Regular Session - April 30, 2018

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 1                NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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 4               THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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 9                  ALBANY, NEW YORK

10                   April 30, 2018

11                      2:01 p.m.

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14                   REGULAR SESSION

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18  LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR KATHLEEN C. HOCHUL, President

19  FRANCIS W. PATIENCE, Secretary

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 1                P R O C E E D I N G S

 2                THE PRESIDENT:   The Senate will 

 3   come to order.

 4                I ask everyone present to please 

 5   rise and repeat with me the Pledge of Allegiance.

 6                (Whereupon, the assemblage recited 

 7   the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

 8                THE PRESIDENT:   Today we have 

 9   Reverend Peter G. Young, of the Mother Teresa 

10   Community Center in Albany.  

11                Reverend Young?  

12                REVEREND YOUNG:   Thank you, 

13   Governor.

14                May we join together today and 

15   welcome Senator Mayer and Senator Sepúlveda.  We 

16   welcome them and we pray, too, for the good 

17   people that have been here to fulfill their 

18   commitment for public service as Senate members.  

19                We ask You, O God, to bless all of 

20   the dedicated people who have been here to be 

21   committed in leadership for the citizens of our 

22   great state.

23                May we thank You for all of our 

24   vetted people and the people that have been 

25   sacrificing their time and family and personal 


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 1   obligations to work here as a public servant and 

 2   for the pride and joy of being a New York State 

 3   citizen.  

 4                We ask You to bless them and their 

 5   good work.  Amen.

 6                THE PRESIDENT:   Thank you, 

 7   Reverend.

 8                The reading of the Journal.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   In Senate, Sunday, 

10   April 29th, the Senate met pursuant to 

11   adjournment.  The Journal of Saturday, 

12   April 28th, was read and approved.  On motion, 

13   Senate adjourned.

14                THE PRESIDENT:   Without objection, 

15   the Journal stands approved as read.

16                Presentation of petitions.

17                Messages from the Assembly.

18                The Secretary will read.

19                THE SECRETARY:   On page 7, Senator 

20   Griffo moves to discharge, from the Committee on 

21   Energy and Telecommunications, Assembly Bill 

22   Number 8288B and substitute it for the identical 

23   Senate Bill 6335C, Third Reading Calendar 96.

24                On page 10, Senator Murphy moves to 

25   discharge, from the Committee on Investigations 


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 1   and Government Operations, Assembly Bill Number 

 2   7178 and substitute it for the identical Senate 

 3   Bill 6128, Third Reading Calendar 152.

 4                On page 20, Senator Bonacic moves to 

 5   discharge, from the Committee on Judiciary, 

 6   Assembly Bill Number 8003 and substitute it for 

 7   the identical Senate Bill 6137, Third Reading 

 8   Calendar 324.

 9                On page 30, Senator Lanza moves to 

10   discharge, from the Committee on Agriculture, 

11   Assembly Bill Number 62A and substitute it for 

12   the identical Senate Bill 4796A, Third Reading 

13   Calendar 494.

14                And on page 32, Senator Serrano 

15   moves to discharge, from the Committee on Health, 

16   Assembly Bill Number 10065 and substitute it for 

17   the identical Senate Bill 7625, Third Reading 

18   Calendar 532.

19                THE PRESIDENT:   The substitutions 

20   are ordered.

21                Messages from the Governor.

22                Reports of standing committees.

23                Reports of select committees.

24                Communications and reports from 

25   state officers.


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 1                Motions and resolutions.

 2                Senator DeFrancisco.

 3                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Madam 

 4   President, I wish to call up Senator Bonacic's 

 5   bill, Print 1064, recalled from the Assembly, 

 6   which is now at the desk.

 7                THE PRESIDENT:   The Secretary will 

 8   read.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

10   142, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 1064, an 

11   act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

12                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I now move to 

13   reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed.

14                THE PRESIDENT:   Call the roll on 

15   reconsideration.

16                (The Secretary called the roll.)

17                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 50.

18                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I now offer 

19   the following amendments.

20                THE PRESIDENT:   The amendments are 

21   received.

22                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I also move 

23   to amend Senate Bill 1115A, on behalf of Senator 

24   Akshar, by striking out the amendments made on 

25   January 12, 2018, and restoring it to its 


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 1   original print number, namely 1115.

 2                THE PRESIDENT:   So ordered, and the 

 3   bill shall retain its place on the Third Reading 

 4   Calendar.

 5                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   On page 7, I 

 6   offer the following amendments to Calendar 101, 

 7   Senate Print 5912B, by Senator Jacobs, and ask 

 8   that said bill retain its place on the Third 

 9   Reading Calendar.

10                THE PRESIDENT:   So ordered, and the 

11   bill shall retain its place on the Third Reading 

12   Calendar.

13                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   On page 43, I 

14   offer the following amendments to Calendar 686, 

15   Senate Print 1297A, by Senator Marcellino, and 

16   ask that said bill retain its place on the 

17   Third Reading Calendar.

18                THE PRESIDENT:   So ordered.  

19                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Finally, on 

20   page 52, I offer the following amendments to 

21   Calendar 796, Senate Print 6072A, by 

22   Senator LaValle, and ask that said bill retain 

23   its place on the Third Reading Calendar.

24                THE PRESIDENT:   So ordered.

25                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Could you now 


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 1   please -- would you now please recognize Senator 

 2   Klein.

 3                THE PRESIDENT:   Senator Klein.

 4                SENATOR KLEIN:   Thank you, Madam 

 5   President.  

 6                On behalf of Senator Hamilton, I 

 7   move that the following bill be discharged from 

 8   its respective committee and be recommitted with 

 9   instructions to strike the enacting clause:  

10   Senate Bill 8263.

11                THE PRESIDENT:   So ordered.

12                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Madam 

13   President, could we please take up previously 

14   adopted Resolution 4126, by Senator Comrie, read 

15   it in its entirety, and call on Senator Comrie to 

16   speak, please.

17                THE PRESIDENT:   The Secretary will 

18   read.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Legislative 

20   Resolution Number 4126, by Senator Comrie, 

21   congratulating Cayla D. Kumar upon the occasion 

22   of being crowned Miss New York's Outstanding 

23   Teen.  

24                "WHEREAS, It is the sense of this 

25   Legislative Body to act to honor today's young 


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 1   people, the leaders of tomorrow, whose character 

 2   and achievements exemplify the ideals and values 

 3   cherished by this great state and nation; and 

 4                "WHEREAS, Attendant to such concern, 

 5   and in full accord with its long-standing 

 6   traditions, this Legislative Body is justly proud 

 7   to congratulate Cayla D. Kumar upon the occasion 

 8   of being crowned Miss New York's Outstanding Teen 

 9   on Saturday, April 7, 2018; prior to this 

10   competition, she won the Miss Bronx's Outstanding 

11   Teen Pageant; and 

12                "WHEREAS, With this monumental win, 

13   Cayla D. Kumar will represent New York State in 

14   the Miss America's Outstanding Teen competition  

15   in July, to be held in Orlando, Florida; and 

16                "WHEREAS, The Miss New York's 

17   Outstanding Teen Organization recognizes young 

18   women around the Empire State for their talents, 

19   scholastic achievement and community service; by 

20   the young age of 15, Cayla D. Kumar has already 

21   donated more than 4,100 hours of her precious 

22   time and energy to serving others; and 

23                "WHEREAS, Cayla D. Kumar also cooks 

24   meals for families of sick children at the Ronald 

25   McDonald House Charities of Long Island, and 


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 1   raises funds for children's cancer research 

 2   through her Gold Ribbon Project: Curing Pediatric 

 3   Cancer initiative; and 

 4                "WHEREAS, Cayla D. Kumar finds time 

 5   in her busy schedule to participate in various 

 6   pageants on the local, state, national, and 

 7   international levels, where she takes great pride 

 8   in serving as an advocate for pediatric cancer 

 9   research; classically trained in Indian dances 

10   from the Sadhanalaya School of Dance and the 

11   Natraj Center for the Performing Arts, she 

12   performs Bollywood dances for the audience; and 

13                "WHEREAS, Cayla courageously decided 

14   to channel grief into action after she witnessed 

15   first-hand the heartbreaking reach of cancer when 

16   she lost her great-grandmother to breast cancer; 

