Regular Session - April 2, 2008

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         1                 NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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         4                THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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         9                   ALBANY, NEW YORK

        10                     April 2, 2008

        11                      11:10 a.m.

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        14                    REGULAR SESSION

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        18  SENATOR THOMAS P. MORAHAN, Acting President

        19  STEVEN M. BOGGESS, Secretary

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         1                 P R O C E E D I N G S

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

         3       Senate will come to order.

         4                  I ask everyone present to please

         5       rise and join me in pledging allegiance to our

         6       Flag.

         7                  (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

         8       the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    In the

        10       absence of clergy, we'll we bow our heads in a

        11       moment of silence.

        12                  (Whereupon, the assemblage

        13       respected a moment of silence.)

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        15       reading of the Journal.

        16                  THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

        17       Tuesday, April 1, the Senate met pursuant to

        18       adjournment.  The Journal of Monday, March 31,

        19       was read and approved.  On motion, Senate

        20       adjourned.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        22       Without objection, the Journal stands approved

        23       as read.

        24                  Presentation of petitions.

        25                  Messages from the Assembly.



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         1                  Messages from the Governor.

         2                  Reports of standing committees.

         3                  Reports of select committees.

         4                  Communications and reports from

         5       state officers.

         6                  Motions and resolutions.

         7                  Senator Skelos.

         8                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         9       if we could go to the noncontroversial reading

        10       of the calendar.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        12       Secretary will read.

        13                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        14       325, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 6747, an

        15       act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law and

        16       others, in relation to enacting the "Child

        17       Sexual Abuse and Exploitation Act of 2008."

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        19       the last section.

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 59.  This

        21       act shall take effect on the first of

        22       November.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        24       the roll.

        25                  (The Secretary called the roll.)



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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

         2       Announce the results.

         3                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 41.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

         5       bill is passed.

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         7       399, by Senator Nozzolio, Senate Print 6908,

         8       an act to amend the Executive Law, in relation

         9       to directing the Division of Parole.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        11       the last section.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 5.  This

        13       act shall take effect immediately.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        15       the roll.

        16                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        18       Senator Schneiderman.

        19                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you,

        20       to explain my vote.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    To

        22       explain his vote.

        23                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    I think

        24       that this bill has some provisions that are

        25       commendable as far as transparency of the



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         1       parole process.  But it also has a provision

         2       which I think is something that no member of

         3       this house should vote for, requiring that

         4       three members of the Parole Board, instead of

         5       the current one, must interview a prisoner,

         6       and that it requires a unanimous vote of the

         7       Parole Board to release an offender.

         8                  The system of parole has been

         9       operating in this state for many, many

        10       decades.  It operates pretty well.  And I

        11       believe that trying to make it more -- this is

        12       obviously political in two senses.  It's

        13       designed to try and make it more difficult for

        14       people to obtain parole, which I think

        15       contravenes the express purposes of our system

        16       and of the parole process, which is to ensure

        17       that people who have served their time, who

        18       have shown evidence of rehabilitation can

        19       return to their communities and participate in

        20       the life of their communities as citizens

        21       again.

        22                  Except for a handful of people who

        23       die in prison, everyone gets out.  "They All

        24       Come Home" is the name of a book written by

        25       Jeremy Travis of John Jay College recently,



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         1       pointing out how we have to make better

         2       provisions in our state and in our country for

         3       reentry.

         4                  This bill I think is transparently

         5       political in a second sense also.  It seems to

         6       be designed so that hang-over appointees from

         7       the Pataki era can stymie the decisions of the

         8       new Governor's appointees to the Parole Board

         9       to release people who meet all the

        10       requirements for parole.

        11                  The case law is clear; parole is

        12       not supposed to be resentencing.  Parole is

        13       about conduct in prison.  Parole is about

        14       enabling us to save money and restore people

        15       to their communities in a timely and safe

        16       manner.

        17                  I urge everyone in the house to

        18       vote no.  This would interfere in the process

        19       and would be a political power grab, frankly,

        20       on behalf of the now departed -- two Governors

        21       ago, that guy.

        22                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        24       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

        25       negative.



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         1                  Senator Duane.

         2                  SENATOR DUANE:    Thank you, Mr.

         3       President.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    To

         5       explain your vote?

         6                  SENATOR DUANE:    Yes, Mr.

         7       President.

         8                  You know, the whole point of having

         9       a three-person Parole Board panel is to have a

        10       difference of opinion emerge and for the

        11       members of the Parole Board to actually read

        12       about the person coming before and what

        13       they've done while they were incarcerated and

        14       about the crime and what's happened and what's

        15       happened with rehabilitation.  And the whole

        16       point is that the Parole Board members would

        17       have a discussion among themselves and make an

        18       informed decision.

        19                  You know, if there has to be a

        20       unanimous decision, then let's just have one

        21       person make the decision.  Because you could

        22       have a renegade person that holds up the

        23       whole -- that could decide it every time.  And

        24       that's ridiculous.  We don't do that in any

        25       sort of deliberative body.  It's totally



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         1       antithetical to our system of making decisions

         2       in this state and in this nation.

         3                  It's fixing something that doesn't

         4       need to be fixed and shouldn't be fixed.  It's

         5       not going to make any kind of a perfect parole

         6       board.  And I just -- I think it's a very,

         7       very bad move and I'm actually shocked that it

         8       has come before us today.  And I would also

         9       urge my colleagues to vote no on this, because

        10       it's just plain bad public policy.

        11                  Thank you, Mr. President.  I'm

        12       voting no.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        14       you, Senator Duane.  You will be recorded in

        15       the negative.

        16                  Announce the results.

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

        18       the negative on Calendar Number 399 are

        19       Senators Adams, Connor, Diaz, Duane,

        20       Hassell-Thompson, Huntley, L. Krueger,

        21       Montgomery, Parker, Perkins, Sabini, Sampson,

        22       Schneiderman, and Smith.

        23                  Ayes, 34.  Nays, 14.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        25       bill is passed.



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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         2       419, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print

         3       2877, an act to amend the Penal Law and the

         4       Criminal Procedure Law, in relation to the

         5       crime of engaging in criminal street gang

         6       activity.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

         8       the last section.

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

        10       act shall take effect on the first of

        11       November.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        13       Senator Schneiderman, to explain his vote.

        14                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you,

        15       Mr. President.

        16                  This bill I think is overly broad,

        17       and I would argue that it probably has a

        18       constitutional problem.

        19                  The problem of criminal street

        20       gangs is very serious.  I appreciate that it's

        21       intended to add an additional penalty for the

        22       participation in a gang, and it establishes

        23       the crime of engaging in criminal street gang

        24       activity.

        25                  However, I would urge all of you to



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         1       consider that this makes it a crime if one

         2       person, acting in concert with an individual

         3       member of a street gang -- so if you're just

         4       with one other person who happens to be in a

         5       street gang, and you engage in any unlawful

         6       activity -- which includes parking violations,

         7       that's an unlawful activity -- you are guilty

         8       of the crime of criminal street gang activity.

         9                  This can't possibly survive

        10       constitutional scrutiny.  This is not

        11       something that is going to help us get rid of

        12       the serious, serious problem of gangs.  It's a

        13       problem in my district; it's a problem all

        14       over the state.

        15                  Let's take some care in drafting a

        16       statute that could work.  This statute is

        17       drafted so broadly as to, you know,

        18       possibly -- I think it's quite possible it

        19       could be thrown out, but it also basically

        20       criminalizes people for hanging out in their

        21       neighborhoods with people they know who may or

        22       may not be in street gangs.  It doesn't even

        23       require you to know the person you're hanging

        24       out with is in a street gang if you're parked

        25       on the wrong side of the street.



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         1                  So I'm going to vote no, Mr.

         2       President.  I think we should take a much more

         3       serious look at the problem of gang activity.

         4       This is not the way to approach it.

         5                  Thank you.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

         7       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

         8       negative.

         9                  Senator Montgomery.

        10                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes,

        11       Mr. President.  I see here that the City of

        12       New York -- specifically, the Office of the

        13       Mayor -- is supporting this legislation.

        14                  And I just want to remind my

        15       colleagues that, number one, those of us who

        16       are in our districts and working with young

        17       people and talking to them, we understand that

        18       the best antidote for dealing with the problem

        19       of gang activity is the work that the police

        20       department, specifically the youth officers

        21       and the community officers, do with young

        22       people.  They do a tremendous and positive job

        23       in intercepting and intervening and preventing

        24       this street gang activity.

