safety?  I would

        23       love to see our small businesses thrive and

        24       grow and turn into the large stores.

        25                  But if the organizations and


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         1       agencies that we put in place to determine if

         2       a particular item is dangerous for the

         3       environment and our community gives us a date

         4       when it should be removed, to hear the

         5       reasoning for not removing the item is because

         6       we don't want people to lose a profit, to me

         7       that's troubling.  That is not the role of

         8       government, to put profit over public safety.

         9                  Yes, the paint was legal at one

        10       time.  But you know what?  So was asbestos.

        11       That was allowable and permissible to be in

        12       buildings.  But look what it has done to many

        13       of the employees that breathe in that

        14       substance.  If it was dangerous when the DEC

        15       gave a cutoff date, then it's going to be

        16       dangerous two months later and it's going to

        17       be dangerous when you put it into public

        18       housing to put on walls and buildings where

        19       people live.  It's dangerous.  It's dangerous.

        20                  If anything, we should be talking

        21       about how to give tax incentives to those

        22       small businesses that are going to lose from

        23       having to turn over this product.  But to

        24       state that the reason for extending the delay

        25       is because we don't want a ma-and-pa business


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         1       to lose profit, well, ma and pa is going to

         2       lose their children to dangerous substances in

         3       our society.  That's wrong.

         4                  I can't even see the logic of

         5       extending a delay that DEC made based on the

         6       profitability of the businesses involved.  And

         7       how could we even accept that and use that as

         8       an excuse?  Then in that case, let's continue

         9       to have asbestos.  Let's continue it a little

        10       longer.  Let's continue to identify all the

        11       substances that we identify, and let's tell

        12       those children up in the rafters that the

        13       profit is more important than their safety,

        14       it's more important than what they breathe in

        15       and consume.

        16                  There's no way I could vote for a

        17       bill merely based on the bottom line of

        18       manufacturers.  I base the bill on the bottom

        19       line of the most important commodity in my

        20       community, and that's my children.  That's who

        21       I believe is first.  And I'm sure the ma and

        22       pas would understand that, because the reason

        23       they're ma and pa is because they have

        24       children.

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         1                  SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you,

         2       Mr. President.

         3                  An awful lot of protesting going on

         4       here.  I don't know, you know, it seems to me

         5       that if something is toxic when you open up

         6       the can, that's a bad sign.  You know what I'm

         7       saying?  I wouldn't want to open up one of

         8       these cans, frankly.

         9                  And, you know, PCBs, creosote was

        10       legally manufactured.  How delicious was

        11       creosote; right?  Who would ever forget

        12       breathing in a big whiff of creosote; right?

        13                  You know, if this paint is so good

        14       for nonprofits, maybe my colleagues would like

        15       to paint their offices with it.  Maybe the

        16       Capitol should be painted with it.  And maybe

        17       we should open up the cans for the nonprofits.

        18       Right?

        19                  You know, I don't get it.  If it's

        20       bad, if it's toxic, then we shouldn't be

        21       selling it.  And if the big manufacturers, who

        22       probably did know that it was bad, were

        23       dumping it on the small retailers, well, maybe

        24       they should be investigated.  Maybe this is

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         1       into, why this crummy toxic stuff, coating,

         2       was being dumped on the small people.  You can

         3       bet that Wal-Mart is not going to suffer.

         4       Right?  If it's just the small ones, Wal-Mart

         5       probably already dumped the stuff.  We're

         6       probably lucky they didn't dump it into the

         7       Hudson.

         8                  So just in good conscience I cannot

         9       vote for this.  And you know what, I don't

        10       want it to be donated to nonprofits.  I want

        11       this stuff just to be gotten rid of.  And I

        12       want the small business people to be made

        13       whole, and I think they should be made whole

        14       by the manufacturers.

        15                  So I'll be voting no on this, and

        16       really with just -- I'm just appalled and,

        17       frankly, outraged.  Nonprofits?  I don't

        18       really -- I don't get that at all.

        19                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        21       Morahan.

        22                  SENATOR MORAHAN:    Thank you,

        23       Mr. President.

        24                  I just rise to perhaps shed some

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         1       several years ago, with the advice of the

         2       federal government, decided that this

         3       particular product or this particular

         4       ingredient in our paint products would be

         5       better removed than to continue.

         6                  They set up a timetable, which

         7       indicates to me that there was really no

         8       terrible sense of urgency.  They set a

         9       timetable up so that the manufacturers of I

        10       believe it's 4 million gallons of paint a year

        11       would be the first that would start to remove

        12       this from the paint.  And they gave them a

        13       year, the DEC gave the large manufacturers a

        14       year to move the products that they had

        15       already manufactured.

        16                  There's also smaller manufacturers,

        17       and those manufacturers were given two years

        18       to sell their product.  So they could continue

        19       to make the product for two years before they

        20       would have to stop.

        21                  After much negotiation, the DEC, to

        22       put the small manufacturer on the same playing

        23       field, the same level with the large

        24       manufacturers, pulled back that deadline so

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         1       product by a certain year, and I believe it

         2       was December 31st of the year 2006.

         3                  Thereafter the DEC said fine.  Now

         4       we've stopped the manufacturing, and now the

         5       product is out in the marketplace in the small

         6       stores and big stores.  The big stores, who

         7       have chains around the country, offloaded what

         8       they wanted to to their other stores outside

         9       of New York.  Not all states have banned this

        10       product at this particular time, to my

        11       knowledge.

        12                  And they gave a date, which was

        13       yesterday, on the assumption by that time the

        14       small stores would have moved the product off

        15       the shelf.  Fully knowing that after the sale,

        16       people would open the paint.  After the sale,

        17       the product was still there.  And they picked

        18       a date.

        19                  And as Senator Seward pointed out,

        20       no one was really conscious, in my mind, that

        21       the paints really weren't being used to a

        22       great degree in the deep months of the winter.

        23                  So now the DEC has agreed to extend

        24       the date from yesterday to July 16th.  This is

        25       an issue that has been going on for several


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         1       years.  And the DEC has been in this

         2       negotiation all the way, with the large

         3       manufacturers, then the small manufacturers,

         4       and now the retailers.  And there have been

         5       changes in implementation dates as they have

         6       gone along.

         7                  Now it was just felt that if they

         8       could have this little extra time that the

         9       small mom-and-pop hardware stores would be

        10       able to sell the paint.  What they do with it

        11       thereafter is their business.  No one's asking

        12       for a recall or destruction of the paint.  But

        13       they've asked for July 16th.

        14                  So the bill was passed in the

        15       Assembly.  The bill is now being passed in

        16       this house.  The DEC knows the Governor will

        17       sign this bill.  And then the store owners

        18       will have a little bit of time so they don't

        19       get financially crippled.

        20                  But I think that -- this is only

        21       given as an explanation on how we got to this

        22       point, but I think in the explanation and the

        23       time frame in which all of this has started

        24       that brought us to today, indicates to me as a

        25       layperson -- not a scientist, not a chemical


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         1       engineer -- that the DEC is not overly alarmed

         2       about the toxicity of this product.

         3                  And I believe Senator Marcellino's

         4       bill is a fair and equitable response to the

         5       small retailers that has been agreed to by all

         6       concerned, including the DEC.  I'm going to

         7       support the bill.