17   and 

18                "WHEREAS, Following her victory in 

19   the inaugural Young Voice of New York City talent 

20   competition, Cayla was crowned as the first-ever  

21   youth ambassador to St. Jude Children's Research 

22   Hospital, an institution dedicated to defeating 

23   the scourge of pediatric cancer, where she found 

24   kindred dreamers and leaders in her pursuit of 

25   the same goal; and 


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 1                "WHEREAS, By the age of 13, Cayla 

 2   Kumar had raised $25,000 for St. Jude Hospital, 

 3   and, possessing a heart and soul eternally 

 4   restless in endeavoring to triumph in the long 

 5   march toward a cure and a more hopeful tomorrow 

 6   for the youngest and sickest among us, has 

 7   dedicated herself to raising a total of 

 8   $2.7 million for that same hospital, which 

 9   shines, like she does, as a beacon of hope for 

10   countless families forced to find hope when it is 

11   scarce; and 

12                "WHEREAS, Currently, Cayla D. Kumar 

13   is a student at Archbishop Molloy High School, in 

14   Briarwood, New York; after she graduates in 2020, 

15   she plans to attend Johns Hopkins University 

16   School of Medicine in Maryland, in hopes of 

17   becoming a pediatric oncologist; and 

18                "WHEREAS, Cayla's fortitude and 

19   resolve in working indefatigably to eradicate 

20   this increasingly rampant disease was further 

21   bolstered after her seven-year-old cousin was 

22   recently diagnosed with a brain tumor; and 

23                "WHEREAS, For her steadfast and 

24   unremitting commitment to her community and her 

25   passion for eradicating pediatric cancer, Cayla 


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 1   D. Kumar is the recipient of five Presidential 

 2   Volunteer Service Awards; in 2015, she received 

 3   the New York State Governor's Recognition Award, 

 4   3C Award, and Public Advocate of New York City 

 5   Award; and 

 6                "WHEREAS, Cayla D. Kumar is an 

 7   exemplary young woman who will undoubtedly leave 

 8   her mark on the lives of those she has touched 

 9   personally through her promotion, leadership, and 

10   passion for her community and fellow New Yorkers, 

11   and it is clear that in the many years she has 

12   left she will do all she can to shape our 

13   collective humanity to be more compassionate, 

14   loving, and responsive to the needs of those who 

15   suffer; and 

16                "WHEREAS, The children of New York's 

17   immigrants and the young women of New York State 

18   have both contributed greatly to the cause of 

19   history's progress, breaking down traditional 

20   barriers and beating expectations, and Cayla 

21   Kumar, being both a young woman and a 

22   first-generation American, carries on this long 

23   tradition of activism and leadership into the 

24   newest generation of those for whom future 

25   successes are all but inevitable; and 


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 1                "WHEREAS, Cayla D. Kumar exemplifies 

 2   the potential inherent in our young women; she is 

 3   an outstanding role model for her peers and for  

 4   the young people with whom she works and stands 

 5   with poise and purpose to face the challenges of 

 6   new experiences; now, therefore, be it 

 7                "RESOLVED, That this Legislative 

 8   Body pause in its deliberations to congratulate 

 9   Cayla D. Kumar upon the occasion of being crowned 

10   Miss New York's Outstanding Teen, with the 

11   anticipation of her continued exemplary 

12   representation of the people of this great 

13   Empire State; and be it further 

14                "RESOLVED, That a copy of this  

15   resolution, suitably engrossed, be transmitted to 

16   Cayla D. Kumar."

17                THE PRESIDENT:   Senator Comrie on 

18   the resolution.

19                SENATOR COMRIE:   Thank you, Madam 

20   President.  Thank you, Floor Leader, for allowing 

21   this resolution to be read in total.

22                I want to commend to all of my 

23   members today that we have a young woman that is 

24   gracing our chamber who is an exceptional young 

25   lady.  As it has been said, she has already, at 


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 1   15 years old, put in more than 4,000 hours of 

 2   volunteer community service, focusing on her idea 

 3   and her desire to deal with children with 

 4   cancer -- already focusing on a career path 

 5   because of the tragedies that have happened in 

 6   her family, already working to make sure that she 

 7   does volunteer work not just for cancer victims, 

 8   but people throughout this state on various needs 

 9   and concerns.  

10                Cayla Kumar has been working to try 

11   to find herself and become an independent and 

12   resourceful person, and decided to focus on 

13   winning a pageant.  And in winning this pageant 

14   that she is now the representative for New York 

15   State for the Miss New York's Outstanding Teen 

16   competition, and will be going to Orlando, 

17   Florida, later this year to compete on a national 

18   level, she has taken herself from a person that 

19   was shy, that was introspective, to a person that 

20   if you have a chance to talk to her -- and I 

21   would invite you to talk to her today -- she is 

22   bright, she is active, she is a person that will 

23   engage you and shows you her positivity, shows 

24   you her radiance.  

25                She has worked hard to change 


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 1   herself and make herself competition-worthy, a 

 2   person with high self-esteem and with high moral 

 3   values.  

 4                I want to thank her mother, Romeena 

 5   Kumar, for all the things that she's doing today.  

 6                We are also joined by Mr. Rik 

 7   Darmstadt, the president of Miss New York's 

 8   Outstanding Teen, which is a program that is 

 9   focusing on making children whole -- not giving 

10   them an opportunity just to participate in 

11   competition but to understand that they can be 

12   people that are worthy, people that are looking 

13   for causes.  They're focusing on giving them a 

14   focus on volunteer activities, honing their 

15   skills, creating opportunities for them to become 

16   better orators, better people.

17                Cayla has also, unfortunately, been 

18   harassed her entire -- up to today, she's still 

19   being bullied over the Internet because she is a 

20   successful young lady, because she desired to go 

21   and be in a pageant, because she desired to try 

22   to make something of herself, because she desired 

23   to want to focus on volunteerism.  

24                We have to make sure that young 

25   people like Cayla that have a vision, that have a 


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 1   drive, that have a desire to do something, are 

 2   nourished by the entire community and not be 

 3   bullied over the Internet, not be picked on by 

 4   their peers because they're being successful.  

 5                Because they are a bright star that 

 6   wants to shine and help our community, because 

 7   they are a young lady or a young person that 

 8   wants to do something to make a difference in 

 9   this world, she should be complimented and 

10   applauded at every stage.

11                So I ask you today to please give 

12   her the privileges of the house.  She has done a 

13   lot of work to do the things that she has to get 

14   her to this point where she's Miss New York's 

15   Outstanding Teen, where she has the time to be a 

16   person that is not just trained in classical 

17   dance, but she's even had time to go to the 

18   White House to fight for more pediatric cancer 

19   research funding.  She's not just a varsity 

20   swimmer and a member of her high school's 

21   broadcast and newspaper club, but she's a student 

22   and a daughter.

23                I want to again just say that, you 

24   know, Cayla represents what all New Yorkers 

25   should be -- someone that wants to strive to make 


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 1   a difference, someone that wants to take an 

 2   opportunity and give that opportunity to many 

 3   other people.

 4                So I want to thank you, Madam 

 5   President.  I ask you to extend the privileges of 

 6   the house to Miss Cayla Kumar.  This is not the 

 7   last time that we will hear great things about 

 8   Cayla, because I'm sure that Cayla is a change 

 9   agent that we all need to embrace and watch as 

10   her star continues to rise.

11                Thank you.

12                THE PRESIDENT:   Mr. Floor Leader.

13                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I would like 

14   to congratulate Cayla as well.  

15                If you've done all of this in 

16   15 years, I can't imagine what you're going to do 

17   during your lifetime.  It's an incredible, 

18   incredible set of accomplishments.

19                I can tell you Senator Comrie is 

20   breathing a sigh of relief because you're too 

21   young to run against him.  

22                (Laughter.)

23                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   And that 

24   would be a very difficult race.

25                One other thing I wanted to mention, 


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 1   when Senator Comrie mentioned about the bullying.  

 2   You know, it's amazing that you would have to go 

 3   through anything like that.  But let me tell you 

 4   what I think of whenever that happens to me.  You 

 5   can't imagine that I get bullied.  

 6                But in any event, when someone is 

 7   criticizing me, I always take the position that 

 8   the people that are doing the nonconstructive 

 9   criticism are really the people that don't do a 

10   damn thing.  Okay?  They're the ones that just 

11   complain.  You're the one doing.  You're the one 

12   doing great things.  And always remember that, 

13   because you've got a great future and we wish you 

14   the best.

15                Thank you.

16                THE PRESIDENT:   Senator Little on 

17   the resolution.