        25                  Last year, 25 members of this



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         1       Legislature wrote a letter to the mayor and

         2       the police commissioner requesting that of 800

         3       new police graduates, that at least half of

         4       them be assigned to our precincts as youth

         5       officers and community officers.  And we

         6       received absolutely no consideration for that

         7       request.  That request was made specifically

         8       in order for us to be able to deal with the

         9       problem of street gangs with the police in our

        10       communities.

        11                  So I'm voting no on this, because

        12       this is only to address this issue through

        13       criminalization.  It has nothing to do with

        14       preventing gang activity.

        15                  And I think that is really a

        16       statement by our city, by our mayor, that he

        17       doesn't really care about preventing gang

        18       activity, he just wants to make sure that he

        19       has every tool to arrest young people.  So I'm

        20       voting no.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        22       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

        23       negative.

        24                  Senator DeFrancisco, to explain his

        25       vote.



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         1                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes, I vote

         2       aye, which is no surprise since I'm the

         3       sponsor.

         4                  But this bill was definitely

         5       supported by the City of New York.  And the

         6       proposal arose out of the work of the New York

         7       City Police Department Gang Division.

         8                  Street activity, gang activity

         9       isn't limited to the city of New York.  It's

        10       cropping up all over the state of New York.

        11       And the purpose of this bill is not only to

        12       stop criminal activity, but it's also to help

        13       those same young people that some are

        14       concerned that they will be swept up in an

        15       overly broad bill.

        16                  Because what this bill talks about

        17       is that even if you're not a member of a

        18       street gang but you associate yourself with a

        19       street gang, to solicit another to join a

        20       street gang or to deter someone from leaving

        21       this street gang.

        22                  You know, there's a lot of peer

        23       pressure out on the streets, and it would seem

        24       to me that these are tools that should be

        25       welcomed by anybody in the community,



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         1       especially those parents who are extremely

         2       concerned, and rightfully so, that their kids

         3       might get scooped up into one of these gangs

         4       and, if scooped up, can never get out.

         5                  And so I think it's a very good

         6       bill.  And it's not overly broad.  And it will

         7       pass constitutional scrutiny.  And it's a tool

         8       that's definitely needed to help those young

         9       people.  And I agree with Senator Montgomery

        10       that the best antidote is work done by youth

        11       officers, by various public groups that help

        12       kids or where kids have constructive

        13       activities.

        14                  But there are always those out

        15       there.  No matter how good you can make it for

        16       young people to veer off from those

        17       activities, there's always some that are going

        18       to be involved.  And we need to protect those

        19       that don't want to be involved to be able to

        20       either stay out or get out of these gangs.  So

        21       I vote aye.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        23       you, Senator DeFrancisco.  You will be

        24       recorded in the affirmative.

        25                  Senator Parker.



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         1                  SENATOR PARKER:    Mr. President,

         2       to explain my vote.

         3                  First let me thank Senator

         4       DeFrancisco for putting this bill forward and

         5       being concerned about gang activity all over

         6       the state.  And I agree with you and share

         7       your concern.  This is really one of the major

         8       problems that is arising in all of our

         9       communities, clearly, in Syracuse, Buffalo,

        10       Yonkers, Long Island.  And we really need to

        11       find a way that we address it.

        12                  So it's the right problem but this

        13       is not, unfortunately, the cure.

        14                  I rise again to just say that

        15       raising penalties doesn't in fact stop crime.

        16       It doesn't.  Every study says that -- the Vera

        17       Institute, the Justice Department.  Everything

        18       that we've done shows that raising penalties

        19       does not stop the commission of crimes.

        20                  The reality is that we have to hit

        21       the crime where it lives and eliminate the

        22       environment in which these crimes in fact are

        23       created.  If we are in fact really concerned

        24       about gang activity, which is primarily youth

        25       violence, let's bring back the State



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         1       Department of Youth which we used to have 10,

         2       15 years ago that in fact gave money to youth

         3       programs so that we can do that.

         4                  In New York City we need a new

         5       mayor who believes in helping our young

         6       people.  We need to go back to having a

         7       Department of Youth Services that puts, again,

         8       money into after-school programs and youth

         9       development programs.  We've gotten rid of

        10       music, art and athletics as regular parts of

        11       the curriculum in our schools, and so our

        12       young people are not as engaged because all

        13       they're doing is teaching to the test.

        14                  We really have to engage our young

        15       people in a real way.  And I know that the

        16       mayor and the police department, you know,

        17       believes in this.  But I would say to that

        18       that when all you have is a hammer, everything

        19       looks like a nail.  So, you know, they're

        20       doing what they know how to do.

        21                  And for six years I've sat here and

        22       listened to my colleagues on the other side of

        23       the aisle make the same argument about

        24       addressing this issue, but yet I have yet to

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         1       money for youth services for the whole state.

         2                  Let's, in fact, everywhere from

         3       Brookhaven to Buffalo to Brooklyn, engage our

         4       young people every single day in after-school

         5       activities, in music, art, dance, athletics,

         6       in after-school tutoring.  Let's provide the

         7       services that they really need instead of

         8       putting $12 million additional money to hold

         9       open facilities in the budget, you know, that

        10       we know have no people in them.

        11                  And so when I look at the series of

        12       bills today, you know, and people start

        13       talking about prison closings, what this looks

        14       like to me is that we have prison closings is

        15       because, Mr. President, because these

        16       facilities are empty and so we say let's

        17       figure out a way to fill the facilities so we

        18       get an agenda that looks like the one we have

        19       in front of us today.

        20                  I object to that, and so I vote no,

        21       Mr. President.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        23       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

        24       negative.

        25                  Senator Hannon.



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         1                  SENATOR HANNON:    Yes,

         2       Mr. President.  I really want to commend

         3       Senator DeFrancisco for bringing this to the

         4       floor.

         5                  The problem of gangs and gang

         6       activity has been late in coming to New York

         7       State, but it's becoming extremely pervasive.

         8       And the tools that law enforcement needs

         9       haven't been there.  This bill would add that

        10       tool.

        11                  I have seen neighborhoods

        12       devastated by the gang activity in recent

        13       months.  I have seen law enforcement in

        14       Nassau County struggling.  Just this week,

        15       they brought over 20 people to arrests and

        16       indictments because of gang activity.  But the

        17       difficulty they have are the tools, the

        18       procedural tools and the criminal laws, are

        19       not there.  This would add them.  And I

        20       commend them; I cannot understand why people

        21       would be opposed.

        22                  The other arguments that have been

        23       raised by Senator Schneiderman I think are not

        24       well-founded.  I think this bill ought to be

        25       adopted.



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         1                  Thank you.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

         3       you, Senator Hannon.  You will be recorded in

         4       the affirmative.

         5                  Senator Hassell-Thompson.

         6                  SENATOR HASSELL-THOMPSON:

         7                  Thank you, Mr. President.  The

         8       majority of the concern that I wanted to raise

         9       was raised by Senator Parker.  I'm explaining

        10       my vote because, as somebody who is seen in

        11       their community as somewhat conservative, I

        12       certainly don't want to send a message that

        13       I'm soft on crime.

        14                  But I also have been a person who

        15       has stood on this floor for the eight years

        16       that I have been here and called for us to

        17       look at how we choose to address the issue of

        18       crime in our communities.

        19                  One of the reasons that we are

        20       faced with the level of gang violence in our

        21       communities that we are is that for a very

        22       long time, many of the mayors didn't want to

        23       acknowledge that there was gang activities.

        24       It's not good when you're trying to promote

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         1       have gang problems.

         2                  I know that that was an issue in my

         3       city, and yet we saw gang violence escalating.

         4       But we also saw that the state was deleting

         5       from our budget more and more dollars, more

         6       and more concern.

         7                  And the way in which I think, I

         8       believe that we demonstrate how concerned we

         9       are is by how much money and creativity.  It's

        10       not always about money, but it is about how do

        11       we creatively look at the problems that are

        12       being presented to us.  And we have colleges

        13       and universities that we continue to support

        14       that are turning out reports every day that

        15       are telling us and are giving us the answers,

        16       and we're not listening.

