Regular Session - May 22, 2017

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 1               NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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 4              THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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 9                  ALBANY, NEW YORK

10                    May 22, 2017

11                     3:30 p.m.

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14                  REGULAR SESSION

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18  SENATOR THOMAS D. CROCI, Acting President

19  FRANCIS W. PATIENCE, Secretary

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 1               P R O C E E D I N G S

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 3   Senate will come to order.  

 4                I ask everyone present to please 

 5   rise and repeat with me the Pledge of 

 6   Allegiance.

 7                (Whereupon, the assemblage recited 

 8   the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Today we 

10   have Pastor Guerschom Joseph, Pool of Bethesda 

11   Ministries, from Spring Valley, to deliver our 

12   invocation.  

13                Pastor.  

14                PASTOR JOSEPH:  God, first and 

15   foremost, we thank You for being God.  No one 

16   can love us like You.  Despite our flaws and 

17   shortcomings, You love us unconditionally.  

18                God, thank You for each and every 

19   elected official that's here in this room.  God, 

20   I ask You to guide them and provide them Your 

21   leadership.  God, I ask You that You would 

22   provide them the vision of Nehemiah, the insight 

23   of Moses, the wisdom of Solomon, and the 

24   compassion of Your son, Jesus Christ.  

25                Guide them every step of the way as 


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 1   they prepare to carry out the arduous task in 

 2   front of them.  And we will give You all the 

 3   praise, we will give You all the honor, we will 

 4   give You all the glory.  

 5                In the magnificent, wonderful, 

 6   gracious, beautiful name of Jesus Christ, our 

 7   Lord and Savior, we pray.  Amen.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 9   reading of the Journal.

10                THE SECRETARY:   In Senate, Sunday, 

11   May 21st, the Senate met pursuant to 

12   adjournment.  The Journal of Saturday, May 20th, 

13   was read and approved.  On motion, Senate 

14   adjourned.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Without 

16   objection, the Journal stands approved as read.

17                Presentation of petitions.

18                Messages from the Assembly.

19                The Secretary will read.

20                THE SECRETARY:   On page 25, 

21   Senator Young moves to discharge, from the 

22   Committee on Elections, Assembly Bill Number 

23   6907A and substitute it for the identical Senate 

24   Bill 443A, Third Reading Calendar 311.

25                On page 49, Senator Savino moves to 


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 1   discharge, from the Committee on Elections, 

 2   Assembly Bill Number 280 and substitute it for 

 3   the identical Senate Bill 5258, Third Reading 

 4   Calendar 684.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 6   substitutions are so ordered.

 7                Messages from the Governor.

 8                Reports of standing committees.  

 9                Reports of select committees.

10                Communications and reports from 

11   state officers.

12                Motions and resolutions.

13                Senator DeFrancisco.

14                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, I move 

15   that the following bill, Senate 4531, by Senator 

16   Helming, be discharged from its respective 

17   committee and be recommitted with instructions 

18   to strike the enacting clause.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   So 

20   ordered.

21                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I wish to 

22   call up Senator Lanza's bill, Print Number 

23   4407A, recalled from the Assembly, which is now 

24   at the desk.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 


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 1   Secretary will read the title of the bill.

 2                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 3   404, by Senator Lanza, Senate Print 4407A, an act 

 4   to amend the Domestic Relations Law.

 5                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I now move to 

 6   reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Please 

 8   call the roll on reconsideration.

 9                (The Secretary called the roll.)

10                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 45.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

12   is restored to its place on the Third Reading 

13   Calendar.

14                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I now offer 

15   the following amendments.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

17   amendments are received, and the bill does retain 

18   its place on the Third Reading Calendar.

19                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Amendments 

20   are offered to the following Third Reading 

21   Calendar bills:  

22                By Senator Funke, page 27, Calendar 

23   351, Senate Print 3892; 

24                By Senator Lanza, page 29, Calendar 

25   369, Senate Print 2629; 


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 1                By Senator Marchione, page 35, 

 2   Calendar 477, Senate Print 4574; 

 3                By Senator Golden, page 40, Calendar 

 4   565, Senate Print 5118A; 

 5                By Senator Murphy, page 41, Calendar 

 6   580, Senate Print 5315; 

 7                By myself, page 44, Calendar 623, 

 8   Senate Print 3984; 

 9                By Senator Bonacic, page 45, 

10   Calendar 630, Senate Print 4868; 

11                By Senator LaValle, page 45, 

12   Calendar 633, Senate Print 2487; 

13                By Senator Young, page 45, 

14   Calendar 636, Senate Print 5462; 

15                By Senator Murphy, page 55, 

16   Calendar 762, Senate Print 5676; 

17                By Senator Marcellino, page 60, 

18   Calendar 821, Senate Print 1146.  

19                I now move that these bills retain 

20   their place on the order of third reading.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

22   amendments are received, and all the bills shall 

23   retain their place on the Third Reading Calendar.

24                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Would you 

25   please recognize Senator Valesky.


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 1                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 2   Valesky.

 3                SENATOR VALESKY:   Thank you, 

 4   Mr. President.

 5                I move that the following bill be 

 6   discharged from its respective committee and be 

 7   recommitted with instructions to strike the 

 8   enacting clause.  It's Senator Avella's bill, 

 9   1872.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   So 

11   ordered.

12                SENATOR VALESKY:   And on behalf of 

13   Senator Carlucci, on page 23 I offer the 

14   following amendments to Calendar 253, Senate Bill 

15   4055A, and ask that said bill retain its place on 

16   the Third Reading Calendar.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

18   amendments are received, and the bill retains its 

19   place on the Third Reading Calendar.

20                SENATOR VALESKY:   And this is also 

21   on behalf of Senator Carlucci.  And I wish to 

22   call up his bill, Print 4723, recalled from the 

23   Assembly, which is now at the desk.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

25   Secretary will read the title of the bill.


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 1                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2   461, by Senator Carlucci, Senate Print 4723, an 

 3   act to amend the Town Law.

 4                SENATOR VALESKY:   Mr. President, I 

 5   now move to reconsider the vote by which this 

 6   bill was passed.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 8   roll on reconsideration.

 9                (The Secretary called the roll.)

10                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 52.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

12   is restored to its place on the Third Reading 

13   Calendar.

14                SENATOR VALESKY:   Thank you.  I now 

15   offer the following amendments.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

17   amendments are received, and the bill retains its 

18   place on the Third Reading Calendar.

19               Senator DeFrancisco.

20                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Would you 

21   please take up previously adopted 

22   Resolution 1451, by Senator Griffo, read it in 

23   its entirety, and call on Senator Griffo to 

24   speak.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 


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 1   Secretary will read.

 2                THE SECRETARY:   Legislative 

 3   Resolution Number 1451, by Senator Griffo, 

 4   congratulating Hunter Richard upon the occasion 

 5   of capturing the 152-pound Division II Wrestling 

 6   Title at the New York State Public High School 

 7   Athletic Association Wrestling Championships.  

 8                "WHEREAS, Excellence and success in 

 9   competitive sports can be achieved only through 

10   strenuous practice, team play and team spirit, 

11   nurtured by dedicated coaching and strategic 

12   planning; and 

13                "WHEREAS, Athletic competition 

14   enhances the moral and physical development of 

15   the young people of this state, preparing them 

16   for the future by instilling in them the value of 

17   teamwork, encouraging a standard of healthy 

18   living, imparting a desire for success and 

19   developing a sense of fair play and competition; 

20   and 

21                "WHEREAS, This Legislative Body is 

22   justly proud to congratulate Hunter Richard upon 

23   the occasion of capturing the 152-pound Division  

24   II Wrestling Title at the New York State Public 

25   High School Athletic Association Wrestling 


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 1   Championships on Saturday, February 25, 2017, at 

 2   the Times Union Center in Albany, New York; and 

 3                "WHEREAS, A senior at Holland Patent 

 4   High School in Holland Patent, New York, Hunter 

 5   Richard won his third consecutive state crown  

 6   with an impressive 4-1 victory over his opponent 

 7   from Phoenix High School in the Division II 

 8   final; and 

 9                "WHEREAS, Hunter Richard finished 

10   his season 47-0, with 31 pins, and for his 

11   career, 265 wins and 25 loses; and 

12                "WHEREAS, The athletic talent 

13   displayed by this exceptional young man is due in 

14   great part to the efforts of his father and coach  

15   John Richard, a skilled and inspirational tutor, 

16   respected for his ability to develop potential 

17   into excellence; and 

18                "WHEREAS, Hunter Richard's overall 

19   record is outstanding, and he was loyally and 

20   enthusiastically supported by family, fans, 

21   friends and the community at large; and 

22                "WHEREAS, Athletically and 

23   academically, Hunter Richard has proven himself 

24   to be an unbeatable combination of talents, 

25   reflecting favorably on his school; and 


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 1                "WHEREAS, Coach John Richard has 

 2   done a superb job in guiding, molding and 

 3   inspiring this gifted young grappler toward his 

 4   goals; and 

 5                "WHEREAS, Sports competition 

 6   instills the values of teamwork, pride and 

 7   accomplishment, and Hunter Richard has clearly 

 8   made a contribution to the spirit of excellence 

 9   which is a tradition of his school; now, 

10   therefore, be it 

11                "RESOLVED, That this Legislative 

12   Body pause in its deliberations to congratulate 

13   Hunter Richard upon the occasion of capturing the 

14   152-pound Division II Wrestling Title at the 

15   New York State Public High School Athletic 

16   Association Wrestling Championships; and be it 

17   further 

18                "RESOLVED, That copies of this 

19   resolution, suitably engrossed, be transmitted to 

20   Hunter Richard and Coach John Richard."

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

22   Griffo.

23                SENATOR GRIFFO:   Thank you, 

24   Mr. President.

25                This is quite an impressive young 


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 1   man, and I'm fortunate that Hunter is here with 

 2   us today, along with his dad and mom.  

 3                If you look at the -- you heard of 

 4   all of the great attributes of this young man.  

 5   Not only is he an outstanding athlete who has won 

 6   three state championships in three different 

 7   weight classes, but he is also an exceptional 

 8   student.  In fact, he'll be heading to Cornell 

 9   this fall.  

10                So this is the type of individual I 

11   think that can be an excellent role model for so 

12   many other young people as we look to what is 

13   happening not only in interscholastic sports, but 

14   also in the academic world.

15                Hunter's been a very fortunate young 

16   man because he was raised in a great family home.  

17   His dad and mom really showed him a lot of love 

18   and concern and guidance through the years.  I 

19   know the family.  They have an excellent 

20   reputation; they are of the highest character and 

21   integrity.  

22                And Hunter's dad John was his coach.  

23   Now, that can't be an easy thing all the time, to 

24   be living with dad and then also to go to 

25   practice and have dad on you.  But I think he 


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 1   instilled -- and his mom Gina will tell the story 

 2   about how as a young man he set goals, that he 

 3   would become a state champion.  And I think 

 4   that's so impressive to see that young man who 

 5   had that type of vision, that type of commitment, 

 6   and then put together the dedication that is so 

 7   necessary -- that commitment not only to 

 8   excellence in athletics, but also in school and 

 9   also in his community.

10                So today I'm very proud to have 

11   Hunter with me as well as his dad and mom, John 

12   and Gina Richard.  With them also is the 

13   principal, Russ Stevener, and also the 

14   superintendent of schools, Jason Evangelist.  

15                So I would like to ask the chamber 

16   today, Mr. President, to recognize and join with 

17   me in extending the courtesies of the house to 

18   Coach Richard and Gina and most of all to Hunter, 

19   who has been an extraordinary student-athlete.  

20                Congratulations on three 

21   championships and acceptance into Cornell 

22   University.

23                (Standing ovation.)

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   To Hunter, 

25   to Mr. and Mrs. Richard, and to your principal 


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 1   and superintendent, we send -- the Senate 

 2   congratulates you on your great success, and we 

 3   wish you every success in your collegiate future 

 4   at Cornell University.  Congratulations.  

