Regular Session - March 22, 2010

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         1                 NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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         4                THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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         9                   ALBANY, NEW YORK

        10                    March 22, 2010

        11                       3:47 p.m.

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        14                    REGULAR SESSION

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        18  SENATOR NEIL D. BRESLIN, Acting President

        19  ANGELO J. APONTE, Secretary

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         1                 P R O C E E D I N G S

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         3       Senate will please come to order.

         4                  I ask all to rise and repeat with

         5       me the Pledge of Allegiance.

         6                  (Whereupon, the assemblage recited

         7       the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         9       Today's invocation will be provided by the

        10       Rabbi Shmuel M. Butman, from the Lubavitch

        11       Youth Organization in Brooklyn, New York.

        12                  Rabbi.

        13                  RABBI BUTMAN:    Let us pray.

        14                  [In Hebrew]  Our heavenly Father,

        15       please bestow Your heavenly blessings on all

        16       the members of the New York State Senate, for

        17       themselves, for their families.  Bless them

        18       with good health and with happiness, with

        19       fulfillment in all of their endeavors.

        20                  This week we are celebrating the

        21       108th birthday of the Rebbe, the Lubavitcher

        22       Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson.  And many

        23       years in the past, as this year, you are --

        24       you passed in the past and you will pass this

        25       year a resolution in the honor of the 108th



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         1       birthday of the Rebbe.  The resolution calls

         2       for "108 Days of Education" in honor of the

         3       Rebbe.

         4                  When the Rebbe spoke about

         5       education, he didn't only speak about

         6       education of the Jewish child, he spoke

         7       education of the general child, of all the

         8       children of the world.  In the teachings of

         9       the Rebbe, the Rebbe said many times that we

        10       should teach our children, all children,

        11       regardless of race and religion and color and

        12       creed, that there is an Eye that sees and

        13       there is an Ear that hears, and that this

        14       world is not a jungle.

        15                  And the Rebbe dedicated his life to

        16       education, and he's asking for each and every

        17       single one of us to continue to do that.

        18                  Here in the United States, in the

        19       New York State Senate, you pass laws that

        20       govern relationships between man and man --

        21       that a person has to be responsible for what

        22       he does, that a child has to know that you

        23       cannot do what you want, you only have to do

        24       what is right -- through the New York State

        25       Senate.



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         1                  Those laws are then interpreted by

         2       all the people in the United States of

         3       America, and through the United States of

         4       America.  The United States of America is a

         5       superpower.  Those laws have an effect for all

         6       the people of the world.  So you who sit in

         7       the New York State Senate here in Albany have

         8       an effect not only on the people in Albany,

         9       not only on the people in the great State of

        10       New York, and not only on the people in the

        11       United States of America, but indeed on the

        12       people all over the world.

        13                  In 1991, I went to Washington and I

        14       opened the United States Senate.  Before I

        15       went to Washington, I went to see the Rebbe,

        16       and he said to me:  "Take with you a

        17       pushkeh" -- a pushkeh is a tzedakah box, a

        18       charity box that I'm holding in my hand --

        19       "and while you are making the invocation, you

        20       should put in a dollar, charity, into the

        21       box," which I am doing right away.

        22                  And the Rebbe said, "Make sure that

        23       everybody should see what you are doing, and

        24       let them know what money should be spent for."

        25       This was 1991.



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         1                  In retrospect, you take a look at

         2       what's happening in Washington and what money

         3       has been spent for, what the Rebbe said so

         4       many years ago, that there is a message that

         5       we should know what we should spend money on,

         6       that this is a matter of charity.  We do a

         7       good deed, we try to help another human being.

         8                  Every Saturday, every Shabbos,

         9       every Sabbath in our synagogues we say a

        10       special prayer for each and every single one

        11       of you.  We say the [in Hebrew], which means

        12       "All of those who serve the public faithfully,

        13       we ask Almighty God for His special blessing."

        14                  So in our synagogues not only in

        15       the State of New York, but all over the world,

        16       we ask for a special blessing for you who

        17       serve the public, that Almighty God should

        18       keep you, that Almighty God should watch over

        19       you and your families, and He should grant you

        20       good health, long life, happiness and

        21       fulfillment in everything that you do, in your

        22       personal lives and in your communal affairs.

        23                  And let us all say amen.

        24                  (The assemblage said "Amen.")

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank



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         1       you, Rabbi.

         2                  The reading of the Journal.

         3                  The Secretary will read.

         4                  THE SECRETARY:    In Senate,

         5       Sunday, March 21, the Senate met pursuant to

         6       adjournment.  The Journal of Saturday,

         7       March 20, was read and approved.  On motion,

         8       Senate adjourned.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        10       Without objection, the Journal stands approved

        11       as read.

        12                  Presentation of petitions.

        13                  Messages from the Assembly.

        14                  Messages from the Governor.

        15                  Reports of standing committees.

        16                  Reports of select committees.

        17                  Communications and reports from

        18       state officers.

        19                  Motions and resolutions.

        20                  Senator Klein.

        21                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Mr. President, I

        22       believe there's a resolution at the desk by

        23       Senator Sampson.  I ask that the resolution be

        24       read in its entirety and move for its

        25       immediate adoption.



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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         2       Senator Klein, has this resolution been deemed

         3       privileged and submitted by the office of the

         4       Temporary President?

         5                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Yes, it has,

         6       Mr. President.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         8       Secretary will then read.

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

        10       Sampson, legislative resolution commemorating

        11       the anniversary celebration of the birthday of

        12       the revered Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem

        13       M. Schneerson, upon the occasion of a memorial

        14       reception to be held in the New York State

        15       Capitol on March 22, 2010.

        16                  "WHEREAS, The true architects of

        17       society and community are those individuals

        18       whose faith and unremitting commitments serve

        19       to sustain the spiritual and cultural values

        20       of life.  The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi

        21       Menachem M. Schneerson, was surely such an

        22       individual; and

        23                  "WHEREAS, World Jewry will honor

        24       its immortal leader, Rabbi Menachem M.

        25       Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, upon the



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         1       occasion of the anniversary of his birthday,

         2       with '108 days of education,' in fitting

         3       tribute to this esteemed spiritual leader; and

         4                  "WHEREAS, The Lubavitcher Rebbe,

         5       over his 44 years of dedicated leadership,

         6       established over 1,500 Lubavitch Centers,

         7       helping people of all walks of life throughout

         8       the world, from Australia to Africa, from

         9       Holland to Argentina, and from Moscow to

        10       Jerusalem; and

        11                  "WHEREAS, Rabbi Schneerson's

        12       educational activities throughout the globe

        13       have enriched and strengthened the religious,

        14       educational, cultural, moral and ethical

        15       fibers of all citizens of the world; and

        16                  "WHEREAS, The Rebbe proclaimed that

        17       the time of Redemption has arrived and

        18       Moshiach is on his way; and

        19                  "WHEREAS, The Lubavitcher Rebbe

        20       called upon all citizens of the world to

        21       prepare for the Great Redemption with a

        22       personal commitment to increase charity and

        23       good deeds; and

        24                  "WHEREAS, A memorial reception will

        25       be held at the New York State Capitol on



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         1       Monday, March 22, 2010, in tribute and

         2       remembrance of Rabbi Schneerson, the leading

         3       rabbi of his generation; and

         4                  "WHEREAS, This year, Friday,

         5       March 26, 2010, corresponding to 11 Nissan,

         6       5770, the Rebbe's birthday, to Sunday,

         7       July 11, 2010, corresponding to 29 Tammuz,

         8       5770, will be celebrated as '108 Days of

         9       Education,' in tribute to the educational

        10       endeavors of this visionary leader and learned

        11       gentleman on behalf of all mankind; and

        12                  "WHEREAS, Throughout his purposeful

        13       journey of life, Rabbi Schneerson compiled,

        14       with dignity and grace, decades filled with

        15       philanthropic causes, humanitarian effort and

        16       astute Judaic leadership, justly earning the

        17       devotion of his followers and the admiration

        18       and respect of his fellow man; now, therefore,

        19       be it

        20                  "RESOLVED, That this Legislative

        21       Body pause in its deliberations to commemorate

        22       the traditional observance of the anniversary

        23       of the birthday of the Lubavitcher Rebbe,

        24       Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, upon the

        25       occasion of a memorial reception to be held in



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         1       the New York State Capitol on March 22, 2010,

         2       and to recognize March 26, 2010, to July 11,

         3       2010, as '108 Days of Education,' in tribute

         4       to the educational endeavors of the beloved

         5       Rebbe; and be it further

         6                  "RESOLVED, That a copy of this

         7       resolution, suitably engrossed, be transmitted

         8       to Rabbi Shmuel M. Butman, director of the

         9       Lubavitch Youth Organization."

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

        11       question is on the resolution.  All those in

        12       favor please signify by saying aye.

        13                  (Response of "Aye.")

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        15       Opposed, nay.

        16                  (No response.)

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

        18       resolution is adopted.

        19                  Senator Sampson has requested that

        20       everyone in the chamber will be put on for

        21       cosponsorship unless you notify the desk

        22       otherwise.

        23                  Thank you, Rabbi.

        24                  RABBI BUTMAN:    Thank you very,

        25       very much.  Thank you.  Thank you.



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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         2       Senator Klein.

         3                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Mr. President, I

         4       believe there's a resolution at the desk by

         5       Senator DeFrancisco.  I ask that the title of

         6       the resolution be read and move for its

         7       immediate adoption and allow Senator

         8       DeFrancisco to speak on said resolution.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        10       Senator Klein, has this resolution been deemed

        11       privileged and submitted by the office of the

        12       Temporary President?

        13                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Yes, it has,

        14       Mr. President.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        16       you, Senator Klein.

        17                  Senator DeFrancisco.

        18                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Thank you,

        19       Mr. President.  Again, we're rising to

        20       acknowledge a championship football team --

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Excuse

        22       me, Senator DeFrancisco.  Just one moment.