        17                  And the answer that we prefer,

        18       because it's easier, is to lock them up.

        19       Increase the penalties.  Lock them up, lock

        20       them away.  That is better for the economy,

        21       because it's very easy.  We don't have to

        22       think about it.  We don't have to see them, we

        23       don't have to think about it.

        24                  We have come to a place and a time

        25       where we are incarcerating the brains of the



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         1       future.  And if that's what you're satisfied

         2       with doing, then continue to do that.

         3                  I suggest that we should not be

         4       satisfied with the way in which we look at

         5       crimes in our state.  I am not soft on crime,

         6       but I am not prepared to lock up another

         7       generation of young people because we refuse

         8       to be creative about what we do in these

         9       chambers.

        10                  It's not always about money, but it

        11       is about how do we think-tank this and how do

        12       we look at the data that is available to us

        13       and use some great intelligence that is

        14       already in this state to look at the way we

        15       solve problems.

        16                  We have the power to do that.  We

        17       choose, we choose to take the easy route.  We

        18       have to stop it.

        19                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        21       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

        22       negative.

        23                  Senator Volker.

        24                  SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President, I

        25       rise quickly.  I agree and disagree with just



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         1       about everything I've heard on the floor of

         2       this Legislature.

         3                  First of all, this is a good bill.

         4       I wish I had it when I was the youth officer

         5       in Depew, New York, a number of years ago.  If

         6       you don't think there were gangs then, you're

         7       wrong.

         8                  But the problem is -- and by the

         9       way, this is a misdemeanor.  In New York City,

        10       it's like a traffic violation or a -- I mean,

        11       nobody goes to jail in New York City for a

        12       misdemeanor.  It's ridiculous.  If you shoot

        13       somebody, it may get brought down to a

        14       misdemeanor, let's be realistic.

        15                  Why do you want a bill like this?

        16       For the average kid who's involved in a gang?

        17       No.  What you want this bill for is to get at

        18       the leaders.

        19                  I happen to agree, Senator

        20       Montgomery, with your assessment on youth

        21       officers.  The only trouble is, Ray Kelly,

        22       who's probably the best commissioner of

        23       police, in my opinion, in the country -- the

        24       problem is, how could he get 400 youth

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         1       him about 10,000 short of probably the numbers

         2       he should have.  And by the way, they're

         3       probably underpaid.  They really are.  It's

         4       hard to say that today, but they are.

         5                  But you've got to remember

         6       something.  Oh, yes, we should give more

         7       treatment.  And you're looking at a guy who

         8       sponsored and I used to handle all the youth

         9       stuff years ago.  And we had a much bigger

        10       youth budget then, although it's actually

        11       not -- it wasn't bigger.  It's probably about

        12       the same.  But the difference is we haven't

        13       increased it, and that's true.

        14                  But I think we have to understand

        15       that treatment's fine.  By the way, we are not

        16       locking up a generation in this state.  That

        17       is baloney.  75 percent of the inmates in our

        18       prison system today are violent inmates.  It

        19       used to be 35.  It's 25 percent nonviolent.

        20       Most of them are pretty big offenders.  And we

        21       have shock incarceration.  That's national

        22       statistics -- and probably true, by the way.

        23       California has got 185,000 inmates, I think it

        24       is, and we got 62,0000.  We were at the same

        25       level just a few years ago.



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         1                  I agree with you that we probably

         2       locked up too many people.  That's changed.

         3       Thank goodness it's changed.  We're now

         4       being -- we're different.  The only trouble we

         5       have to watch out for is that we don't go back

         6       to what happened before the Rockefeller Drug

         7       Laws:  just let everybody out, and sentence

         8       them in New York City to one-fifth of what

         9       they do upstate.

        10                  Those studies, by the way, do not

        11       show that being tough on crime doesn't deter.

        12       It does.  But what it shows is that that's not

        13       the only thing you've got to do.  You've got

        14       to do more than that.  And I agree with that.

        15                  I'll only say this.  This was Mike

        16       Balboni's bill, who's now the head of criminal

        17       justice [sic].  I think it was a good bill

        18       then.  I think it's still a good bill.  I

        19       commend John DeFrancisco.  And I have to say

        20       this, that we have to do more on both sides --

        21       more to deal with the criminal end, and we've

        22       got to do more with the other side too, for

        23       treatment.

        24                  I vote aye.

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank



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         1       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

         2       affirmative.

         3                  Senator Marcellino.

         4                  SENATOR MARCELLINO:    Thank you,

         5       Mr. President.

         6                  I, like Senator Volker, agree with

         7       a lot of what's been said on both sides of

         8       this argument.  I commend Senator DeFrancisco

         9       for picking up this very important bill.

        10                  Let's be clear.  When we talk about

        11       gangs, we are not talking about young people.

        12       Many gangs that are out in my district, out in

        13       my area, which some would consider mostly

        14       affluent, are international gangs.  They're

        15       not arising from 13-year-olds and 12-year-olds

        16       and 14-year-olds, they're 30-, 40- and

        17       50-year-olds.  And they answer to a higher

        18       authority in their own sphere of opportunity

        19       and of work.

        20                  They're a dangerous group.  They

        21       are recruiting young people by mechanisms of

        22       enticement and sometimes flat-out coercion.

        23       Any tools we can provide that will help us

        24       give young people a means of saying no to

        25       these people, a means of avoiding these



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         1       people, I think is a good thing.  You have to.

         2       You have to give them the opportunity to get

         3       away from these criminals who are trying to

         4       lure a generation of young people into them.

         5                  Programs for our young people to

         6       keep them off the streets, to keep them

         7       occupied?  Great idea.  Many exist.  They

         8       exist in the city now, and they exist on Long

         9       Island.  They exist everywhere in the state.

        10       If we can find a more effective program that

        11       will work and put it in, I'm all for it.  Do

        12       it.

        13                  But let's not throw the baby out

        14       with the bathwater.  You need the tools to

        15       make it work.  Sometimes the carrot is good,

        16       but you also need the stick.

        17                  And I think Senator DeFrancisco's

        18       bill is not an unreasonable measure and not an

        19       unreasonable bill.  I think it should be

        20       passed and probably will be ultimately, if it

        21       gets into the other house, negotiated and we

        22       can probably include a lot of the other stuff

        23       that's needed and that we want to make it a

        24       better bill.

        25                  So let's pass this bill today and



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         1       move this discussion forward.  I vote aye,

         2       Mr. President.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

         4       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

         5       affirmative.

         6                  Senator Bonacic.

         7                  SENATOR BONACIC:    Thank you,

         8       Mr. President.

         9                  You know, gang activity is not an

        10       issue that we should be polarized on on each

        11       side.  I remember a generation ago the biggest

        12       threat of harm to our communities was

        13       organized crime.  And what police had to do at

        14       that time, and law enforcement, they had to

        15       become sophisticated in monitoring organized

        16       crime -- eavesdropping, surveillance,

        17       undercover operations.

        18                  This generation, the growth of gang

        19       activity is rising, and it's becoming a threat

        20       to our communities like the mob was a

        21       generation ago.  So the police and law

        22       enforcement do not have the tools or the

        23       sophistication that they would like to try to

        24       impair growing criminal activity when it comes

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         1                  It's in the schools.  It's in the

         2       inner cities.  It's in the communities.  It's

         3       in African-American neighborhoods.  It's in

         4       Asian neighborhoods.  It's in Caucasian

         5       neighborhoods.  It's in Hispanic

         6       neighborhoods.  It is creeping universally in

         7       all our communities.

         8                  So the fact that we want to punish

         9       young people more, I don't think that's the

        10       intent of this legislation.  The fact that we

        11       need more money for youth programs, I say yes,

        12       we do.  Having more educational opportunities

        13       and recreational opportunities for our youth.

        14       It's not mutually exclusive to also supporting

        15       giving law enforcement the tools that they

        16       need so they can have more qualified people

        17       working to try to stop the growing threat of

        18       gang activity.

        19                  And the last point that I'd like to

        20       make is there are parents out there that feel

        21       helpless.  They love their children, but they

        22       can't prevent them from being lured,

        23       intimidated, or seduced into gang activity.