18                SENATOR LITTLE:   Thank you, Madam 

19   President.

20                And I would like to just join my 

21   colleagues in thanking you for what you have done 

22   and what you have become.  There's a saying that 

23   it's not what happens to you, but it's how you 

24   deal with it.  And you've certainly dealt with it 

25   better than many, many people will.  And you are 


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 1   a great example to other teenagers.  

 2                So congratulations.  And as Senator 

 3   DeFrancisco said, I know you're going to go on to 

 4   great things in your lifetime.  So well done.

 5                Thank you.

 6                THE PRESIDENT:   Mr. Floor Leader.

 7                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   That 

 8   resolution is open for cosponsorship.  If you'd 

 9   like to cosponsor, please notify the desk.

10                THE PRESIDENT:   The resolution is 

11   open for cosponsorship.  If you'd like to 

12   cosponsor, please notify the desk.

13                (Standing ovation.)

14                THE PRESIDENT:   Mr. Floor Leader.

15                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Madam 

16   President, could you now please recognize Senator 

17   Stewart-Cousins for some introductions.

18                THE PRESIDENT:   Senator 

19   Stewart-Cousins.

20                SENATOR STEWART-COUSINS:   Thank 

21   you, Madam President.  

22                It is really an honor to have you 

23   here presiding and certainly celebrating a lot of 

24   greatness in the chamber, including our Miss Teen 

25   New York.  But one of the things that you did 


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 1   earlier, an honor for our two new members, you 

 2   swore them in.  So thank you so much for that.  

 3                And I'd like to introduce these 

 4   extraordinary new Senators to the house.  And 

 5   give you an opportunity to really celebrate some 

 6   of the best that the Assembly has to offer.  And 

 7   I was told that by Assemblymembers that came over 

 8   to watch the swearing-in -- they said "You got 

 9   two of our best," and I know that we did.

10                These two new Senators actually have 

11   traveled the road together.  They came in in 

12   2013.  So it is wonderful that they are now able 

13   to come to the, quote, unquote, upper house 

14   together in 2018.  

15                They are both attorneys.  They are 

16   both activists.  They are both people who find no 

17   more pleasure than in public service and serving 

18   their communities.  

19                Senator Sepúlveda, as I said, is an 

20   attorney.  His passion is criminal justice.  His 

21   passion is advocacy in the mental health area.  

22   His passion is making sure that New Yorkers get 

23   everything we have to offer them.

24                Senator Sepulve -- Sulp -- you know 

25   what, I'm being trained on this.  I grew up in 


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 1   the Bronx, and the emphasis was on another 

 2   syllable.

 3                (Laughter.)

 4                SENATOR STEWART-COUSINS:   So 

 5   Senator Luis Sepúlveda is joined here by his wife 

 6   Elizabeth, his two sons, Julian and Luis, and his 

 7   mother-in-law, Barbara.  And I just want to say 

 8   that again -- and I've said it before -- they 

 9   don't have to come over.  It's a little bit 

10   tougher here.  But we get the toughest, and we 

11   get the best, and we extend our gratitude for 

12   what you are going to bring to this house.

13                So welcome, Senator Sepúlveda.

14                (Standing ovation.)

15                SENATOR STEWART-COUSINS:   Our 

16   second new Senator is Senator Shelley Mayer.  

17   Shelley is no stranger to this chamber.  Many of 

18   you remember her when she was counsel to the 

19   Democrats some years back.  Prior to that, she 

20   worked with Attorney General Robert Abrams.

21                But as I said, she's been in the 

22   Assembly.  And she has distinguished herself as a 

23   champion, as a partner in all things good for me, 

24   because we share a district in Westchester 

25   County -- she has the east side, I have the west 


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 1   side.  And there has not been a greater advocate, 

 2   again, for justice, for working people and 

 3   families, and for education.  

 4                So I know that Senator Mayer will 

 5   again bring her tremendous expertise and energy 

 6   to make this a better place and to make New York 

 7   State a better state.

 8                Welcome, Senator Shelley Mayer.

 9                (Standing ovation.)

10                SENATOR STEWART-COUSINS:   And I 

11   just wanted to say, because he will kill me after 

12   all the work that he's done, that she is joined 

13   here by her wonderful husband Lee, wherever Lee 

14   is.

15                (Applause.)

16                THE PRESIDENT:   Senator Flanagan.

17                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, would 

18   you now please recognize Senator Flanagan.

19                THE PRESIDENT:   I'd be honored.  

20                Senator Flanagan.

21                (Laughter.)

22                SENATOR FLANAGAN:   We were just 

23   talking for a second.  Sorry for the delay.

24                Madam President, it's nice to see 

25   you here today.  We have that big burly strapping 


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 1   young man next to you, for whatever kind of 

 2   protection you may need up there today.  

 3                (Laughter.)

 4                SENATOR FLANAGAN:   I'm not sure if 

 5   we should give you a step stool up or make him 

 6   take a step down, but nonetheless, it's nice 

 7   to --

 8                (Laughter.)

 9                SENATOR FLANAGAN:   All right, good 

10   job, James.  Good job. 

11                Before I recognize, in conjunction 

12   with Senator Stewart-Cousins, our two newest 

13   colleagues, I just want to add my voice quickly.  

14   This is one of the things about our jobs that I 

15   still really like, when we get to see an 

16   outstanding young woman -- really, in reality, 

17   she's still a girl -- but she's a young woman.  

18   And this, for me, it's a renewal of faith.  You 

19   know, you come in, you get to listen to a long 

20   resolution talk about her accomplishments -- 

21   4,000 hours of community service.  We're lucky.  

22   We're lucky and we're blessed because she's 

23   already one of our leaders and will be a future 

24   leader.  

25                So not only do you look spectacular, 


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 1   but you've obviously served with distinction 

 2   already.  So please just let me congratulate you 

 3   as well and add my voice to the chorus of 

 4   applause that you so richly deserve.  All the 

 5   best to you.

 6                To our colleagues.  I have been 

 7   repetitious, but not to a fault.  I have been 

 8   repetitious in talking about the value of public 

 9   service, the nobility of public service, the 

10   value of being an elected official, and we should 

11   all be proud for that.

12                Senator Stewart-Cousins spoke 

13   glowingly of her new colleagues and our new 

14   colleagues.  And it is pretty interesting because 

15   I can look around the room, there are so many 

16   members who are seated here who did serve in the 

17   Assembly.  

18                I -- just a little bit different.  

19   Senator Seward and I got elected the same year.  

20   But I'm at a juncture in my career where I have 

21   fifty-fifty:  16 years in the Assembly and now 

22   16 years in the Senate.

23                So to Senator Shelley Mayer, to 

24   Senator Luis Sepúlveda, bienvenido --

25                SENATOR STEWART-COUSINS:    


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 1   Sepúlveda.

 2                SENATOR FLANAGAN:   Sepúlveda, 

 3   right.  

 4                (Laughter.)

 5                SENATOR FLANAGAN:   All right, 

 6   here's the safest thing we can do.  I'm just 

 7   going to say "Hey, Senator, good to see you.  

 8   Good luck."

 9                (Laughter.)

10                SENATOR FLANAGAN:   We'll work on 

11   the verbiage after.  

12                But we are at a juncture now, as you 

13   all well know, we have six or seven weeks and we 

14   have to go about the people's business.  So I 

15   know we're going to do that and to have two new 

16   fresh voices with experience.  Let's continue to 

17   serve with distinction.  You will cut your own 

18   path, as you already have.  I wish you Godspeed, 

19   and let's make sure that we get the people's 

20   business done in a way and shape and form that 

21   makes all of us proud, including our 

22   constituents.  

23                Welcome to both you.

24                (Applause.)

25                THE PRESIDENT:   If I could just 


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 1   take a second to add my voice in congratulation 

 2   to Senator Sepúlveda, Senator Mayer -- that has a 

 3   nice sound to it.  

 4                And I want to welcome you to join us 

 5   here in a place where people do the work of the 

 6   people every single day.  And while you may hear 

 7   controversy outside these doors, inside this room 

 8   there is a strong sense of a calling that each 

 9   one of us has this unique opportunity to serve 

10   the people of our districts and the people of our 

11   state.  

12                So it is a great honor of mine to be 

13   able to have sworn you in and to welcome you as 

14   our newest Senators.  Thank you.

15                Senator DeFrancisco.

16                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, Madam 

17   President, Senator Stewart-Cousins hands up the 

18   following Democrat Conference committee 

19   assignments.