         8                  Thank you, Mr. President.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Thank

        10       you, Senator Morahan.

        11                  Senator Wright.

        12                  SENATOR WRIGHT:    Thank you,

        13       Mr. President.

        14                  I want to join my colleague Senator

        15       Morahan in trying to provide a voice of reason

        16       on this topic.

        17                  As he rightfully points out, this

        18       is not occurring in other states.  So what is

        19       happening with the Wal-Marts and the large

        20       retailers is they simply move it to their

        21       Pennsylvania store, their New Jersey store,

        22       any other store in their chain except those in

        23       the state of New York.  Because New York is

        24       adopting this standard alone.

        25                  And why?  Because New York is


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         1       attempting to comply with clean air standards

         2       that are required by the federal government,

         3       primarily in the larger metropolitan area,

         4       which we recognize and are all trying to

         5       comply with.

         6                  It is not an issue of critical

         7       public health.  Otherwise, the DEC

         8       commissioner wouldn't be recommending it.

         9       Otherwise, the Governor wouldn't be indicating

        10       his concurrence with the extension.  And the

        11       health commissioner would certainly be

        12       intervening to protect the children and the

        13       people of the state of New York.

        14                  It is not about profits for small

        15       businesses, it's simply about recovering a

        16       loss that's being imposed upon them for the

        17       State of New York.  I think the approach is

        18       reasonable, it's prudent.  Frankly, would I

        19       prefer to have it longer?  Yes, I would.  But

        20       this is the compromise negotiated.  It's an

        21       appropriate response by Commissioner Grannis

        22       to an issue that was raised during his

        23       confirmation.

        24                  And I would suggest we all just

        25       take a reasonable, balanced approach to it and


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         1       move forward.  No one, but no one, is in

         2       jeopardy with this legislation.

         3                  I vote aye.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         5       Connor.

         6                  SENATOR CONNOR:    Thank you,

         7       Mr. President.

         8                  And I want to thank my colleagues

         9       for the explanations.  I think Senator

        10       Morahan's explanation made it quite clear to

        11       me what's happened here.

        12                  And I certainly understand the

        13       plight of the small retailers, the small

        14       hardware stores.  You don't sell a lot of

        15       paint in the Adirondacks in January.  You do

        16       sell a lot at the end of May and June.  I have

        17       some painting to do myself.  And I guess there

        18       will be some good sales.

        19                  But it's clear that this product is

        20       not a good one to have over time, but there's

        21       no imminent danger.  And if anyone is to be

        22       faulted here, perhaps it's the last

        23       administration's DEC, which I now realize,

        24       from what Senator Morahan explained, may have

        25       been overly accommodating to the manufacturers


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         1       in allowing them to continue to manufacture

         2       for a period of two years and put that into

         3       the retail stream so that here we are now.

         4                  And I don't think profits should

         5       come ahead of health.  We're not talking about

         6       anybody's profits here.  We're talking about

         7       people who are going to bear a loss.  And for

         8       those small retailers, they exist on very

         9       small economic margins.

        10                  The fact is all the profit-takers,

        11       Mr. President, took their profit.  The

        12       manufacturers made their money, they got to

        13       manufacture it for an additional two years and

        14       dumped the product into the stream.  The large

        15       retailers are going to make their profits.

        16       They'll make it now in Pennsylvania and

        17       New Jersey and elsewhere, by shipping the

        18       product there.  And it's really only the

        19       little guy who's going to get stuck.

        20                  And I really doubt, given this

        21       deadline, that any of these small hardware

        22       stores or paint stores, general stores, which

        23       sell paint in a lot of areas, that they're

        24       going to look to make a profit on this.

        25       They're going to look to get it off their


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         1       shelves.  They're going to look to get back

         2       what they already spent and avoid a loss.

         3                  So it's this is not about profits,

         4       it's about avoiding a loss for the smallest

         5       players in the scene.  And if anyone is to be

         6       criticized, it's the DEC, who, knowing two or

         7       three years this was a bad product, still

         8       allowed its manufacture and introduction into

         9       the retail stream in New York State.

        10                  So this bill is a reasonable

        11       compromise, and I intend to support it.  I see

        12       no imminent danger in allowing this paint to

        13       be sold until July 16th.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        15       Klein.

        16                  SENATOR KLEIN:    On the bill,

        17       Mr. President.

        18                  I certainly have a lot of

        19       questions.  I appreciate Senator Morahan's

        20       response as to the process of how we came to

        21       this place.  But I would think -- I'm not

        22       chair of the Environmental Protection

        23       Committee, but I would think that this is not

        24       a very common practice in New York State for

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         1       assume there was a report that was done, there

         2       was reasons.

         3                  And what I would also like to know

         4       is -- one of the questions is, why isn't it

         5       that this is a product that's banned

         6       nationally if there is a danger?  I don't

         7       think these questions are unreasonable.

         8                  And before we have the opportunity

         9       to vote on a piece of legislation like this, I

        10       think it's incumbent upon all of us to really

        11       know all these reasons.  You know, I've been

        12       someone who spent a long time on consumer

        13       issues, especially a lot of them with one of

        14       my colleagues, Senator Fuschillo.  And again,

        15       this is something that I think goes to the

        16       very health and safety of the residents of

        17       New York State.

        18                  And I certainly understand the

        19       plight of small business.  But then again, I

        20       have to ask the question, why isn't the

        21       manufacturer making these small businesses

        22       whole?  There's a lot of questions here.

        23                  Another question I think has to be,

        24       do now these small businesses have an

        25       affirmative duty to warn the potential


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         1       purchaser that this was something that was

         2       banned in New York State by DEC?

         3                  You know, I think it's absolutely

         4       insane for us to be passing a piece of

         5       legislation unless we have answers to all of

         6       these questions.  So I respectfully vote no,

         7       Mr. President.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         9       Bonacic.

        10                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Thank you,

        11       Mr. President.

        12                  You know the debate today, to me

        13       it's a tempest in a teapot.  And the tone that

        14       I'm hearing from the other side -- not all the

        15       members -- is that small businesses are making

        16       a profit at the expense of the health of our

        17       citizen citizens.  I bet the air in New York

        18       City every day that you breathe is more

        19       dangerous than this paint.

        20                  I know of no one in the last twenty

        21       years that used this paint that has suffered,

        22       as people do with respiratory illness from the

        23       air in New York City.

        24                  But I'm not here to give a sermon.

        25       I just want to talk about balance and common


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         1       sense.  I want to remind my colleagues that

         2       small businesses create 90 percent of the jobs

         3       in the state of New York.  Every one of us in

         4       this room, as government officials, do not

         5       create one cent of wealth.  I could not pay

         6       your salary or you pay my salary.  Private

         7       sector pays our salary from their activities.

         8       That's what enables us to do the good things

         9       that we do in education, in healthcare, in

        10       transportation, in everything else.

        11                  And you know what?  The small

        12       businesses have said:  We're in a jam.  Some

        13       of us are going to take a beating, as Senator

        14       Connor said.  Not a profit, but a beating.

        15       Mainly upstate.  Most of these stores for the

        16       most part are little independent hardware

        17       stores.  And they're saying give us an

        18       accommodation, give us 60 days to get rid of

        19       the product.  That's what they're asking.