        23                  The Secretary will first read the

        24       title of the resolution.

        25                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Oh, okay.



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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

         2       DeFrancisco, legislative resolution

         3       congratulating the Westhill Football Team and

         4       Coach Gary Griffo upon the occasion of

         5       capturing the 2009 Class B Section III and the

         6       Class B Regional Championships.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         8       Senator DeFrancisco.

         9                  SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:    Thank you,

        10       Mr. President.

        11                  Again, we're here to acknowledge

        12       the success of a Central New York championship

        13       team.  And I met all of these young men on a

        14       prior occasion, and today we had lunch

        15       together.

        16                  And what's very wonderful about

        17       this particular group, it's not only their

        18       success on the football field, with an

        19       11-and-1 record -- and by the way, some of the

        20       players are on the basketball team which this

        21       weekend won the state championship.  So

        22       there's a few good athletes in the 49th Senate

        23       District.

        24                  And those athletes don't come --

        25       some are born to be good athletes, but to



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         1       become a great team, you need team spirit and

         2       a team philosophy.  And that's exactly why

         3       they're here.

         4                  But one thing I want to read you

         5       about the resolution, very, very briefly.  Not

         6       only did the team win this championship, but

         7       they received the New York State Scholar

         8       Athlete Team Award.  Not an individual award

         9       for various people who do well in academics,

        10       but the team award.  And that is just as

        11       important, I believe, academically as the

        12       athletic award is for these championships that

        13       they have won.

        14                  So I want to thank them for coming,

        15       congratulate them on their success, and wish

        16       all of them the success that I know they're

        17       going to achieve in the rest of their lives

        18       through the same hard work and dedication that

        19       they've shown up to this point in their lives.

        20                  And I know you ran into Senator

        21       Maziarz, some of you did, on the elevator.  He

        22       said something about North Tonawanda.  I'm not

        23       so sure where it is, either.

        24                  (Laughter.)

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         1       come here very often to be awarded anything.

         2       But Westhill and all the great teams in

         3       Central New York are here often.

         4                  Thank you, Mr. President.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

         6       you, Senator DeFrancisco.

         7                  Senator Maziarz.

         8                  SENATOR MAZIARZ:    Thank you,

         9       Mr. President.

        10                  I too want to join my colleague

        11       Senator DeFrancisco in congratulating this,

        12       the second football team, the second

        13       championship team we've had here.  The first,

        14       of course, was from North Tonawanda, which is

        15       God's country, Senator DeFrancisco.

        16                  Thank you.

        17                  (Laughter.)

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        19       you, Senator Maziarz.

        20                  The question is on the resolution.

        21       All those in favor please signify by saying

        22       aye.

        23                  (Response of "Aye.")

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        25       Opposed, nay.



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         1                  (No response.)

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         3       resolution is adopted.

         4                  Congratulations to the Westhill

         5       Football Team.

         6                  (Applause.)

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         8       Senator Klein.

         9                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Mr. President, I

        10       believe there's a resolution at the desk by

        11       Senator Sampson.  I ask that the title of the

        12       resolution be read and move for its immediate

        13       adoption.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        15       Senator Klein, has this resolution been deemed

        16       privileged and submitted by the office of the

        17       Temporary President?

        18                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Yes, it has,

        19       Mr. President.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

        21       Secretary will read.

        22                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

        23       Sampson, Senate Resolution adopting a budget

        24       resolution proposing amendments to the

        25       2010-2011 Executive Budget submission



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         1       (Legislative Bills Senate 6600A, 6601, 6602,

         2       6603A, 6604A, 6605A, 6606A, 6607A, 6608A,

         3       6609A, 6610A, 6611A, 6612A, 6613A, 6614A, and

         4       Senate Print 6615A).

         5                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    Mr. President,

         6       could I ask that this resolution be laid aside

         7       for discussion, please.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         9       resolution is laid aside.

        10                  Senator Klein.

        11                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Mr. President, at

        12       this time can we please move to a

        13       controversial reading of the resolution.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    We

        15       will now move to the controversial reading of

        16       the resolution.

        17                  The Secretary will read the title.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    By Senator

        19       Sampson, Senate Resolution adopting a budget

        20       resolution proposing amendments to the

        21       2010-2011 Executive Budget submission.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        23       Senator Kruger.

        24                  SENATOR CARL KRUGER:    Thank you,

        25       Mr. President.



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         1                  On this budget resolution, if we

         2       can just sit back and reflect for a few

         3       moments, odd as it may be, this is March 22nd

         4       and we have on the floor today a resolution

         5       that is in balance that presents a road map

         6       for this year's Executive Budget.

         7                  This is without a doubt one of the

         8       most difficult budgets any member of this

         9       chamber will have worked on in our history.

        10       However, despite the daunting economic

        11       challenges facing New York and our country,

        12       this budget is about priorities.  It is about

        13       doing everything within our power to enact a

        14       fair, bipartisan, and responsible budget which

        15       controls spending, creates new jobs, protects

        16       services, and a budget that communities can

        17       rely upon.

        18                  This resolution is a statement of

        19       New Yorkers' values.  The public was more

        20       involved in this process than, at least in my

        21       memory, in the 16 years that I've served in

        22       this chamber.  Our joint budget hearings were

        23       some of the most robust that ever took place,

        24       and they were in the most active in our

        25       history.



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         1                  Over 13 hearings were held.  We

         2       collected more than 120 hours of verbal

         3       testimony from more than 300 taxpayers, from

         4       organizations, from advocates, and from

         5       leaders from communities across our great

         6       state.  We received thousands upon thousands

         7       of responses.  We received emails and phone

         8       calls.  There was a give-and-take between the

         9       parties.  But the message was always very

        10       clear, it was very succinct, and it was on the

        11       point -- that they could not afford the fiscal

        12       irresponsibility of the past decades.  Too

        13       often they were left with the bill for

        14       Albany's unsustainable spending.

        15                  We heard them, we listened

        16       carefully, we understood the message, we

        17       understand the global meltdown that our world

        18       is facing, that our nation has looked straight

        19       at, and that our state must deal with.  We

        20       took that challenge, and we've embraced it.

        21       And in the process of embracing it, we've

        22       taken that challenge and turned it into real

        23       opportunity.

        24                  Now we're ready to begin a

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         1       conference committees, as the first step to

         2       respond to the Governor's proposed budget.  We

         3       recognize the need for conversation, for

         4       ideas, for dialogue and for proposals.  That's

         5       why this is what it says it is:  It's a

         6       resolution.  It's a road map to victory.

         7                  It's a road map that says that we

         8       as legislators in this house have the shared

         9       responsibility on both sides of the aisle to

        10       recognize the mistakes of the past and to

        11       build a strong economic foundation for the

        12       future.  It is the time for a sensible plan to

        13       be put on the table of what has to be done.

        14                  This resolution puts people back to

        15       work through a comprehensive jobs program that

        16       will attract new businesses and support new

        17       business owners while trying to grow and

        18       succeed both in their own endeavors and

        19       support their families.  It will provide the

        20       first step of relief for overburdened

        21       homeowners, with property tax relief for

        22       seniors and a long-range plan for property tax

        23       relief for all New Yorkers in the future.

        24                  We recognize that New Yorkers can

        25       no longer afford additional tax burdens, and



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         1       we oppose all of the Governor's tax increases.

         2                  The proposal that we make today

         3       demonstrates that we can do more with less and

         4       begins to shrink the size and scope of

         5       government so that all New Yorkers that have

         6       to for over decades of runaway spending that

         7       have created costly and inefficient

         8       bureaucracies will ultimately be brought into

         9       control.

        10                  We prioritize the services that

        11       New Yorkers treasure and the critical programs

        12       that they rely upon most.  It also makes

        13       difficult but fair reductions in spending that

        14       we cannot afford.

        15                  The budget, in principle, has

        16       several component parts.  I'll go through them

        17       and then we will be able to address them in

        18       more greater detail.

        19                  The spending plan is a General Fund

        20       of $50.3 billion, which is the same as the

        21       Governor's 21-day plan.  General Funds

        22       increased spending by approximately a billion

        23       dollars between 2009 and 2010 because the

        24       Governor rolled a $1.4 billion projected

        25       deficit into fiscal year 2010-2011.



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         1                  Our budget resolution calls for All

         2       Funds of $136.2 billion, $100 million or

         3       0.1 percent greater than the Governor's

         4       budget.  All Funds spending increased by

         5       $3.1 billion, or 2.3 percent over 2009-2010.

         6       Of this $3.1 billion increase, $2 billion

         7       comes from increases at DOT and for payments

         8       of principal and interest -- and listen to

         9       this -- on the state debt that was accumulated

        10       and was restructured as part of the 2005

        11       bonding restructuring.

        12                  Taxes and revenue are rejected.  We

        13       rejected $1.1 billion worth of the Governor's

        14       proposed tax increases.  The tax on syrup,

        15       $465 million, is rejected.  The cigarette tax

        16       of $210 million is rejected.  Wine in the

        17       grocery stores, for $253 million, is rejected.

        18       And the GRT on healthcare providers of

        19       $216 million is rejected.

        20                  We offer tax relief.  We propose

        21       that we provide more than $500 million of real

        22       property tax relief by rejecting cuts to STAR

        23       of $213 million and have added STAR tax rebate

        24       checks of $291 million.

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         1       restored cuts to SUNY and CUNY community

         2       colleges worth $57 million.  We restored $75

         3       across the board on the TAP reductions, worth

         4       $17 million.  We restored the closure of 57

         5       state parks and reduced operations at 21

         6       additional state parks, for $11 million.  We

         7       restored $20 million for senior citizen and

         8       child care out of Title 20 funds.  So in

         9       New York City, when the mayor said that we

        10       were going to have to close 21 senior centers

        11       across this state because of the Governor's

        12       budget, this resolution provides the funds

        13       necessary to keep those centers open and

        14       operating.