20                THE PRESIDENT:   The committee 

21   assignments are received and filed with the 

22   Journal Clerk.

23                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Okay, there 

24   will now be an immediate meeting of the 

25   Rules Committee in Room 332.


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 1                THE PRESIDENT:   Immediate meeting 

 2   of the Rules Committee in Room 332 of the 

 3   Capitol.  

 4                The Senate will stand at ease.

 5                (Whereupon, the Senate stood at ease 

 6   at 2:27 p.m.)

 7                (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened at 

 8   2:46 p.m.)

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

10   Senate will return to order.

11                Senator DeFrancisco.

12                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, is there 

13   a report of the Rules Committee at the desk?  

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   There is 

15   a report of the Rules Committee at the desk, and 

16   the Secretary will read.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Senator Flanagan, 

18   from the Committee on Rules, reports the 

19   following bills:  

20                Senate Print 623, by Senator Boyle, 

21   an act to amend the Penal Law; 

22                Senate 638, by Senator Boyle, an act 

23   to amend the Penal Law; 

24                Senate 816, by Senator Funke, an act 

25   to amend the Public Health Law; 


                                                               2219

 1                Senate 880, by Senator Ortt, an act 

 2   to amend the Penal Law; 

 3                Senate 933B, by Senator Croci, an 

 4   act to amend the Public Health Law; 

 5                Senate 1127, by Senator Akshar, an 

 6   act to amend the Penal Law;

 7                Senate 1211, by Senator Ortt, an act 

 8   to amend the Penal Law; 

 9                Senate 2639, by Senator Lanza, an 

10   act to amend the Public Health Law; 

11                Senate 2730, by Senator Griffo, an 

12   act to amend the Penal Law; 

13                Senate 2814, by Senator Hannon, an 

14   act to amend the Penal Law; 

15                Senate 2819, by Senator Lanza, an 

16   act to amend the Executive Law; 

17                Senate 2997A, by Senator LaValle, an 

18   act to amend the Executive Law; 

19                Senate 3845, by Senator Marchione, 

20   an act to amend the Penal Law; 

21                Senate 4036, by Senator Tedisco, an 

22   act to amend the Penal Law; 

23                Senate 4821, by Senator LaValle, an 

24   act to amend the Executive Law; 

25                Senate 5399A, by Senator Golden, an 


                                                               2220

 1   act to amend the Penal Law; 

 2                Senate 5884A, by Senator Jacobs, an 

 3   act to amend the Public Health Law; 

 4                Senate 5949, by Senator Akshar, an 

 5   act to amend the Public Health Law; 

 6                Senate 6200A, by Senator Lanza, an 

 7   act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law; 

 8                Senate 6348, by Senator Robach, an 

 9   act to amend the State Finance Law; 

10                Senate 6846, by Senator Golden, an 

11   act to amend the Criminal Procedure Law; 

12                Senate 7370, by Senator Little, an 

13   act to amend the Penal Law; 

14                Senate 7531B, by Senator Ritchie, an 

15   act to amend the Executive Law; and

16                Senate 7976, by Senator Murphy, an 

17   act to amend the Penal Law.

18                All bills reported direct to third 

19   reading.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

21   DeFrancisco.

22                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I move to 

23   accept the report of the Rules Committee.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   All in 

25   favor of accepting the Committee on Rules report 


                                                               2221

 1   signify by saying aye.

 2                (Response of "Aye.")

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Opposed?  

 4                (No response.)

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

 6   Rules Committee report is accepted and before the 

 7   house.

 8                Senator DeFrancisco.

 9                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, can we 

10   now take up the noncontroversial reading of the 

11   calendar.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

13   Secretary will read.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 96, 

15   substituted earlier by Member of the Assembly 

16   Paulin, Assembly Print 8288B, an act to amend the 

17   Public Service Law.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

19   last section.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

21   act shall take effect immediately.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

23   roll.

24                (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 


                                                               2222

 1   Krueger to explain her vote.

 2                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you, 

 3   Mr. President.

 4                So some people might see this bill 

 5   as an anti-environmental bill, but I don't agree.  

 6   I am voting for this bill because I support 

 7   transparency in almost anything imaginable, 

 8   including understanding our utility bills.  

 9                The reason I say some people might 

10   incorrectly think this is somehow 

11   anti-environmental is I think because they think 

12   it's going to show that moving to REV-standard 

13   sustainable energy will actually increase the 

14   cost for people.  But in fact I'm quite sure, 

15   based on the science and even the financial 

16   institutions analysis, that the expense and costs 

17   of environmentally sound sustainable energy are 

18   plummeting as we speak.  And as we expand it, it 

19   even decreases the prices for moving to renewable 

20   energy standards.  

21                So I actually think that ultimately, 

22   and pretty quickly, this bill will show 

23   ratepayers that because we're moving to 

24   sustainable energy, their utility costs are going 

25   down, and that is a win.  And so we'll have 


                                                               2223

 1   transparency and then we'll be able to see that 

 2   moving as quickly as possible to environmentally 

 3   sustainable energy is good public policy and good 

 4   for our pocketbooks.  

 5                I vote yes.  Thank you, 

 6   Mr. President.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

 8   Krueger to be recorded in the affirmative.

 9                Announce the results.

10                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

12   is passed.

13                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

14   152, substituted earlier by Member of the 

15   Assembly Englebright, Assembly Print 7178, an act 

16   to amend the Executive Law.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

18   last section.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

20   act shall take effect immediately.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

22   roll.

23                (The Secretary called the roll.)

24                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 


                                                               2224

 1   is passed.

 2                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 3   247, by Senator Amedore, Senate Print 898A, an 

 4   act to amend the Mental Hygiene Law.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

 6   last section.

 7                THE SECRETARY:   Section 6.  This 

 8   act shall take effect immediately.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

10   roll.

11                (The Secretary called the roll.)

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

13   Krueger to explain her vote.

14                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you, 

15   Mr. President.

16                I'm voting no on this bill.  I went 

17   back and forth until someone pointed out to me 

18   that this bill, which would provide for OASAS to 

19   be able to contract with for-profit substance 

20   abuse providers -- that in this bill language it 

21   actually removes language that is required of 

22   not-for-profit substance abuse providers, where 

23   they would have the right to turn people away and 

24   they would not actually have to meet the same 

25   standards as are required in other OASAS 


                                                               2225

 1   contracts for non-for-profit providers.  

 2                So while I'm not ultimately opposed 

 3   to a bill that would treat for-profit substance 

 4   abuse providers on the same playing fields as we 

 5   have for not-for-profit providers, this bill 

 6   actually would allow them some special exemptions 

 7   from existing law that I don't think are good 

 8   public policy.

 9                So somebody hands me a different 

10   bill at a different time, I might change my vote, 

11   but I'm no for today.

12                Thank you, Mr. President.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

14   Krueger to be recorded in the negative.

15                Announce the results.

16                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

17   Calendar 247, those recorded in the negative are 

18   Senators Alcantara, Brooks, Hamilton, Hoylman, 

19   Krueger, Montgomery, Persaud, Sanders and Savino.  

20   Also Senator Bailey.  Also Senator Rivera.

21                Ayes, 51.  Nays, 11.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

23   is passed.

24                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

25   273, by Senator Comrie, Senate Print 6497A, an 


                                                               2226

 1   act to authorizing.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

 3   last section.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 5   act shall take effect immediately.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

 7   roll.

 8                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 9                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

10   Calendar 273, those recorded in the negative are 

11   Senators Akshar, Bonacic, Helming, O'Mara, Ortt 

12   and Ranzenhofer.  

13                Ayes, 56.  Nays, 6.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

15   is passed.

16                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

17   307, by Senator Ranzenhofer, Senate Print 3025, 

18   an act to amend the Environmental Conservation 

19   Law.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

21   last section.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

23   act shall take effect immediately.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

25   roll.


                                                               2227

 1                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 2                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 3   Calendar 307, those recorded in the negative are 

 4   Senators Hoylman, Krueger, Rivera and Serrano.  

 5                Ayes, 58.  Nays, 4.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 7   is passed.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 9   313, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 6853A, 

10   an act -- 

11                SENATOR KLEIN:   Lay the bill aside.  

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Lay it 

13   aside.  

14                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

15   324, substituted earlier by Member of the 

16   Assembly Braunstein, Assembly Print 8003, an act 

17   to amend the Estates, Powers and Trusts Law.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

19   last section.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

21   act shall take effect immediately.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

23   roll.

24                (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.