        20       It's a matter of balance.  And I happen to

        21       think it's reasonable.

        22                  If the DEC put July as the final

        23       date to get the stuff off, would we be having

        24       this debate?  Would anybody be dying in the 60

        25       days?  So come on, let's be practical.  It's


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         1       simply an accommodation for small businesses,

         2       who create the wealth for us and create the

         3       economic vitality for this state to function.

         4       That's what this is about.  A tempest in a

         5       teapot.

         6                  I vote yes.  Thank you,

         7       Mr. President.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         9       Perkins.

        10                  SENATOR PERKINS:    Thank you,

        11       Mr. President.

        12                  First of all, I want to thank my

        13       colleague Senator Duane for raising this

        14       issue.

        15                  It's a remarkable discussion that's

        16       been going on.  It's clear from the discussion

        17       that this paint had no business on the market

        18       to begin with.  And it seems to me that this

        19       is not about business as much as it's about

        20       environmental and health issues.

        21                  Ten thousand children are poisoned

        22       by lead paint every year in this state.

        23       Crippled for life.  How many children are

        24       going to be poisoned by this paint that has

        25       been outlawed because it's unhealthy and it's


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         1       dangerous?

         2                  Now, I hear that our new

         3       commissioner and our new Governor have

         4       endorsed this bill and the extension for the

         5       use of this paint.  I'm disturbed and alarmed

         6       to hear that.  I hope you're wrong.  I do not

         7       believe that this Governor or this new

         8       commissioner should be supporting the

         9       extension of something that has clearly been

        10       outlawed as being dangerous in terms of

        11       people's health and safety.

        12                  So I don't see this as an attack on

        13       small business.  In fact, quite the opposite.

        14       I see this as an attack on the most vulnerable

        15       of our citizens; in fact, the future of our

        16       state, the children.  And I would like to know

        17       how many of our children are being crippled or

        18       suffering from the use of this paint and how

        19       long are we going to continue to allow this

        20       type of product to be extended or used in our

        21       state.

        22                  I think that the Senator from

        23       Brooklyn, Senator Adams, makes a good point,

        24       that we don't have the right to be balancing

        25       people's profits at the expense of the health


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         1       of our children.

         2                  And I think that while these small

         3       owners may not be the culprits in this

         4       picture, nevertheless something has to be done

         5       to protect those who are most vulnerable and

         6       most likely to be hurt by this product.

         7                  So I can't -- as much as I support

         8       small businesses, I can't see supporting the

         9       extension.  And in fact, I think it's

        10       outrageous that this product was ever on the

        11       market to begin with.  And so I will be voting

        12       no.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        14       Adams, do you wish to be heard again?

        15                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yes.

        16                  You know, there's probably a level

        17       of urgency in my tone because I heard those

        18       famous terms so often:  No danger, don't

        19       worry, everything is okay.  I think about the

        20       number of police officers I supervised down at

        21       9/11.  I heard Christine Whitman say:  Oh, no

        22       danger, just breathe the air, don't worry

        23       about a face mask.  Now they have cancer.  Now

        24       no one wants to give them the money they need

        25       for health insurance.


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         1                  I heard no danger when my cousin

         2       went over to Vietnam and Agent Orange was

         3       poisoning the air.  No danger, everything is

         4       all right.

         5                  No danger when lead paint was

         6       painted in our community and our kids were

         7       dying.  No danger, just move nice and calm.

         8                  No danger if you smoke a pack a

         9       day.  It's all right, it's just a little

        10       smoke.  Everything is -- just move quickly and

        11       nicely.  No danger.

        12                  The heck with no danger.  The

        13       erosion of our society is not an instant

        14       process.  It's the slow dismantling of our

        15       environment.  When the heck are we going to

        16       catch on?  Our society is eroding.  All over

        17       the globe people are talking about what is

        18       happening in our society.  One year I'm in

        19       Alaska looking at the icebergs; next year I go

        20       there, the darn place is melting.  And we sit

        21       here saying no danger.  So what?  Take our

        22       time.

        23                  I can't buy that.  If anything, we

        24       should be aggressive to go after those

        25       manufacturers and demand that they reimburse


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         1       these small businesses.  There may be possible

         2       legal ramifications for what took place, that

         3       they intentionally sold paint that they knew

         4       was banned in New York City.

         5                  This is what we should be talking

         6       about.  If that paint did not sell in two

         7       years, it's not going to sell in two months.

         8       Who are we kidding?  And I'm hearing -- I

         9       can't believe what I'm hearing.

        10                  Nonprofits take care of the least

        11       among us.  So we're saying give it to the

        12       nonprofits.  Public housing are not those CEOs

        13       on Wall Street.  Those are the least among us.

        14       Put it in public housing.  Do we hear what

        15       we're saying?

        16                  And how dare Senator Perkins and

        17       Senator Adams stand up and think about Agent

        18       Orange, cigarette smoke, 9/11.  We've heard

        19       this before:  Don't worry, be happy.  It's no

        20       major thing.  We can't have these small

        21       businesses lose their profits.  Let's make

        22       sure we sponsor them.

        23                  It's wrong.  It's wrong.  And I

        24       think if anything, if we should do anything

        25       today, we should ensure that an investigation


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         1       takes place so we will set the tone for future

         2       behaviors.  When you know a product is banned

         3       in New York City, to continue to sell it -- we

         4       should make sure that doesn't take place.  And

         5       if it's sold in Pennsylvania, if it's sold in

         6       Maryland, if it's sold in California, you know

         7       what?  I'm not elected to the state senate of

         8       those areas.  I'm elected to the state senate

         9       of New York.  The agencies in New York make a

        10       determination that the product is illegal, it

        11       is not healthy, that's the body I'm going to

        12       listen to.

        13                  Because I'm not a scientist, I'm

        14       not a doctor.  I don't know what are the

        15       ramifications.  I'm a Senator from a small

        16       place in central Brooklyn.  The experts we

        17       hired to make this determination said it's

        18       wrong.  And no matter what you tell me, it's

        19       not going to change in two months, it's not

        20       going to change if it's on the walls of 40

        21       projects, it's not going to change if it's on

        22       the wall of some nonprofit in Troy, New York.

        23                  It's dangerous.  It's dangerous.

        24       And the danger is not going to change no

        25       matter how much someone lose money.  It's


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         1       wrong.  And what we're doing today is wrong.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         3       Bonacic, why do you rise?

         4                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Senator Adams,

         5       would you yield to a question?

         6                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yes, I will.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    He

         8       yields, Senator Bonacic.

         9                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Is there any

        10       memo in opposition from any health

        11       organization or health official as to the

        12       dangers that you are speaking about with

        13       respect to the substance of this bill?  That

        14       you know of.

        15                  SENATOR ADAMS:    When I stood up,

        16       Senator, and I questioned what was taking

        17       place, it was because I didn't have knowledge.

        18       So I based my knowledge on the person who

        19       sponsored the bill and on the agency that

        20       stated it was dangerous.

        21                  Now, if that agency is saying it's

        22       no longer dangerous, then I'll vote for this

        23       bill.  But until that agency tells me it is no

        24       longer dangerous, then there's no reason for

        25       me to vote for the bill.


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         1                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Will you

         2       continue to yield to another question?

         3                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yes, I will.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    He

         5       yields.