        15                  I think that's the salient point

        16       that we have to make today.  The combination

        17       of cuts and restorations provides what we need

        18       to go forward with a strong agenda,

        19       recognizing our obligation to downsize

        20       government without destroying the very fabric

        21       of our middle-class tax base and our senior

        22       needs and the healthcare community as well.

        23                  We accepted revenue-generating

        24       actions that provided an additional

        25       $100 million to the budget.  The PIT



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         1       nonresident allocation gains $30 million.  A

         2       mixed martial arts program, a simple

         3       $2.1 million.  We included in the New York

         4       City Housing Development Corporation a

         5       business integrity commission for $3 million.

         6       We allow for a statistical sampling audit at

         7       $8 million.  We increase certain civil court

         8       filing fees for $31 million.  Permit and speed

         9       enforcement cameras of $25 million.  We

        10       dissolved the Genesee Valley Regional Market

        11       Authority for $12 million.

        12                  Revenue actions that do not

        13       generate funding but at the same time

        14       alleviate state responsibilities are also part

        15       of this dynamic resolution.  It eliminates the

        16       state's role in dog licensing for minus 76.

        17       Repeal the state centralized procurement

        18       contract fees, minus 3.3.  Enhance low-income

        19       housing credit, minus 4.  Allow for

        20       streamlined sales on the Internet, minus 375.

        21                  On the health side, savings of

        22       $335 million more than the Governor proposed.

        23       We accepted the Governor's proposal to

        24       increase the Medicaid fraud audit target from

        25       $870 million to $2.1 billion, which will save



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         1       the state an additional $200 million, more

         2       than the Governor's $300 million in his

         3       original fraud projection savings -- a total

         4       of $500 million in total savings.

         5                  We reduced management care premiums

         6       by $61.4 million.  We discontinued the

         7       Medicaid HCRA trend factor for $99.1 million.

         8                  Additionally, the Senate Majority

         9       has taken the initiative for additional

        10       savings.  We've implemented an autism

        11       legislation with passage -- Senate 7000 --

        12       that will save $15 million.  We eliminated a

        13       COLA for community health programs,

        14       $28.9 million.  We enact a Medicaid

        15       re-estimate of $302 million.  And we enact

        16       personal care additional utilization reviews

        17       of $10 million.

        18                  We reject out of the Governor's

        19       proposal redirect utilization of personal

        20       care, elimination of Medicare Part D

        21       wraparound, the Insurance Department prior

        22       approval for Medicaid and Family Health Plus,

        23       a CHIP prior authorization, and we eliminate

        24       special optional services.

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         1       the $2.2 billion in savings for education,

         2       $1.4 billion and then higher education an

         3       additional $800 million.  The Senate in its

         4       resolution rejects community college base aid,

         5       $56.7 million.  Seventy-five dollars across

         6       the board TAP reductions of $16.5 million.  A

         7       new TAP schedule for a two-year program of

         8       $68 million.

         9                  Additional savings that will be

        10       garnered out of this resolution further go

        11       towards dealing with our State University

        12       system.  The SUNY-wide programs would be

        13       reduced by $15.3 million.  CUNY-wide program

        14       reductions equal $14.5 million.  We expand

        15       gaming options to fund education by

        16       $100 million.

        17                  As we go forward in this process,

        18       we have to recognize that we're dealing with

        19       the fact that New York is in trouble.  But for

        20       years, Albany has done nothing.  For decades,

        21       this house has agreed to and has spent well

        22       beyond its means.  This house for 30 years,

        23       under both the administration of George Pataki

        24       and Senator Joseph Bruno, has had wild and

        25       misplaced spending, spending that today puts



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         1       us very well in the position that we are faced

         2       with.

         3                  We have to recognize the fact that

         4       in the last previous DRP and the one before

         5       that, we took a pledge and a promise to every

         6       New Yorker that said that we would not have

         7       midyear cuts to health and education.  And we

         8       lived up to that commitment.

         9                  But nevertheless, in previous

        10       years, this house has spent more than we have

        11       had, and we've stuck the people with the

        12       bills.

        13                  We need a fair and responsible

        14       bipartisan budget this time.  New Yorkers

        15       can't afford more than what they already are

        16       paying.  We can't spend more than we make, and

        17       we can't make more than we already have

        18       without building jobs, without rebuilding the

        19       economy, without reshaping the way government

        20       functions.  And that's what this road map

        21       towards responsible budgeting is all about,

        22       making smart cuts and smart choices.

        23                  We have to find common ground in a

        24       bipartisan way for the crisis that we all

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         1       but neither are the choices facing families

         2       across this state.  We have to balance our

         3       checkbook the same way as a family has to

         4       balance theirs.

         5                  Bottom line, we can't spend more

         6       than we have, and we can't shift our burden

         7       any more to the taxpaying public.  We can't

         8       let New York become California.

         9                  This is our first step, and it will

        10       give us an opportunity to move forward with

        11       conference committees and with a bipartisan

        12       approach.

        13                  I offer today to my colleagues a

        14       new opportunity, forged with challenge, but at

        15       the same time respective of our common needs.

        16       If we join hands on both sides of the aisle in

        17       that partnership, if we galvanize our thoughts

        18       and our very beings to see that we are sent

        19       here to do the right thing, the responsible

        20       thing, and the fair thing for people that

        21       otherwise might not speak for themselves --

        22       the poor, the sick, the elderly, children, the

        23       developmentally disabled -- if we can put

        24       together all of those elements in a

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         1       joining with the Assembly and with the support

         2       of the Governor, we can find a new tomorrow

         3       that's filled with light and hope, a tomorrow

         4       that we can build on, a tomorrow that we can

         5       say with absolute certainty that regardless of

         6       this generation and generations that we will

         7       never know, met with the challenge, this house

         8       seized the opportunity and joined hands to be

         9       people that truly make a difference.

        10                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        12       you, Senator Kruger.

        13                  Senator Klein.

        14                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Mr. President,

        15       upon unanimous consent, I ask that the roll be

        16       opened for the privileged resolution so

        17       Senator Schneiderman can vote on the said

        18       resolution.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

        20       Secretary will call the roll on the

        21       resolution.

        22                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        24       Senator Schneiderman.

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         1       aye.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         3       roll call is withdrawn.

         4                  The resolution is before the house.

         5                  Senator Liz Krueger.

         6                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    Thank you

         7       very much, Mr. President.  I will be brief.

         8                  My colleague Senator Carl Kruger

         9       talked about the importance of passing this

        10       budget resolution in a bipartisan way to

        11       ensure that we can move forward with the

        12       budget process in a timely way.  I will simply

        13       state that for Senator Carl Kruger and Senator

        14       Liz Krueger to agree on anything as complex as

        15       this clearly is a bipartisan agreement.

        16                  (Laughter.)

        17                  SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER:    I am a

        18       liberal Democrat.  This is a budget that is

        19       cutting many things I care about.  But I know

        20       that the State of New York is in very dire

        21       economic times.  And to be honest, we expect

        22       to have several years of bad economics.

        23                  And so we need, as a house and as a

        24       joint Legislature, with the Governor, to move

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         1       can, protects those who are most needy in our

         2       communities in bad economic times, but also

         3       recognize that the cupboard is dry and that we

         4       have to make tough decisions, as the leaders

         5       of the state, and go home and explain to our

         6       people we had no choice but to move this kind

         7       of very difficult budget.

         8                  So I vote aye, and I hope all my

         9       colleagues on both sides of the aisle will

        10       vote aye.

        11                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        13       you, Senator Krueger.

        14                  Senator Klein.

        15                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Thank you,

        16       Mr. President.

        17                  I'm going to be brief, because

        18       Senator Carl Kruger I think did an excellent

        19       job in outlining this resolution.

        20                  But I think everyone is on the same

        21       page where we understand this is a very, very

        22       difficult choice we make today on voting yes

        23       on this budget resolution.  But we have to

        24       make the difficult choices, because that's

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         1       send us to Albany to do.

         2                  I think the voters have also been

         3       very, very clear.  They want cuts.  They want

         4       us to decrease spending.  They want us, as

         5       they do each and every day, balance their

         6       checkbook, tighten their belts.

         7                  Well, this budget does that.  And I

         8       think at the end of the day we are doing the

         9       people's business today.  Because the next

        10       step is conference committees.  And I think

        11       we're able to do this, as I know Carl

        12       mentioned, in rejecting what I think are very,

        13       very important tax increases, taxes that the

        14       public can't take any longer -- like the soda

        15       tax, a cigarette tax, the wine in groceries,

        16       which would have hurt our key areas of small

        17       business in our communities, and of course the

        18       GRT on healthcare providers, which of course

        19       is always passed on to the consumer.

        20                  But as I said, our job isn't done

        21       here today.  Because when we go into

        22       conference committees, we still have a job to

        23       do to fund the property tax relief plan that

        24       we passed almost unanimously here last week.

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         1       $290 million in the budget to restore the STAR

         2       rebate check for seniors, but we need to do

         3       more.  So I'm hopeful that in a bipartisan

         4       fashion, when we reach these conference

         5       committees, we'll discuss collecting taxes on

         6       cigarettes sold on Native American

         7       reservations.  We will discuss doing something

         8       about the out-of-control overtime that exists,

         9       $450 million spent last year on what I

        10       consider nonessential, nonmandatory overtime.

        11       We have to look to consolidate agencies.

        12       These are the things we need to do.

        13                  And hopefully, when we go to the

        14       conference committees, we'll find the

        15       additional monies to do property tax relief.