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 1                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 2   is passed.

 3                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 4   392, by Senator Little, Senate Print 1672, an act 

 5   to amend the Real Property Tax Law.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

 7   last section.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 9   act shall take effect on the first of January.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

11   roll.

12                (The Secretary called the roll.)

13                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

15   is passed.

16                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

17   482, by Senator Serino, Senate Print 6083A, an 

18   act to amend the Tax Law.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

20   last section.

21                THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

22   act shall take effect immediately.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

24   roll.

25                (The Secretary called the roll.)


                                                               2229

 1                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 3   is passed.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 5   494, substituted earlier by Member of the 

 6   Assembly Paulin, Assembly Print 62A, an act to 

 7   amend the Agriculture and Markets Law.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

 9   last section.

10                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

11   act shall take effect immediately.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

13   roll.

14                (The Secretary called the roll.)

15                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

17   is passed.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

19   515, by Senator Addabbo, Senate Print 3072, an 

20   act to amend the General Business Law.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

22   last section.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

24   act shall take effect on the 60th day.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 


                                                               2230

 1   roll.

 2                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 3                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 5   is passed.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 7   532, substituted earlier by Member of the 

 8   Assembly Glick, Assembly Print 10065, an act to 

 9   amend Chapter 192 of the Laws of 2011.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

11   last section.

12                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

13   act shall take effect immediately.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

15   roll.

16                (The Secretary called the roll.)

17                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

19   is passed.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

21   600, by Senator Griffo, Senate Print 6756A, an 

22   act to amend the General Business Law.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

24   last section.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Section 9.  This 


                                                               2231

 1   act shall take effect on the 180th day.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

 3   roll.

 4                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 7   is passed.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 9   615, by Senator Murphy, Senate Print 7737, an act 

10   to amend the Public Buildings Law.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

12   last section.

13                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

14   act shall take effect immediately.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

16   roll.

17                (The Secretary called the roll.)

18                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

20   is passed.

21                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

22   757, by Senator Larkin, Senate Print 2389, an act 

23   to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

25   last section.


                                                               2232

 1                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 2   act shall take effect immediately.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

 4   roll.

 5                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 8   is passed.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

10   789, by Senator Funke, Senate Print 4007A, an act 

11   to amend the State Finance Law.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

13   last section.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

15   act shall take effect on the 180th day.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

17   roll.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

20   is passed.

21                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

22   801, by Senator Golden, Senate Print 7440A, an 

23   act in relation to.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

25   last section.


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 1                THE SECRETARY:   Section 10.  This 

 2   act shall take effect immediately.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

 4   roll.

 5                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 8   is passed.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

10   803, by Senator Bonacic, Senate Print 7715, an 

11   act in relation to.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

13   last section.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Section 7.  This 

15   act shall take effect immediately.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

17   roll.

18                (The Secretary called the roll.)

19                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 62.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

21   is passed.

22                Senator DeFrancisco, that completes 

23   the noncontroversial reading of today's 

24   active-list calendar.

25                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Would you 


                                                               2234

 1   please take up the controversial reading.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

 3   Secretary will ring the bell.

 4                The Secretary will read.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 6   313, by Senator DeFrancisco, Senate Print 6853A, 

 7   an act to amend the Environmental Conservation 

 8   Law.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

10   Krueger.

11                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you.

12                If through you, Mr. President, the 

13   sponsor would please yield for some questions.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

15   DeFrancisco, do you yield?  

16                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes.

17                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you.

18                So my understanding is this bill 

19   would allow the Department of Environmental 

20   Conservation to permit certain people to hunt 

21   certain animals when it's not officially hunting 

22   season.  Could you clarify for me under what 

23   circumstances DEC would be approving these 

24   people?  

25                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   This has 


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 1   nothing to do with a hunting permit.  This 

 2   happens to be a bill that's trying to rectify a 

 3   situation, primarily in the rural areas, where 

 4   the deer population is so extensive that it is 

 5   causing accidents, both causing personal injury 

 6   and property damage.

 7                This is not to try to get people 

 8   with hunting licenses outside of the specific 

 9   hunting seasons.  Basically, it's a way to cull 

10   the deer population where needed.

11                Now, Senator Persaud is an expert on 

12   this, because she learned the other day in Bible 

13   class that one of our members that shows up has 

14   actually hit six deer.  And that's in a much more 

15   rural area than our area in Central New York.

16                But even in the City of Syracuse -- 

17   a sanctuary city, the City of Syracuse -- people 

18   in the City of Syracuse are calling for culling 

19   of the deer population.

20                So what this bill does, what this 

21   bill does is in the past the DEC was authorizing 

22   these permits, but someone read the statute more 

23   carefully and found that they couldn't authorize 

24   these type of permits.  So we're putting the 

25   authority back to the DEC legally to issue the 


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 1   permits they were doing before.

 2                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Through you, 

 3   Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

 4   yield.

 5                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

 7   sponsor yields.

 8                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you.  I 

 9   appreciate the sponsor's answer.  

10                And yes, I don't think I was 

11   confused about giving permits; rather, expanding 

12   who could take wildlife in nonhunting season.  

13   And he clarified the reasons DEC would want to do 

14   this.  

15                But in addition, this bill expands 

16   certain activities that are not currently allowed 

17   hunters I think anywhere.  

18                So through you, Mr. President, if 

19   the sponsor would explain why his bill would 

20   allow you to shoot across a highway.

21                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Where does it 

22   say that?

23                SENATOR KRUEGER:   One second.

24                Section 4, paragraph 2 -- no, excuse 

25   me, Section 4, paragraph 1.  "Discharge of 


                                                               2237

 1   firearm, crossbow or longbow in such a way as 

 2   will result in the load, bolt or arrow thereof 

 3   passing over a public highway."

 4                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   This is a 

 5   process by which the applicant would have to get 

 6   authority from the DEC, and would only have the 

 7   authority as was issued by the permit.

 8                If it was a high-populated area or 

 9   if you're not in some county that no one passes 

10   the highway during hours from 3:00 in the morning 

11   to 6:00 in the morning, it gives the DEC the 

12   authority to do it.  But obviously we would 

13   assume that the DEC has enough sense that it only 

14   would give the authority to provide -- to cull 

15   the deer under circumstances that would be safe 

16   to the public.

17                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Through you, 

18   Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

19   yield.

20                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

22   sponsor yields.

23                SENATOR KRUEGER:   So this bill 

24   would give authority by DEC to individuals, and 

25   then the individuals would be allowed to do 


                                                               2238

 1   whatever is allowed under this bill.

 2                So it would not be DEC says to John 

 3   DeFrancisco, you're a sharpshooter; you can shoot 

 4   across highways.  Liz Krueger, you're a lousy 

 5   shot, you can't shoot across highways.  

 6                Am I reading that correct, that we 

 7   would both get about the same authority whether 

 8   or not either of us had proved we were pretty 

 9   good at not shooting at cars as we were shooting 

10   across a highway?  

11                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Well, first 

12   of all, to clarify that point, when I got my 

13   carry permit I went with my son to a target range 

14   and he discharged his handgun all in the chest 

15   area.  When I got my turn, I discharged my gun, 

16   and when you looked at the target it was all in 

17   the groin area.  

18                (Laughter.)

19                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Even though 

20   that hurts -- and that's a true story -- it 

21   doesn't show that I'm a sharpshooter at all.  The 

22   DEC is going to have to make the determinations 

23   as to each person who should be given that 

24   responsibility.  

25                And it's not like individuals are 


                                                               2239

 1   going to the DEC.  For example, in my county, the 

 2   Town of DeWitt has been trying like crazy to get 

 3   a permit to get professional sharpshooters to 

 4   cull the deer so that they're not traveling over 

 5   city highways and highways just outside of the 

 6   city.

 7                So the DEC, I have full faith in 

 8   them.  And it's not to create any harm to others, 

 9   and that they would restrict the permits 

10   depending upon who they gave the authority.

11                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Through you, 

12   Mr. President, if the sponsor would continue to 

13   yield.

14                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

16   sponsor yields.

17                SENATOR KRUEGER:   This bill does 

18   not apply to New York City.  Why is that?  

19                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Because you 

20   would oppose it.  

21                (Laughter.)

22                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Through you, 

23   Mr. President, the sponsor is indeed correct.  

24   But I'm opposing it everywhere else also.

25                Through you, Mr. President, if the 


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 1   sponsor would continue to yield.