         6                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Has there been

         7       any environmental watchdog or agency -- I'm

         8       not talking about DEC now -- that has weighed

         9       in in opposition to this bill that would

        10       extend the 60 days, creating a danger to the

        11       environment?

        12                  SENATOR ADAMS:    There was a

        13       terminology that I coined several months ago,

        14       "trickology."  Who knew this was coming

        15       through?  Who knew this was coming through?

        16       It's important for me to call these

        17       environmentalist groups that I respect and say

        18       what shall we do here.  How about letting us

        19       know what's coming through, not walking

        20       through these chambers and say, hey, guess

        21       what, we're going to drop this on your desk.

        22                  So are you aware, did you tell us

        23       this was coming through, to give me the right,

        24       as an elected official, to call my

        25       environmentalists and tell them what's going


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         1       on?

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    I would

         3       ask the members to please address their

         4       interaction to the chair.

         5                  Senator Bonacic.

         6                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Mr. President,

         7       I just would like to answer Senator Adams'

         8       question.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    You

        10       may, Senator Bonacic.

        11                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Yes.  From my

        12       experience in Albany, environmental groups,

        13       healthcare groups, they are much more ahead in

        14       watching everything that happens with bills as

        15       they come before this body.

        16                  So I would suggest to you that they

        17       know the bill before we know about it.  And I

        18       have not seen any memos in opposition from any

        19       healthcare organization or any environmental

        20       organization with respect to the substance of

        21       this bill.  Have you?

        22                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Mr. President,

        23       may I respond to his question?

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    You may

        25       respond.  You have the floor.


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         1                  SENATOR ADAMS:    First of all,

         2       Senator, if I had the staff allocation that

         3       you do, my staff would have better ability to

         4       find out many more things that you're able to

         5       find out.  But as you know, I'm not funded as

         6       good as you are to have that staff.

         7                  Nonetheless, it is important that

         8       we are aware prior to a bill being introduced,

         9       particularly of this magnitude and impact on

        10       the environment that we live in and breathe,

        11       that we are aware of it so we can call those

        12       agencies.

        13                  I don't know if the agencies are

        14       aware that this information -- or these

        15       organizations are aware that this bill is here

        16       today.  This was a bill that we walked in.  I

        17       found out the first time this bill was going

        18       to be introduced when I walked inside this

        19       chamber.  That's wrong.

        20                  And if I had that information

        21       beforehand, then I could respond to your

        22       question in a more effective manner.  But I

        23       didn't have that information.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        25       Bonacic.


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         1                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Just one other

         2       point, Senator Adams, if I may.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Will

         4       the Senator continue to yield?

         5                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yes, I will.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         7       Bonacic.

         8                  SENATOR BONACIC:    I agree with

         9       you that you should have the same allocation

        10       as every other Senator here.  That's point

        11       number one.

        12                  But point number two, whether you

        13       had allocations or not, the watchdog groups

        14       give these memos in opposition not connected

        15       to resources to our Senate office.  You

        16       realize that; right?

        17                  In other words, they do this on

        18       their own, with their own resources.  We don't

        19       trigger these reports from healthcare

        20       officials or environmental groups when it

        21       comes to memos in opposition to bills that are

        22       before us.  You realize that, do you not?

        23                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Is that a

        24       rhetorical question, or do you want me to

        25       reply?


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         1                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Well, let's

         2       just leave it at a rhetorical question.  I

         3       thank you for your courtesy, Senator.

         4                  Thank you, Mr. President.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         6       Adams, on the bill.

         7                  SENATOR ADAMS:    May I respond to

         8       the Senator?

         9                  Watchdog groups and the

        10       environmental organizations have a role to

        11       assist us in shaping the policies and the

        12       decisions we make on the Senate floor.

        13       Governmental agencies have the responsibility

        14       to represent our concerns.

        15                  The governmental agency that stated

        16       the paint was dangerous made that

        17       determination.  And that is when I first stood

        18       up to ask the sponsor of the bill, how do we

        19       arrive here?  The sponsor of the bill shared

        20       with me not a watchdog group, not a special

        21       interest group, but a governmental agency made

        22       the determination that the paint was

        23       dangerous.

        24                  And what I attempted to share with

        25       my colleagues, there's historical data that


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         1       shows -- from Christine Whitman telling the

         2       police officers, the firefighters everything

         3       is fine while they're breathing in toxic air,

         4       to cigarette manufacturers stating it's all

         5       right to smoke a pack a day -- we have

         6       historical data that shows individuals decide

         7       that profit is more important than the safety

         8       of the public.  And we are the body that's in

         9       charge of saying no.

        10                  And for us to believe that the mere

        11       fact that the paint is not sold out of a ma

        12       and pa or a big box store, that the danger

        13       level is going to change, that's wrong.  And I

        14       disagree with that.

        15                  And that is why, after speaking to

        16       the sponsor, hearing the debates, that I made

        17       the determination that my community that I

        18       represent comes first.  And that's why I will

        19       be voting no.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Thank

        21       you, Senator Adams.

        22                  Senator Saland.

        23                  SENATOR SALAND:    Thank you,

        24       Mr. President.

        25                  Mr. President, would Senator Adams


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         1       yield to a question?

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         3       Adams, will you yield for a question?

         4                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yes, I will.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         6       Saland.

         7                  SENATOR SALAND:    Senator Adams, I

         8       believe you said that government agencies have

         9       a responsibility, and I believe that means to

        10       afford protection to one or another group or

        11       to a community.  Is that correct?

        12                  SENATOR ADAMS:    No, I don't know

        13       how you interpret my statement to say that.

        14       That's not what I stated.

        15                  SENATOR SALAND:    Well, your words

        16       were, and I lost you, "government agencies

        17       have a responsibility."  And then you went on

        18       to say "and a government agency made the

        19       determination that this paint was dangerous."

        20                  SENATOR ADAMS:    That's exactly

        21       what I stated.

        22                  SENATOR SALAND:    Which government

        23       organization was that?

        24                  SENATOR ADAMS:    DEC.  The agency

        25       that --


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         1                  SENATOR SALAND:    And then if I

         2       heard you correctly, you talked about the

         3       terrible things that happened in the aftermath

         4       of 9/11.  You made reference to Christie

         5       Whitman and firefighters breathing in toxic

         6       air, did you not?

         7                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yes, I did.

         8                  SENATOR SALAND:    And that has

         9       sensitized all of us, has it not?  If we

        10       weren't concerned before, we certainly should

        11       be concerned now, would that not be --

        12                  SENATOR ADAMS:    No, I disagree.

        13       I felt that you're not sensitized, because

        14       you're doing the same thing that Christine

        15       Whitman did.  So --

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        17       Connor, why do you rise?

        18                  SENATOR CONNOR:    I rise for a

        19       point of order.

        20                  I'm getting a little confused here

        21       because of repeated questions without anyone

        22       yielding.  It wasn't clear to me in the last

        23       dialogue who had the floor.  It couldn't have

        24       been Senator Adams, because he would have

        25       spoken three times.


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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         2       Connor, Senator Adams has yielded to Senator

         3       Saland for questions.

         4                  So what is your point of order,

         5       sir?