        24                  And when we've had the dissolution

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         1       decades, it gave the gangs an opportunity to

         2       move in and fill that vacuum of so-called

         3       family and belonging.  And we know that that

         4       is not true of what a real family does with

         5       love and nourishment.  That's an arena of

         6       destruction, maybe death, but certainly maybe

         7       jail confinement.

         8                  We are in this together.  And I

         9       respect those that vote no for the reasons

        10       they've said.  But keep in mind, we have to

        11       work together on multiple approaches to solve

        12       this problem.  And I want to commend Senator

        13       DeFrancisco for putting forth only a part of

        14       the solution.  Much more has to be done on

        15       that.

        16                  I vote yes.  Thank you,

        17       Mr. President.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        19       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

        20       affirmative.

        21                  Senator Diaz.

        22                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Thank you,

        23       Mr. President.

        24                  This is a bill that in the past I

        25       have entertained and I have looked upon this



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         1       bill positively in the past.  However, I have

         2       to tell you that in this budget there were

         3       $10 million for youth for after-school

         4       programs, $10 million, and it was cut.  When

         5       we forget about our youth, forget about our

         6       after-school programs, they keep on hanging

         7       out there and doing nothing.

         8                  Listening to Senator Parker and

         9       reading the paper this morning and listening

        10       to the Senator that said that -- Volker --

        11       that said that commissioner -- the police

        12       commissioner in the City of New York is the

        13       best one in the nation, I agree with that.

        14       He's a good police commissioner.  However,

        15       reading the paper this morning, the mayor of

        16       the City of New York has given the kitchen,

        17       the sink, the toilet, the bathroom and

        18       everything else to those City Council members

        19       that voted for the congestion pricing.  It

        20       says there's close to a billion dollars in

        21       perks.

        22                  Then I have to question myself.

        23       Police commissioner the best one, the mayor

        24       giving out money for congestion pricing more

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         1       government.  How come there is no money, how

         2       come there is no money for after-school

         3       programs?  How come we have to keep cutting

         4       money for our youth to keep them out of the

         5       streets, to give them sports?

         6                  You know, my daughter lives upstate

         7       here in New York.  And when I visit my

         8       daughter and the school that her children

         9       goes, I mean they have tennis, they have

        10       basketball, they have swimming, they have

        11       horse racing, they have all kinds of

        12       entertainment in upstate.

        13                  So, you know, but in the city there

        14       is no money.  There is no money to give them

        15       sports, to give them something to keep them

        16       out of the streets.

        17                  Yeah, gangs, of course we have

        18       gangs.  In New York we have the Bloods, the

        19       Crips, the Latin Kings, the DDP -- Dominicans

        20       Don't Play -- we have all kind of gangs.  And

        21       we have to eliminate them.  We have to do away

        22       with gangs.

        23                  But the only way that we're going

        24       to do that is, as Senator Parker said,

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         1       programs and after-school programs.  That's

         2       the only way.

         3                  Today I used to look at this bill

         4       positively.  After seeing that we cut

         5       $10 million that we have put there for

         6       after-school programs and to see the mayor

         7       giving out the kitchen sink, the toilet, the

         8       bathtub, and everything else for congestion

         9       pricing and there is no money for youth

        10       activity, ladies and gentlemen, I am voting

        11       no.  This is something that should not be

        12       done.

        13                  Thank you very much.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        15       you, Senator Diaz.  You will be recorded in

        16       the negative.

        17                  Senator Adams.

        18                  SENATOR ADAMS:    Thank you,

        19       Mr. President.

        20                  I just want to -- as a member of

        21       the law enforcement community, and I will

        22       always consider myself to be, I would have

        23       loved to have a bill like this.  But the

        24       reality is police can't have whatever they

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         1       powers.

         2                  And it's easy for us to sit in the

         3       sterilized environment of the Senate floor and

         4       talk about a misdemeanor arrest as no big

         5       thing.  And it concerns me that we have

         6       embarked upon a culture of incarceration as

         7       tolerable.  And as I look up into the

         8       bleachers and see these young people up here,

         9       and we continue to say to them:  So what if

        10       you have handcuffs on, so what if you go

        11       through central booking, so what if you're

        12       arrested?

        13                  No, it's not "so what."  When a

        14       child is incarcerated, when they wear

        15       handcuffs, every time they hear a police

        16       siren, every time they see a police movie,

        17       every time they see a police officer, they

        18       relive that experience.  There's nothing

        19       normal about being arrested.  There's nothing

        20       just laissez-faire about being arrested.  When

        21       that cell door closes, you will hear it for

        22       the rest of your life.

        23                  And we need to stop with this

        24       insidious thought process of so what, they

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         1       stops you from being a police officer, it

         2       stops you from having a Civil Service job, it

         3       stops you from, when you become an adult,

         4       being able to participate in society.

         5                  We are creating an environment

         6       where countless numbers of people, under

         7       Police Commissioner Kelly, have been stopped

         8       and have been criminalized.  And so I'm not

         9       going to ever succumb to the belief and the

        10       philosophy that handcuffing a person and

        11       incarcerating them is a normal form of living

        12       in the greatest city in the greatest nation on

        13       this planet.  No, that's wrong.  That's wrong.

        14       And I'm voting no to this bill.

        15                  We do have to do more about gangs;

        16       I agree with Senator DeFrancisco.  We do have

        17       a major problem with gangs, and we do need to

        18       find with a way to deal with the issue of

        19       gangs.  I think the problem has spread from

        20       Long Island all the way up to our upstate

        21       region.  We must stop this issue with gangs.

        22                  But we can't send a message to our

        23       young people that we are more willing to

        24       invest in a pair of handcuffs than we are

        25       willing to invest in an after-school program.



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         1       We can't send a message that we are more

         2       willing to see them going to central booking

         3       than we are willing to see them go to a

         4       centralized environment where they can learn

         5       from each other.

         6                  And I when we continue to submit

         7       bills like this, that's the message that we

         8       send.  So I am voting no on this bill in hopes

         9       that we start the process of showing that we

        10       want to invest in our children's future and

        11       not give them a terrible start from the

        12       beginning with a misdemeanor arrest.  It's

        13       never just a misdemeanor, it is an arrest.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        15       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

        16       negative.

        17                  Senator Craig Johnson.

        18                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    Thank

        19       you, Mr. President.

        20                  I figure since it's my

        21       predecessor's bill, I want to channel Senator

        22       Balboni for a moment and speak.  But I want to

        23       speak on behalf and in favor of this

        24       legislation.

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         1       legislator working with Senator Balboni in

         2       Nassau County as he worked to secure more

         3       funds for the Nassau County Police Department

         4       for antigang activity and working on these

         5       pieces of legislation.  Because as my

         6       colleague Senator Marcellino pointed out, gang

         7       activity is not centralized in New York City

         8       and the boroughs, it's spread like wildfire

         9       and like weeds all across our great state and,

        10       in particular, Long Island, where gangs like

        11       MS-13 are popping up all over the place.

        12                  And like Senator Marcellino said,

        13       and I agree, it's not just about teenagers.

        14       It's about the 40- and 50-year-olds, the gang

        15       leaders who are coming into town.

        16                  And I commend Senator DeFrancisco

        17       for bringing this bill.  And I agree with my

        18       colleagues, we need to do more in terms of

        19       funding.  And maybe that day when we can

        20       secure those funds and put those bills before

        21       the Legislature and the State Senate is coming

        22       soon.

        23                  But right now we need to do

        24       something, because there's an important

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         1       the bill, and that's about making it a crime

         2       to deter somebody or to attempt to deter

         3       another from leaving a criminal street gang.

         4       I think there's a saying "Blood in and blood

         5       out."  And when you join a gang, it's blood

         6       in, and when you try to leave a gang, it's

         7       blood out.

         8                  And how can we not punish those who

         9       attempt to keep within their grasps a young

        10       man or a young woman who has decided -- maybe

        11       through an after-school program that was lucky

        12       to get funded, maybe by meeting a mentor and

        13       having them persuade him or her to leave the

        14       gang, leave that criminal enterprise -- how

        15       can we not punish those who want to keep them

        16       in?

        17                  That's what this bill does.  That's

        18       what this bill does.  It says enough.  And it

        19       gives those people and those young people,

        20       maybe older people, a second chance who are

        21       trying to free themselves, and it punishes

        22       those who try to keep them in.

        23                  And so I support this legislation

        24       today.  And it's not enough, it's not enough

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         1       even be exposed to these type of activities.