 2                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   No, the 

 3   serious answer is that the upstate counties were 

 4   asking for this authority, and the DEC was 

 5   previously giving this authority but then they 

 6   found the language wasn't right in the bill, so 

 7   we're correcting that.  

 8                The original regulations did not say 

 9   anything about New York City.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

11   sponsor continues to yield.

12                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you.  

13                There's also a section of the 

14   bill -- Section 4, paragraph 2 -- which actually 

15   defines the distance from structures where people 

16   might be -- homes, schools, churches, other 

17   public structures.  And it shortens the distance 

18   you can be from those structures compared to 

19   other hunting bills.

20                Again, why would we feel a need to 

21   allow hunting closer to buildings and structures 

22   where we know people are?

23                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Again, this 

24   is not hunting.  This is an activity to try to 

25   make the communities safe and not hit deer and 


                                                               2241

 1   not have people veering off the highway to miss a 

 2   deer and end up killing themselves.  

 3                So this isn't hunting, this is a 

 4   necessary activity that is being done.  And in 

 5   the past, as I said, the DEC was routinely 

 6   providing these permits until they found out that 

 7   it wasn't broad enough and they needed more 

 8   flexibility.

 9                So this has been vetted with the 

10   DEC, and we believe it's a reasonable bill to 

11   balance the safety of individuals, whether 

12   they're in the line of a shot going to a deer or 

13   just trying to avoid a deer, and to provide safer 

14   roads as well.

15                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Through you, 

16   Mr. President, on the bill.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

18   Krueger on the bill.

19                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you.  

20                I appreciate the sponsor's answers.

21                I'm not actually opposed to DEC 

22   saying because of overpopulation there may be 

23   public health reasons or public vehicle or 

24   private vehicle reasons to want to cull the 

25   quantity of animals.  I certainly hear about 


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 1   those issues on behalf of farmers and other 

 2   people who have come in contact with deer and 

 3   other large animals on the highways.

 4                What I specifically object to is 

 5   this bill incorporates into it proposals I've 

 6   seen in other bills that have come on this floor 

 7   which expand the places and the ways that people 

 8   can hunt beyond existing law.

 9                So yes, it's not hunting as a sport, 

10   it's hunting for DEC purposes.  I get that, and 

11   don't have a problem.

12                Yes, it's not an expanded season for 

13   permits.  Rather, it's DEC saying:  X, Y and Z, 

14   you can help us reduce the population in certain 

15   areas certain times of the year.  I get that.

16                What I can't support and I don't 

17   think this state should allow to become law in 

18   the state is the concept where you can shoot 

19   across a highway to hit an animal.  Because 

20   frankly, being confident that cars aren't coming 

21   and going in either or both directions, 

22   particularly referencing the sponsor's answer -- 

23   but it could be very early in the morning or late 

24   in the evening, where your likelihood of actually 

25   seeing vehicles, particularly at dusk, are the 


                                                               2243

 1   worst time to possibly be near a highway shooting 

 2   across it.  

 3                While it's terrible when somebody 

 4   hits a deer with their car and does damage, it 

 5   would also be terrible to be shot by someone who 

 6   thought they were aiming at a deer but you were 

 7   driving through between them and the deer.

 8                The same response from me as to why 

 9   I'll vote no on this bill is there's common sense 

10   about how close hunters should be allowed to 

11   shoot dangerous guns and crossbows and other 

12   weapons near where people live and work and play.  

13   And the concept that a small child not wearing 

14   any kind of I.D. and perhaps being the height of 

15   a deer could be running around in the backyard -- 

16   which might be wooded in, so the DEC person would 

17   be there thinking they were culling animals, but 

18   it's that close to a home or a school where 

19   children are playing or someone's going and 

20   chopping down the tree in their backyard.  I do 

21   not think it is good public policy to reduce the 

22   distance.

23                And I think if you're culling herds, 

24   somebody can -- excuse me -- urge the deer to 

25   move 500 feet away before they shoot them.  Or 


                                                               2244

 1   across the highway to shoot at the deer rather 

 2   than across the highway.

 3                So those are the reasons that I urge 

 4   a no vote.  It's for human safety, which I think 

 5   should actually rate higher than the DEC's goal 

 6   of being able to take control of perhaps 

 7   overproduction of certain animals in certain 

 8   parts of the state.

 9                So I would urge DEC to revise this 

10   bill and bring it back to the Legislature.  And 

11   I'll be voting no.

12                Thank you, Mr. President.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Seeing 

14   and hearing no other Senator that wishes to be 

15   heard, debate is closed -- Senator Funke.

16                SENATOR FUNKE:   Thank you, 

17   Mr. President.  On the bill.  

18                I want to thank Senator DeFrancisco 

19   for bringing this legislation forward.  

20                Those of us who live upstate have 

21   seen an explosion in the deer population of 

22   incredible magnitude.  I live in a typical 

23   suburban house in Perinton, New York, and counted 

24   12 deer in my front yard just yesterday.  

25                They eat everything, including the 


                                                               2245

 1   shingles on your house.  It's becoming a 

 2   problem -- not only a problem for homeowners, but 

 3   it's becoming a safety issue for sure for young 

 4   people who drive in the neighborhood and so on.

 5                For the DEC, we're talking about 

 6   professionals here.  We're not talking about your 

 7   average run-of-the-mill hunter, we're talking 

 8   about hiring professionals to cull the deer 

 9   population.  It's absolutely something that needs 

10   to happen in upstate New York in particular.  

11                And I just want to thank Senator 

12   DeFrancisco for recognizing the problem, as so 

13   many other communities have.  And I vote aye.

14                Thank you, Mr. President.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Seeing 

16   and hearing no other Senator that wishes to be 

17   heard, debate is -- Senator Lanza.

18                SENATOR LANZA:   I'm sorry, 

19   Mr. President, I couldn't let the moment pass.

20                So New York City has a very 

21   interesting and creative solution to this 

22   problem, which ignores a lot of the safety 

23   concerns that I just heard from my colleague 

24   Senator Krueger.  

25                So on Staten Island, the upstate of 


                                                               2246

 1   New York City, we have a deer problem.  We have a 

 2   lot of deer.  But it's not as open and as 

 3   expansive as the rest of New York State.  In 

 4   fact, we have 550,000 people crammed in on 

 5   Staten Island.  We have some open spaces, sure, 

 6   but they're never too far from schools and young, 

 7   short children.  

 8                And so here's New York City's 

 9   wonderful solution to the deer so-called problem 

10   on Staten Island -- the only place really that 

11   still has open spaces and green areas, because we 

12   on Staten Island really love the environment and 

13   protect it I think in a way that is better than 

14   most other places around the city.

15                So here's what they're doing.  

16   They've spent $4 million to date.  They have 

17   people with high-powered rifles going into 

18   neighborhoods on Staten Island.  They bait the 

19   deer -- they put these huge piles of corn and 

20   they lure the deer in.  And then they shoot the 

21   deer -- never more than a few hundred feet from 

22   young children running around without tags and 

23   without signs on them saying "I'm a young child, 

24   don't shoot me."  

25                And they dart these deer, they put 


                                                               2247

 1   them under, and they give them a vasectomy.

 2                (Laughter.)

 3                SENATOR LANZA:   That's what 

 4   New York City has spent $4 million doing over the 

 5   last two years.  They give these deer 

 6   vasectomies.

 7                Now, sadly, what ends up happening 

 8   is about 30 percent of these deer, after this 

 9   procedure -- because I'm sure they hired the 

10   best, in New York City, vasectomy-ologists -- 

11                (Laughter.)

12                SENATOR LANZA:   -- about 30 percent 

13   of them are soon found to be dead.  And it's sad, 

14   and it's tragic.  And none of that meat goes to 

15   soup kitchens, goes to the needy, it's just 

16   wasted.  In fact, they litter the sides of the 

17   road minutes after they're given these 

18   vasectomies.

19                So to my colleagues upstate, you 

20   might want to consider something like that -- or 

21   not, because it's ridiculous.  

22                I vote aye.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Now 

24   seeing no one that wishes -- Senator Savino.

25                SENATOR SAVINO:   Thank you, 


                                                               2248

 1   Mr. President.  

 2                I just want to add to the insanity 

 3   of the New York City plan.  Thank you, Senator 

 4   Lanza, for describing just how ridiculous it is.  

 5                Not only are they shooting them, 

 6   they are tranquilizing them, they are performing 

 7   vasectomies on them.  But the problem with the 

 8   vasectomies is even if they survive this, it 

 9   doesn't prevent the female deer from going into 

10   heat.  And so they are running around now in 

11   heat, and the stags are still rutting, although 

12   they're not able to impregnate the deer.  And so 

13   we have deer running around, in heat, crazy and 

14   frustrated.  