         6                  SENATOR CONNOR:    They're asking

         7       repeated questions.  They have to ask them

         8       through the chair, Mr. President.  And they're

         9       not doing that.  And that is --

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    I

        11       remind the members --

        12                  SENATOR SALAND:    If I've been

        13       inappropriate, Senator Connor, I certainly

        14       apologize and will direct my questions through

        15       the chair.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        17       Saland, do you --

        18                  SENATOR SALAND:    Thank you,

        19       Mr. President.

        20                  Do we agree, Senator Adams, that

        21       there is an agency, and you referred to that

        22       agency as DEC, that is responsible for

        23       ensuring in this particular case that we're

        24       safe?

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator


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         1       Adams.

         2                  SENATOR ADAMS:    I'm sorry, can

         3       you repeat that question?  I didn't actually

         4       understand it.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Will

         6       you kindly repeat the question, Senator

         7       Saland?

         8                  SENATOR SALAND:    Do we both agree

         9       that the agency, the relevant agency that is

        10       responsible for ensuring that we are safe from

        11       the kinds of toxic threats that you're

        12       concerned about is DEC?

        13                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yes.  Yes,

        14       Mr. President.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        16       Saland.

        17                  SENATOR SALAND:    And are we

        18       also -- through you, Mr. President, are we

        19       also -- again, however aware we are today --

        20       even more keenly aware because of the very

        21       events that you mentioned, the aftermath of

        22       9/11, the toxic fumes or air that were

        23       breathed by firefighters, by police, by rescue

        24       workers?  Does that not heighten our

        25       awareness?


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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         2       Adams.

         3                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Through you,

         4       Mr. President, no, I don't.  I believe we're

         5       repeating the same mistakes that were made

         6       through some of the other issues that I

         7       indicated.  And I believe instead of our

         8       awareness being heightened, I think we're

         9       following the same steps of those who made

        10       mistakes in the past.

        11                  SENATOR SALAND:    Well --

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Do you

        13       continue to yield, Senator Adams?

        14                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Yes, I do.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        16       Saland.

        17                  SENATOR SALAND:    Through you,

        18       Mr. President, let me abbreviate this without

        19       trying to make this go on much more, because

        20       I'm sure it's painful for many people.

        21                  The question I would ask you, then,

        22       can we not repose confidence in DEC, the very

        23       agency that you say is the watchdog, that if

        24       this is as toxic of a menace as you seem to

        25       feel that it is, and it's such an immediate


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         1       threat to the health and well-being of all of

         2       us, that DEC will not go along with this

         3       proposal and will in fact say, to the

         4       Governor, Governor, reject it?

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         6       Adams.

         7                  SENATOR ADAMS:    May I respond?

         8                  Well, it is not my position, the

         9       level of toxicity of the item or the paint.

        10       That's not my position.

        11                  When I first stood up, I questioned

        12       the sponsor of the bill to help me understand

        13       what exactly DEC stated.  So maybe we need to

        14       hear from DEC why they're extending this

        15       period.  Is the level of danger going to

        16       decrease?  I need information so I can

        17       properly vote on a bill that's going to impact

        18       on our environment.

        19                  You're stating what DEC's position

        20       is.  You're stating what the Governor's

        21       position is and the commissioner's position

        22       is.  That's coming from the sponsor of the

        23       bill.  I didn't hear that from the Governor, I

        24       didn't hear that from the commissioner.

        25       There's no memo that came out from DEC that


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         1       states the danger is going to change.  I

         2       didn't receive any of that.

         3                  SENATOR SALAND:    Mr. President,

         4       just on a point of order, I never alluded to

         5       DEC saying anything.

         6                  I'm merely saying that Senator

         7       Adams professes to look to DEC, rightfully so,

         8       as the watchdog.  And I'm saying that if DEC

         9       is the watchdog, will it not draw a line in

        10       the sand and say no, this should not happen?

        11                  And I would think, if that in fact

        12       is the case, then you have your security

        13       blanket and we all can walk away feeling that

        14       we've done the right thing.  But, you know,

        15       that certainly is for you to determine.

        16       You've made your determination, and I

        17       obviously am not about to change your mind.

        18                  But I merely thought that it was

        19       important to in effect remind everybody that

        20       this is not in a vacuum.  This is a continuum

        21       of events, and they harken back not merely to

        22       cigarette smoking, they harken back not merely

        23       to the events of 9/11, but a whole range of

        24       events that have occurred that have certainly

        25       sensitized the general public, this


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         1       Legislature, and a host of others to the

         2       importance of being sound with respect to

         3       whatever it is that we're breathing in the

         4       air.

         5                  And I take comfort knowing that

         6       DEC, if in fact they feel that this somehow or

         7       other is an imminent threat to the health and

         8       well-being of the people of the State of

         9       New York, regardless of whatever age they may

        10       be, DEC will say no, this cannot be.  And if

        11       DEC says, okay, two months is fine, then it

        12       can't be as imminent of a threat as some have

        13       portrayed it as being.

        14                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Thank

        16       you, Senator Saland.

        17                  Senator Adams.

        18                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Mr. President --

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        20       Adams, we have a recognized group.

        21                  Senator Connor, why do you rise?

        22                  Okay.  Any other Senator wishing to

        23       speak at this point in time?

        24                  Senator Marcellino, to close.

        25                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Thank you.


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         1                  With respect to notification, this

         2       bill was put out on the Thursday before the

         3       meeting of the Environmental Committee, which

         4       met on this past Tuesday, which is our normal

         5       procedure.  It was advertised.  Copies of the

         6       bill were sent out to all members of the

         7       committee.  The bill passed without a negative

         8       vote in the committee.  Members of the

         9       committee had a chance to read it, raise any

        10       questions or objections that they would have

        11       had.  None came.

        12                  What I have heard today is quite

        13       amazing.  I really am.  I didn't think

        14       anything could shock Tom Duane, but I guess he

        15       gets shocked today.

        16                  The DEC, the watchdog, the health

        17       commissioner, the watchdogs, say this 60 days

        18       isn't going to hurt anybody.  They've said

        19       that, Senator.  Not Carl Marcellino, not John

        20       Bonacic, not Jim Wright, not anybody else in

        21       this room.

        22                  The bill would never have come out,

        23       would never have moved forward if we didn't

        24       have the approval of the commissioner and of

        25       the Governor and of the Assembly.  Hardly


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         1       bastions of anti-environmentalism.  I don't

         2       think you can accuse any of those agencies as

         3       being, you know, agencies that would come out

         4       and do anything that they would consider to be

         5       a threat to public health or a threat to the

         6       State of New York or a threat to anybody.

         7                  It's an accommodation that has been

         8       made to help some people out.  That's all it

         9       is.  It's a very simple little bill.  It

        10       should not have garnered this kind of, quite

        11       frankly, in some cases disingenuous

        12       extrapolation of language that I've heard

        13       here.  We've gotten off on to Agent Orange,

        14       equating these paint cans -- the walls in your

        15       offices are painted with this stuff.  The

        16       walls of your houses are probably painted with

        17       this stuff.  The walls of your apartments are

        18       painted with this stuff, and have been for

        19       years.  And will be for years again.  Every

        20       other state around us is selling this paint

        21       now and will continue to sell it.

        22                  Some arbitrary decision was made, a

        23       date was picked.  People came and said give us

        24       60 more days.  Everybody agreed.  All the

        25       watchdogs agreed to do this.  Otherwise, we


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         1       wouldn't have done the bill.  Simple as that.