         2       And we need to do more as a State Legislature.

         3       But until that day when we can, we need to do

         4       something else, and that's to punish those who

         5       try to keep our young people within these

         6       gangs.

         7                  So I vote yes, Mr. President.

         8       Thank you.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        10       you, Senator Johnson.  You will be recorded in

        11       the affirmative.

        12                  The clerk will continue to call the

        13       roll.

        14                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        16       Announce the results when ready.

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

        18       the negative on Calendar Number 419 are

        19       Senators Adams, Diaz, Duane, Hassell-Thompson,

        20       Huntley, L. Krueger, Montgomery, Parker,

        21       Perkins, Sampson and Schneiderman.

        22                  Ayes, 43.  Nays, 11.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        24       bill is passed.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number



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         1       425, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 4295, an

         2       act to amend the Penal Law and the Criminal

         3       Procedure Law, in relation to creating.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

         5       the last section.

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 9.  This

         7       act shall take effect on the first of

         8       November.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        10       the roll.

        11                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        13       Announce the results.

        14                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 55.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        16       bill is passed.

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        18       528, by Senator Maziarz, Senate Print 112, an

        19       act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law, in

        20       relation to enacting criteria.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        22       the last section.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

        24       act shall take effect on the first of

        25       November.



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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

         2       the roll.

         3                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

         5       Announce the results.

         6                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

         7       the negative on Calendar Number 528 are

         8       Senators Hassell-Thompson, L. Krueger,

         9       Montgomery, Parker, Perkins, Sampson and

        10       Schneiderman.  Also Senator Huntley.

        11                  Ayes, 47.  Nays, 8.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        13       bill is passed.

        14                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        15       532, by Senator Young, Senate Print 378, an

        16       act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law, in

        17       relation to eligibility for youthful offender

        18       status.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        20       the last section.

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        22       act shall take effect on the first of

        23       November.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        25       the roll.



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         1                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

         3       Announce the results.

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

         5       the negative on Calendar Number 532 are

         6       Senators Connor, Duane, Hassell-Thompson,

         7       Huntley, L. Krueger, Montgomery, Parker,

         8       Perkins, Schneiderman and Stewart-Cousins.

         9                  Ayes, 46.  Nays, 10.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        11       bill is passed.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        13       592, by Senator Trunzo, Senate Print 755, an

        14       act authorizing the Town of Brookhaven,

        15       Suffolk County.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    There

        17       is a home-rule message at the desk.

        18                  Read the last section.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 5.  This

        20       act shall take effect immediately.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        22       the roll.

        23                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        25       Announce the results.



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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 56.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

         3       bill is passed.

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         5       628, by Senator Alesi, Senate Print 163, an

         6       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to the

         7       crime of false personation.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

         9       the last section.

        10                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        11       act shall take effect on the first of

        12       November.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        14       the roll.

        15                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        17       Senator Montgomery, to explain your vote.

        18                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes,

        19       Mr. President.

        20                  I know that I've debated this bill

        21       in the past.  I always have voted no on it,

        22       and I will continue to do so because it simply

        23       is another one of those bills that is

        24       particularly, as I interpret it, directed

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         1       for this bill.  It does not do anything to

         2       improve the capacity of the police to do their

         3       job.  It simply removes the requirement that a

         4       person must be informed by the police officer

         5       of the consequences of misrepresenting himself

         6       or herself.

         7                  There is no reason why the police

         8       can't just say "If you do not tell me the

         9       truth about who you are, you could be charged

        10       with a Class A misdemeanor."  I don't know why

        11       Senator Alesi has decided that he does not

        12       want people to have the information.

        13                  I think that we have -- I've never

        14       heard a police officer complain that they had

        15       to read the Miranda rights to a person.  I've

        16       certainly not heard any complaints from any

        17       police officer, ever, that there is a problem

        18       in them informing a person when they stop the

        19       person that if you conduct this behavior, you

        20       can be charged with X, Y or Z charge.

        21                  I think this is just an attempt to

        22       make sure that any young person in particular,

        23       or any person who makes the mistake, does not

        24       know the consequences, can be charged without

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         1                  So I'm going to vote no on it.  I

         2       don't see any need for it.  And I think,

         3       again, it is directed to young people, and

         4       especially young people in districts like I

         5       represent.  So I'm voting no.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

         7       you, Senator Montgomery.  You will be recorded

         8       in the negative.

         9                  Announce the results.

        10                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

        11       the negative on Calendar Number 628 are

        12       Senators Adams, Connor, Diaz, Duane,

        13       Hassell-Thompson, Huntley, L. Krueger,

        14       Montgomery, Parker, Perkins, Savino,

        15       Schneiderman and Stewart-Cousins.  Also

        16       Senator Sampson.

        17                  Ayes, 43.  Nays, 14.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        19       bill is passed.

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        21       629, by Senator Morahan, Senate Print 248, an

        22       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

        23       establishing the crime of unlawful possession.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        25       the last section.



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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         2       act shall take effect on the first of

         3       November.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

         5       the roll.

         6                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

         8       Announce the results.

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        11       bill is passed.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        13       631, by Senator Nozzolio, Senate Print 1448,

        14       an act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

        15       establishing the crime of unlawful purchase.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        17       the last section.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        19       act shall take effect on the first of

        20       November.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        22       the roll.

        23                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        25       Announce the results.



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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

         3       bill is passed.

         4                  Senator Breslin, why do you rise?

         5                  SENATOR BRESLIN:    Yes, thank you,

         6       Mr. President.

         7                  I would like the record to reflect

         8       that on Calendar Number 528, S112, had I been

         9       in chambers I would have voted in the

        10       negative, as I have in the past.

        11                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        13       record will so reflect.

        14                  The Secretary will read.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        16       632, by Senator Skelos, Senate Print 1815, an

        17       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

        18       assaults at sports contests.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        20       the last section.

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        22       act shall take effect on the first of

        23       November.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        25       the roll.



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         1                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

         3       Announce the results.

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

         5       the negative on Calendar Number 632 are

         6       Senators Hassell-Thompson, Montgomery and

         7       Perkins.

         8                  Ayes, 54.  Nays, 3.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        10       bill is passed.

        11                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        12       636, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print

        13       2878, an act to amend the Criminal Procedure

        14       Law, in relation to the victim's statement.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        16       the last section.

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        18       act shall take effect on the 60th day.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        20       the roll.

        21                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        23       Announce the results.

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The



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         1       bill is passed.

         2                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         3       638, by Senator Golden, Senate Print 3441, an

         4       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

         5       assault.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

         7       the last section.

         8                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

         9       act shall take effect on the first of

        10       November.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        12       the roll.

        13                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        15       Announce the results.

        16                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        18       bill is passed.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        20       640, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 3949, an

        21       act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law and

        22       the Family Court Act, in relation to delivery.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        24       the last section.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This



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         1       act shall take effect immediately.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

         3       the roll.

         4                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

         6       Announce the results.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

         9       bill is passed.

        10                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        11       641, by Senator Nozzolio, Senate Print 4043,

        12       an act to amend the Penal Law and the

        13       Correction Law, in relation to sexual conduct.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        15       the last section.

        16                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

        17       act shall take effect immediately.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        19       the roll.

        20                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        22       Announce the results.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        25       bill is passed.



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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         2       644, by Senator Saland, Senate Print 4789, an

         3       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

         4       theft of credit card.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

         6       the last section.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         8       act shall take effect on the first of

         9       November.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        11       the roll.

        12                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        14       Announce the results.

        15                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        17       bill is passed.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        19       649, by Senator Golden, Senate Print 5730, an

        20       act to amend the Penal Law, in relation to

        21       assault against employees.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        23       the last section.

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 4.  This

        25       act shall take effect on the 90th day.



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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

         2       the roll.

         3                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

         5       Senator DeFrancisco, to explain his vote.

         6                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes, I vote

         7       yes on this and also on Senate 3441, and my

         8       remarks apply to both of them.

         9                  Because what we've been doing over

        10       the years, and I've said this before, is we're

        11       making so many exceptions as to what degree of

        12       assault it is based upon who or what job the

        13       individual has that we are almost at the point

        14       where the exceptions eat up the general rule.