15                (Laughter.)

16                SENATOR SAVINO:   So I don't know 

17   what the solution is, but I can tell you this:  

18   The Department of Environmental Conservation 

19   doesn't know either.  So I'm going to vote for 

20   this bill --

21                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

22   DeFrancisco, why do you rise?

23                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Would Senator 

24   Savino -- 

25                SENATOR SAVINO:   -- I'm voting for 


                                                               2249

 1   this bill because we certainly need solutions.  

 2   Thank you.  

 3                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Would Senator 

 4   Savino suffer a question?  

 5                SENATOR SAVINO:   Sure.

 6                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   I'm wondering 

 7   whether Staten Island would be interested if the 

 8   state distributed condoms.  

 9                (Laughter.)

10                SENATOR SAVINO:   At this point I 

11   think we would try just about anything to deal 

12   with our deer problem.  

13                Thank you, Mr. President.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

15   debate is closed.  

16                The Secretary will ring the bell.

17                Read the last section.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

19   act shall take effect immediately.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

21   roll.

22                (The Secretary called the roll.)

23                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

24   Hoylman to explain his vote.

25                SENATOR HOYLMAN:   Thank you, 


                                                               2250

 1   Mr. President.

 2                I just wanted to point out that just 

 3   last month we voted on a bill -- and passed -- 

 4   S7813A, that would define discharging a firearm 

 5   within a thousand feet of a school as a 

 6   terroristic threat.  And now today, with this 

 7   bill, we are eliminating the 500-foot rule when 

 8   it comes to public schools and the discharge of 

 9   firearms altogether.

10                I think that is sending a bad 

11   message, and I'll be voting in the negative.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

13   Hoylman to be recorded in the negative.

14                Senator DeFrancisco to explain his 

15   vote.

16                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, I just 

17   want to mention another point that I forgot.  The 

18   sponsor in the Assembly is Pamela Hunter, who 

19   lives in the City of Syracuse, on the east side 

20   of the City of Syracuse, and they're having a 

21   huge problem with the deer population.

22                We had a little fun with this bill, 

23   but on the other hand, this is an important thing 

24   that has to be done in order to provide safety to 

25   the residents of the state.


                                                               2251

 1                Again, this is not a willy-nilly 

 2   situation where you're just -- anybody can go 

 3   around and shoot a gun anywhere they want to 

 4   or -- they've got to have approval from the DEC.  

 5                And as Senator Funke mentioned, 

 6   these are people that are professionals that are 

 7   doing this.  It's a necessary thing that has to 

 8   be done in certain communities.  

 9                So I vote aye.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

11   DeFrancisco to be recorded in the affirmative.

12                Announce the results.

13                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

14   Calendar 313, those recorded in the negative are 

15   Senators Addabbo, Alcantara, Avella, Benjamin, 

16   Boyle, Brooks, Gianaris, Hamilton, Hoylman, 

17   Kaminsky, Kavanagh, Kennedy, Krueger, Mayer, 

18   Montgomery, Parker, Rivera, Sepúlveda, Serrano, 

19   Stavisky, Stewart-Cousins.  Also Senator Bailey.  

20   Also Senator Persaud.  Also Senator Sanders.  

21                Ayes, 39.  Nays, 24.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

23   is passed.

24                Senator DeFrancisco, that completes 

25   the controversial reading of today's active list.


                                                               2252

 1                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   There's a 

 2   Senate supplemental calendar which are some of 

 3   the bills that were the subject of the 

 4   Rules Committee meeting.  It's Calendar Number 

 5   36A.  Could we have the noncontroversial reading 

 6   of that calendar.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

 8   Secretary will take up the noncontroversial 

 9   reading of Senate Calendar 36A.

10                Senator DeFrancisco.

11                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes, can we 

12   take them up one at a time.  

13                The first will be -- please call up 

14   857.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

16   Secretary will read.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

18   857, by Senator Boyle, Senate Print 623, an act 

19   to amend the Penal Law.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

21   last section.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

23   act shall take effect on the first of November.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

25   roll.


                                                               2253

 1                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Announce 

 3   the results.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 5   Calendar 857, those recorded in the negative are 

 6   Senators Benjamin, Hamilton, Hoylman, Kavanagh, 

 7   Krueger, Montgomery, Parker and Sanders.  Also 

 8   Senators Alcantara and Sepúlveda.  Also 

 9   Senator Rivera.

10                Ayes, 52.  Nays, 11.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

12   is passed.

13                Senator DeFrancisco.

14                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Can we now 

15   take up 858, please.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

17   Secretary will read.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

19   858, by Senator Boyle, Senate Print 638, an act 

20   to amend the Penal Law.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

22   last section.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

24   act shall take effect on the 90th day.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 


                                                               2254

 1   roll.

 2                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Announce 

 4   the results.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 6   Calendar 858, those recorded in the negative are 

 7   Senators Alcantara, Bailey, Benjamin, Comrie, 

 8   Dilan, Gianaris, Hoylman, Kavanagh, Krueger, 

 9   Montgomery, Parker, Persaud, Rivera, Sanders, 

10   Sepúlveda and Serrano.

11                Ayes, 47.  Nays, 16.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

13   is passed.

14                Senator DeFrancisco.

15                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Will you 

16   please take up Calendar 859, please.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

18   Secretary will read.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

20   859, by Senator Funke, Senate Print 816, an act 

21   to amend the Public Health Law.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

23   last section.

24                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

25   act shall take effect on the 90th day.


                                                               2255

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

 2   roll.

 3                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 6   is passed.

 7                Senator DeFrancisco.

 8                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Please take 

 9   up 860.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

11   Secretary will read.

12                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

13   860, by Senator Ortt, Senate Print 880, an act to 

14   amend the Penal Law.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

16   last section.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Section 6.  This 

18   act shall take effect on the first of November.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

20   roll.

21                (The Secretary called the roll.)

22                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Announce 

23   the results.

24                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

25   Calendar 860, those recorded in the negative are 


                                                               2256

 1   Senators Alcantara, Bailey, Benjamin, Comrie, 

 2   Dilan, Gianaris, Hoylman, Kavanagh, Krueger, 

 3   Montgomery, Parker, Persaud, Rivera, Sanders, 

 4   Sepúlveda and Serrano.  Also Senator Hamilton.  

 5   Also Senator Stavisky.  

 6                Ayes, 45.  Nays, 18.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 8   is passed.

 9                Senator DeFrancisco.

10                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Please take 

11   up Calendar 862.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

13   Secretary will read.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

15   862, by Senator Akshar, Senate Print 1127, an act 

16   to amend the Penal Law.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

18   last section.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

20   act shall take effect on the first of November.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

22   roll.

23                (The Secretary called the roll.)

24                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

25   Akshar to explain his vote.


                                                               2257

 1                SENATOR AKSHAR:   Mr. President, 

 2   thank you for your indulgence.  I rise to explain 

 3   my vote.

 4                We're taking up a series of bills 

 5   related to the heroin and opioid epidemic.  And 

 6   I'm sitting here scratching my head watching some 

 7   of my esteemed colleagues.  

 8                I would remind everybody that the 

 9   Department of Health recently reported that over 

10   the last five years, overdose deaths have doubled 

11   across this great state.  So just for a moment -- 

12   everybody stay with me -- let's agree that we 

13   have to do something and this is probably one of 

14   the most pervasive issues plaguing communities 

15   across this great state, whether you are in 

16   Binghamton, Buffalo or Brooklyn.  

17                I have said this since the moment I 

18   walked into this city, that dealing with this 

19   particular issue is a nonpartisan issue.  We 

20   should truly be acting, and we should be acting 

21   now.

22                Today, as we have in the past, we're 

23   putting forth a comprehensive package of bills 

24   that deals with this issue.  And I would note 

25   that the bills that we're putting forth, we 


                                                               2258

 1   didn't arrive at these bills by a bunch of 

 2   bureaucrats sitting in a room collectively 

 3   together.  We traveled this state, and we 

 4   listened to the people who were fighting this 

 5   epidemic on the front line.  

 6                We're taking a comprehensive 

 7   approach, dealing with education, prevention, 

 8   treatment, recovery and yes, my friends, 

 9   enforcement.  Enforcement is an important piece 

10   in all of this.