         2                  Ladies and gentlemen, based on

         3       that, I just don't see the need for all of

         4       this.  I really don't.  We should vote aye on

         5       this bill, move it on, get it done and move on

         6       to issues of real import.  I intend to vote

         7       aye and urge everyone else to do the same.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

         9       debate is closed.

        10                  The Secretary will ring the bell.

        11                  Read the last section.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        13       act shall take effect immediately.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Call

        15       the roll.

        16                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        18       Stewart-Cousins, to explain her vote.

        19                  SENATOR STEWART-COUSINS:    This

        20       has been one of these I think debates that go

        21       beyond the rhetoric and goes to policy.  And

        22       what I hear, as I listened to my colleagues

        23       discussing this, is policy.

        24                  The reality is yes, the DEC is the

        25       watchdog.  And it takes a very long time for


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         1       these watchdogs to make a decision to say that

         2       something is very dangerous.  So the fact that

         3       DEC has said this is dangerous says something

         4       to me.

         5                  Now, are we going to respect the

         6       decision of a DEC, or are we going to allow

         7       DEC or other watchdogs to decide, well, maybe

         8       not this week, maybe a month from now, maybe

         9       two months from now?

        10                  I oppose changing the date on

        11       something that has been certified by the DEC

        12       as dangerous.  I think it's an important

        13       policy discussion that we decide that when

        14       something comes to our attention as dangerous,

        15       it should be understood to be that.  And we

        16       should respect that and not second-guess and

        17       third-guess and mediate.

        18                  I think, as a policy, our

        19       Legislature has to decide whether we believe

        20       DEC or any other watchdog.  And at this point

        21       I agree with the first decision that the

        22       watchdog made.  I will be voting no because I

        23       think our policy is that we must respect the

        24       health and safety of our community.

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator


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         1       Stewart-Cousins in the negative.

         2                  Senator Schneiderman, to explain

         3       his vote.

         4                  I would remind the members of the

         5       two-minute rule, too, in explanations.

         6                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you,

         7       Mr. President.  Explaining my vote.

         8                  I'm going to vote no on this also.

         9       And I think that this debate actually reflects

        10       something that we should be more concerned

        11       about here.  There are two issues that have

        12       been addressed.  The first is process, and the

        13       second question, quite honestly, is prejudice.

        14                  Now, process, as Senator Duane I

        15       think clearly laid out, the process by which

        16       this bill has come forward and the lack of

        17       input and the lack of information available to

        18       us -- even apparently available to the bill's

        19       sponsor -- I think is the kind of thing that

        20       makes people cynical about us and that gets

        21       this Legislature rated over and over again as

        22       the most dysfunctional in the country.  Let's

        23       slow down and do our job carefully.

        24                  But the second, and I say this

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         1       other side of the aisle, I think sometimes we

         2       have a tendency to underestimate prejudice in

         3       the distribution of toxic substances in our

         4       state.

         5                  And I think the concern of some of

         6       my colleagues is that, as Senator Adams said,

         7       not-for-profits who care for the least among

         8       us, our children, shouldn't be once again

         9       given a toxic substance to use.

        10                  The problems of lead paint, the

        11       problems of other pollutants, the problems of

        12       asthma in inner-city communities caused by the

        13       location of bus depots and everything, there

        14       is a problem of prejudice in our environmental

        15       policies.

        16                  And I think that it is a tribute to

        17       the people who have spoken here today that we

        18       are keeping our eyes on the ball, we our doing

        19       our jobs as legislators.

        20                  Just the fact that there is one

        21       watchdog on duty does not mean that this house

        22       does not have an obligation to serve as that

        23       additional watchdog for which we were elected

        24       and which I'm proud to count as one of my

        25       functions.


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         1                  Even with the great DEC

         2       commissioner -- although I think Senator

         3       Maziarz believes he's too much under the

         4       influence of corporate power, but in fact some

         5       of us think he's a pretty good guy -- we're

         6       trying to help him do his job better and make

         7       sure that the environmentalism is not just in

         8       our rural areas in this state but it extends

         9       to the inner-city neighborhoods where far too

        10       often toxic substances have been allowed to

        11       reside years after they're banned in other

        12       areas.

        13                  I'm voting no, Mr. President, and

        14       I'm proud of the debate we've had here today.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        16       Schneiderman in the negative.

        17                  Senator Duane, to explain his vote.

        18                  SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you,

        19       Mr. President.

        20                  You know, I actually think DEC

        21       probably did the best job they could in trying

        22       to negotiate their way out of this.  You know,

        23       and I have to say that I was very proud to

        24       vote to confirm this commissioner, and I think

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         1       legislator.  And I think he's so far been an

         2       excellent commissioner.

         3                  But you know what?  The buck stops

         4       here.  This is where the final decision gets

         5       made.  So we are responsible.

         6                  You know, to make this debate

         7       between health and small business is wrong.

         8       We should do something to help small

         9       businesses.  Tax credits.  There are other

        10       ways out of this horrendous mess.

        11                  You know, again, asbestos, lead,

        12       creosote.  I mean, we know now these things

        13       are bad.  Opening up these cans apparently is

        14       extremely dangerous.  I really encourage my

        15       colleagues to vote no on this to send a strong

        16       signal that we actually want to protect kids,

        17       workers who open up these cans.  It's not a

        18       matter of only what are we going to do about

        19       small businesses, it's protecting the health

        20       and safety of all of our citizens.

        21                  I vote no, Mr. President.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        23       Duane in the negative.

        24                  Senator Stachowski, to explain his

        25       vote.


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         1                  SENATOR STACHOWSKI:    Yes,

         2       Mr. President, I'd just like to rise in

         3       support of this bill.

         4                  I believe that this -- this topic

         5       actually came up during then Assemblyman

         6       Grannis's confirmation hearing.  And quite to

         7       the contrary of some of the debate here, it

         8       was brought up by people that represent more

         9       rural areas, because of little paint stores,

        10       et cetera.

        11                  And they asked if he would look

        12       into this.  And even though many of them voted

        13       no, saying that they don't believe he cares

        14       about those particular areas, the fact is that

        15       he has looked into this.

        16                  DEC I don't believe would allow an

        17       extender for another minute if this paint was

        18       as dangerous as some people are portraying it

        19       to be, or if it was that dangerous to open the

        20       can.  I just think they don't want this

        21       product used any more in the future.

        22                  I think this product will be off

        23       the market.  I don't think they would allow

        24       them to have a compromise to donate paint to

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         1       the exposure is on them.  And the fact is if

         2       they are, in fact, in any way opposed to this,

         3       they will suggest to the Governor that he

         4       vetoes the bill.

         5                  But my information is to the

         6       contrary, that this is a compromise that has

         7       been worked out with the new commissioner and

         8       the experts at DEC, that the danger is not

         9       there.  That if there was a danger,

        10       not-for-profits wouldn't be getting this

        11       paint.  And I just don't see that the DEC

        12       would be the author of something that would be

        13       a danger to the people that are serviced by

        14       not-for-profits.

        15                  So because of those reasons, and

        16       because of the fact that it's Pete Grannis's

        17       first time to bat, he's risen up and found a

        18       solution to a problem that was brought to his

        19       attention that he did say he would look for, I

        20       vote aye.