        16       Because as I said, our job is only half done

        17       here today.  We put in the start of a balanced

        18       budget.  We've made the difficult choices.

        19       But I think the next step, and the only way we

        20       really fulfill our duty to New Yorkers, is to

        21       provide real property tax relief at the end of

        22       this budget process.

        23                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        25       you, Senator Klein.



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         1                  Senator Hassell-Thompson.

         2                  SENATOR HASSELL-THOMPSON:    Thank

         3       you, Mr. President.

         4                  I just rise to vote yes on this

         5       resolution and to talk about the fact that

         6       this is probably historically one of the most

         7       difficult budgets that the State Legislature

         8       ever had to do.

         9                  And I know that there have been

        10       tremendous calls from both sides of the aisle

        11       to our offices talking about the need for

        12       restoration.  And what we have attempted to do

        13       is to take every call, every request, very

        14       seriously.

        15                  But as I looked at and was

        16       responsible for helping to look at the issues

        17       of the public protection issue, we have

        18       accepted a lot of the recommendations of the

        19       Governor in this budget.  And we have made

        20       some very severe cuts.  But one of the things

        21       that I am determined that this budget will not

        22       do, and that is put any of our security in

        23       our -- our guards within our prisons, as well

        24       as prisons, in danger by doing anything that

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         1       the budget put us in an unsafe situation.

         2                  I know that there are people who

         3       just believe that people should be locked up

         4       in prison and we should throw away the key.

         5       But what this budget has attempted to do, even

         6       in this period of austerity, is to follow a

         7       public policy that says that our prisons are

         8       the place for those who have committed crimes,

         9       but where we have opportunities to create

        10       alternatives for incarceration, we must do so.

        11       And in the process of doing that, we must

        12       ensure that the conditions that we pose are

        13       safe in that process.

        14                  This budget is painful for

        15       everyone, and certainly for the public

        16       protection committees and those committees

        17       that are under the heading of public

        18       protection.  But know that this is in the best

        19       interests of this state, and cut we must.  And

        20       we've tried to do it in a manner that is both

        21       safe and judicious.

        22                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        24       you, Senator Hassell-Thompson.

        25                  Senator Craig Johnson.



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         1                  SENATOR CRAIG JOHNSON:    Thank you

         2       very much, Mr. President.  I rise in support

         3       of the resolution as well.

         4                  It's been said before, it will be

         5       said afterwards this afternoon, it will be

         6       said from now until we finish this budget

         7       process and beyond:  These are difficult

         8       economic times.  And you don't have to be a

         9       rocket scientist or a reader of the business

        10       pages to understand that.  Just walk down the

        11       Main Street where you live, the thoroughfares,

        12       the parks where our families play, and

        13       everybody is feeling the pinch.

        14                  And this budget resolution starts

        15       the process in recognizing how do we address

        16       these financial challenges -- challenges that

        17       didn't just show up in one day.  They're

        18       challenges that we are facing today based upon

        19       a long-range process here in New York State.

        20                  And so what we're doing today is

        21       starting to fix that process.  We have a

        22       budget resolution that starts taking care of

        23       our seniors when to comes to property tax

        24       relief, as well as all homeowners in

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         1       this resolution that's going to help put

         2       people back to work and help protect those who

         3       still have jobs.  It deals with the economic

         4       development so sorely needed from upstate

         5       New York all the way down to the tip of Long

         6       Island.  It protects our healthcare providers

         7       who are facing the pressure when it comes to

         8       investigations of Medicaid fraud.

         9                  There's no doubt that all of us

        10       here have issues with this budget.  No one

        11       here was elected to cut healthcare or cut

        12       education.  We all want to see and protect

        13       those who go to traditional public schools,

        14       charter schools, parochial schools,

        15       independent schools.  And we have to use the

        16       conference committee process, as Senator Klein

        17       said, to start talking about these issues,

        18       addressing issues like the cap and cap

        19       formulas and cap expenses that our parochial

        20       schools face, dealing with the healthcare cuts

        21       and the education cuts.

        22                  And we have to use that budget

        23       conference committee process to hear ideas

        24       both within the Democratic conference side but

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         1                  I don't know how my friends on the

         2       other side of the aisle are going to vote

         3       today.  I guess we'll hear that shortly.  But

         4       I was struck by something last night, in

         5       listening to the debate on the House floor.

         6                  First, I would hope as we go

         7       through this budget process that our tone

         8       amongst ourselves remains as civil as it has

         9       been in the past.  I was certainly troubled

        10       and maybe all of us were troubled by some of

        11       the tone and comments made on both sides of

        12       the aisle during the healthcare vote.

        13                  But something that I heard and

        14       found interesting is in the process of the

        15       House vote, one thing that was mentioned was

        16       the fact that there were over 200

        17       Republican-sponsored amendments in the final

        18       bill.

        19                  I'm hopeful that as we work our way

        20       through the budget, I look forward to hearing

        21       the ideas from my Republican colleagues.

        22       Let's start today and go forward, how we can

        23       make this a better, stronger effort on this

        24       house.

        25                  So I look forward to the budget



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         1       process as we start today, as we have been

         2       doing in the past.

         3                  Mr. President, I will be voting

         4       aye.  Thank you very much.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

         6       you, Senator Johnson.

         7                  Senator Smith.

         8                  SENATOR SMITH:    Thank you very

         9       much, Mr. President.

        10                  The public has made three things

        11       very clear to each one of us with regard to

        12       the direction that the State of New York is

        13       going.  The first thing is they talk about the

        14       importance of job creation.  The second thing

        15       they talk about is doing something to

        16       alleviate the tax burden -- that is, business,

        17       personal and property tax burden -- to them.

        18       And the last thing is controlling spending.

        19                  This resolution, that I commend

        20       both Senator Kruger and Senator Sampson for

        21       orchestrating and engineering, does just that.

        22       While we know there is more work that will be

        23       done, and we know that we will move into our

        24       conference committees with the Assembly as

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         1       of the aisle, there is property tax relief in

         2       this resolution; job creation, by virtue of

         3       the motion picture post-production tax credit

         4       piece and focus on high-speed rail, which we

         5       all know will create over a quarter of a

         6       million jobs just in high-speed rail alone;

         7       and, three, clearly we are controlling

         8       spending by balancing a budget that has a

         9       $9 billion deficit to it.

        10                  We know that we have a long way to

        11       go.  And it is my belief, when conference

        12       committees are conducted, that this will end

        13       up being a fair and responsible budget, one

        14       that will be bipartisan as well, one that we

        15       will be able to all go home and demonstrate

        16       one characteristic of leadership, and that is

        17       making tough choices during tough times.

        18                  And during these extraordinary

        19       times, it requires extraordinary action.

        20       Today we're taking the first step on that

        21       action, Mr. President, and I vote aye.

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        23       you, Senator Smith.

        24                  Senator DeFrancisco.

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         1       Mr. President.

         2                  I listened very carefully to the

         3       presentations from the speakers on the other

         4       side of the aisle, and I sat thinking here how

         5       could I possibly find anything to disagree

         6       with.  The resolution is making all kinds of

         7       restorations, not increasing taxes, and doing

         8       all things that are good and rejecting all

         9       things that are bad.

        10                  So I figured, knowing that --

        11       having lived, so far, a relatively long life,

        12       there must be something that's just not quite

        13       right.  Because you can't have everything in

        14       the type of climate that we have now and where

        15       we have a severe recession.  And after

        16       thinking about it, I pretty much have decided

        17       that there are a few holes in this.  And I

        18       want to try to point out a couple of them.

        19                  The first one is the process.

        20       There was a lot of congratulatory comments

        21       concerning we're going to start conference

        22       committees and the like.  But we have a law

        23       that was passed that required us to appoint

        24       conference committees 10 days after the

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         1       process so there could be truly a deliberative

         2       process and truly bipartisan input into the

         3       process with both houses.

         4                  Well, now we're not 10 days after

         5       the Governor's submitted the budget, we're

         6       about 10 days before the deadline for a budget

         7       to be passed.  And to me, that isn't enough

         8       time to give the process what it's supposed to

         9       have -- namely, public debate, public output,

        10       and public input to get the type of result

        11       that we're really looking for.

        12                  So with respect to the process, I

        13       think the process is faulty.  And we're

        14       certainly welcoming conference committees,

        15       because we've been asking for them for at

        16       least a month now.  But we've wasted a month

        17       in trying to get a truly bipartisan product.

        18                  And this product, by the way, that

        19       we're debating today was presented to us in

        20       draft form for the first time yesterday

        21       afternoon at 3 o'clock, and in final form

        22       today at 2 o'clock, a little over an hour

        23       before this particular session started.

        24                  So it seems to me that if there was

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         1       some bipartisan discussion and some input and

         2       to try to get some kind of product here that

         3       would start this process off running, that

         4       really truly didn't happen.

         5                  With respect to the substance,

         6       Senator Carl Kruger indicated that what he has

         7       before us is a road map to victory.  Well, the

         8       road map that I see here is really to a dead

         9       end, not to victory.  Because you can't have

        10       everything in a situation that we're in right

        11       now economically.

        12                  And how did we possibly balance

        13       this budget by restoring all of these

        14       wonderful things -- or how did they do it, and

        15       still getting rid of all the taxes?  Well,

        16       simple answer.  It's not balanced.  We had

        17       asked for a financial plan which would show

        18       how the budget was balanced.  And according to

        19       our estimates from this -- approximately

        20       24 hours from receiving the draft of this

        21       document -- it's out of balance by about a

        22       billion and a half dollars.

        23                  So that's one of the reasons why

        24       the all-too-good-to-be-true proposal that's

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         1       it's not all that true.

         2                  Secondly, everybody who knows the

         3       problems in the State of New York knows there

         4       is a structural deficit.  And that structural

         5       deficit has to be dealt with.  We talked about

         6       this during the process of last year's budget.