        15                  So I vote aye, but I would hope

        16       that someday we would be in a position to

        17       treat everybody the same.  If the crime is

        18       serious enough, it should be a certain level

        19       of crime.  If it's not as serious, it should

        20       be a lesser crime no matter who the victim may

        21       be.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        23       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

        24       affirmative.

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         1       vote.

         2                  SENATOR VOLKER:    Mr. President,

         3       speaking in favor of this bill, I want to

         4       totally agree with Senator DeFrancisco.  My

         5       problem is that the Assembly will not consider

         6       any blanket increases.

         7                  There is no argument that I know

         8       of -- well, outside of the City of New York --

         9       against that assault statutes should be

        10       upgraded.  This house for a whole decade has

        11       passed general statutes, and not unreasonable,

        12       I think, upgrading the assault statutes.  Our

        13       problem is that none of that has occurred.

        14       And as a result, we have got some statutes

        15       through the Assembly by specifying groups.

        16                  Personally, I happen to agree

        17       entirely with Senator DeFrancisco.  And I

        18       strongly believe that Senator Golden would

        19       probably agree with this.  The problem is we

        20       have to look at life the way it is.  So that's

        21       why this bill is here.

        22                  I vote aye.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Thank

        24       you, Senator.  You will be recorded in the

        25       affirmative.



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         1                  Announce the results.

         2                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

         3       the negative on Calendar Number 649 are

         4       Senators Montgomery and Perkins.

         5                  Ayes, 55.  Nays, 2.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

         7       bill is passed.

         8                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         9       657, by Senator Volker, Senate Print 6906, an

        10       act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law, in

        11       relation to notification.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

        13       the last section.

        14                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

        15       act shall take effect immediately.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

        17       the roll.

        18                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        20       Announce the results.

        21                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        23       bill is passed.

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        25       658, by Senator C. Kruger, Senate Print 7011,



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         1       an act to amend Chapter 906 of the Laws of

         2       1984 amending the Social Services Law.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Read

         4       the last section.

         5                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

         6       act shall take effect immediately.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    Call

         8       the roll.

         9                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:

        11       Announce the results.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 57.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    The

        14       bill is passed.

        15                  Senator Skelos, that completes the

        16       noncontroversial reading of the calendar.

        17                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Thank you,

        18       Mr. President.

        19                  There will be an immediate meeting

        20       of the Majority in the Majority Conference

        21       Room.

        22                  And the Senate will stand at ease

        23       and reconvene at 3:00 p.m.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT MORAHAN:    There

        25       will be an immediate meeting of the Majority



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         1       in the Majority Conference Room, and the

         2       Senate will reconvene at 3:00 p.m.

         3                  (Whereupon, the Senate stood at

         4       ease at 12:12 p.m.)

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT HANNON:    Senator

         6       Skelos.

         7                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         8       there will be an immediate conference of the

         9       Majority in the Majority Conference Room, and

        10       the Senate will stand at ease.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT HANNON:

        12       Immediate conference of the Majority in the

        13       Majority Conference Room.

        14                  The Senate continues to stand at

        15       ease.

        16                  (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened

        17       at 4:39 p.m.)

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT MAZIARZ:

        19       Senator Skelos.

        20                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

        21       the Senate will reconvene at 6:00 p.m. sharp.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT MAZIARZ:    The

        23       Senate will reconvene at 6:00 p.m. sharp.

        24                  SENATOR SKELOS:    And we'll stand

        25       at ease.



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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT MAZIARZ:    The

         2       Senate will continue to stand at ease.

         3                  (Whereupon, the Senate stood at

         4       ease at 4:40 p.m.)

         5                  (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened

         6       at 6:20 p.m.)

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

         8       Senate will come to order.

         9                  Senator Skelos.

        10                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

        11       there will be an immediate meeting of the

        12       Finance Committee in the Majority Conference

        13       Room.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    There

        15       will be an immediate meeting of the Finance

        16       Committee in the Majority Conference Room.

        17                  The Senate will stand at ease.

        18                  (Whereupon, the Senate stood at

        19       ease at 6:21 p.m.)

        20                  (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened

        21       at 6:27 p.m.)

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        23       Skelos.

        24                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

        25       if we could return to reports of standing



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         1       committees for the report of the Finance

         2       Committee.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Reports

         4       of standing committees.

         5                  The Secretary will read the report

         6       of the Finance Committee.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Senator O.

         8       Johnson, from the Committee on Finance,

         9       reports the following bill direct to third

        10       reading:

        11                  Senate Print 6800D, Senate Budget

        12       Bill, an act making appropriations for the

        13       support of government:  Public Protection and

        14       General Government Budget.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Without

        16       objection, the bill is reported direct to

        17       third reading.

        18                  Senator Skelos.

        19                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

        20       if we could take up Senate Bill 6800D.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

        22       Secretary will read.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        24       712, Senate Budget Bill, Senate Print 6800D,

        25       an act making appropriations for the support



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         1       of government:  Public Protection and General

         2       Government Budget.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         4       Skelos.

         5                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         6       is there a message of necessity at the desk?

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    A

         8       message of necessity is at the desk.

         9                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Move to accept.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    All in

        11       favor signify by saying aye.

        12                  (Response of "Aye.")

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Any

        14       opposed, nay.

        15                  (No response.)

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

        17       message is accepted.

        18                  Read the last section.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        20       act shall take effect immediately.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Call

        22       the roll.

        23                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        25       Krueger, to explain her vote.



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         1                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    Thank you,

         2       Mr. President.

         3                  I rise to explain that I cannot

         4       vote for this bill.  While there are certainly

         5       pieces of it that I support, this bill is

         6       literally hot off the presses.  There is no

         7       memo, which is required even with a message of

         8       necessity under our new budget rules.

         9                  We continue to spend money without

        10       having a revenue bill, the wrong way to do a

        11       budget, to say the least.  This is also the

        12       general government and public protection bill,

        13       but there's no general government money for

        14       AIM funding for the City of New York or

        15       revenue sharing for various cities and towns

        16       and counties throughout the state.

        17                  So I feel it's an incomplete bill,

        18       that we are doing it in the wrong order.  We

        19       should be figuring out our revenues before

        20       we're spending our money.  And while I hear

        21       rumors that we might do revenue-sharing

        22       somewhere else at a later time, the tradition

        23       of this Legislature has been to put local

        24       government money into the general government

        25       budget.



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         1                  So I do not believe this is a full

         2       budget bill or a satisfactory one.  I'll be

         3       voting no.

         4                  Thank you, Mr. President.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         6       Krueger will be recorded in the negative.

         7                  Anyone wishing to vote no please

         8       signify by raising your hand.

         9                  Senator Schneiderman, to explain

        10       his vote.

        11                  SENATOR SCHNEIDERMAN:    Thank you,

        12       Mr. President.  I also will be voting against

        13       this bill.

        14                  I've been serving on the New York

        15       State Sentencing Commission for the last

        16       several months, and we've had public hearings,

        17       we've had private meetings, we've had an array

        18       of experts from all around the country,

        19       including people from the universities and

        20       programs of our own state.  They have

        21       consistently advised us, and I have concluded

        22       and I think our final report will conclude,

        23       that we know what works in terms of criminal

        24       justice programing at this point in the

        25       history of the United States.



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         1                  We know that cognitive and

         2       behavioral therapy works.  We know what kinds

         3       of alternative programs work.  We know what

         4       the rate track in criminal justice policy and

         5       what is the wrong track.

         6                  I'm sorry to say that this budget

         7       bill is as good an exhibit of the wrong track

         8       in criminal justice policy as you could

         9       possibly have.  This favors incarceration over

        10       treatment.  Indeed, it takes it a step

        11       further.  It favors keeping prisons open, even

        12       when we're not incarcerating anyone in those

        13       prisons, over treatment.

        14                  The prisons that are kept open by

        15       this bill -- and let's note, Mr. President,

        16       that the Governor proposed, the Executive

        17       Budget proposed closing prisons and the

        18       Senate, this body, has taken responsibility

        19       for and is indeed responsible for keeping

        20       prisons open we do not need, at a projected

        21       cost, this year, of $10 million a year, the

        22       next year $33 million, ultimately up to around

        23       $70 million a year.

        24                  In an atmosphere where we have a

        25       budget crisis, where we're telling senior



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         1       centers we don't have enough money for you,

         2       we're telling school districts we don't have

         3       enough money for you, we are keeping prisons

         4       open we don't need at a cost of $70 million a

         5       year.  What kind of public policy is that?