        21                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        23       Stachowski in the affirmative.

        24                  Senator Liz Krueger, to explain her

        25       vote.


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         1                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    Thank you.

         2                  Well, I listened to the debate.

         3       And I don't think that this is really that

         4       much about who said the DEC commissioner one

         5       day or another.

         6                  I've been reading the history of

         7       the legislation, which actually goes back to

         8       the '70s.  And so I'm not sure if anyone here

         9       was here then back in 1972 when apparently we

        10       first started debating whether we should pull

        11       this stuff off the market.  And then it came

        12       and went in '73, in '88, in 2003, in 2006 as

        13       an emergency measure.  There's been a lot of

        14       discussion about this.

        15                  So on the one hand, I'll accept the

        16       argument two months more probably, in the

        17       realm of the history of this product, may not

        18       make a big difference and may help some small

        19       businesses.

        20                  And yet I find myself ultimately

        21       voting no because this went through years and

        22       years apparently in this house and the other,

        23       and I assume with various Governors, of when

        24       we were finally closing the door on this.  And

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         1       arbitrary date, but we picked the date.

         2                  And I'm a little concerned about

         3       the discussion around small businesses in the

         4       absence of really asking the hard questions,

         5       which also is too late for this Legislature, I

         6       feel, to deal with.  It was manufacturers that

         7       this bill applies to.  It says you can no

         8       longer manufacture products.  Well, the

         9       manufacturers knew that for a long time.  And

        10       yet if we have all these small businesses who

        11       suddenly have large inventories of this

        12       product, I suspect that manufacturers were

        13       quote, unquote, dumping their inventory at

        14       discounted prices to solve their economic

        15       problem, basically by transferring that cost

        16       and that responsibility and conceivably that

        17       liability to small businesses.

        18                  So I think everybody has a little

        19       guilt to share here.  And that DEC may have

        20       said, fine, two more months and we're done

        21       with this.  And that's fine.  And I respect

        22       the concern about small businesses suddenly

        23       being caught in this.  I respect very much the

        24       concern of my colleagues who say we don't look

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         1       communities to our children and our people.

         2       And we can all name long histories of our

         3       doing too little, too late on protecting our

         4       environment.  I suppose you could even argue

         5       that's a theme of our country right now in

         6       this world, too little, too late on our

         7       environment.  So --

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         9       Krueger, how do you vote?

        10                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    I will vote

        11       no.  And --

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        13       Krueger, we would like to respect the rules of

        14       the house today for explanations.  You're

        15       beyond the two minutes.

        16                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    Certainly.

        17       Thank you, Mr. President.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        19       Liz Krueger in the negative.

        20                  Senator Hassell-Thompson, to

        21       explain her vote.

        22                  SENATOR HASSELL-THOMPSON:

        23       Senator Krueger has articulated very clearly

        24       the major concern that I have.  I just will

        25       say that I will be voting no as well.


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         1                  Thank you, Mr. President.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         3       Hassell-Thompson in the negative.

         4                  Senator Adams.

         5                  SENATOR PARKER:    No, Senator

         6       Parker.  We look alike.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         8       Parker.  Excuse me, Senator Adams.

         9                  Senator Parker, to explain his

        10       vote.

        11                  SENATOR PARKER:    Mr. President, I

        12       rise to vote no.  I know everybody is saying

        13       well, this is not as dangerous as they

        14       suspect.  Well, if it wasn't that dangerous,

        15       why are we taking it off the market?

        16                  When we stopped smoking indoors in

        17       this state, we were all very proud of that.  I

        18       think we all continue to be very proud of it.

        19       We didn't say, oh, well, there are some people

        20       who haven't quit smoking yet so let's continue

        21       to, you know, allow people to smoke.  We

        22       didn't say that there are some people who, you

        23       know, still haven't kicked the habit, we have

        24       small businesses who are still selling

        25       cigarettes and we don't want to hurt their


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         1       profits, so let's continue to let people smoke

         2       indoors and endanger all of us.

         3                  So to rise now and to say that this

         4       can't be more of a danger in two more months,

         5       and it will be two more months -- and I don't

         6       believe in the slippery slope that we're

         7       creating here:  two months here and then in

         8       two more months we'll be back asking for two

         9       more months and two more months after that.

        10                  And if people don't think that the

        11       government does bad things, I want people to

        12       go back and look at the U.S. experiment on

        13       African-Americans at a college called

        14       Tuskegee.  And the government then knowingly

        15       let a group of men suffer with syphilis for

        16       over five years.

        17                  So, you know, when folks are

        18       talking about well, you know, we wouldn't do

        19       this and agencies would never endanger the

        20       lives of human beings -- and certainly when I

        21       hear my colleagues talking about, you know,

        22       we're going to take paint that we have banned,

        23       we know is dangerous, and we're going to put

        24       it into affordable housing, who lives in

        25       affordable housing?  Sounds like the Tuskegee


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         1       experiment to me.

         2                  So I'm voting no, and I urge my

         3       colleagues to vote no as well.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         5       Parker in the negative.

         6                  Senator Perkins.

         7                  SENATOR PERKINS:    Thank you very

         8       much.

         9                  I just want to again raise my

        10       concerns about something that had no business

        11       being on the market -- poisoning or somehow or

        12       other being a problem from a health point of

        13       view -- being taken off the market, and now we

        14       are fighting to keep it on the market for

        15       however long the commissioner says we should.

        16                  I think this is a dangerous

        17       precedent for us to be doing this.  Some

        18       people argue that we're the only state in the

        19       country that seems to have a problem with

        20       this.  That's not the measure to determine

        21       whether or not something is healthy or

        22       unhealthy.

        23                  I know for years and years we

        24       talked about lead paint poisoning, and

        25       businesspeople argued vigorously in every way


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         1       that they could to keep lead paint on the

         2       market, despite the fact that the health

         3       experts, the environmentalists and everyone

         4       else was telling us that these children were

         5       being poisoned, crippled for life, unable to

         6       get an education.

         7                  So I think we have to be very

         8       careful with that kind of history when we

         9       start delaying taking off the market something

        10       that has been determined to be unhealthy.  And

        11       we have to watch out that when we use

        12       business, especially small-business arguments

        13       for the purpose of delaying something in that

        14       respect.

        15                  And I think it's also, as was

        16       pointed out more than once, weird that we

        17       would be asking that this stuff be given to

        18       not-for-profits.  If it's not good, it's not

        19       good.  Period.  And I think that this may be

        20       another reason for us to have hearings, to

        21       have -- this is a subject that we could have

        22       called upon all the experts, the

        23       environmentalists, including the commissioner

        24       and others, so that there could be a clear

        25       understanding about how dangerous this really


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         1       is.

         2                  And so clearly I'm opposed to this

         3       and very concerned that our commissioner, who

         4       I supported, who I continue to support, made

         5       such a decision allegedly with the endorsement

         6       also of the Governor, which I'm concerned that

         7       he would be a party to this.  I don't care

         8       who's the Governor or who's the commissioner.

         9       To support something that has been determined

        10       to be unhealthy to me is wrong.  So I'm

        11       opposing this legislation.

        12                  Thank you so much.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        14       Perkins in the negative.