         7       And despite the newly found desire to cut on

         8       the other side of the aisle, we increased

         9       spending -- or they increased spending,

        10       because we all voted no on this side of the

        11       aisle -- by $12 billion, and increased taxes

        12       by $8 billion.

        13                  Now, you only wonder, I just

        14       wonder, if we didn't increase spending by

        15       $12 billion last year, if we just held the

        16       line, would we have a $9 billion deficit this

        17       year?  Someone else will have to do that math.

        18       It's a little bit above me.

        19                  But the fact of the matter is is

        20       that we overspent last year.  And Carl Kruger

        21       has indicated that the Pataki/Bruno years, the

        22       budgets, that caused this problem.  Well, the

        23       biggest problem was last year when we had a

        24       problem, and that problem was ignored.  In

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         1                  And just in order so that we don't

         2       have revisionist history here, the fact of the

         3       matter is every one of those budgets, except

         4       for few Democrats in the past, voted for.  So

         5       it wasn't the evil Republican majority at that

         6       time.

         7                  Secondly, if I recall -- and I was

         8       here all of those years -- there were

         9       amendments that were always proposed by the

        10       Democrats, now in the majority.  And there was

        11       never an amendment, never an amendment to

        12       reduce spending, it was always to add more to

        13       education or to add more to this or to add

        14       more of that.  So before we get into the

        15       campaign mode of this problem being blamed for

        16       30 years on one party, I think it can be

        17       clearly shown otherwise.

        18                  Now, in addition to the fact that

        19       it's not balanced, Senator Carl Kruger

        20       indicated that we've got to do what our

        21       families are doing, balancing their

        22       checkbooks.  We've got to do it with the

        23       state.  No truer words have ever been said.

        24       In fact, we've said it on this side of the

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         1                  But the fact of the matter is is

         2       the family doesn't balance its budget by

         3       selling its couch one year and then by selling

         4       its car the next year.  They look at what

         5       their reoccurring expenses are in order to

         6       make sure that that reoccurring expenses are

         7       lowered so that the following year there's not

         8       a problem.

         9                  Here, there's increased spending

        10       over the Governor's budget which results in

        11       approximately, the way we calculate it,

        12       approximately $3 billion in more problems for

        13       next year's deficit.

        14                  So how do we close the amount that

        15       isn't just in balance?  One-shots.  Workers'

        16       Compensation Second Injury Fund, $300 million,

        17       a one-shot.  In other words, once that happens

        18       this year, you've got to find other one-shots

        19       or other couches to sell or cars to sell if

        20       we're going to have the family analogy.

        21                  Medicaid Part D, $204 million

        22       one-shot.  The data center cut, some data

        23       center, $9 million.  Medical fraud audit

        24       target, $200 million.  Federal FMAP,

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         1       they're done this year, that doesn't mean that

         2       they're going to be available next year.  So

         3       the structural deficit is still here.

         4                  Tobacco bond restructuring --

         5       that's a bond.  That's more borrowing.  The

         6       family doesn't go out and borrow against their

         7       house, a second or third mortgage, unless it's

         8       absolutely necessary.  You've got to cut

         9       spending -- $700 million.  Something, by the

        10       way, that the Governor rejected last year.

        11                  These are not solutions.  These are

        12       not road maps to victory.  This just keeps the

        13       same process going where we're ignoring, if we

        14       pass this resolution, the reoccurring problems

        15       of the state and just passing it on for

        16       another year by additional borrowing, through

        17       this tobacco bond restructuring, and one-shots

        18       that isn't going to resolve the problem.

        19                  So I am going to recommend to my

        20       conference that we vote no on this.  And until

        21       we deal with things like the fact that we

        22       spend more on Medicaid than the next two

        23       states combined, until we start dealing with

        24       making sure that the workforce is at the right

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         1       fair cuts in other areas -- I know Senator

         2       Hassell-Thompson mentioned about jails.  It's

         3       probably just a coincidence, and maybe I'm

         4       reading something in there, that the three

         5       jails that were closed were in only minority

         6       conference, Republican districts.

         7                  But the fact of the matter is is

         8       we've got to deal with things like home care,

         9       when $400 million is spent for personal care

        10       in the whole State of New York, except for

        11       New York City, where 1.6 billion is spent in

        12       New York City, which has about the same

        13       population as the rest of the state.

        14                  Those are the hard choices.  Those

        15       are choices that spread the burden regionally,

        16       and those are the choices that are going to

        17       make us healthy in the future for our children

        18       and those beyond.

        19                  So, Mr. President, I understand the

        20       belief on the other side of the aisle that

        21       this is the road map to victory.  I don't

        22       think it is.  And hopefully we, during the

        23       budget committee process, can bring this out

        24       to the public so the public will demand not

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         1       revenues to be reduced so that we can have a

         2       sound fiscal plan for the State of New York.

         3                  Thank you.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

         5       you, Senator DeFrancisco.

         6                  Senator LaValle.

         7                  SENATOR LaVALLE:    Thank you,

         8       Mr. President.

         9                  Oftentimes when I'm back home in

        10       Suffolk County and people talk to me about

        11       going to Albany, I say, "Well, it's more like

        12       the Emerald City."

        13                  And last Thursday we had a

        14       protracted debate on real property tax relief.

        15       And it's like following the Yellow Brick Road

        16       to having a great expectation on real property

        17       tax relief.

        18                  Well, as everyone fully knows the

        19       story, we get to the Emerald City and we find

        20       that behind the curtain is the wizard.  And I

        21       would say, when I looked at this resolution,

        22       after listening to the debate of last week --

        23       and I had expressed myself on Thursday that

        24       the proposal that was put forth by Senator

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         1       proposal, where we are spending $1.5 billion

         2       more than the Governor, we have, for real

         3       property tax relief, $291 million.

         4                  And the proposal -- and I had said

         5       this last week -- for the STAR rebate program,

         6       while our seniors have in the last two years

         7       not gotten Social Security increases, and that

         8       certainly as a group they are very deserving

         9       of relief -- but the STAR rebate program just

        10       takes out, voids anyone else who's not a

        11       senior.

        12                  So under last week's proposal and

        13       in this budget proposal, any person, any

        14       non-senior, any non-senior, in October, don't

        15       go to your mailbox, because there will be no

        16       check.  No check.  We certainly support our

        17       seniors being taken care of.  But any

        18       non-senior is not taken care of.

        19                  One of the central pieces, the

        20       circuit breaker program, where is the circuit

        21       breaker program?  Hello, where is the circuit

        22       breaker program?  We can't find it.  We talked

        23       about, in our proposal, a freeze for seniors

        24       70 or older.  Nowhere to be found.  Property

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         1                  When I look at -- and we all get

         2       parochial for our own districts or our

         3       region -- for Long Island, in terms of state

         4       aid and the cuts in state aid, it is like

         5       further salt in the wound.

         6                  So I think, if real property taxes

         7       was critically important, then you -- we added

         8       $1.5 billion.  I think we need to do a better

         9       job than $291 million.

        10                  And we're going to go to conference

        11       committees and we are going to have proposals

        12       and try and find money to ensure that every

        13       homeowner will be able to look in their

        14       mailbox, get a rebate check, or get something

        15       from a circuit breaker program or a senior

        16       have an option, if they're 70 or older, to be

        17       able to see in the years ahead in their life,

        18       be able to at least plan by freezing or

        19       capping their real property taxes.

        20                  So I heard Senator Klein very

        21       clearly say this is a beginning, we're going

        22       to move forward.  But I think if we are making

        23       a statement in this resolution, it is a

        24       whimper of a statement.  A priority gets a

        25       roar, not a wimp of a statement.



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         1                  Thank you, Mr. President.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

         3       you, Senator LaValle.

         4                  Senator Saland.

         5                  SENATOR SALAND:    Thank you,

         6       Mr. President.

         7                  Mr. President, I'm sure a number of

         8       our members are aware of the fact that from

         9       time to time I have risen to my feet to

        10       discuss issues surrounding the MTA.  And it's

        11       a subject which garners considerable interest

        12       for me, some might say even passion, and some

        13       might even say hatred.

        14                  So I was intrigued by the language

        15       I saw on page 48 of this budget resolution.

        16       And if Senator Carl Kruger, the Finance chair,

        17       would be kind enough to yield, I'd like to ask

        18       him -- perhaps through you, Mr. President,

        19       some questions.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        21       Perhaps.  Senator Kruger, do you yield to

        22       Senator Saland?

        23                  SENATOR CARL KRUGER:    Yes, I do.

        24       If I could just take out a copy for a moment.

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         1       may proceed, Senator Saland.

         2                  SENATOR SALAND:    I'm looking,

         3       Senator Kruger, about three-quarters of the

         4       way down the page.  There's a paragraph that

         5       deals with the mobility tax, commonly known to

         6       the rest of the world as the payroll tax.

         7                  SENATOR CARL KRUGER:    Okay.

         8                  SENATOR SALAND:    Now, what this

         9       section purports to do, among other things, it

        10       rejects the Executive's increase to New York

        11       City and -- I'm just following the language --

        12       proposes to authorize a business tax credit

        13       for a portion of the MTA mobility tax which

        14       would be graduated based upon usage of the MTA

        15       system by county.

        16                  Could you tell me what that portion

        17       is, how would it be determined, what would be

        18       the numerator, what would be the denominator?

        19                  SENATOR CARL KRUGER:    I see the

        20       point that you're making.

        21                  With your permission, Senator Foley

        22       might be able to answer this question better.

        23                  Senator Foley?

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

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         1                  SENATOR FOLEY:    Certainly.  Thank

         2       you.