 5                Senator DeFrancisco.

 6                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Can we take 

 7   up previously adopted Resolution 1811, by 

 8   Senator Bonacic, read it in its entirety, and 

 9   call on Senator Bonacic.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

11   Secretary will read.

12                THE SECRETARY:   Legislative 

13   Resolution Number 1811, by Senator Bonacic, 

14   memorializing Governor Andrew M. Cuomo to 

15   proclaim May 21-23, 2017, as the 82nd Annual 4-H 

16   Capital Days in the State of New York.

17                "WHEREAS, In the course of the 

18   evolving development of this Empire State, if the 

19   ingredients of shared concern and responsive 

20   endeavor combine in the symmetry of a commitment 

21   to governance, there have emerged among the 

22   facilities of the State of New York certain dates 

23   which warrant commemoration; and 

24                "WHEREAS, Attendant to such concern, 

25   and in full accord with its long-standing 


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 1   traditions, it is the sense of this Legislative 

 2   Body to memorialize Governor Andrew M. Cuomo to 

 3   proclaim May 21-23, 2017, as the 82nd Annual 4-H 

 4   Capital Days in the State of New York; and 

 5                "WHEREAS, The event, which is 

 6   coordinated by the New York State Association of  

 7   Cornell Cooperative Extension 4-H Youth 

 8   Development Educators, will involve approximately 

 9   100 participants representing every county in 

10   New York State; and 

11                "WHEREAS, The objectives of 4-H 

12   Capital Days are:  to achieve a better 

13   understanding of the public policy process from a 

14   state government perspective; to gain a better 

15   understanding of state-local government 

16   relations; to provide an opportunity for 

17   delegates to meet and interact with their 

18   legislators; to create an awareness of career 

19   opportunities in New York State government; and 

20   to meet and exchange experiences with delegates 

21   from other counties; and 

22                "WHEREAS, The rich history of 4-H 

23   Capital Days is recorded in the Cooperative 

24   Extension's Archives with photographs of 

25   4-H members with past Governors; in the 1940s, a 


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 1   meal at the Governor's Mansion was part of this 

 2   event and a treasured memory for all those who 

 3   attended; and 

 4                "WHEREAS, The 4-H Capital Days 

 5   program is specifically designed to allow for 

 6   greater participation in the machinery of 

 7   governance; this program focuses upon the 

 8   legislative process, with an explanation of 

 9   procedures and methods; and 

10                "WHEREAS, Through their sustained 

11   interest in the method and process of governance, 

12   the 2017 participants in the 82nd Annual 4-H 

13   Capital Days program will so advance that spirit 

14   of united purpose and shared concern which is the 

15   unalterable manifestation of our American 

16   experience; now, therefore, be it 

17                "RESOLVED, That this Legislative 

18   Body pause in its deliberations to memorialize 

19   Governor Andrew M. Cuomo to proclaim May 21-23, 

20   2017, as the 82nd Annual 4-H Capital Days in the 

21   State of New York, fully confident that this 

22   program is so clearly in accord with our shared 

23   commitment to preserve and to enhance the legacy 

24   which is our American heritage; and be it further 

25                "RESOLVED, That a copy of this 


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 1   resolution, suitably engrossed, be transmitted to 

 2   the Honorable Andrew M. Cuomo, Governor of the  

 3   State of New York."

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 5   Bonacic.

 6                SENATOR BONACIC:   Thank you, 

 7   Mr. President.

 8                It's amazing that this is the 82nd 

 9   year we've been having 4-H Capital Days.  And I 

10   remember when the 4-H representatives used to 

11   come to Albany and we kind of met with you, we 

12   took pictures, and we talked about agriculture 

13   and you treated us to some breakfast and dairy 

14   products.

15                And now, when I looked more deeply 

16   into how big this program is, I was amazed.  And 

17   let me share some statistics, if I can, with the 

18   Legislature.

19                First of all, if you look at the 

20   gallery behind you, these are representatives of 

21   4-H from all the counties throughout the State of 

22   New York.  And 4-H reaches 6 million young 

23   people, with over 100 public universities.  Their 

24   programs are delivered by 3500 professionals.  

25   And are you ready for this?  Five hundred 


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 1   thousand volunteers.

 2                In addition, as they go through 

 3   school and community clubs and after-school 

 4   programs and 4-H camps, they learn about an 

 5   assortment of things -- health, science, 

 6   agriculture, citizenship, STEM education, and how 

 7   government works.

 8                So of the 170,000 young people that 

 9   participate in 4-H, I say thank you.  And with 

10   that learning experience in 4-H, plus your formal 

11   education, I expect you to be the leaders of 

12   tomorrow.

13                Thank you, Mr. President.  And I'd 

14   like to welcome all of our 4-H representatives 

15   that are up there in the gallery, if we may.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   To all the 

17   representatives of 4-H who have joined us today, 

18   congratulations on your great success in this 

19   program.  We welcome you to the Senate, and we 

20   extend all of the privileges and courtesies of 

21   the house.  If you would please rise and be 

22   recognized by this house.

23                (Standing ovation.)

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   This 

25   resolution and Senator Griffo's resolution have 


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 1   been opened for cosponsorship.  If you would like 

 2   to be a cosponsor, please notify the desk.

 3                Senator DeFrancisco.

 4                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, can you 

 5   please call on Senator Carlucci for an 

 6   introduction of an important group of visitors 

 7   today.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 9   Carlucci.

10                SENATOR CARLUCCI:   Thank you, 

11   Mr. President.

12                It's an absolute honor and a 

13   privilege to welcome my friends from Rockland 

14   County and from throughout New York State to 

15   celebrate Haitian Unity Day here in the State of 

16   New York --

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Excuse me, 

18   Senator Carlucci.  

19                If we could take any conversations 

20   outside and have a little order in the house for 

21   Senator Carlucci's introduction.

22                Senator Carlucci.

23                SENATOR CARLUCCI:   Thank you, 

24   Mr. President.  

25                And like I was saying, in New York 


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 1   State we're proud that we have over 400,000 

 2   Haitian-Americans living here in New York State.  

 3   That makes us the second most populated state of 

 4   Haitian-Americans in the country.  

 5                And in fact where I live, in 

 6   Rockland County, we are so proud because we have 

 7   one of the largest Haitian-American populations 

 8   in the country right in Rockland County.  In 

 9   fact, in the Village of Spring Valley, which is 

10   one of the largest villages in the State of 

11   New York, over 23 percent of its population are 

12   Haitian-Americans.

13                In fact, I was talking to Jawonio 

14   today, which is a premier organization that helps 

15   people with developmental disabilities.  Their 

16   workforce is made of up of 7 percent of Haitians 

17   that unfortunately right now are concerned about 

18   their temporary protective status.  

19                And this is something that we've got 

20   to push for, to make sure that the people like 

21   them and the 58,000 Haitians living in our 

22   country today that are here because of the 

23   temporary protective status granted by President 

24   Obama, that that is reextended.  The deadline is 

25   July 22nd, and we've got to make sure, for the 


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 1   purposes of our state, that that is extended.  

 2                The Haitian community in Rockland is 

 3   robust, and the Haitian community in New York 

 4   State is so vibrant.  It's added so much to our 

 5   economy, to our culture, to the character of 

 6   New York State.  And we've got to make sure that 

 7   continues.  

 8                So we're honored today that we had 

 9   Pastor Joseph give the invocation.  And we're so 

10   happy that you're here with us celebrating in the 

11   New York State Senate.  

12                And I would ask, Mr. President, if 

13   you would join me in giving a round of applause 

14   for our guests here today.  Thank you so much for 

15   the indulgence.

16                (Standing ovation.)

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

18   Comrie.

19                SENATOR COMRIE:   Thank you.  I want 

20   to join Senator Carlucci in also welcoming the 

21   Haitian delegation here today from all over the 

22   state.  

23                I want to note that I have the 

24   second-highest amount of Haitian-American 

25   residents in my district, at almost 16,000 


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 1   residents that live in my district, and have the 

 2   highest rate of single-family homeownership -- I 

 3   think anywhere in the country -- in the 

 4   14th Senatorial District.  

 5                So I want to thank you for coming to 

 6   Albany today.  I want to ask you to come back to 

 7   Albany so that you can advocate for all of the 

 8   issues and concerns that you have as homeowners, 

 9   as businesspeople, as parents.  As people that 

10   are working to provide to our state, you are 

11   entitled to be able to come and lobby us and see 

12   us at any time.  

13                So on behalf of the residents of the 

14   14th Senatorial District in Queen, I welcome you 

15   to Albany today.  Thank you for being here.

16                (Applause from gallery.)

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

18   Sanders.

19                SENATOR SANDERS:   Thank you, 

20   Mr. President.

21                Since 1804, the Haitians have led 

22   the world forward in the cause of liberty, of 

23   freedom and fraternity.  This is a community that 

24   understands that it must seize the political 

25   goodwill.  It's a community that understands that 


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 1   only by unity will we be able to do many things.

 2                Although they've had to pay harsh 

 3   prices -- they had to defeat the Spaniards, they 

 4   had to defeat the English, they had to defeat the 

 5   French, they had to defeat the French again -- 

 6   they kept the unity together, they've kept their 

 7   independence, and they've paid an incredibly hard 

 8   price for it.

 9                It would be good if the world 

10   community recognized them and said that -- and 

11   asked France and other nations to give back the 

12   money that they had to pay, to give it back and 

13   put it into a way that they can build, rebuild 

14   the country that was looted so many years ago.

15                So I'm very grateful that my 

16   compatriots have shown up.  Incidentally, they 

17   also fought in the -- the Haitians also fought in 

18   the American Revolution.  

19                (Applause from gallery.)  

20                SENATOR SANDERS:   So I'm glad that 

21   they're here, but we have so much more of a 

22   journey to take, a journey where we ask this 

23   government to pressure other governments, give 

24   back the money that was taken so Haiti can use it 

25   to rebuild itself, and let the sons and daughters 


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 1   of Haiti who live in the Americas today be first 

 2   among them going back and teaching the folk how 

 3   to move forward.

 4                Thank you very much.  

 5                (Applause from gallery.)

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 7   Parker.

 8                SENATOR PARKER:   Thank you, 

 9   Mr. President.  

10                I want to add my voice to my 

11   colleagues' in this introduction on Haitian Unity 

12   Day, within the shadow of dejame {ph}, which is 

13   Haitian Flag Day, on the 18th of May, last week.  

14                As many of you know, I represent the 

15   largest concentration of Haitian people outside 

16   of Haiti in the world, in the 21st District in 

17   Brooklyn, which is Flatbush and East Flatbush, 

18   Midwood, Ditmas Park, Windsor Terrace and 

19   Park Slope.  I'm sure that many of our folks here 

20   from Spring Valley have been in my district and 

21   probably eaten at YoYo or have heard me on 

22   Radio Soleil or Radio Panou.  

23                But I want to welcome them here and 

24   just add to how in -- the importance of the 

25   Haitian community, you know, not just in my 


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 1   district, but across the State of New York and 

 2   for the United States.  If you don't understand 

 3   Haitian history, you don't understand the history 

 4   of the Western Hemisphere.  We do not get a free 

 5   United States without a free Haiti.  We don't get 

 6   a free Caribbean, a free Jamaica, a free 

 7   Trinidad, a free Guyana, without a free Haiti.  

 8                And so we want to thank them for 

 9   their fighting spirit.  This is a country and a 

10   people who have been under great duress for a 

11   very, very long time, and still they rise.  And I 

12   am standing today not just to recognize them, but 

13   to continue to recommit myself to say that their 

14   struggles are my struggles.  And not just here in 

15   New York -- in Spring Valley or Baldwin or 

16   Rosemont or all the other places that we find 

17   enclaves of Haitian people in the State of 

18   New York -- but also in Haiti.  

19                We have a number of -- now even a 

20   delegation of Haitian representatives here in the 

21   State Legislature with Rodneyse Bichotte, 

22   representing my area; Clyde Vanel, from Queens; 

23   Michaelle Solages, from Long Island; Kimberly 

24   Jean-Pierre, also from Long Island -- and I think 

25   more to come.  


                                                               2750

 1                So we welcome them.  I'm told that 

 2   we have two esteemed guests who are senators in 

 3   Haiti who are with us today, so we want to 

 4   recognize them as well.  

 5                This is a body in which we don't 

 6   necessarily deal with a lot of international 

 7   issues, but I want to add my voice to Senator 

 8   Carlucci's in asking the federal government to 

 9   continue the temporary protective status that the 

10   Haitian community has now.  It's an important 

11   thing, not just for that community but for 

12   Americans.  

13                And so we want to continue to push 

14   that, but we also collectively need to be pushing 

15   both the World Bank and the IMF to forgive the 

16   over a billion dollars in debt that they put 

17   Haiti in that continues to keep their economy 

18   sluggish.