        15                  Senator Klein, to explain his vote.

        16                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Thank you,

        17       Mr. President.

        18                  I had the honor of serving for

        19       10 years in the Assembly with now Commissioner

        20       Pete Grannis.  And you want to know something?

        21       Pete Grannis would have been the first person

        22       to get up today and question this information

        23       and find out why we're voting on this

        24       legislation today.

        25                  I don't think this is a litmus test


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         1       on whether or not we're helping small

         2       business.  Because by not having the

         3       information that we need, we may be hurting

         4       business.  As I mentioned I think earlier, are

         5       we requiring that these businesses notify

         6       whoever they're giving this product to, a

         7       not-for-profit, that this potentially may be

         8       dangerous?  There's a whole host of questions

         9       that we don't have answered.

        10                  And I thank all of my colleagues --

        11       Senator Adams, in raising his concerns about

        12       the effects of people down at Ground Zero at

        13       9/11; Senator Perkins, who is truly one of the

        14       experts on the dangers of lead paint

        15       poisoning.  I think it's incumbent on us to

        16       question these things.  And I don't think

        17       anyone here doesn't want to help small

        18       business.  But I think we do have a right to

        19       know this information.

        20                  I think this goes to the process of

        21       this chamber.  In all this debate we've had

        22       here today, no one has yet to produce a letter

        23       explaining what are the dangers here, either

        24       through the DEC commissioner or anyone else.

        25                  I vote no, Mr. President.


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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         2       Klein in the negative.

         3                  The clerk will announce the

         4       results.

         5                  Senator Volker.

         6                  SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President,

         7       to explain my vote.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         9       Volker, to explain his vote.

        10                  SENATOR VOLKER:    I hesitate to do

        11       this.  I realize that this is really more of a

        12       political debate.

        13                  Senator Perkins, can I just tell

        14       you something about lead paint?  Lead paint's

        15       been banned since 1984.  I don't remember the

        16       business community ever objecting.  The reason

        17       we couldn't do statewide legislation basically

        18       is because some trial lawyers in New York City

        19       refused to allow a decline -- what they wanted

        20       was class actions so you could sue every

        21       housing group in New York City.

        22                  We did do some lead paint upgrades,

        23       dramatically.  I did it.  Arthur O. Eve and I

        24       worked very hard on lead paint.  I can tell

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         1       from doing it.  It wasn't business, because

         2       they had realized long before that it was a

         3       problem.

         4                  The problem here is this isn't

         5       really the DEC that caused this to happen, it

         6       was the EPA.  The EPA, in their scattershot

         7       information, said we have to come up with some

         8       sort of a plan.  One of the things is they

         9       said, Well, there's a couple of substances in

        10       this paint that could be dangerous.  Could be.

        11       They have no idea.  And by itself, it's not,

        12       by the way.  But it could be.

        13                  So the DEC said all right, maybe

        14       we'd better get rid of this stuff and they can

        15       get that stuff out of it and change it.

        16       That's what this is all about.  Nobody knows

        17       whether this is really dangerous or not or

        18       whatever it is.

        19                  But what's really happening here --

        20       and I understand this is sort of the political

        21       season.  The truth is, this is a good bill

        22       because -- and if you got everybody in, they

        23       would say we don't know if there's anything

        24       wrong with it.  But ultimately we should

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         1       sometime later on, have a problem.

         2                  So I vote aye.

         3                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         5       Volker in the affirmative.

         6                  Senator Skelos, to explain his

         7       vote.

         8                  SENATOR SKELOS:    If I could

         9       explain my vote.

        10                  Listening to the debate, and I

        11       guess I could say some of the comments

        12       against, it would be like watching paint dry.

        13       But I'm not going to do that.

        14                  But I'm going to support the bill.

        15       And certainly I'm not going to question those

        16       who are voting against it, although I do

        17       believe it's anti-small business.  And you

        18       have the right to express your views and your

        19       health concerns.

        20                  I'm going to take a little

        21       different approach in terms of priorities.

        22       Priorities, when we talk about healthcare, I'm

        23       just curious where the members of the Minority

        24       were when Governor Spitzer wanted to cut a

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         1       have devastated our hospitals, devastated our

         2       health delivery system, and not one word was

         3       said by many of the members who are now

         4       standing up in complete disbelief that

         5       Governor Spitzer would be supporting this type

         6       of legislation and that would be poisoning

         7       their kids.

         8                  We discussed the death penalty

         9       yesterday, and there were many comments made.

        10       And, Senator Adams, I don't believe as a

        11       former policeman you got up and spoke about --

        12       you voted against it, but you didn't speak

        13       about why you thought it wouldn't protect

        14       policemen.  And I think that's an appropriate

        15       place where we should have a lengthy

        16       discussion, and certainly your expertise as a

        17       policeman.

        18                  But again, I go back to the

        19       healthcare issue.  Where were you?  Sitting

        20       there quietly when Governor Spitzer gave you

        21       orders to vote no.

        22                  So I think there's progress today.

        23       We're starting to see some spine development

        24       with many of the members of the Minority who

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         1       If you're wrong, we're going to vote against

         2       you.

         3                  I beg your pardon?  Oh, judges'

         4       raises, too.

         5                  So I congratulate you on some of

         6       the spine that is being shown today, and I

         7       hope that you will continue to do it during

         8       the rest of the legislative process.

         9                  Mr. President, I vote aye.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

        11       Skelos in the affirmative.

        12                  Announce the results.

        13                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

        14       the negative on Calendar Number 969 are

        15       Senators Adams, Dilan, Duane, Gonzalez,

        16       Hassell-Thompson, Huntley, Klein, L. Krueger,

        17       Parker, Perkins, Sampson, Savino,

        18       Schneiderman, Serrano, Stewart-Cousins.

        19                  Absent from voting:  Senator C.

        20       Kruger.

        21                  Ayes, 44.  Nays, 15.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        23       bill is passed.

        24                  Senator Skelos, that completes the

        25       reading of the controversial calendar.


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         1                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Please recognize

         2       Senator Robach.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    Senator

         4       Robach.

         5                  SENATOR ROBACH:    Yes,

         6       Mr. President.  On page 51 I offer the

         7       following amendments to Calendar Number 781,

         8       Senate Print Number 5287, and ask that the

         9       said bill retain its place on the Third

        10       Reading Calendar.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    The

        12       amendments are received and adopted, and the

        13       bill will retain its place on the Third

        14       Reading Calendar.

        15                  Senator Skelos.

        16                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

        17       is there any further business to come before

        18       the Senate?

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    There

        20       is no further business, Senator Skelos.

        21                  SENATOR SKELOS:    There being

        22       none, I move we stand adjourned until Monday,

        23       May 21st, at 3:00 p.m., intervening days being

        24       legislative days.

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         1       request of Senator Skelos, I ask for order in

         2       the chamber, that we may have a moment of

         3       silence in memory of Yolanda Denise King, the

         4       daughter of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther

         5       King, Jr. and Coretta Scott King, who passed

         6       away today.

         7                  (Whereupon, the assemblage

         8       respected a moment of silence.)

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:    On

        10       motion, the Senate stands adjourned until

        11       Monday, May 21st, at 3:00 p.m., intervening

        12       days being legislative days.

        13                  (Whereupon, at 12:47 p.m., the

        14       Senate adjourned.)

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