         3                  First, let me just say to Senator

         4       Saland that overall, what we're going to see

         5       with this proposal today, the overall budget

         6       bill, is the opening, let's say, chapter to a

         7       process where we're going to have, I believe,

         8       even greater savings for property taxes.  I

         9       believe that we're going to see a level of

        10       restoration of cuts that have been made to

        11       education.  But this full well recognizes the

        12       fact that we have a very, very poor economy

        13       that we're dealing with.

        14                  The MTA tax credit as it's proposed

        15       here was inserted during this process.  I

        16       believe that during this process it's going to

        17       evolve over a period of days or weeks where it

        18       will be, in fact, a real payroll tax

        19       reduction.  As it's proposed here, it is as a

        20       tax credit.  But I think by the end of this

        21       process, Senator Saland, we're going to see

        22       some real savings for particularly the

        23       outlying areas of the MTA service area as

        24       relates to a payroll tax.

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         1       going to build on that, if you will, and I

         2       think we're going to see a greater savings

         3       going forward in this process for your county

         4       and for our county, where there will be a

         5       substantial, a substantial reduction in what's

         6       paid.

         7                  SENATOR SALAND:    Mr. President,

         8       would Senator Foley yield?  He has taken the

         9       floor from Senator Kruger.

        10                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        11       Senator Foley, will you yield to Senator

        12       Saland?

        13                  SENATOR FOLEY:    Yes.

        14                  SENATOR SALAND:    Senator Foley,

        15       first, an observation.  A business tax credit

        16       means that whomever is paying is going to pay,

        17       and then they're going to receive a quote,

        18       unquote, tax credit for having made that

        19       payment.  And in this case the business tax

        20       credit would be from the General Fund, would

        21       it not?

        22                  SENATOR FOLEY:    (Nodding.)

        23                  SENATOR SALAND:    Okay.  So the

        24       General Fund, then, would be responsible for

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         1                  Now, the formula is what I'm

         2       interested in.  What portion of the MTA

         3       payroll tax would one be eligible to have

         4       returned to your business?  And it's referred

         5       to being graduated based upon usage by county.

         6                  So when we look, we see that

         7       originally it was anticipated that a little

         8       over $1.5 billion would be raised.  I believe

         9       $1.1 billion was from the city, $230 million

        10       from the Island, and about 165 from the Hudson

        11       Valley.  Are those numbers relevant to that

        12       computation, or is there another computation?

        13                  I'll just add, just by way of

        14       additional data, there's over 7 million fares

        15       or people who use the MTA in New York City.

        16       There's probably, between the buses and the

        17       trains on the Island, less than 400,000 or

        18       around 400,000.  And in our region, Metro

        19       North, there's 287,000.

        20                  So amongst all those numbers, so

        21       that I can tell my businesses, who are just

        22       absolutely livid over this, what is it that

        23       they can expect?  How can they compute?

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

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         1                  SENATOR FOLEY:    Yes, through the

         2       chair.

         3                  I share your great concern about

         4       this.  I've heard the same from our business

         5       owners as well.  And that's why I have a

         6       proposal that I submitted several weeks ago

         7       that has a payroll tax proportionate to the

         8       use of the service.

         9                  And as it relates to the outlying

        10       areas of Suffolk County and the four northern

        11       counties, that would relate to about 11 cents

        12       as opposed to 34 cents per $100.  In fact, I

        13       hope we can get even lower than that.

        14                  The best way I can answer it today

        15       is that it is in this document today as a tax

        16       credit.  And since you have much more

        17       experience with budget resolutions than I do,

        18       you know that a budget resolution is just the

        19       start of a process.  And that as we go along

        20       this road, there will be changes and

        21       permutations to the budget resolution so when

        22       we finally arrive at a station, if you will,

        23       where we have an actual budget bill as opposed

        24       to a budget resolution, you're going to see

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         1       what the actual savings will be for our

         2       business owners.

         3                  What I can say confidently today is

         4       that at the end of this process there will be,

         5       at the very least, a 2/3 reduction for the

         6       businesses in your community as well as in

         7       mine.  It may even be more than that.  But for

         8       today's purposes, as it's presented here

         9       today, yes, you're right, it's presented as a

        10       tax credit, which is different from the way

        11       that I had proposed it several weeks ago.

        12                  But what's important is that it's

        13       incorporated into this budget resolution.  And

        14       I do expect, working with the Republicans as

        15       well as the Democrats in the different

        16       conferences, that we're going to improve this

        17       budget resolution.  And at the end of the day,

        18       we're going to have a direct savings for our

        19       businesses as opposed to them paying something

        20       and then getting a tax credit back.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        22       Senator Saland.

        23                  SENATOR SALAND:    Mr. President,

        24       would Senator Foley continue to yield?

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         1       Senator Foley, do you continue to yield to

         2       Senator Saland?

         3                  SENATOR FOLEY:    Yes, I do,

         4       Mr. President.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    You

         6       may proceed, Senator Saland, through the

         7       chair.

         8                  SENATOR SALAND:    Senator Foley, I

         9       think what you said in response to my question

        10       is that you are the architect of this concept,

        11       this language?

        12                  SENATOR FOLEY:    Not of the tax

        13       credit.  Through the chair, not of the tax

        14       credit.

        15                  As you know, my resolution -- which

        16       no doubt your staffs have taken a look at --

        17       that we've offered several weeks back speaks

        18       to a point of a direct payroll reduction in

        19       the amount of the taxes paid on a

        20       proportionate basis as you go out from the

        21       center of the service area to the outlying

        22       areas.  So it is materially different as far

        23       as the payroll tax as opposed to the tax

        24       credit.

        25                  What's important here, Senator



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         1       Saland, is that this document acknowledges the

         2       fact that we need to have some distinction

         3       made within the service area as to the

         4       proportion of use of the MTA.

         5                  So while I think that principle is

         6       embodied here, that it acknowledges that there

         7       needs to be a difference in what's paid in the

         8       MTA service area, I think the final exact

         9       language and, let's say, the arithmetic will

        10       be different from what we see here today.

        11                  SENATOR SALAND:    Thank you,

        12       Senator Foley.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        14       Senator Saland.

        15                  SENATOR SALAND:    Mr. President,

        16       on the resolution.

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        18       Senator Saland, on the resolution.

        19                  SENATOR SALAND:    If Senator

        20       Kruger yielded to Senator Foley to explain an

        21       MTA tax credit component comprised in this

        22       resolution, Senator Foley said "I'm not the

        23       author of this language," and Senator Kruger

        24       yielded to Senator Foley because apparently he

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         1       anybody who was the author of the language who

         2       wants to claim authorship of the language and

         3       can explain to me what this means to the 12

         4       counties that comprise the MTA?  Is anybody

         5       going to claim paternity of this section or

         6       maternity of this section?

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         8       Senator Kruger, why do you rise?

         9                  SENATOR CARL KRUGER:    Mr.

        10       President, I suspect there's an old axiom that

        11       says that success has many fathers and defeat

        12       is an orphan.

        13                  So to speak about paternity, let's

        14       talk about the MTA in general, and we can

        15       spend yards about it.  But at the same time,

        16       when we want to talk -- picking up on your

        17       conversation, I will claim authorship.  Okay?

        18                  Whenever we hear about the MTA, I

        19       wait to hear Senator Saland to offer his

        20       comments.  Very well put, in many instances,

        21       and very much on target.  And we always thank

        22       you for the dialogue.

        23                  When we're talking about a

        24       service --

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         1       me with kindness, Senator.  So I'll wait for

         2       the other shoe.

         3                  (Laughter.)

         4                  SENATOR CARL KRUGER:    No, no, no.

         5       This is an opportunity for us to have a

         6       lovefest.

         7                  (Laughter.)

         8                  SENATOR CARL KRUGER:    When we

         9       talk about the MTA, you know, I guess when we

        10       say their original slogan "We know how you

        11       feel about us, and we're trying to change

        12       it" -- well, we're trying to change the

        13       formula under which the payroll tax was

        14       structured as part of what many called the MTA

        15       solution.  I called it the MTA money grab.

        16                  So while we focus on what we're

        17       trying to accomplish, we're taking the

        18       greatest-use factor, which is obviously the

        19       City of New York, and in concentric circles

        20       widening it out till we get to counties such

        21       as that you represent, and trying to factor

        22       out the equation to create some balance of

        23       equilibrium.

        24                  It necessarily is not -- as I said,

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         1       deserves further dialogue, it certainly

         2       deserves discussion.  But it's also a

         3       recognition that there's something that should

         4       be done and has to be done to address the

         5       inequities that the outer counties are facing

         6       in terms of supporting the infrastructure in

         7       the MTA.

         8                  So I accept responsibility for the

         9       authorship of the concept.  I hope to be able

        10       to work with you in the days ahead to further

        11       fine-tune that so that we can walk away from

        12       this with some balance of equilibrium between

        13       the service areas of the MTA.

        14                  SENATOR SALAND:    Thank you,

        15       Senator Kruger.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        17       Senator Saland.

        18                  SENATOR SALAND:    On the

        19       resolution.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        21       Senator Saland, again on the resolution.

        22                  SENATOR SALAND:    Without

        23       prolonging this, if, as Senator Kruger

        24       described, starting in the city and working

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         1       mean to those of us who are not representing

         2       the city or portions of the city but

         3       representing the outer counties, both Long

         4       Island and in the Hudson Valley -- the city

         5       has about 80 percent of the ridership, the

         6       Island has about 7 percent, and the mid-Hudson

         7       has about 6 percent, and that's probably

         8       predominantly Westchester.

         9                  So for the now famous or infamous

        10       Quarter Pounders, I'll use a word that I'm

        11       sure Senator Kruger is familiar with.  A

        12       portion, because it talks about a portion.  I

        13       don't know whether that portion is 10 percent,

        14       20 percent, 30 percent, 40 percent,

        15       50 percent.  I have no idea.  But for the

        16       Quarter Pounders, it means bupkis, absolute

        17       bupkis.