19                And so there's lots of work to be 

20   done.  I'm looking forward to our work together.

21                (Applause from gallery.)

22                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

23   DeFrancisco.

24                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, can we 

25   take up the noncontroversial reading of the 


                                                               2751

 1   calendar.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 3   Secretary will read.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 63, 

 5   by Senator Marchione, Senate Print 196A, an act 

 6   to amend the Criminal Procedure Law.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 8   last section.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

10   act shall take effect immediately.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

12   roll.

13                (The Secretary called the roll.)

14                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

16   is passed.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

18   121, by Senator Marcellino, Senate Print 1296B, 

19   an act authorizing.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

21   last section.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

23   act shall take effect immediately.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

25   roll.


                                                               2752

 1                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 2                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 58.  Nays, 2.  

 3   Senators Akshar and Bonacic recorded in the 

 4   negative.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 6   is passed.

 7                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 8   123, by Senator Avella, Senate Print 1408, an act 

 9   to amend the Real Property Tax Law.

10                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside, 

11   please.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

13   will be laid aside.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

15   131, by Senator Ortt, Senate Print 244, an act to 

16   amend the State Administrative Procedure Act.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

18   last section.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

20   act shall take effect on the 60th day.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

22   roll.

23                (The Secretary called the roll.)

24                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 


                                                               2753

 1   is passed.

 2                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 3   271, by Senator Golden, Senate Print 3670, an act 

 4   to amend the Retirement and Social Security Law.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 6   last section.

 7                THE SECRETARY:   Section 6.  This 

 8   act shall take effect immediately.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

10   roll.

11                (The Secretary called the roll.)

12                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Announce 

13   the results.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 58.  Nays, 2.  

15   Senators Comrie and Little recorded in the 

16   negative.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

18   is passed.  (Pause.)

19                Reannounce the result on Calendar 

20   271.

21                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 59.  Nays, 1.  

22   Senator Little recorded in the negative.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

24   is passed.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 


                                                               2754

 1   289, by Senator Serino, Senate Print 2165, an act 

 2   to amend the Uniform Justice Court Act.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 4   last section.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 6   act shall take effect immediately.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 8   roll.

 9                (The Secretary called the roll.)

10                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Announce 

11   the result.

12                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

13   Calendar 289, those recorded in the negative are 

14   Senators Bailey, Breslin, Comrie, DeFrancisco, 

15   Gianaris, Hoylman, Krueger, Montgomery, Rivera, 

16   Sanders, Serrano, Squadron and Stavisky.

17                Ayes, 47.  Nays, 13.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

19   is passed.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

21   311, substituted earlier by Member of the 

22   Assembly Hunter, Assembly Print 6907A, an act to 

23   amend the Election Law.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

25   last section.


                                                               2755

 1                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 2   act shall take effect on the 180th day.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 4   roll.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 7   is passed.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 9   314, by Senator Avella, Senate Print 1567A, an 

10   act to amend the Election Law.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

12   last section.

13                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

14   act shall take effect on the first of December.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

16   roll.

17                (The Secretary called the roll.)

18                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 59.  Nays, 1.  

19   Senator DeFrancisco recorded in the negative.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

21   is passed.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

23   316, by Senator Akshar, Senate Print 2786, an act 

24   to amend the Election Law.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 


                                                               2756

 1   last section.

 2                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 3   act shall take effect immediately.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 5   roll.

 6                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Announce 

 8   the results.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

10   Calendar 316, those recorded in the negative are 

11   Senators Alcantara, Avella, Dilan, Hoylman, 

12   Ranzenhofer and Squadron.

13                Ayes, 54.  Nays, 6.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

15   is passed.

16                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

17   361, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 1002 --

18                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

20   will be laid aside.

21                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

22   503, by Senator Ritchie, Senate Print 2125 --

23                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

25   will be laid aside.


                                                               2757

 1                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2   615, by Senator Little, Senate Print 2613, an act 

 3   to amend the Real Property Tax Law.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 5   last section.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 7   act shall take effect immediately.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 9   roll.

10                (The Secretary called the roll.)

11                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

13   is passed.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

15   644, by Senator Hannon, Senate Print 1869A, an 

16   act to amend the Public Health Law.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

18   last section.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Section 33.  This 

20   act shall take effect on the 180th day.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

22   roll.

23                (The Secretary called the roll.)

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Announce 

25   the results.  


                                                               2758

 1                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 2   Calendar 644, those recorded in the negative are 

 3   Senators Felder, Helming, Kaminsky, Lanza and 

 4   Ranzenhofer.  Also Senator DeFrancisco.

 5                (Pause.)

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Announce 

 7   the results on Calendar 644.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 9   Calendar 644, those recorded in the negative are 

10   Senators Croci, DeFrancisco, Felder, Helming, 

11   Kaminsky, Lanza, Ranzenhofer and Tedisco.

12                Ayes, 52.  Nays, 8.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

14   is passed.

15                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

16   682, by Senator Griffo, Senate Print 4757, an act 

17   to amend the Election Law.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

19   last section.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

21   act shall take effect immediately.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

23   roll.

24                (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.


                                                               2759

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 2   is passed.

 3                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 4   684, substituted earlier by Member of the 

 5   Assembly Bichotte, Assembly Print 280, an act to 

 6   amend the Election Law.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 8   last section.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

10   act shall take effect immediately.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

12   roll.

13                (The Secretary called the roll.)

14                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

16   is passed.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

18   692, by Senator Amedore, Senate Print 889, an act 

19   to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

21   last section.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Section 5.  This 

23   act shall take effect on the first of November.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

25   roll.


                                                               2760

 1                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 2                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 4   is passed.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 6   706, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 5631A, 

 7   an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 9   last section.

10                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

11   act shall take effect on the first of November.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

13   roll.

14                (The Secretary called the roll.)

15                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

17   is passed.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

19   730, by Senator LaValle, Senate Print 2488, an 

20   act to amend the Education Law.

21                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

23   will be laid aside.

24                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

25   737, by Senator Young, Senate Print 519, an act 


                                                               2761

 1   to amend the County Law.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 3   last section.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

 5   act shall take effect immediately.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 7   roll.

 8                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

11   is passed.

12                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

13   767, by Senator Young, Senate Print 4540, an act 

14   to amend the Retirement and Social Security Law.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

16   last section.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

18   act shall take effect immediately.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

20   roll.

21                (The Secretary called the roll.)

22                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

24   is passed.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 


                                                               2762

 1   775, by Senator Murphy, Senate Print 2098B, an 

 2   act to amend the --

 3                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Lay the 

 5   bill aside.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 7   814, by Senator Valesky, Senate Print 5372, an 

 8   act to amend the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law.

 9                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

11   is laid aside.

12                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

13   823, by Senator Marcellino, Senate Print 1313, an 

14   act in relation to legalizing, validating and 

15   ratifying.

16                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

18   is laid aside.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

20   843, by Senator Lanza, Senate Print 2636A, an act 

21   to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

22                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

24   is laid aside.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 


                                                               2763

 1   845, by Senator Gallivan, Senate Print 3393, an 

 2   act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

 3                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 5   is laid aside.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 7   848, by Senator Tedisco, Senate Print 5369, an 

 8   act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

 9                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

11   is laid aside.

12                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

13   862, by Senator Gallivan, Senate Print 2923, an 

14   act to amend the Environmental Conservation Law.

15                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

17   is laid aside.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

19   897, by Senator Carlucci, Senate Print 4612, an 

20   act to direct.

21                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

23   is laid aside.

24                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

25   900, by Senator Marchione, Senate Print 5198, an 


                                                               2764

 1   act authorizing.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   There is a 

 3   home-rule message at the desk.

 4                Read the last section.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Section 5.  This 

 6   act shall take effect immediately.

 7                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 9   is laid aside.

10                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

11   914, by Senator Robach, Senate Print 1007, an act 

12   to amend the Penal Law.

13                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

15   is laid aside.

16                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

17   975, by Senator Alcantara, Senate Print 5559, an 

18   act to direct.

19                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

21   is laid aside.

22                Senator DeFrancisco, that completes 

23   the reading of the noncontroversial calendar.

24                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Before I call 

25   a meeting of the Rules Committee, I just wanted 


                                                               2765

 1   to make a comment.  

 2                So I let it go today, but when we 

 3   have an introduction, the person that has 

 4   requested the introduction is supposed to be, 

 5   according to the rules, allowed to speak.  And it 

 6   kind of got opened up to many other speakers.  I 

 7   let it go today, but it wasn't a resolution.  And 

 8   from now on, I'm going to strictly enforce the 

 9   rule that if it's an introduction, only the 

10   person requesting the introduction will be 

11   recognized.

12                With that said, can I please call an 

13   immediate meeting of the Rules Committee in 

14   Room 332.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   There will 

16   be an immediate meeting of the Rules Committee in 

17   Room 332.

18                The Senate will stand at ease.

19                (Whereupon, the Senate stood at ease 

20   at 4:09 p.m.)

21                (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened at 

22   4:57 p.m.)

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The Senate 

24   will come to order.

25                Senator DeFrancisco.


                                                               2766

 1                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Can we return 

 2   to reports of standing committees.  

 3                And there's a report of the Rules 

 4   Committee at the desk.  I ask that it be read.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Reports of 

 6   standing committees.  

 7                The Secretary will read.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Senator Flanagan, 

 9   from the Committee on Rules, reports the 

10   following bills:  

11                Senate Print 1115, by Senator 

12   Akshar, an act to amend the Election Law;

13                Senate 1171, by Senator Carlucci, an 

14   act to amend the Education Law; 

15                Senate 2083, by Senator O'Mara, an 

16   act to amend the Transportation Law; 

17                Senate 2411A, by Senator 

18   DeFrancisco, an act to amend the Tax Law; 

19                Senate 2836, by Senator Ortt, an act 

20   to amend the Mental Hygiene Law; 

21                Senate 3307, by Senator Ritchie, an 

22   act to amend the State Finance Law; 

23                Senate 3671, by Senator Golden, an 

24   act to amend the Retirement and Social Security 

25   Law; 


                                                               2767

 1                Senate 4023, by Senator Ritchie, an 

 2   act to amend the Tax Law; 

 3                Senate 4127, by Senator Larkin, an 

 4   act to amend the Public Authorities Law; 

 5                Senate 4770A, by Senator Gallivan, 

 6   an act to amend the Correction Law; 

 7                Senate 5016, by Senator Lanza, an 

 8   act to amend the Executive Law; 

 9                Senate 5511, by Senator Croci, an 

10   act to amend Chapter 435 of the Laws of 2014; 

11                Senate 5682, by Senator Hamilton, an 

12   act to amend the Correction Law; 

13                Senate 5752, by Senator Lanza, an 

14   act to require; 

15                Senate 5998, by Senator Croci, an 

16   act to amend the Executive Law;

17                Senate 6394, by Senator Hannon, an 

18   act to amend the Retirement and Social Security 

19   Law; 

20                Senate 6415, by Senator Helming, an 

21   act to amend the General Municipal Law; 

22                Senate 6421, by Senator Phillips, an 

23   act in relation to authorizing;

24                And Senate 6423, by Senator Helming, 

25   an act to establish.


                                                               2768

 1                All bills reported direct to third 

 2   reading.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 4   DeFrancisco.

 5                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I move to 

 6   accept the report of the Rules Committee.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   All in 

 8   favor of accepting the report of the 

 9   Rules Committee please signify by saying aye.

10                (Response of "Aye.")

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Opposed, 

12   nay.

13                (No response.)

14                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The report 

15   is accepted.

16                Senator DeFrancisco.

17                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   There is a 

18   Supplemental Calendar Number 46A, which includes 

19   the bills that just came out of the Rules 

20   Committee.  

21                And I just want to call up -- first 

22   I'd like to call up Senate 1059.  That's Calendar 

23   Number 1059, Senate 1115, by Senator Akshar.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

25   Secretary will read.


                                                               2769

 1                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2   1059, by Senator Akshar, Senate Print 1115, an 

 3   act to amend the Election Law.

 4                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Lay it aside.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 6   will be laid aside.  