         6                  But wait, there is more.  This

         7       budget does not restore the funding that was

         8       sought by the treatment community to expand

         9       alternatives to incarceration treatment

        10       programs and reentry programs.  There is a

        11       small restoration -- and we got the bill so

        12       late that it's difficult for us to analyze it

        13       as fully as we really should before we have to

        14       vote on it -- but there's a $3.1 million

        15       restoration in General Fund support for

        16       alternatives to incarceration, $3.1 million.

        17       The DOCS budget, the budget of the Department

        18       of Corrections, is $3 billion.  And so what

        19       we're doing is adding $3 million for

        20       alternatives to incarceration.

        21                  This is money well-spent.  It has

        22       been documented in study after study.  And I

        23       know that Senator Young expressed an interest

        24       in studies of recidivism.  There are dozens of

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         1       the sentencing commission that consistently

         2       show that cognitive behavioral therapy,

         3       alternative programs, if you use a risk/needs

         4       assessment instrument, reduce recidivism

         5       significantly.

         6                  This is money well-spent.  This

         7       saves the state money.  This gets our children

         8       back into their communities, back as

         9       productive members of society.  This undoes

        10       the last three decades of criminal justice

        11       policy.  We should be undoing the last three

        12       decades of criminal justice policy that have

        13       resulted in the United States having 3 million

        14       people in prisons, virtually all of them

        15       African-American and Latinos.

        16                  We are destroying communities by

        17       continuing on the wrong track in criminal

        18       justice policy.  We are costing the taxpayers

        19       of New York a fortune by continuing on the

        20       wrong track in criminal justice policy.

        21                  I urge everyone in this house to

        22       vote no, first of all because you haven't had

        23       time to read the bill so you don't know what's

        24       in it, but second of all because, to the

        25       extent I have read it, it continues us on that



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         1       wrong track.

         2                  I'm voting no, Mr. President, and

         3       urging everyone to do likewise.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         5       Schneiderman will be recorded in the negative.

         6                  Senator Nozzolio, to explain his

         7       vote.

         8                  SENATOR NOZZOLIO:    Thank you,

         9       Mr. President and my colleagues.

        10                  This Senate should be proud of the

        11       fact that over the last decade the policies

        12       initiated here have resulted in New York

        13       State's crime rate dropping more dramatically

        14       than any state crime-rate drop in the history

        15       of our nation.

        16                  It's because we stood tall to

        17       establish a zero tolerance for violence.  We

        18       passed, time and time again, legislation that

        19       ended parole for violent felons, that

        20       established a zero tolerance for violence,

        21       that established a zero tolerance for sex

        22       offenders, that established a zero tolerance

        23       against the criminal element in our state.

        24                  The result of that has been

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         1       should all be proud of it.  But those policies

         2       have a consequence.  And the consequence is

         3       that the most violent of felons are kept

         4       behind prison walls for longer periods of

         5       time.

         6                  What we have is a correctional

         7       system that requires rightsizing.  And this

         8       Senate, when hearing of the rightsizing by

         9       taking a meat ax and cutting four correctional

        10       facilities by the last governor, this Senate

        11       conducted a hearing beyond the budget hearing

        12       process and held the correctional

        13       commissioner's feet to the fire and said:

        14       Have you rationalized this system?  Have you

        15       insured the safety and integrity of the

        16       system?  And, most importantly, have you

        17       protected the 25,000 brave men and women who

        18       work in our correctional system today and

        19       insured that no facility would be a tinderbox,

        20       no facility would be a cause for violent riot

        21       behavior?

        22                  Frankly, I am proud of the Senate,

        23       and I thank Senator Volker, I thank those who

        24       served on the public protection committees

        25       that established that we will not close the



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         1       correctional facilities unless we have a total

         2       system of our prisons rationalized in a way

         3       that makes sense for our taxpayers.

         4                  And what was penny-wise in the

         5       cutting of those facilities was

         6       dollar-foolish, and that would cost, if the

         7       prior governor's policies went into effect,

         8       would cost our taxpayers many, many more

         9       dollars than were allegedly being saved under

        10       the proposal.

        11                  So I thank those who supported

        12       this.  I know that those brave men and women

        13       who walk the toughest law enforcement beat in

        14       America are thankful for our stand to

        15       rationalize the correctional system in a way

        16       that is meaningful and protective.

        17                  Our conference has never stated

        18       that you build prisons to grow jobs.  That's

        19       not why you grow prisons and build prisons and

        20       save prisons.  You do establish a policy

        21       that's protective of our citizenry.  And

        22       that's why this conference and this Senate is

        23       going to support this legislation.

        24                  Before I sit down, I also wish to

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         1       a way to prevent gang violence, to prevent

         2       violence and all kinds of other crime and

         3       criminality across our state in our schools,

         4       is being maintained by this legislation.  And

         5       for that, Mr. President, I think it's a great

         6       step in the right direction and I thank all

         7       those who stood to support this important

         8       issue.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        10       Nozzolio will be recorded in the affirmative.

        11                  Senator Saland, to explain his

        12       vote.

        13                  SENATOR SALAND:    Thank you,

        14       Mr. President.

        15                  I too rise, as did Senator

        16       Nozzolio, with regard to the effect that this

        17       bill will have on our correction system.

        18                  A number of weeks ago I had the

        19       opportunity to attend a forum in my district

        20       at a local community college in which the

        21       Commissioner of Corrections was speaking in

        22       the context of the closure of Hudson

        23       Correctional Facility, a facility that was at

        24       or near capacity, had been at or near

        25       capacity, a facility that the corrections



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         1       people had identified as virtually a model

         2       facility, high grades in virtually every

         3       aspect you could think of, and very much taken

         4       by surprise by the proposal to close.

         5                  And I had to listen to the

         6       commissioner at that event basically say, in

         7       response to a question from one of the over

         8       400 people there expressing their concerns

         9       about the closure, I had to listen to him say:

        10       "I don't care what the Legislature does, I'm

        11       closing this facility."

        12                  Well, I suspect that any one of 212

        13       legislators would have found that to be a

        14       totally unacceptable way to deal with the

        15       issue, would have probably been not merely

        16       personally offended, but offended on behalf of

        17       the entire institution that the administrative

        18       official would just basically blow off the

        19       Legislature in that fashion.

        20                  This facility has, as I said, been

        21       an exemplary facility.  It's been a facility

        22       that run at capacity or near capacity for as

        23       long as anybody can remember.  It's a facility

        24       which had seen literally millions of dollars

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         1       even better facility.  And to say one was

         2       perplexed by its suggested closing would be an

         3       understatement.

         4                  The bottom line is that this bill

         5       will preserve that facility as an ongoing

         6       facility.  It will not only serve the same

         7       function as it has always served as a

         8       correctional facility, but I would add, very

         9       vitally, in a community, a city and in a

        10       county that has an extraordinarily challenging

        11       time today to have disrupted so many lives,

        12       will have a major impact not only on the

        13       social fabric of the community but also on the

        14       economic fabric of the community.

        15                  And I'm thankful that we were able

        16       to accomplish this, and I'm thankful that we

        17       will be able to go forward with regard to a

        18       mainstay in our corrections system and a

        19       mainstay in our community.

        20                  I vote in favor of this measure,

        21       Mr. President, and thank you.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        23       Saland will be recorded in the affirmative.

        24                  Senator Diaz, to explain his vote.

        25                  SENATOR DIAZ:    Yes, sir.  Thank



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         1       you, Mr. President.

         2                  You know, this is my fifth year

         3       here in the Senate.  And I could say that

         4       those five years there has never been a good

         5       budget, the perfect budget.  And I don't think

         6       that there's ever going to be a perfect budget

         7       that we could all agree upon.

         8                  So there is always going to be

         9       problems that some people don't like, other

        10       people like.  See, in this budget, there is

        11       not everything that I would like to see.  But

        12       as I said before, when is it that we are going

        13       to have the perfect budget?  I doubt that we

        14       are ever going to have one.

        15                  I have to congratulate the new

        16       Governor, David Paterson, because in the few

        17       days since he took charge of the governorship,

        18       he managed to get to an agreement with Senator

        19       Bruno, with Shelly Silver from the Assembly,

        20       to come to a budget.