        18                  There's just -- and it's coming

        19       from the General Fund.  And I'm not aware --

        20       you know, we're talking about a new paradigm,

        21       at least that's what I'm hearing.  I'm not

        22       aware it's a new paradigm to raid the General

        23       Fund for the first time for an authority,

        24       whether that's wise governance.  And I say

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         1       certainly welcome some form of relief for my

         2       district.

         3                  And just generally on the

         4       resolution, I heard Senator Kruger -- and I

         5       wrote it down -- refer to this as a road map

         6       to victory.  And I jotted alongside that to

         7       me, I view it more as a formula that compounds

         8       failure.

         9                  And as Senator DeFrancisco pointed

        10       out in his earlier remarks, we seem to have

        11       forgotten that we are in the dying throes of

        12       one of the most horrendous budgets that this

        13       state has ever seen when, in the midst of

        14       another great depression, we adopted a budget,

        15       we -- the other side of the aisle adopted a

        16       budget which basically imposed some

        17       $12 billion in additional spending and about

        18       $8.5 billion in additional taxes.

        19                  And if this is our first step

        20       today, we ignored the first step that we took

        21       last time.  We've managed to forget last

        22       year's budget, apparently, already.

        23                  What we need is not business as

        24       usual.  What we need is something that

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         1       avoids borrowing, something that deals with

         2       the structural deficit, and certainly

         3       something that does not add to the outyear

         4       deficit as this proposal, resolution would.

         5                  So I look forward to the process.

         6       And hopefully what we will wind up with will

         7       be something that's vastly improved and

         8       reflects an effort to incorporate some of the

         9       things that we have been offering and

        10       suggesting here not only last year but this

        11       year as well.

        12                  Thank you, Mr. President.

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        14       you, Senator Saland.

        15                  Senator Hannon.

        16                  SENATOR HANNON:    Thank you,

        17       Mr. President.

        18                  I've tried to take a look at just

        19       the portion of this resolution that deals with

        20       the health budget.  The health budget that is

        21       proposed by the Executive was about

        22       $56 billion, $57 billion, All Funds.  And the

        23       Medicaid program, part of that, spending a

        24       billion dollars a week.

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         1       this was truly a first step, that you'd take a

         2       first step as one would do rationally, and

         3       you'd have a fiscal plan.  But I can't find a

         4       fiscal plan embodied in any of these pages as

         5       to how much is spent, how much is proposed to

         6       be spent, how much is added.  And in fact, in

         7       looking at the different versions of these

         8       that were presented to staffers last night, I

         9       can find swings of $30 million to $40 million

        10       of adds or cuts that go beyond that.

        11                  So you need a fiscal plan, you need

        12       a course of action as to where you're going,

        13       you need to get a sense of what we're going to

        14       do with the healthcare system of New York as

        15       we go forward in the next 12 months, as we go

        16       forward in the next 24 months.

        17                  Why did I mention those periods?

        18       Because in the last 12 months we've already

        19       diverted billions of dollars from the federal

        20       stimulus plan that gave enhanced monies to

        21       New York State from what they call FMAP, the

        22       matching monies from the federal government

        23       for our Medicaid expenditures.  And we've

        24       taken something like 20 to 40 percent to

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         1       other purposes.

         2                  And what have we done now with the

         3       healthcare system?  Left them with a sure

         4       course of action?  No.  We don't know where

         5       they're going to go.  And that stimulus act of

         6       Congress of 2009 ends December 30, 2010.

         7       Where do we go after all of that money is

         8       gone?  We don't have a plan.  This is not an

         9       appropriate way for us to move forward.

        10                  You even use, and I really find

        11       it -- you talked about all the taxes you

        12       rejected.  You don't talk about the 2009

        13       taxes, the taxes that give the average

        14       New Yorker $2,400 of increased payment of

        15       taxes during the course of a year.  All of

        16       those are embodied because they're in the

        17       spending base.  All of those are embodied

        18       because they're in the taxation base.

        19                  And you add insult to injury

        20       because, in the middle of this, there are all

        21       sorts of hidden minefields that I find that

        22       are policy things, just like in the middle of

        23       last year's budget you had the Rockefeller

        24       Drug Law revisions.  You have things like

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         1       private not-for-profit overseeing the youth

         2       correctional services.

         3                  You know, this is not something to

         4       bring to the floor with no notice.  This is

         5       not something to have rushed and amended just

         6       minutes before we get it.  If this were a

         7       serious plan, it would be far better thought

         8       out.  It would be structured.  And I don't

         9       think I can support it.

        10                  Thank you.

        11                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        12       you, Senator Hannon.

        13                  Senator Sampson, to close.

        14                  SENATOR SAMPSON:    Thank you very

        15       much, Mr. President.  I want to just close

        16       with respect to this.

        17                  I truly appreciate all the thoughts

        18       of my colleagues this afternoon.  And as

        19       usual, in an effort to proceed in bipartisan

        20       fashion, it is met with hostility.  However,

        21       that will not stop me from continuing

        22       working -- as Senator Skelos knows, in order

        23       for us to do a budget, we need to work

        24       together.  Time and time again, I will

        25       continue, I will always extend my hand to



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         1       making sure that we work together to get this

         2       thing done.

         3                  This time we're trying to start a

         4       public process to create a fair, responsible,

         5       and bipartisan budget.  And rather than work

         6       with us to create jobs, provide tax relief for

         7       seniors, and keep state operations going,

         8       people want to play politics.  And I think one

         9       of our colleagues said it's about -- the

        10       statement is a whimper.

        11                  Our statement may be a whimper, but

        12       the statement across the aisle is a no.  And

        13       that's a no to property tax relief for

        14       seniors.  That's a no to job preservation, job

        15       creation.  That is a no to our rejection for

        16       no new fees, no new taxes.  And that is a no

        17       to our effort to reject borrowing.

        18                  Where was the whole issue about

        19       process, where was the process when the budget

        20       you voted raised taxes 395 times since 1995?

        21       Where was the process when you increased our

        22       debt service to $5.8 billion over the last

        23       10 years?  Where was the process when you

        24       increased our debt load from $31 billion to

        25       $54 billion?  Where was the process when you



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         1       doubled our state spending over 10 years?

         2                  And we talk about -- I think

         3       Senator DeFrancisco was talking about after

         4       the Governor proposes his budget, within

         5       10 days we have to have a formulation for

         6       conference committees.  I don't think, since

         7       I've been here, after that 10-day period I

         8       don't think we had any formulation with

         9       respect to conference committees.

        10                  Where was the process when we lost

        11       tens of thousands of jobs, not only in the

        12       city but also throughout the state?  Where was

        13       the process when property tax increased by

        14       320 percent in Nassau County?  Where was the

        15       process when taxes -- we talk about taxes --

        16       they increased in Suffolk County 550 percent?

        17       Where was process when homeowners across the

        18       state lost their homes?  Where was this

        19       process?

        20                  And we talk about one-shots.  You

        21       know, let's go to the facts.  Where was the

        22       tough talk when there was an approval of

        23       $24.6 billion worth of one-shots from 1997

        24       through 2008?  And when you want to talk about

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         1       approved in prior years would have violated

         2       that spending cap.

         3                  We understand what's happening

         4       here.  And I hope -- I don't want anyone to

         5       take away from it -- you know, we want to play

         6       politics, everybody wants to play politics.

         7       But now is the time for us really not to play

         8       politics, because at the end of the day the

         9       only people who are going to be hurting is the

        10       people that we represent.

        11                  And, Senator Skelos, you're right

        12       to talk about last year, and I agree with you.

        13       There should have been more support.  We

        14       should have reached across the aisle to come

        15       to a plan that can benefit all New Yorkers.

        16                  However, this is what we're going

        17       to do this year.  We're going to go into

        18       conference committees.  And this is just a

        19       road map for us to work together and restore,

        20       possibly cut even more in areas that benefit

        21       all New Yorkers.  This is a budget that we all

        22       need to own.

        23                  You know, time and time again we

        24       are going across the aisle, one side blaming

        25       the other side.  The people in the State of



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         1       New York do not care.  They don't care if it's

         2       a Democrat, Republican, or independent.  What

         3       they're concerned about is, one, do I have a

         4       job in the morning?  Two, can I pay my

         5       mortgage?  Three, am I going to be able to

         6       have healthcare for my children or my family

         7       when there is a debilitating disease that they

         8       contract?  And one of the most important

         9       things they want to know:  Can I provide my

        10       children with a better educational opportunity

        11       than I provide myself?

        12                  These are the questions.  And

        13       they're not going to look to a Democrat or a

        14       Republican to answer them.  They're going to

        15       look at all 62 members of the State Senate to

        16       answer that question.

        17                  So we need to understand that while

        18       we're in this chamber, it comes to a point in

        19       time that dialogue is important.  Your ideas

        20       that you may have on the other side of the

        21       aisle can be very helpful for us putting

        22       together a budget that is reflective of what

        23       we think New York State or the direction

        24       New York State is going into.  People don't

        25       care about what happened in the past.  People



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         1       want to know what's happening in the present

         2       and what's going to happen into the future.

         3       Because this is how we live.

         4                  So, my colleagues, as I said

         5       before -- and I think Senator Kruger said it

         6       the best, this is a road map.  This will be a

         7       road map to victory because we will all be

         8       involved.  So when we go to those conference

         9       committees and keep everything public, we're

        10       going to deal with issues that a lot of us

        11       don't want to deal with.  A lot of times we

        12       went to conference committees and talked about

        13       dealing with restorations.  We're going to

        14       conference committees this time and talk about

        15       cuts.