 7                Senator DeFrancisco.

 8                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Now I'd like 

 9   to take up, off of that same supplemental 

10   calendar, Calendar 1075, Senate 6415.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

12   Secretary will read.

13                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

14   1075, by Senator Helming, Senate Print 6415, an 

15   act to amend the General Municipal Law.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

17   last section.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

19   act shall take effect immediately.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

21   roll.

22                (The Secretary called the roll.)

23                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

25   is passed.


                                                               2770

 1                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Off that same 

 2   calendar, can we please take up Calendar 1076, 

 3   Senate 6421.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 5   Secretary will read.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 7   1076, by Senator Phillips, Senate Print 6421, an 

 8   act in relation to authorizing.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

10   last section.

11                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

12   act shall take effect immediately.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

14   roll.

15                (The Secretary called the roll.)

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

17   Kaminsky to explain your vote.

18                SENATOR KAMINSKY:   Thank you, 

19   Mr. President.

20                The commuters of Long Island 

21   Railroad, over the past few months, have 

22   experienced nothing short of misery.  I've talked 

23   to commuters who have told me from the train that 

24   they're sitting in the bathroom because there are 

25   no seats.  I have another constituent who stops 


                                                               2771

 1   drinking water after lunch for fear of --

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Excuse me, 

 3   Senator Kaminsky.  

 4                Can we have order in the chamber, 

 5   please.  If there are conversations, could you 

 6   please take them outside.  Thank you.

 7                Senator Kaminsky.

 8                SENATOR KAMINSKY:   Thank you.  

 9                Mr. President, I am voting aye on 

10   this bill because Long Island commuters have had 

11   enough.  Long Island Railroad commuters have had 

12   their lives turned upside down with repeated 

13   delays and cancellations.  And they're being told 

14   that this summer there's going to be 20 to 

15   25 percent more cancellations on top of this.  

16                My commuters pay about $300 a month 

17   for the dis-privilege, if you will, of being 

18   crammed into cars or having cars canceled.  They 

19   simply do not deserve this.  And many of my 

20   fellow Senators have commuters who pay even more 

21   than that for this mistreatment.  

22                Amtrak is telling us that this 

23   summer is going to be even worse, and their 

24   responses are raising many more questions than 

25   there are answers.  Penn Station is in disrepair, 


                                                               2772

 1   sewage is leaking from the ceiling -- and at the 

 2   same time, we are being told that tracks are out 

 3   of date, that signals are not working, and 

 4   everything else under the sun.  And Amtrak is now 

 5   trying to cram 20 years' worth of infrastructure 

 6   repairs into two months.  Literally, this is no 

 7   way to run the railroad.

 8                But we as a Senate -- even though 

 9   I'm proud to vote aye on this, because getting a 

10   refund and getting free tickets for our commuters 

11   is the least we could do -- we can do more.  And 

12   I've called for hearings where the leaders of our 

13   transportation network should be held to account.  

14                Now, the Assembly held a hearing, 

15   and it was actually amazing to see the CEO of 

16   Amtrak come up and have to answer tough questions 

17   about what their plans are for our regional rail 

18   system.  The Senate has not yet done that.  And 

19   in fact, I've received a letter from a chair of 

20   one of the committees that I wrote to saying 

21   another committee should do this.  And on and on 

22   and on.  

23                But we as a Senate have a real 

24   opportunity to step up to ask the necessary 

25   questions and get the necessary answers, and our 


                                                               2773

 1   commuters on Long Island deserve nothing less.  

 2   They pay a lot in taxes, they pay a lot in fares, 

 3   and they're not getting what they deserve.  Let's 

 4   step up and fight for them.  

 5                Thank you, Senator Phillips.  I'm an 

 6   aye on this.  And getting people their money back 

 7   is the least we can do.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 9   Kaminsky to be recorded in the affirmative.

10                Senator Krueger to explain her vote.

11                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you, 

12   Mr. President.  

13                I completely empathize with my 

14   colleagues who are voting yes and empathize with 

15   my colleague who spoke about the pain and 

16   suffering of Long Island commuters.  

17                I come from New York City.  I wake 

18   up every morning and read the list of the subway 

19   trains that actually aren't running or running on 

20   time.  It's usually longer than the list of those 

21   that are.

22                So we have mass transit crises in 

23   Long Island, New York City -- and apparently, 

24   based on other bills I looked at today, upstate 

25   as well.


                                                               2774

 1                The catch is sending people their 

 2   money back when the trains aren't working 

 3   decreases the amount of money you have to try to 

 4   do the infrastructure work.  And the way that 

 5   Amtrak, MTA, Long Island Railroad interconnect, 

 6   our taking this money and sending it back to 

 7   individual riders can translate into Amtrak 

 8   radically reducing the amount of money they 

 9   commit to us for LIRR and the MTA.  

10                So it's a statement, and I get it.  

11   And people are mad as hell.  And trust me, I get 

12   it, because I represent New York City, where also 

13   the trains aren't running on time and also people 

14   have to get through Penn Station in and out on a 

15   daily basis.  And frankly, we're worried that 

16   people will be trampled to death given the volume 

17   of people without adequate train service.

18                I just don't think that taking money 

19   out of the system is the solution.  So I have to 

20   vote no and hope that we all act like grownups 

21   together -- sit down, between the MTA, Amtrak, 

22   Long Island Railroad, Metro-North, and figure out 

23   how we make the real structural improvements.  

24   That is what we are actually being called upon to 

25   do.


                                                               2775

 1                So I vote no, Mr. President.

 2                Thank you.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 4   Krueger to be recorded in the negative.

 5                Senator Squadron to explain his 

 6   vote.

 7                SENATOR SQUADRON:   Yes, I'm going 

 8   to vote yes, Mr. President.  

 9                I hear from Senator Kaminsky and 

10   Senator Brooks almost every day, certainly every 

11   week, just what's happening with Long Island 

12   Railroad and what a disaster it is and how much 

13   the riders really need some relief here.  

14                And I've got to tell you, no one 

15   needs to tell me how bad Amtrak is.  I use 

16   Penn Station, I travel through Penn Station, and 

17   I am sorry I do.

18                Often on my way there I'll take the 

19   F train.  And let me tell you, that is a pretty 

20   unpleasant experience a lot of the time.  And 

21   even days I'm not taking it, my wife is, and 

22   that's also an unpleasant experience for all 

23   involved, because too often it's breaking down.  

24                MTA subway trains are breaking down 

25   three times more quickly than they were even five 


                                                               2776

 1   years ago.  That means they only run a third as 

 2   far before they break down.  Delays are up -- 

 3   have tripled in those same five years, 70,000 

 4   delays.

 5                The fact that in this house we're 

 6   helping Long Island Railroad riders is a good 

 7   thing, and I thank the sponsor for that.  The 

 8   fact that we're finally saying to Amtrak "The way 

 9   you treat us in New York and the way you treat 

10   your system is unacceptable" is a good thing.  I 

11   appreciate that.  

12                But, you know, it always stops 

13   there.  Too often with our transit system there 

14   are just fingers being pointed.  The truth is we 

15   in the Legislature have the ability to fund a 

16   capital plan that got new cars, got better 

17   signals, got more dependable commuter service.  

18   The truth is we have the ability to fund the 

19   MTA's operating so that it's not on the back of 

20   commuters whose service is woefully unacceptable.  

21   In fact, instead, in the budget that got passed 

22   just a month or so ago, we took $65 million from 

23   the MTA.  

24                You know, the truth is I'm glad 

25   we're doing something for the riders, I'm glad 


                                                               2777

 1   we're saying something to Amtrak.  But when are 

 2   we going to do something so that the system lets 

 3   people get to work, get to doctor's appointments, 

 4   visit their family and travel around the region 

 5   from the Hudson Valley to the eastern end of 

 6   Long Island, through New York City, in a decent 

 7   way?  

 8                You know, in this house there's a 

 9   lot of press releases about the Transit Authority 

10   and Long Island Railroad and the MTA, a lot of 

11   complaints, but not a lot of responsibility to 

12   fix the system.  I wish we would see that.  

13                I'm a yes, Mr. President.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

15   Squadron to be recorded in the affirmative.

16                Senator Kennedy.

17                SENATOR KENNEDY:   Thank you very 

18   much, Mr. President.  

19                I rise to support this legislation.  

20   I want to thank the sponsor for putting this 

21   legislation forward.  I think this is extremely 

22   important -- yes, to the people of New York City, 

23   yes, to the people of Long Island, and yes, to 

24   all New Yorkers no matter where you live in 

25   New York State.  The hundreds of thousands of 


                                                               2778

 1   riders of the MTA that depend upon the service 

 2   deserve better.  

 3                And I want to thank my colleagues on 

 4   both sides of the aisle, including Senator 

 5   Kaminsky and Senator Brooks, for championing this 

 6   issue on our side of the aisle.  But this is 

 7   something that has bipartisan support.  And, you 

 8   know, the 50 million visitors to the City of 

 9   New York each and every year also depend on 

10   dependable service of the MTA.  

11                And this also lends attention to the 

12   fact that Amtrak -- whether we're talking about 

13   its relationship with New York City and the MTA 

14   or whether we're talking about its relationship 

15   with upstate riders out in Western New York and 

16   everywhere else -- Amtrak needs to get its act 

17   together.  Unfortunately, it's woefully behind 

18   the times in New York State and across the 

19   nation.  

20                And I also want to lend credit to 

21   the Governor for reaching out to the President of 

22   the United States to get federal engagement in 

23   this issue.  It is far too important.  Far too 

24   many people are depending on it.  And our economy 

25   is dependent upon a reliable solution to this 


                                                               2779

 1   issue.

 2                So with that, again I want to thank 

 3   the sponsor for bringing this to the floor, and I 

 4   vote aye.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 6   Kennedy to be recorded in the affirmative.

 7                Senator Hoylman to explain his vote.

 8                SENATOR HOYLMAN:   I wanted to thank 

 9   my colleagues, and in particular Senator Kaminsky 

10   for raising the issue of having public hearings 

11   on this.  

12                You know, Penn Station sits just 

13   adjacent to my district, and I take the train 

14   every week to Albany back and forth.  And I can 

15   tell you from personal experience that things 

16   have to change, as many of our constituents know.  

17                But somebody has got to own this 

18   problem, and that's been the problem.  This has 

19   been a slow-moving train wreck for so many of us.  

20   We have seen what happens when we don't fund our 

21   system, when we don't fund the basic necessities 

22   of state of good repair, whether it be the MTA or 

23   our infrastructure at Penn Station.

24                So I'm hopeful that this bill is the 

25   first of many opportunities for this chamber to 


                                                               2780

 1   actually take this issue head on, own it, as we 

 2   should as legislators, address the problem, come 

 3   up with more capital funding, and fight for our 

 4   commuters.  

 5                Thank you.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 7   Hoylman to be recorded in the affirmative.

 8                Senator Rivera.

 9                SENATOR RIVERA:   Thank you, 

10   Mr. President.

11                About 90 percent of the people in my 

12   district use a train or a bus every single day, 

13   as only 70 percent of the people in my district 

14   own a vehicle, own a car.  So mostly they get 

15   around by train.  So I certainly recognize the 

16   importance of making sure that we fund the MTA 

17   well.

18                As a matter of fact, it was a 

19   surprise to me when I became a Senator back in -- 

20   when I started serving in 2011, that we started 

21   talking about the MTA and how it was funded and I 

22   started finding out about these things called 

23   dedicated taxes that aren't actually dedicated.  

24   They're supposed to go to the funding of the MTA, 

25   and yet over the years, we as a Legislature and 


                                                               2781

 1   the different administrations and the Executive 

 2   have swept money here and there because we 

 3   figure, you know, we can take a couple of million 

 4   dollars here, a couple of million dollars 

 5   there -- and the impact that has been felt over a 

 6   long period of time impacts riders directly.  

 7                When you're talking about -- the 

 8   median income of my district is about $27,000, 

 9   $28,000 a year.  And when these folks -- as I 

10   said, 97 percent of them use a bus or a train 

11   every single day to get to and from work.  

12   Without it, they can't get to work.  And 

13   therefore the entire city would grind to a halt.  

14                Which is the reason why having 

15   conversations like we're having right now -- 

16   about the funding that is supposed to go to this 

17   institution and the taxes that we should be 

18   dedicating, by putting a lockbox on said taxes -- 

19   is extremely important.