        21                  It is not a perfect budget.  There

        22       will never be a perfect budget, and I'm

        23       repeating myself again and again on that.  But

        24       it's a budget that we could live with.

        25                  And again, I have to congratulate



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         1       the three parties, especially the new

         2       Governor.  In such a short time, he managed to

         3       get people together, to work together without

         4       the fight that we usually see here in the five

         5       years that I have been here.  So there have

         6       been no bad discrepancies, without big fights.

         7                  So congratulations to the three

         8       parties, congratulations to the new Governor.

         9       And you can count me yes.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        11       Diaz will be recorded in the affirmative.

        12                  If there are no other Senators

        13       wishing to explain their vote -- Senator

        14       DeFrancisco.

        15                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Yes, I just

        16       wanted to mention very briefly that I'm going

        17       to vote yes on this budget, and there were a

        18       couple of comments made earlier that I wanted

        19       to respond to.

        20                  First of all, there was a comment

        21       made that it was the Republicans in the Senate

        22       that required these prisons to stay open.  I

        23       was on the Joint Committee for Public

        24       Protection, and there was a debate, a very

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         1       the decision by both the Democrats and the

         2       Republicans from the Senate and the

         3       Republicans and Democrats from the Assembly

         4       was basically that it was not a wise idea to

         5       close the prisons without a comprehensive

         6       study done to determine long-range use and

         7       needs of the prison system.

         8                  So I think that was a reasonable

         9       determination, rather than cutting prisons

        10       just because it's a budgetary issue.  So I

        11       think there was a bipartisan effort on that

        12       part.

        13                  And lastly, with respect to the

        14       comment that was made that we don't have

        15       enough money for our schools but we've got

        16       money to have prisons open, it's recently been

        17       reported that the State of New York is

        18       65 percent over the national median in aid to

        19       education and number one as far as the amount

        20       spent per child in education.

        21                  So, you know, we can be maybe

        22       embarrassed about some things we do, but to

        23       suggest that we are not keeping up a

        24       reasonable amount of education per pupil I

        25       don't think is a fair comparison.  And in any



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         1       event, it has nothing to do with whether to

         2       open or close prisons.  Those are issues that

         3       should be done as a matter of policy and

         4       study.

         5                  I vote aye.

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

         7       DeFrancisco will be recorded in the

         8       affirmative.

         9                  Senator Hassell-Thompson, to

        10       explain her vote.

        11                  SENATOR HASSELL-THOMPSON:    Yes,

        12       just very briefly.  Thank you, Mr. President.

        13                  This morning I talked about one of

        14       the legislative initiatives that was put

        15       forward, and I voted no for it because of the

        16       direction that it and other bills like it

        17       seemed to be taking in this chamber.

        18                  And while I think that there are

        19       many aspects of this budget that I certainly

        20       can endorse and am very appreciative of, I too

        21       believe that in light of these numbers that I

        22       think that Senator Nozzolio quoted earlier,

        23       the way crime has been reduced and the

        24       policies he gives this chamber credit for

        25       instigating, somehow that's not consistent



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         1       with the fact that we want to keep prisons

         2       open.

         3                  If there are no prisoners, why are

         4       we keeping the prisons open?  If we've been as

         5       tough on crime as many of my colleagues have

         6       said, then the numbers of people going to jail

         7       certainly has been reduced.  I know that's

         8       tongue in cheek, intentionally.  The reality

         9       is, however, we should not be spending money

        10       to keep prisons open.

        11                  And whether or not we're spending

        12       more money in the State of New York than any

        13       other state, I applaud the state.  I applaud

        14       the state because, number one, we have some of

        15       the most significant populations of people

        16       with the greatest need that come to the State

        17       of New York, and they have a right to expect

        18       that those needs will be met educationally.

        19       So I applaud us for finally taking the major

        20       steps that we need to begin to take to talk

        21       about education.

        22                  But I still don't think that when

        23       we talk about prisons that we should be

        24       comparing the dollars that we put in prisons

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         1       think we need to be comparing apples with

         2       apples.  And the apples are that we need to be

         3       doing more alternatives, we ought to be using

         4       the lowered numbers of prisoners in our

         5       facilities to look at reuse for some of these

         6       facilities.  We talk about the fact that we

         7       have AIDS and HIV in prison and we have no

         8       facilities to put them.  We should be using

         9       them as treatment centers.

        10                  We have a rare opportunity to do

        11       some extraordinary things in the State of

        12       New York.  And I repeat myself again:  When we

        13       become more creative and stop throwing money

        14       at things and thinking that giving a few

        15       dollars and giving a few jobs is what's really

        16       important, we need to be retrofitting the

        17       people that are in these jobs so that they can

        18       do the work of the people of the State of

        19       New York based on what is needed, not based on

        20       what's expedient.

        21                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        23       Hassell-Thompson will be recorded in the

        24       negative.

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         1       vote.

         2                  SENATOR MONTGOMERY:    Yes,

         3       Mr. President, briefly.

         4                  I just want to, in carrying further

         5       the issue that was raised by my colleague

         6       Senator Hassell-Thompson, I certainly -- there

         7       are some parts of the budget that I am very

         8       appreciative of.  I'm very happy that the

         9       Governor has recommended that we establish a

        10       way of dealing with people who violate parole,

        11       especially the technical parole violators.

        12                  I don't know if you realize, but

        13       the largest percent of people who are returned

        14       to prison are coming in there for technical

        15       violations.  Which means they did not commit

        16       another crime, they had a technicality breach.

        17       And so we're looking for a different way of

        18       dealing with that, and I'm thankful for that.

        19       And there are some other positive aspects.

        20                  But I must say that it's very

        21       shameful and embarrassing and disgraceful for

        22       a state as wealthy as ours to have a system

        23       that part of our state that relies so heavily

        24       on this incarceration program.  I think that

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         1       should be absolutely ashamed of this.

         2                  And most of those people who are

         3       incarcerated are black and brown, over

         4       80 percent of them.  Isn't that disgraceful,

         5       Mr. President?

         6                  We cannot allow our state to

         7       continue to represent this reprehensible

         8       situation.  We need an economy that is based

         9       on progress, based on our wonderful university

        10       system, that should be the engine for creating

        11       new opportunities for young people so that our

        12       young people don't abandon the upstate regions

        13       of our state.

        14                  We need to have a system where our

        15       economy drives our business and that we don't

        16       rely on the incarceration, the penitentiary

        17       system to carry the region of our state, and

        18       that that penitentiary system relies on mining

        19       communities like mine of black and brown

        20       people so that can you continue to claim that

        21       you have an economy upstate.  This is

        22       disgraceful.

        23                  And so I'm voting against this not

        24       because of the positive things in it -- I wish

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         1       do not agree with this direction.  We need

         2       to -- if we could save $10 million closing

         3       down those facilities, I would be happy to see

         4       that $10 million used as a way of looking at

         5       where can we go to move our state away from

         6       this horrible program that we have to fight

         7       every year to keep prisons open because our

         8       communities are going to shut down because

         9       they don't have jobs and the only jobs that

        10       they have that we have to offer are prisons.

        11                  So I'm against that.  We need to do

        12       something different.  The Governor has tried

        13       to move us in that direction.  All of us in

        14       this room should be willing to take a step

        15       away from these prisons as a means of making

        16       our economy work.

        17                  I'm voting no, Mr. President.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    Senator

        19       Montgomery will be recorded in the negative.

        20                  Seeing no other Senator wishing to

        21       explain his vote, the clerk will announce the

        22       results.

        23                  THE SECRETARY:    Those recorded in

        24       the negative on Calendar Number 712 are

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         1       L. Krueger, Montgomery, Parker, Perkins and

         2       Schneiderman.

         3                  Ayes, 52.  Nays, 8.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

         5       bill is passed.

         6                  Senator Skelos.

         7                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President,

         8       is there any other business at the desk?

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    There

        10       is none.

        11                  SENATOR SKELOS:    There being

        12       none, I move we stand adjourned until

        13       Thursday, April 3rd, at 1:00 p.m.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT ROBACH:    The

        15       Senate will stand adjourned until Thursday,

        16       April 3rd, at 1:00 p.m.

        17                  (Whereupon, at 6:53 p.m., the

        18       Senate adjourned.)

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