        16                  You know, it's a far cry from going

        17       into the conference committees and talking

        18       about restorations.  There may be restorations

        19       on one hand, but if we restore something on

        20       the one hand, we're going to have to cut on

        21       another hand.  So the people and the public is

        22       going to see what we're actually going to cut.

        23                  So, my colleagues, as I said

        24       before, once again I'm extending my hand and

        25       letting you know that I'm looking for a fair,



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         1       responsible, most of all a bipartisan budget

         2       that we can do and that can be reflective of

         3       all our values.  Because we have all the same

         4       values.  As, Senator Skelos, you indicated

         5       last week, it's about making sure we cut

         6       spending, we don't raise taxes, and we provide

         7       people, homeowners, property tax relief.  This

         8       is something that I hope the end product can

         9       reflect.

        10                  So once again, thank you very much,

        11       Mr. President.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Thank

        13       you, Senator Sampson.

        14                  The debate is closed.

        15                  The Secretary will ring the bell.

        16                  The question is on the resolution.

        17       The Secretary will call the roll.

        18                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        19                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    Excuse me,

        20       Mr. President.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        22       Senator Libous.

        23                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    I thought there

        24       was going to be a roll call.

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         1       asked the Secretary to call the roll.

         2                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    All right, then

         3       I ask for a slow roll call.

         4                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    This

         5       is not the final passage of a bill, just a

         6       resolution.

         7                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    If I may.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Fast

         9       roll call.

        10                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    Mr. President,

        11       if I may.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Are

        13       you making a point of order, Senator Libous?

        14                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    I am making a

        15       point of order, Mr. President.

        16                  Are we changing the rules on a

        17       resolution?

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    I'm

        19       not aware that we're changing the rules on a

        20       resolution.

        21                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    So you're

        22       calling a fast roll call on a resolution.

        23       When have we ever done a fast roll call on a

        24       resolution?

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         1       Senator, it appears as though you're asking

         2       for a voice vote.  So we'll do a voice vote.

         3                  SENATOR LIBOUS:    No, actually I'm

         4       asking for a show of hands, Mr. President.  If

         5       you're going to do a fast roll call, I would

         6       ask that you ask for a show of hands.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    We'll

         8       do that, Senator Libous.

         9                  All those against the resolution

        10       please raise your hand.

        11                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Mr. President.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        13       Senator Skelos.

        14                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Am I allowed to

        15       explain my vote under the rules that have been

        16       imposed?

        17                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    We'll

        18       allow it.  Without reflecting with the rules,

        19       you may explain your vote.

        20                  SENATOR SKELOS:    Thank you very

        21       much.

        22                  Mr. President, I listened with

        23       great interest.  And this is why I'm going to

        24       vote against the resolution of Conference

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         1       who doesn't like to talk about the past, he

         2       was sure speaking about Speaker Silver an

         3       awful lot today as he was talking about the

         4       past.

         5                  I'm going to vote against this

         6       resolution today for a couple of reasons.

         7       Number one, there was going to be great change

         8       from the Democrat side of the aisle if they

         9       assumed the majority.  And I don't believe

        10       change is getting a resolution of this

        11       importance literally 10 minutes before we go

        12       into conference so that we could properly vet

        13       it and look at it and make a decision.

        14                  Going beyond that, there is

        15       absolutely no fiscal plan that goes with this,

        16       which is required.  It increases spending,

        17       which cannot be afforded by the people of the

        18       State of New York.  And if we're going to look

        19       back, it does nothing to unravel the spending

        20       of $13 billion more in last year's budget and

        21       the imposition of $11 billion in taxes, $2,400

        22       for a family of four.

        23                  So people don't want partisanship.

        24       I understand that.  They don't.  But they're

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         1       could you have done this to us, our families,

         2       last year, $2,400, a payroll tax, a cigarette

         3       tax, a water tax, a healthcare premium tax --

         4       but we're going to get more out of that in

         5       Washington now -- when we're in a recession?

         6                  So yes, we have to move forward.

         7       But the way you move forward, if you give

         8       us -- the Democrats, who are in the

         9       majority -- an honest piece of material

        10       budgeting that we can work off of.

        11                  And this is just a sham and a

        12       gimmick, totally unbalanced, increases

        13       spending, increases debt, and does absolutely

        14       nothing to restructure the budget of the State

        15       of New York and how we move forward.  All this

        16       does is postpone for the future taxes and debt

        17       which the people of this state -- and quite

        18       frankly this country -- are saying no to.

        19                  So I will vote no on the

        20       resolution.

        21                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        22       Senator Skelos will be recorded in the

        23       negative on the resolution.

        24                  Announce the results.

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         1       29.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         3       resolution is adopted.

         4                  Senator Klein.

         5                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Mr. President, at

         6       this time can we please move to a reading of

         7       the calendar.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         9       Secretary will read.

        10                  First, Senator Klein, the Secretary

        11       will read substitutions.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    On page 15,

        13       Senator Stewart-Cousins moves to discharge,

        14       from the Committee on Codes, Assembly Bill

        15       Number 215B and substitute it for the

        16       identical Senate Bill Number 2904B, Third

        17       Reading Calendar 254.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        19       Substitution ordered.

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    On page 16,

        21       Senator Valesky moves to discharge, from the

        22       Committee on Codes, Assembly Bill Number 6671B

        23       and substitute it for the identical Senate

        24       Bill Number 5463B, Third Reading Calendar 267.

        25                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:



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         1       Substitution ordered.

         2                  THE SECRETARY:    On page 16,

         3       Senator Stavisky moves to discharge, from the

         4       Committee on Codes, Assembly Bill Number 8530E

         5       and substitute it for the identical Senate

         6       Bill Number 5688D, Third Reading Calendar 268.

         7                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         8       Substitution ordered.

         9                  THE SECRETARY:    And on page 16,

        10       Senator Parker moves to discharge, from the

        11       Committee on Children and Families, Assembly

        12       Bill Number 5497 and substitute it for the

        13       identical Senate Bill Number 5924, Third

        14       Reading Calendar 273.

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        16       Substitution ordered.

        17                  The Secretary will proceed with the

        18       reading of the noncontroversial calendar.

        19                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        20       36, by Senator Breslin, Senate Print 4463A, an

        21       act to amend the Insurance Law and the

        22       Workers' Compensation Law, in relation to

        23       requiring.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Read

        25       the last section.



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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

         2       act shall take effect on the first of January.

         3                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Call

         4       the roll.

         5                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         6                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         7       Announce the results.

         8                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 61.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

        10       bill is passed.

        11                  The Secretary will read.

        12                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        13       170, by Senator Aubertine, Senate Print 6758A,

        14       an act in relation to authorizing the

        15       Commissioner of Transportation.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Read

        17       the last section.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

        19       act shall take effect immediately.

        20                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Call

        21       the roll.

        22                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        24       Announce the results.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 61.



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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         2       bill is passed.

         3                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         4       209, by Member of the Assembly Gabryszak,

         5       Assembly Print Number 3910A, an act to amend

         6       the Election Law, in relation to special

         7       ballots.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Read

         9       the last section.

        10                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

        11       act shall take effect immediately.

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Call

        13       the roll.

        14                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        15                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        16       Announce the results.

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 61.

        18                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

        19       bill is passed.

        20                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        21       217, by Senator Serrano --

        22                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Lay the bill

        23       aside for the day.

        24                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

        25       bill is laid aside for the day.



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         1                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

         2       265, by Senator Thompson, Senate Print 3025,

         3       an act to amend the Navigation Law, in

         4       relation to reporting policies and procedures.

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Read

         6       the last section.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 3.  This

         8       act shall take effect on the first of April.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Call

        10       the roll.

        11                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        12                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        13       Announce the results.

        14                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 60.  Nays,

        15       1.  Senator Maziarz recorded in the negative.

        16                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

        17       bill is passed.

        18                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        19       274, by Senator Huntley, Senate Print 6683, an

        20       act to amend Part R2 of Chapter 62 of the Laws

        21       of 2003, amending the Mental Hygiene Law and

        22       the State Finance Law.

        23                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Read

        24       the last section.

        25                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This



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         1       act shall take effect immediately.

         2                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Call

         3       the roll.

         4                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

         5                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

         6       Announce the results.

         7                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 61.

         8                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         9       bill is passed.

        10                  THE SECRETARY:    Calendar Number

        11       277, by Senator Breslin, Senate Print 6455, an

        12       act to amend Chapter 105 of the Laws of 2009

        13       amending Chapter 693 of the Laws of 1980.

        14                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    There

        15       is a home-rule message at the desk.

        16                  Read the last section.

        17                  THE SECRETARY:    Section 2.  This

        18       act shall take effect immediately.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    Call

        20       the roll.

        21                  (The Secretary called the roll.)

        22                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        23       Announce the results.

        24                  THE SECRETARY:    Ayes, 60.  Nays,

        25       1.  Senator Lanza recorded in the negative.



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         1                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    The

         2       bill is passed.

         3                  Senator Klein, that completes the

         4       reading of the noncontroversial calendar.

         5                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Mr. President, on

         6       behalf of Senator Smith, I hand up the

         7       following committee notice and ask that it be

         8       filed in the Journal.

         9                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    So

        10       ordered.

        11                  SENATOR KLEIN:    Mr. President, is

        12       there any further business at the desk?

        13                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:

        14       Senator Klein, the desk is clear.

        15                  SENATOR KLEIN:    There being no

        16       further business, Mr. President, I move that

        17       we adjourn until Tuesday, March 23rd, at

        18       3:00 p.m.

        19                  ACTING PRESIDENT BRESLIN:    There

        20       being no further business to come before the

        21       Senate, on motion, the Senate stands adjourned

        22       until Tuesday, March 23rd, at 3:00 p.m.

        23                  (Whereupon, at 5:25 p.m., the

        24       Senate adjourned.)

        25



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