20                So in this piece of legislation I 

21   certainly understand the reasoning for it.  I 

22   have a -- much like Senator Krueger expressed 

23   earlier, I do have some concerns about what this 

24   would potentially do to the funding that is so 

25   necessary.


                                                               2782

 1                So I encourage all of my colleagues 

 2   to take what we've said to heart.  We need to 

 3   make sure that we are responsible for this.  If 

 4   we are indeed responsible -- and we should be -- 

 5   then we should hold the MTA accountable, yes, but 

 6   hold ourselves accountable as well.  Over dozens 

 7   of years, over decades, we have defunded the MTA 

 8   and made it more difficult every single day for 

 9   it to provide the services that are essential to 

10   the people who live in our districts.  

11                So although I do understand the 

12   reasoning for this piece of legislation, I'll 

13   have to be voting in the negative.  

14                Thank you, Mr. President.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

16   Rivera to be recorded in the negative.

17                Seeing no other members wishing to 

18   address the house, Senator Phillips to close.

19                SENATOR PHILLIPS:   Thank you, 

20   Mr. President.  I would like to explain my vote.  

21                I'd first like to thank my 

22   colleagues for supporting this bill, particularly 

23   my colleagues on Long Island.

24                For hundreds of thousands of people 

25   living on Long Island who rely on the Long Island 


                                                               2783

 1   Railroad for their daily commute in and out of 

 2   Manhattan, the last couple of weeks have been an 

 3   absolute nightmare.  In my years as a Long Island 

 4   Railroad commuter, I certainly had my own 

 5   experiences -- delayed trains, canceled trains, 

 6   being stuck in tunnels -- but nothing, nothing 

 7   that compares to the nightmare that the riders 

 8   have been living with for the last couple of 

 9   weeks.

10                Penn Station is falling apart, and 

11   something has to be done.  And it's not like the 

12   Long Island Railroad commuters haven't been 

13   paying for their share of the maintenance to this 

14   point.  They've been paying for it in the high 

15   cost of their tickets.  And they've been paying 

16   for it through the investments that this Senate 

17   has made in the MTA's capital plan.  Repairs just 

18   have not gotten done.  

19                And with this summer's long-awaited 

20   rebuilding project about to begin, things are 

21   likely to get much worse.  Long Island Railroad 

22   commuters deserve better.  Simply, if you pay for 

23   service, you should expect to receive it.  And if 

24   you don't, you should be entitled to get your 

25   money back.  


                                                               2784

 1                This bill won't solve the problem of 

 2   long-overdue repair and rebuilding at Penn 

 3   Station, but what it will do is it will give the 

 4   Long Island Railroad commuters some long-overdue 

 5   relief.

 6                Once again, I thank my colleagues 

 7   across the aisle for supporting this bill.  And 

 8   Mr. President, I vote aye.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

10   Phillips to be recorded in the affirmative.

11                Announce the result.

12                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

13   Calendar 1076, those recorded in the negative are 

14   Senators Comrie, Gianaris, Krueger, Parker, 

15   Rivera and Serrano.

16                Ayes, 55.  Nays, 6.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

18   is passed.

19                Senator DeFrancisco.

20                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   The last one 

21   I'd like to take up on the supplemental calendar 

22   is Calendar 1077, Senate Print 6423.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

24   Secretary will read.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 


                                                               2785

 1   1077, by Senator Helming, Senate Print 6423, an 

 2   act to establish.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 4   last section.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 6   act shall take effect immediately.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 8   roll.

 9                (The Secretary called the roll.)

10                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

12   is passed.

13                Senator DeFrancisco.

14                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, now can 

15   we go back to Senator Akshar's bill that was on 

16   the supplemental calendar and it was laid aside.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

18   Secretary will ring the bell.

19                The Secretary will read.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

21   1059, by Senator Akshar, Senate Print 1115, an 

22   act to amend the Election Law.

23                SENATOR SQUADRON:   Explanation.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

25   Stavisky.


                                                               2786

 1                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Explanation, 

 2   please.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 4   Akshar.

 5                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Senator, this is 

 6   the same bill that we dealt with last year.  

 7   We're trying to consolidate the primaries.  

 8                And of course we have respectfully 

 9   disagreed, June versus August.  I happen to think 

10   that the August date is more important, for a 

11   plethora of reasons.  Number one, it complies 

12   with the MOVE Act.  Two, it clearly delineates 

13   the political season versus the legislative.  

14                The cost savings is relatively 

15   robust, from where I sit.  Schools are closed, 

16   and of course there's a shorter campaign season.

17                So again, it's the same bill that we 

18   discussed last year.  And I'm supporting the 

19   August date for the reasons that I just 

20   explained.

21                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Mr. President, 

22   would the Senator yield for some questions?

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

24   Senator yield for a question?  

25                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, I 


                                                               2787

 1   certainly will.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 3   Senator yields. 

 4                Senator Stavisky.

 5                SENATOR STAVISKY:   You just said 

 6   that it would reduce the number of primaries.  

 7   Aren't you adding the August date, an additional 

 8   primary?

 9                SENATOR AKSHAR:   No, I'm sorry, we 

10   would be consolidating the primary dates to an 

11   August date.

12                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

13   Senator continue to yield?  

14                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

15   Senator yield for a question?

16                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

18   Stavisky.

19                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Who is the 

20   Assembly sponsor?  

21                SENATOR AKSHAR:   As you well know, 

22   there isn't one.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   I'd just 

24   remind the members to please address their 

25   comments through the chair.


                                                               2788

 1                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

 2   there isn't one.

 3                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Will the Senator 

 4   continue to yield?  

 5                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

 7   Senator continue to yield?

 8                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

10   Stavisky.

11                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Is there a 

12   similar bill in the Assembly with a different 

13   date?

14                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

15   there certainly is.  Assemblyman Cusick is 

16   carrying a bill with a June date.

17                And I will say this, that since last 

18   year, carrying this bill with the August date, 

19   Assemblyman Cusick and I, along with the ranking 

20   member of the Elections Committee, have been 

21   communicating about the importance of trying to 

22   compromise on this particular bill.  We continue 

23   to have those conversations.  

24                However, we are getting towards the 

25   latter part of the legislation session, so I 


                                                               2789

 1   thought it important to move this bill.

 2                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Will the Senator 

 3   continue to yield?

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

 5   Senator yield?

 6                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I certainly do.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 8   Stavisky.

 9                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Mr. President, I 

10   believe there was a court decision by Judge 

11   Sharpe five years ago.  Can the Senator tell 

12   us the date that Judge Sharpe suggested as a 

13   consolidation date?  

14                SENATOR AKSHAR:   He said the date, 

15   in that particular decision, of June 26th.  

16                But I would note to my esteemed 

17   colleague that the judge also said "unless the 

18   state takes action to move the date within the 

19   guidelines set by the federal law."  Furthermore, 

20   he said "unless and until New York enacts 

21   legislation resetting the non-presidential 

22   federal primary election for a date that complies 

23   fully with the MOVE Act and is approved by this 

24   court."

25                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 


                                                               2790

 1   Senator continue to yield?  

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

 3   Senator yield?

 4                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 6   Senator will yield.

 7                SENATOR STAVISKY:   So why did he 

 8   suggest the June date instead of the August date?  

 9                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

10   through you.  Because unfortunately at that 

11   particular time the people in the Legislature 

12   couldn't put their minds together and come up 

13   with a date, so he was forced to make a decision.

14                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Will the Senator 

15   continue to yield?

16                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Certainly.  

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will he 

18   continue to yield?

19                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Certainly.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

21   Senator yields.

22                SENATOR STAVISKY:   If the primary 

23   were held in August, as your bill provides, how 

24   much time would the various boards of elections 

25   have to prepare the military ballots?


                                                               2791

 1                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Roughly two weeks, 

 2   Senator.

 3                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Will the Senator 

 4   continue to yield?

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will you 

 6   yield?

 7                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I certainly will.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 9   Senator yields.

10                SENATOR STAVISKY:   So if the 

11   primary date were in June, how much time would 

12   the boards of elections have to prepare the 

13   military ballots?  

14                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

15   more than two weeks.

16                SENATOR STAVISKY:   More than two 

17   weeks.  A lot more than two weeks.  

18                Would the Senator continue to yield?  

19                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

20   Senator yield?  

21                SENATOR AKSHAR:   My pleasure.

22                SENATOR STAVISKY:   The Election 

23   Commissioners Association stated that June would 

24   give them more time not only to prepare the 

25   military ballots, but to prepare the 


                                                               2792

 1   post-election audit and the canvass, and there 

 2   would be more time available to do so.  

 3                Does this bill contradict their 

 4   position?  And can you explain why the August 

 5   date would be preferable in terms of their 

 6   concerns with the audits, the canvass, and the 

 7   military ballots?

 8                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

 9   through you.  One of the things I would note is 

10   that while there are certainly competing 

11   interests on the two particular dates, nearly 

12   every outside group that you have discussions 

13   with on this particular matter really don't care 

14   what date we do it, they just simply want us to 

15   consolidate it.

16                Now, I'm not entirely sure what my 

17   esteemed colleague is reading.  I'm looking at 

18   Proposal 1 from the Election Commissioners 

19   Association's legislative committee agenda.  And 

20   specifically, the association supports a unified 

21   federal and state primary election that is 

22   MOVE Act compliant and urges the Legislature to 

23   reach an agreement on such a date as soon as 

24   possible.  So it didn't say specifically June 

25   versus August.  


                                                               2793

 1                Mr. President, I'm just simply 

 2   making the point.

 3                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

 4   Senator continue to yield?  

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

 6   Senator yield?  

 7                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Certainly.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 9   Stavisky.

10                SENATOR STAVISKY:   When do most 

11   people go on vacation?  

12                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Well, I think it 

13   all depends, Senator.  You may be moved to go on 

14   vacation in June.  I may be moved to go in 

15   August.

16                I can give you some statistics, some 

17   old statistics from a 2002 Gallup Poll.  

18   Twenty-nine percent of the people go on vacation 

19   in June, 35 percent of the people go on vacation 

20   in August.  That's only 6 percent more people 

21   going in August.

22                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

23   Senator continue to yield?  

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

25   Senator yield?


                                                               2794

 1                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Oh, it will be my 

 2   pleasure.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 4   Stavisky.

 5                SENATOR STAVISKY:   In other words, 

 6   people will take their children out of school in 

 7   June -- when they give the Regents, when they 

 8   have all kinds of tests, when they have 

 9   graduation ceremonies -- to go on vacation, and 

10   not in August?

11                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I don't -- 

12   Mr. President, I don't know what parents do.  I'm 

13   just simply giving you statistics from a 2002 

14   Gallup Poll.  

15                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

16   Senator continue to yield?  

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

18   Senator yield?

19                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Certainly.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

21   Senator yields for a question.

22                SENATOR STAVISKY:   In August, July 

23   and August, many people go on vacation.  They 

24   perhaps may work in a more recreational setting.  

25   We have seasonal workers who may not be working 


                                                               2795

 1   during the summer months.  How do you explain how 

 2   the August primary would benefit them?

 3                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Well, we were 

 4   talking -- Mr. President, through you, we're 

 5   talking specifically about vacation.  Right?  And 

 6   we're having this robust discussion about we 

 7   certainly can't do it in August, because more 

 8   people go on vacation, we must do it in June.

 9                I would suggest the use of absentee 

10   ballots.  People can use absentee ballots if they 

11   go on vacation, whether they go on vacation in 

12   June or August.  Right?  I mean, we have that 

13   option available to us.

14                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

15   Senator continue to yield?  

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

17   Senator yield?

18                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Sure.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

20   Senator yields.

21                SENATOR STAVISKY:   In other words, 

22   using an absentee ballot would make them not 

23   participate in the active political process, is 

24   that what you're saying?

25                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, I 


                                                               2796

 1   couldn't disagree more with my esteemed 

 2   colleague.  They're still voting.  They're still 

 3   casting their vote for their preferred candidate.

 4                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Will the Senator 

 5   continue to yield?

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

 7   Senator yield?

 8                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I certainly will.

 9                SENATOR STAVISKY:   I don't know 

10   about your area, but we have tremendous 

11   difficulty finding poll workers.  How would an 

12   August primary make it easier to find poll 

13   workers, people who are willing to put in those 

14   long, long hours at the board of elections?  

15                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

16   through you.  Those long, long poll hours would 

17   happen if we were doing this in May, June, July 

18   or August.  So I'm not entirely sure how it would 

19   be easier to find poll workers in June versus 

20   August.

21                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

22   Senator continue to yield?

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

24   Senator yield?

25                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I certainly will.


                                                               2797

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 2   Senator yields.

 3                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Many of the poll 

 4   sites don't have air-conditioning.  August can be 

 5   sweltering.  They call it the dog days of summer 

 6   for a reason -- it's really hot, particularly in 

 7   a school.  And many schools in the City of 

 8   New York are not air-conditioned.  I know the 

 9   weather is more temperate in other parts of the 

10   state, but how do you explain the difficulty in 

11   getting poll workers?  I repeat the question.

12                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

13   does my esteemed colleague want me to talk about 

14   the temperature at a polling place in August?  

15   Was that the question?  I'm sorry.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   That was 

17   the question.  

18                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Yes.

19                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

20   it's also hot in May.  If -- everybody in this 

21   room I'm sure remembers last week, it was 80-some 

22   degrees, and we all dealt with it just fine.

23                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

24   Senator continue to yield?

25                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 


                                                               2798

 1   Senator yield?

 2                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 4   Senator yields?

 5                SENATOR STAVISKY:   How much money 

 6   are we wasting currently by having the four 

 7   election days?  

 8                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I say $25 million; 

 9   I've heard your side of the aisle say 

10   $50 million.  All the more reason, Senator, that 

11   we should lay our political differences aside and 

12   find a way to compromise.

13                SENATOR STAVISKY:   I agree.

14                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Because it's not 

15   our money, it's the people's money that we 

16   represent.  And I think that that should be a 

17   major driving force, again, in setting our 

18   political differences aside and having a 

19   willingness to compromise on this particular 

20   issue.

21                SENATOR STAVISKY:   I agree totally, 

22   and I think that's why a June -- 

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator, 

24   are you asking a question?  

25                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Yeah, let me ask 


                                                               2799

 1   the question.

 2                What has been the experience of 

 3   election turnout in August compared to June?

 4                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Well, Senator -- 

 5   Mr. President, through you -- I'm extremely glad 

 6   that you asked that question.  I want to talk 

 7   specifically about four states with August 

 8   primaries.  They made up the top 15 highest voter 

 9   turnout.  Minnesota, 74.5 percent voter turnout, 

10   August primary, it just happened to go -- to lean 

11   Democrat.  The second-highest, Wisconsin, 

12   73 percent, happened to lean Democrat, but they 

13   have August primaries.  Just a couple of 

14   examples.

15                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

16   Senator continue to yield?

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

18   Senator yield?

19                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Certainly.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

21   Senator yields.

22                SENATOR STAVISKY:   In other words, 

23   you're telling me that there are four states with 

24   August primaries.  That means that there are 

25   46 states that don't have August primaries; is 


                                                               2800

 1   that correct?

 2                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Through you, 

 3   Mr. President.  No, ma'am, you're putting words 

 4   in my mouth.  

 5                There are 14 states in the union 

 6   that have a June primary, and there are 14 states 

 7   that have an August primary.  I was simply just 

 8   giving you a statistic of the top two states with 

 9   the highest voter turnout that happen to have 

10   August primaries.

11                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Would the 

12   Senator yield for --

13                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

14   Senator yield?  

15                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes, ma'am.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

17   Senator yields.

18                SENATOR STAVISKY:   How does 

19   New York State rank in terms of voter turnout?  

20                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, as 

21   we all know, it's very low.  This is a problem 

22   that we have to fix.  We have to do a better job 

23   and do our due diligence to increase voter 

24   turnout.

25                SENATOR STAVISKY:   And if the 


                                                               2801

 1   Senator would continue to yield.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

 3   Senator yield?

 4                SENATOR STAVISKY:   You think having 

 5   an election --

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

 7   Senator yield for a question?

 8                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, I 

 9   certainly do.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

11   Stavisky.

12                SENATOR STAVISKY:   So in the middle 

13   of the summer when people are away, when the 

14   schools are closed, when we have people perhaps 

15   working elsewhere, turnout is going to increase 

16   in August?  

17                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yeah.

18                SENATOR STAVISKY:   One last 

19   question.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

21   Senator yield for a last question?  

22                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I certainly do.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

24   Stavisky.

25                SENATOR STAVISKY:   The folks on 


                                                               2802

 1   this side of the aisle have made a number of 

 2   recommendations on how to improve voter turnout, 

 3   whether it be early voting, automatic 

 4   registration of voters.  How does the Senator 

 5   stand on these issues?

 6                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Well, 

 7   Mr. President, the matter that we're taking up 

 8   specifically today is the consolidation of 

 9   primary elections.  So I just want to make one 

10   point in regards to your question.  

11                We have enjoyed, this legislative 

12   session, a very good relationship with the 

13   ranking member on Elections as well as the 

14   Assemblyman Mike Cusick, and we're having those 

15   very good conversations about improving the 

16   election system in our state.

17                So this is only one piece, but we 

18   are talking or at least having discussions about 

19   all of those other pieces in hopes that we can 

20   increase voter turnout.

21                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Thank you, 

22   Mr. President.  On the bill.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

24   Stavisky on the bill.

25                SENATOR STAVISKY:   On the bill.  


                                                               2803

 1                I intend to vote no for the reasons 

 2   that I have raised in my questions, because I 

 3   think the question of Judge Sharpe's decision 

 4   without doubt emphasizes the need for a June 

 5   primary.

 6                The third or fourth week in June 

 7   will give the boards of elections more time to 

 8   send out the military ballots, to conduct their 

 9   audits, to conduct their canvass.  I think voter 

10   turnout will improve with a June primary.  

11                We used to have June primaries many 

12   years ago, including for the Legislature, back in 

13   the 1970s.  And it didn't make major changes; we 

14   dealt with the idea of a June primary.

15                And I urge my colleagues on the 

16   other side of the aisle to give serious 

17   consideration to a June primary, because it will 

18   save us the $50 million that we spend 

19   unnecessarily, it will consolidate the primaries 

20   so that the presidential primary, the 

21   congressional and the legislative and the 

22   general, will be consolidated.  

23                And the purpose is to save money for 

24   the localities.  Primaries and general 

25   elections are very expensive, particularly for 


                                                               2804

 1   the localities, and for that reason I will vote 

 2   no, Mr. President.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 4   Stavisky to be recorded in the negative.

 5                Senator Squadron, why do you rise?

 6                SENATOR SQUADRON:   If the sponsor 

 7   would yield.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

 9   sponsor yield for a question?  

10                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Of course.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   For a 

12   question.

13                SENATOR SQUADRON:   It may be more 

14   than one, warning.  But I appreciate as many as 

15   the sponsor is willing to.  Thank you, 

16   Mr. President.

17                Just briefly, I know the sponsor 

18   talked about the Minnesota primary turnout, and I 

19   think I may have misheard that number here in the 

20   corner of the room.  Would the sponsor mind 

21   repeating that?  

22                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I'm sorry.  

23   Mr. President, through you.  He's asking me about 

24   the Minnesota primary?

25                SENATOR SQUADRON:   Yes.


                                                               2805

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   That was 

 2   the Senator's question, the turnout. 

 3                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.  Senator, 

 4   74.5 percent.

 5                SENATOR SQUADRON:   Through you, 

 6   Mr. President.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

 8   sponsor yield?  

 9                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I certainly will.

10                SENATOR SQUADRON:   I believe, from 

11   what I recall of what I was just looking at, that 

12   the turnout was 7.4 percent of eligible voters in 

13   the August primary in Minnesota.

14                SENATOR AKSHAR:   I'm sorry?

15                SENATOR SQUADRON:   I believe that 

16   the turnout was 7.4 percent of eligible voters.

17                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

18   that's certainly not the statistic that I'm 

19   looking at here that I was provided.  So I'd love 

20   to converse with you after this debate.

21                SENATOR SQUADRON:   And I will get 

22   the citation for that.  

23                If the sponsor would yield for 

24   another question.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 


                                                               2806

 1   sponsor yield for a question?

 2                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 4   sponsor yields.

 5                SENATOR SQUADRON:   So through all 

 6   this conversation this year and last year -- and 

 7   I know the sponsor has had to answer a lot of 

 8   questions about this bill -- there's sort of a 

 9   core issue that I continue not to understand, 

10   which is why the August date -- and I just want 

11   to confirm that this August date is similar to 

12   the date in S6604 that the sponsor passed through 

13   the Senate March 2nd of last year as well.

14                SENATOR AKSHAR:   It is, 

15   Mr. President.

16                SENATOR SQUADRON:   If the sponsor 

17   will continue to yield.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

19   sponsor yield?  

20                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

22   sponsor yields.

23                SENATOR SQUADRON:   And I also want 

24   to confirm the sponsor is familiar with -- and I 

25   know the sponsor is knowledgeable on this 


                                                               2807

 1   issue -- with S3562, whose companion bill, A3052, 

 2   sponsored by Assemblymember Cusick, passed the 

 3   Assembly just recently.

 4                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 5                SENATOR SQUADRON:   And, sorry, not 

 6   to belabor it, but if the sponsor would yield for 

 7   another question in response --

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Does the 

 9   sponsor yield?

10                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

12   sponsor yields.

13                SENATOR SQUADRON:   -- that the 

14   sponsor is aware that that bill that has passed 

15   the Assembly this year, and a similar bill passed 

16   last year as well, offers the June date for the 

17   primary.

18                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

19                SENATOR SQUADRON:   So if the 

20   sponsor would yield again.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

22   sponsor yield?

23                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

25   sponsor yields.


                                                               2808

 1                SENATOR SQUADRON:   If we all agree 

 2   that wasting between $25 million and $50 million 

 3   every election cycle -- forcing localities to 

 4   have multiple dates, forcing voters to have 

 5   multiple dates, which makes it that much harder 

 6   for working people to participate in the 

 7   electoral process -- is a problem, and so we 

 8   agree it's got to be moved and unified, why does 

 9   the sponsor believe the third week in August is 

10   better than June?  

11                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Look -- 

12   Mr. President, through you -- we're simply moving 

13   the date three weeks.  It's a date that is 

14   closest to when everybody is, generally speaking, 

15   used to voting in the primary election.  

16                And as I stated earlier, I think 

17   that we in this house have to make a decision.  

18   Are we going to do the work that the people 

19   elected us to do during a certain period of time, 

20   or are we going to be back in our districts 

21   campaigning?  And I'm simply saying that the 

22   August date clearly draws a distinct line between 

23   the political process and the legislative 

24   process.  It's one of the biggest issues that I 

25   think June versus August addresses.


                                                               2809

 1                SENATOR SQUADRON:   If the sponsor 

 2   will continue to yield.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

 4   sponsor yield?

 5                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 7   sponsor yields.

 8                SENATOR SQUADRON:   Has the sponsor 

 9   had conversations with the Assembly sponsor about 

10   June versus August?  And if so, what are the 

11   outcomes of that conversation?

12                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Well, 

13   Mr. President, we find ourselves knowing that the 

14   Assembly passed the June date, and here we are 

15   debating the August date on the floor of the 

16   Senate.  So clearly the conversations that we 

17   have had to date haven't allowed us to compromise 

18   on this particular issue.

19                You know, I am hopeful that -- you 

20   know, we have four weeks left, and there may be 

21   some room for further discussions and room for 

22   compromise.  At the end of the day there is a 

23   plethora of things that we're trying to do in 

24   regards to elections-related issues, and my hope 

25   is that we can compromise on this particular 


                                                               2810

 1   issue during those discussions.

 2                SENATOR SQUADRON:   If the sponsor 

 3   would continue to yield.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

 5   sponsor yield?

 6                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 8   sponsor yields.

 9                SENATOR SQUADRON:   Is it fair to 

10   say that one of the concerns that the sponsor has 

11   heard about an August primary, as compared to a 

12   June primary, is the fact that, you know, more 

13   than three times as many people, as Senator 

14   Hoylman said last year on the floor, are on 

15   vacation in August than are on vacation in June, 

16   and so therefore there are concerns that an 

17   August primary -- whether the sponsor agrees or 

18   not, there are concerns that an August primary 

19   would reduce turnout?

20                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Look, I think 

21   turnout is poor overall.  I think we can all 

22   agree to that.  The only thing I would add is 

23   that we're having this discussion and this 

24   argument about when people take vacation.  Do 

25   they take vacation in June, do they take it in 


                                                               2811

 1   August?  Well, I don't care when they take it.  

 2   File an absentee ballot, and you can vote.  You 

 3   can cast your vote for whoever you choose.

 4                SENATOR SQUADRON:   If the sponsor 

 5   would yield again.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Will the 

 7   sponsor yield?

 8                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Yes.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

10   sponsor yields.

11                SENATOR SQUADRON:   So I just want 

12   to confirm, the sponsor has not heard the concern 

13   that an August date would lead to lower turnout 

14   than a June date?  That's not a concern the 

15   sponsor has heard previously?  

16                SENATOR AKSHAR:   No, Mr. President, 

17   I have definitely heard people make that 

18   argument.

19                SENATOR SQUADRON:   Thank you.  

20                On the bill, Mr. President.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

22   Squadron on the bill.

23                SENATOR SQUADRON:   You know, 

24   fundamentally, this is not a question about 

25   whether everyone agrees that we need to unify the 


                                                               2812

 1   primary or at least talk about unifying the 

 2   primary.  The question is whether we're going to 

 3   realistically get that done and whether, when we 

 4   get that done, we're going to make it as easy as 

 5   possible for voters to vote.

 6                Unfortunately, with this bill a date 

 7   has been chosen, it sounds from the sponsor's 

 8   description, based more on legislative 

 9   convenience, which is the concern the sponsor 

10   raised, for August than voter turnout, which is 

11   the concern raised by Senator Stewart-Cousins, 

12   who sponsors the Senate version of the bill that 

13   passed the Assembly.

14                And I have to tell you, as between 

15   legislator convenience and the ability of voters 

16   to vote, for me it's a very easy question.  If 

17   there is any issue at all about voter turnout, we 

18   should allow ourselves to be inconvenienced to 

19   increase voter turnout, which is what a June 

20   primary would do.

21                And at some point I have to say, 

22   seeing the same bill cycle through this chamber 

23   that cycled through last year, that did not lead 

24   to a unified primary date or to an increase in 

25   convenience for the voters of New York, did not 


                                                               2813

 1   reduce the burdens on localities and local boards 

 2   of elections, you have to wonder whether a 

 3   unified primary is the goal at all.

 4                I have to say, moving the primary 

 5   date from September to August is not itself a 

 6   justifiable goal.  Its only merit seems to be 

 7   that it's more convenient for legislators.  

 8   Moving it from September to June has the benefit 

 9   of helping voter turnout -- at least there's a 

10   good argument for that -- and has the benefit, if 

11   this house were willing to do it, of actually 

12   unifying the primary.  

13                One-house bills do not unify 

14   primaries.  One-house bills do not relieve 

15   pressures on local governments.  One-house bills 

16   do not increase voter turnout.  A two-house bill 

17   would.  

18                The argument for the June primary is 

19   we could comply with the federal government, help 

20   active service members have their votes counted 

21   in state and local primaries, and actually unify 

22   the primary.  The argument for this bill is the 

23   other option would be inconvenient for 

24   legislators.  

25                So I'm a no on this bill, 


                                                               2814

 1   Mr. President.  And I know the sponsor would love 

 2   to get to a conclusion here, and in fact after 

 3   this bill passed last year worked diligently to 

 4   try and find a compromise and a unified primary 

 5   date.  I would urge the sponsor to do that again.  

 6                I would say that in the interim I'm 

 7   not sure that the August one-house bill much 

 8   helps.  But I'd be happy to lend any support I 

 9   could to the sponsor to find a unified date that 

10   maximizes turnout and, most importantly, actually 

11   becomes law.

12                Thank you, Mr. President.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

14   Hoylman, why do you rise?

15                SENATOR HOYLMAN:   On the bill, 

16   Mr. President.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

18   Hoylman on the bill.

19                SENATOR HOYLMAN:   I'm not going to 

20   debate this bill.  I asked questions last year.  

21   I think the answers are basically the same.  I 

22   respect my colleague for his responses.

23                We are two ships passing in the 

24   night on this issue, I think it's pretty clear.  

25   It's also pretty comical that we can't even agree 


                                                               2815

 1   on how to get hired every two years.  The basic 

 2   requirements of electing this chamber led to this 

 3   confusion and disagreement.  

 4                We're citing statistics that are so 

 5   far from reality -- in fact, the reason Minnesota 

 6   and Wisconsin have such high voter turnout on 

 7   general election days, not primary election days, 

 8   is because they have same-day voter registration.  

 9   In Wisconsin and Minnesota you can walk in, as 

10   many of us on this side of the aisle have 

11   proposed, and register that same day and vote.  

12   That's why they have up to 70 percent and greater 

13   voter participation in general elections, not 

14   primaries, as Senator Squadron pointed out.  

15                There are so many things we can be 

16   doing to increase voter turnout if that's really 

17   our goal, as my colleague has suggested.  Of 

18   course, automatic voter registration, early 

19   voting, vote by mail, no-fault absentee voting, 

20   instant runoff, putting more money into our 

21   boards of elections.  

22                But certainly we need to have a 

23   conversation about it with our colleagues in the 

24   Assembly.  We haven't done that yet.  We haven't 

25   had public hearings.  We haven't asked the 


                                                               2816

 1   experts.  We don't have definitive statistics on 

 2   whether August or June would give us the highest 

 3   voter turnout.  We on this side of the aisle say 

 4   it's June.  You say it's August.  We have to 

 5   determine who is right on this issue, and we 

 6   haven't done our homework, frankly, 

 7   Mr. President, to do so.

 8                So I'll be voting in the negative.  

 9   It's a sad, sorry, dysfunctional state of affairs 

10   when we can't figure out the day to hold our 

11   primaries.  

12                Thank you, Mr. President.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

14   Comrie, why do you rise?  

15                SENATOR COMRIE:   On the bill, 

16   Mr. President.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

18   Comrie on the bill.

19                SENATOR KAMINSKY:   As ranking 

20   member on the committee, I want to thank the 

21   sponsor for his efforts as chair of the Elections 

22   Committee.  While we're not at the same place 

23   today and we're still at a stall, it's not on the 

24   actions of the chairman of the committee.  He has 

25   been trying to do meetings, he has been talking 


                                                               2817

 1   to Assemblyman Cusick, he has been talking to 

 2   other people about the merits of this bill.  So I 

 3   want to thank the sponsor for making every effort 

 4   to find compromise.

 5                Clearly this bill is not the bill 

 6   that we want to see voted on today.  I'm not 

 7   going to be voting in the affirmative on it.  My 

 8   colleagues have articulated the many reasons why 

 9   we should not have this bill today, because it's 

10   not a bill that really works for most of the 

11   people in this state.  

12                But I don't want anyone to think 

13   that the sponsor is not trying.  I have a good 

14   working relationship with him.  I don't want him 

15   to think that anyone would think that he's not 

16   making every effort that he can within his 

17   ability to make that happen.  So I don't want 

18   anybody to disparage the sponsor for his efforts.  

19   We won't cross that line.  That's not a line that 

20   I'm willing to cross.  

21                We will ask everyone, though, to 

22   really try to make this happen.  We need to make 

23   sense of this at some point.  We need to have a 

24   unified primary.  We need to have a date that 

25   everybody can agree on.  We can save $25 million 


                                                               2818

 1   to $50 million, whatever those statistics are.  

 2   We could make one unified date that all 

 3   New Yorkers could come up with so that we could 

 4   have more voter turnout.  With all of the other 

 5   things that we need to have to increase voter 

 6   turnout, I think it's incumbent upon us to 

 7   embrace that.  When you can have millions of 

 8   people vote online or on-phone and have an 

 9   effective and safe election, we need to start 

10   thinking about doing those things in New York 

11   also.

12                And I hope that we really will have 

13   those discussions to make sure that this can 

14   happen.  And I would hope that everyone here is 

15   serious about coming up with a unified date that 

16   makes sense for everyone.

17                And I want to thank the sponsor for 

18   his efforts to make this happen.  I want to 

19   encourage all of us on both sides of the aisle to 

20   try to make sure that we come up with a 

21   coordinated primary date that would ease the 

22   burden on all of us, but especially make sure 

23   that New Yorkers could have one date that they 

24   could depend on instead of four dates now.  

25                Thank you, Mr. President.


                                                               2819

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 2   Rivera, why do you rise?

 3                SENATOR RIVERA:   On the bill, 

 4   Mr. President.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 6   Rivera on the bill.

 7                SENATOR RIVERA:   So I represent 

 8   about 318,000 folks in the 33rd Senatorial 

 9   District, but back in 2010 it was about 310,000.  

10   Of those, 220,000 were over 18.  And of that, 

11   150,000 were over 18 and citizens.  And of that, 

12   143,000 were registered to vote.  Of that, 

13   123,000 were registered to vote as Democrats.

14                I won my primary with 9,333 total 

15   votes cast.  It was about 8.5 percent.  So 

16   certainly when we're talking about turnout even 

17   in an election in 2010, my primary, a lot of 

18   people were paying attention to it, a lot of 

19   money was spent.  So certainly we need to do more 

20   about making sure that people participate in the 

21   process.

22                The fact is that I agree with my 

23   colleague Senator Comrie that Senator Akshar is 

24   committed to doing all that he can.  I disagree 

25   that this is the best way to do it.  It is why 


                                                               2820

 1   I'm going to be voting in the negative on this 

 2   particular piece of legislation.  

 3                But I would encourage both Senator 

 4   Akshar as well as all of my colleagues to think 

 5   about the things that -- besides thinking about 

 6   the consolidation, which we certainly need to get 

 7   to some sort of agreement with the Assembly on, 

 8   there's many things that some of my colleagues 

 9   have mentioned and we have been talking about for 

10   years to make sure that we can get more voter 

11   turnout.  The fact is we want people to 

12   participate.  I know that, as I tell folks, the 

13   best way to make sure that we never become -- 

14   that we stay as public servants and don't become 

15   some of those people when people speak about --- 

16   in negative terms about these politicians, 

17   right -- and we know some of the folks that 

18   they're talking about -- the best way to avert 

19   that is to keep in as close contact with your 

20   constituency as possible, to make sure that we 

21   give them the ability to access the political 

22   system.

23                Whether we're talking about same-day 

24   registration -- my colleague Senator Hoylman 

25   spoke about it -- the fact is that we should 


                                                               2821

 1   sincerely think about how do we establish a 

 2   system where people can, if they want to 

 3   participate in the system, are able to get in 

 4   line the day that the voting is happening and be 

 5   able to register.  Or early voting.  That is 

 6   something that many states have been leading on 

 7   and being ahead of us for years.  Having just one 

 8   day in the middle of the week -- how about having 

 9   a week or two weeks?  

10                There's a lot of things that we can 

11   do.  And certainly it would cost some money, but 

12   it would be money well spent, because people 

13   would actually be able to more fully participate 

14   in the system.

15                Whether we're talking about 

16   no-excuse absentee ballots -- which is something 

17   that we certainly need to look closer into.  In 

18   the City of New York, there's a lot of hoops 

19   that one has to jump through to be able to say, I 

20   can't vote on Tuesday.  There's a lot of reasons 

21   why people might not be able to do it.  And 

22   again, when you're talking about the 8.5 percent 

23   turnout rate in the primary that I won back in 

24   2010, it will give you a perfect example.  

25   Certainly many people were paying attention, but 


                                                               2822

 1   not many actually could get to the polling booth.

 2                So if we give people an ability to 

 3   vote absentee without -- like no-excuse absentee, 

 4   that would be a better way to be able to make 

 5   sure that people participate.

 6                And certainly we can have 

 7   conversations about what each one of these 

 8   proposals needs to look like.  But the overall 

 9   point is that if we want more people to 

10   participate -- and I believe that we do, either 

11   on that side of the aisle or this one -- if we're 

12   more committed to making sure that people 

13   participate in the process, then we need to 

14   commit to really putting reforms forward that 

15   will achieve those aims.

16                Whether it's professionalizing the 

17   boards of elections, which is something that we 

18   also need to do -- sometimes I'm concerned that 

19   many board of elections tend to be places where 

20   not necessarily people that are most 

21   knowledgeable about a good -- how to run a system 

22   like that go.  We need to consider that as well.

23                Bottom line, ladies and gentlemen, 

24   if we are truly committed to the idea of 

25   expanding democracy and providing access to our 


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 1   constituency, then we need to commit ourselves to 

 2   real reforms in the election system, to making 

 3   sure that people can register on the same day, to 

 4   making sure that people can vote early over a 

 5   period of time, not just on one day.  Whether 

 6   we're talking about no-excuse absentees.  There's 

 7   a lot of things that we can do.  

 8                There's a lot of pieces of 

 9   legislation that folks on this side of the aisle 

10   have proposed.  There's many proposals that we 

11   can talk about.  The bottom line is that I 

12   believe we should, we need to, and hopefully in 

13   the years to come we can come to some sort of 

14   agreement.  

15                Because the fact is, 8.5 percent, 

16   it's anemic.  It's crazy, the fact that only -- 

17   of those -- now let me be clear, I won almost 

18   70 percent of the vote on that day so I'm able to 

19   say that I kicked somebody's bottom.  But the 

20   reality is 9300 people, total, voting, when I 

21   represent 310,000 -- that number always concerns 

22   me.  And it should concern all of us.  Because 

23   I'm sure that many of you in your primaries could 

24   speak to similar numbers as well.  

25                I'm sure that Senator DeFrancisco 


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 1   probably has a couple of thousand people who 

 2   came -- well, probably no.  He's been there, he's 

 3   a very popular guy, I'm sure that it's many more 

 4   thousands came out.  Just 9300 for me.  What can 

 5   I tell you.  Well, not even for me, 9300 total, 

 6   and only a couple of thousand for me.

 7                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   What are you 

 8   talking about? 

 9                (Laughter.)

10                SENATOR RIVERA:   I'm talking 

11   about -- I'm sorry about that, Mr. President.  I 

12   will conclude --   

13                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Members -- 

14   Senator Rivera -- 

15                SENATOR RIVERA:   I will conclude, 

16   Mr. President, by again urging all of us to 

17   commit ourselves in a real way to reforming the 

18   election system.  If we're committed to making 

19   sure people can participate, let's make sure that 

20   we do the right thing.  

21                I do not believe that this is the 

22   way to do it, Mr. President, so I'll be voting in 

23   the negative.  Thank you so much.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Seeing no 

25   other members wishing to be heard, the debate is 


                                                               2825

 1   now closed and the Secretary will ring the bell.

 2                Read the last section.

 3                THE SECRETARY:   Section 18.  This 

 4   act shall take effect immediately.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 6   roll.

 7                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 9   Tedisco to explain his vote.  

10                SENATOR TEDISCO:   Thank you, 

11   Mr. President and my colleagues.

12                First of all, let me thank the good 

13   Senator, Senator Akshar, for all his work on this 

14   piece of legislation.  He has done a tremendous 

15   job.  He's reached out to everybody about it.  

16   And he understands the importance of our job to 

17   protect taxpayers' dollars, to consolidate these 

18   primaries to save $25 million to $50 million of 

19   our taxpayers' hard-earned money.  Extremely 

20   important.

21                There's a time, ladies and 

22   gentlemen, for governing, and then there's a time 

23   for politicking.  And every two years that takes 

24   place when we have to go out and get a number of 

25   petitions.  It's not only petitions for our 


                                                               2826

 1   party, it's petitions for the secondary parties.  

 2   I think it's a terrible idea to suggest that the 

 3   June date is the appropriate time to start that 

 4   political -- not to start it, to finish that 

 5   political process.  Because the number-one effort 

 6   we have to contribute to, really 24/7, is to pass 

 7   the budget.  

 8                And the budget deadline is, as you 

 9   know, April first.  That means in the first or 

10   second week of March, as we lead into the most 

11   important and significant time when we're 

12   discussing, debating, and there's competing 

13   forces and we're trying to do the best job we 

14   possibly can for the single probably most 

15   important aspect of our job, and that's pass a 

16   good, balanced, on-time budget which protects and 

17   enhances the quality of life of the constituents 

18   that are out there in all our Senate and our 

19   Assembly districts, we're going to be out there 

20   in the streets leading up to those two or three 

21   or four weeks to the finality of the April 1st 

22   deadline, when we should be concentrating 

23   100 percent for getting that good, on-time 

24   budget.

25                And as you know, this is the first 


                                                               2827

 1   year in several years we went nine days past the 

 2   deadline.  And our full efforts were here working 

 3   on that budget.  All of us, all 63 of us, were 

 4   doing our job.  Ladies and gentlemen, for three 

 5   or four weeks leading up to the budget process -- 

 6   and we know infinitely, it always happens right 

 7   at the end when we close it down, and people are 

 8   working very hard to make sure we're doing the 

 9   best we possibly can, standing up for our Senate 

10   districts and their best interests as it relates 

11   to a whole bunch and a whole variety of issues in 

12   the budget.  Now you're going to have to be out 

13   there those three or four weeks if you want to 

14   get reelected so you can do that good job on 

15   behalf of your constituents every two years, in 

16   those two or three or four weeks leading up to 

17   the finality of the budget.  

18                I think your constituents are going 

19   to question, when you're out there ringing their 

20   doorbell, why aren't you working on behalf of the 

21   issue that's important to me?  Why aren't you 

22   spending 24/7 to make sure I'm represented on the 

23   single most important thing you're to do, and 

24   that's stand up for your constituents on the most 

25   important issues on a $153 billion budget this 


                                                               2828

 1   year.  We don't know what the amount is going to 

 2   be next year.  But at that period of time --

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator.

 4                SENATOR TEDISCO:   -- you're talking 

 5   about spending those three or four weeks --

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator.

 7                SENATOR TEDISCO:   -- on the 

 8   finality leading up to that deadline --

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   How are 

10   you voting, Senator?

11                SENATOR TEDISCO:   -- campaigning 

12   and getting petitions.  I think that's an 

13   extremely bad idea.  

14                So I think this is an important bill 

15   to pass, and I'm going to support it.  Thank you, 

16   Mr. President.  

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

18   Tedisco to be recorded in the affirmative.  

19                Senator Stavisky to explain her 

20   vote.

21                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Thank you, 

22   Mr. President.  

23                I just want to thank the sponsor for 

24   being responsive and answering the questions.  

25   And I look forward to a compromise which I think 


                                                               2829

 1   is in everybody's interest.  

 2                Thank you.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator, 

 4   how will you be voting?  

 5                SENATOR STAVISKY:   No.  

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Senator 

 7   Stavisky to be recorded in the negative.

 8                Announce the result.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

10   Calendar 1059, those recorded in the negative are 

11   Senators Addabbo, Bailey, Breslin, Brooks, 

12   Comrie, Díaz, Dilan, Gianaris, Hoylman, Kaminsky, 

13   Kennedy, Krueger, Latimer, Montgomery, Parker, 

14   Peralta, Persaud, Rivera, Sanders, Savino, 

15   Serrano, Squadron, Stavisky and Stewart-Cousins.  

16   Also Senator Alcantara.  Also Senator Hamilton.

17                Ayes, 35.  Nays, 26.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

19   is passed.

20                Senator DeFrancisco.

21                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   By unanimous 

22   consent, we're going to go back to today's 

23   calendar.  And those bills that were laid aside 

24   will be now taken up on a noncontroversial 

25   reading.


                                                               2830

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 2   Secretary will read.

 3                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 4   123, by Senator Avella, Senate Print 1408, an act 

 5   to amend the Real Property Tax Law.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 7   last section.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Section --

 9                SENATOR SERRANO:   Lay it aside.   

10                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Lay it aside 

11   for the day.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

13   is laid aside for the day.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

15   361, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 1002, an 

16   act to amend the Education Law.

17                SENATOR SERRANO:   Lay it aside.

18                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Lay it aside 

19   for the day.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

21   will be laid aside for the day.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

23   503, by Senator Ritchie, Senate Print 2125, an 

24   act to amend the Correction Law.

25                SENATOR SERRANO:   Lay it aside.


                                                               2831

 1                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   For the day.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 3   will be laid aside for the day.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 5   730, by Senator LaValle, Senate Print 2488, an 

 6   act to amend the Education Law.

 7                SENATOR SERRANO:   Lay the bill 

 8   aside, please. 

 9                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Lay it aside 

10   for the day.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

12   will be laid aside for the day.

13                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

14   775, by Senator Murphy, Senate Print 2098B, an 

15   act to amend the Agriculture and Markets law.

16                SENATOR SERRANO:   Lay it aside.

17                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Lay it aside 

18   for the day.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

20   will be laid aside for the day.

21                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

22   814, by Senator Valesky, Senate Print 5372, an 

23   act to amend the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

25   last section.


                                                               2832

 1                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

 2   act shall take effect immediately.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 4   roll.

 5                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 8   is passed.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

10   823, by Senator Marcellino, Senate Print 1313, an 

11   act in relation to legalizing, validating and 

12   ratifying.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

14   last section.

15                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

16   act shall take effect immediately.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

18   roll.

19                (The Secretary called the roll.)

20                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

22   is passed.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

24   843, by Senator Lanza, Senate Print 2636A, an act 

25   to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.


                                                               2833

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 2   last section.

 3                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

 4   act shall take effect immediately.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 6   roll.

 7                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

10   is passed.

11                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

12   845, by Senator Gallivan, Senate Print 3393, an 

13   act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

15   last section.

16                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

17   act shall take effect immediately.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

19   roll.

20                (The Secretary called the roll.)

21                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

23   is passed.

24                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

25   848, by Senator Tedisco, Senate Print 5369, an 


                                                               2834

 1   act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 3   last section.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 5   act shall take effect immediately.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 7   roll.

 8                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

11   is passed.

12                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

13   862, by Senator Gallivan, Senate Print 2923, an 

14   act to amend the Environmental Conservation Law.

15                SENATOR SERRANO:   Lay it aside.

16                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Lay it aside 

17   for the day.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

19   is laid aside for the day.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

21   897, by Senator Carlucci, Senate Print 4612, an 

22   act to direct.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

24   last section.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 


                                                               2835

 1   act shall take effect immediately.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

 3   roll.

 4                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 7   is passed.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 9   900, by Senator Marchione, Senate Print 5198, an 

10   act authorizing.

11                SENATOR SERRANO:   Lay it aside.

12                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Lay it aside 

13   for the day.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

15   is laid aside for the day.

16                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

17   914, by Senator Robach, Senate Print 1007, an act 

18   to amend the Penal Law.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

20   last section.

21                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

22   act shall take effect immediately.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

24   roll.

25                (The Secretary called the roll.)


                                                               2836

 1                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

 3   is passed.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 5   975, by Senator Alcantara, Senate Print 5559, an 

 6   act to direct.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Read the 

 8   last section.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

10   act shall take effect on the 120th day.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

12   roll.

13                (The Secretary called the roll.)

14                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

16   is passed.

17                Senator DeFrancisco, that completes 

18   the noncontroversial calendar.

19                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Can we now go 

20   to motions and resolutions.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Motions 

22   and resolutions.

23                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I'd like to 

24   call up Senator Little's bill, Senate Print 

25   1379B, recalled from the Assembly, which is now 


                                                               2837

 1   at the desk.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

 3   Secretary will read the title of the bill.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 55, 

 5   by Senator Little, Senate Print 1379B, an act to 

 6   establish.

 7                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I now move to 

 8   reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   Call the 

10   roll on reconsideration.

11                (The Secretary called the roll.)

12                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The bill 

14   is restored to its place on the Third Reading 

15   Calendar.

16                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I now offer 

17   the following amendments.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   The 

19   amendments are received at the desk, and the bill 

20   retains its place on the Third Reading Calendar.

21                Senator DeFrancisco.  

22                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Is there any 

23   further business at the desk?  

24                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   There is 

25   no further business at the desk.


                                                               2838

 1                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   There being 

 2   none, I move to adjourn until Tuesday, May 23rd, 

 3   at 3:00 p.m.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT CROCI:   On motion, 

 5   the Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 

 6   May 23rd, at 3:00 p.m.

 7                (Whereupon, at 6:06 p.m., the Senate 

 8   adjourned.)

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