11                And I say this with the utmost 

12   respect.  We really need leaders in this house 

13   and in the other house to wake up.  I would 

14   respectfully offer that we should stop playing 

15   politics with people's lives, and we should all 

16   collectively be helping drive drug dealers out of 

17   our communities.  Collectively we should be 

18   helping make access to poison harder, not easier.

19                Our constituents depend on us to 

20   show a little leadership on this particular 

21   issue.  It would benefit everybody that we 

22   represent.

23                So as we move forward in dealing 

24   with these bills today and in the days that come, 

25   I would challenge both our friends in the 


                                                               2259

 1   Assembly and all of us in this house to put 

 2   people before politics when we deal with this 

 3   particular issue.  

 4                If you can't do that, if you can't 

 5   put the people of this great state before 

 6   politics, then I have another challenge for you.  

 7   I challenge you to all go back to your district, 

 8   look your constituents in the eyes and tell them 

 9   that you had a chance to do more, but you chose 

10   not to.  You chose to put people who side with 

11   the peddlers of poison before protecting our 

12   children.  

13                Mr. President, I vote aye.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

15   Akshar to be recorded in the affirmative.

16                Senator Krueger to explain her vote.

17                SENATOR KRUEGER:   Thank you, 

18   Mr. President.

19                I'm voting no on this bill for 

20   specific reasons, but I voted no on quite a few 

21   of the others and I think I have several other 

22   nos to go.

23                People who lived in this state 

24   through drug epidemics in the past and the 

25   creation of the Rockefeller Drug Laws learned 


                                                               2260

 1   that there seemed to be no correlation between 

 2   people abusing dangerous drugs and the numbers of 

 3   years that you were throwing people in prison 

 4   because they had a drug problem themselves that 

 5   also overlapped perhaps with selling the drug.  

 6   All it did was fill our prisons up and leave us 

 7   with peoples's lives ruined forever, when perhaps 

 8   what they needed was the education and the 

 9   treatment and an alternative.

10                I don't think it's politics that 

11   have some of us voting yes and some of us voting 

12   no.  We all don't want anyone to be addicted to 

13   drugs that do them damage, that end up killing 

14   themselves.  We also should all recognize the 

15   correlation between having the drug addiction and 

16   ending up potentially involved in the sale of 

17   drugs.  

18                And hopefully, if we go back and 

19   revisit the 35 years of studies and data and 

20   analysis of what we wasted during the Rockefeller 

21   drug era, we might recognize that repeating the 

22   mistakes of the past won't solve today's 

23   problems, won't save lives, but may put us back 

24   to having a discussion again, 30 years into the 

25   future, why did we do in 2018 that which we knew 


                                                               2261

 1   didn't work in the '80s, '90s and '00s?  

 2                So yes, I'm voting no.  I can go 

 3   home and explain that.  We all don't want anyone 

 4   dying of drugs, addicted to drugs.  But we also, 

 5   as my colleague just said, we need to be smart 

 6   about the policies we put in place and not 

 7   knee-jerk assume just increasing penalties and 

 8   putting people in jail with no judicial 

 9   discretion for 15, 18, 25 years to life, without 

10   thinking through cause and effect -- that those 

11   are not the right answers for the State of 

12   New York, and they won't solve the problem.  

13                Mr. President, I vote no.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

15   Krueger to be recorded in the negative.

16                Senator Robach to explain his vote.

17                SENATOR ROBACH:  You can go -- go 

18   with Bailey.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:  Senator 

20   Bailey to explain his vote.

21                SENATOR BAILEY:   Thank you, 

22   Mr. President.  

23                This is an interesting conversation 

24   we're having today, or isn't it.  On Saturday, at 

25   oddly enough my opioid awareness event, my 


                                                               2262

 1   constituents asked me where was the state for the 

 2   last 25 years when people in my community were 

 3   dying.  Where were they?  Where was this passion 

 4   that it was a health problem when I was going to 

 5   school, walking around people that were called 

 6   junkies and dope fiends?  

 7                Now they're called addicts.  And it 

 8   should be a health awareness problem, 

 9   Mr. President.  And to my colleagues, that's what 

10   it always should have been.  But let's be very 

11   clear and let's be fair about what's happening 

12   now and what wasn't happening back then.  

13                So I can and I will go proudly back 

14   to my community and say, This is what I'm doing 

15   for you.  This is how I represent you.  

16                And oddly enough, I'm actually up on 

17   this bill.  This isn't a bill that I have a 

18   problem with.  But the idea that this opioid 

19   crisis all of a sudden just popped up is 

20   something I have a problem with.  

21                And -- anticlimactic, but I do vote 

22   aye, Mr. President.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

24   Bailey to be recorded in the affirmative.

25                Senator Robach.  Senator Robach 


                                                               2263

 1   would like to explain his vote.

 2                SENATOR ROBACH:   Yeah, 

 3   Mr. President, I vote to support this bill.  This 

 4   is an interesting one.  And much of what 

 5   everybody's saying is true.  

 6                Though I would applaud everybody in 

 7   the chamber, because we've done a lot of bills 

 8   over the time or through the budget to add more 

 9   money for treatment, to cover long-term care, to 

10   do Narcan, to do I-STOP, to do things.

11                So it isn't new.  I guess I'm going 

12   to date myself as one of the older people in the 

13   chamber, and I remember fairly early in my career 

14   when I started working for the Department of 

15   Public Safety -- again, if you found heroin on 

16   the street that was 15 percent, it was high.  

17   What people are selling now, and who they're 

18   preying on, they're not users.  They're making 

19   money.  

20                We have a gentleman, again, who's 

21   selling straight carfentanil for $18.  He knows 

22   he's probably going to kill you.  Yet he's out 

23   there doing it and preying on this.

24                So I happen to think -- I support 

25   Senator Akshar's bill, I supported Senator 


                                                               2264

 1   Amedore's bill.  I do think we have to continue 

 2   the multipronged approach of treating the people 

 3   that need it.  But I think this is very different 

 4   than users supporting their habit.  I think we 

 5   have people literally selling death who need to 

 6   have the penalty fit the crime.  

 7                So I wholeheartedly support 

 8   Senator Akshar's bill and hope that we'll all 

 9   continue to look at the wide range of ways we can 

10   stop this.  Because with all the work and the 

11   money we've spent, we almost seem to be going in 

12   the wrong direction.  Without Narcan, the amount 

13   of people being killed in every one of our 

14   communities would be astronomically high, and 

15   probably higher than any other disease.

16                So I want to applaud Senator Akshar, 

17   and I vote in the affirmative.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

19   Robach to be recorded in the affirmative.

20                Announce the results.

21                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

22   Calendar 862, those recorded in the negative are 

23   Senators Hoylman, Kavanagh, Krueger, Montgomery, 

24   Parker, Rivera, Sanders and Sepúlveda.

25                Ayes, 55.  Nays, 8.


                                                               2265

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 2   is passed.

 3                Senator DeFrancisco.

 4                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Please take 

 5   up Calendar 864.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

 7   Secretary will read.

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 9   864, by Senator Lanza, Senate Print 2639, an act 

10   to amend the Public Health Law.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

12   last section.

13                THE SECRETARY:   Section 5.  This 

14   act shall take effect immediately.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

16   roll.

17                (The Secretary called the roll.)

18                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

20   is passed.

21                Senator DeFrancisco.

22                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Please take 

23   up Calendar Number 866.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

25   Secretary will read.


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 1                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2   866, by Senator Hannon, Senate Print 2814, an act 

 3   to amend the Penal Law.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

 5   last section.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Section 10.  This 

 7   act shall take effect on the 90th day.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

 9   roll.

10                (The Secretary called the roll.)

11                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

13   is passed.

14                Senator DeFrancisco.

15                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Please take 

16   up 869.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

18   Secretary will read.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

20   869, by Senator Marchione, Senate Print 3845, an 

21   act to amend the Penal Law.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

23   last section.

24                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

25   act shall take effect on the 180th day.


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 1                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

 2   roll.

 3                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.  Nays, 3.  

 5   Senators Hoylman, Kavanagh and Krueger recorded 

 6   in the negative.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 8   is passed.

 9                Senator DeFrancisco.

10                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   And the last 

11   bill that we'll take up on the calendar is 

12   Calendar 874.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

14   Secretary will read.

15                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

16   874, by Senator Akshar, Senate Print 5949, an act 

17   to amend the Public Health Law.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Read the 

19   last section.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

21   act shall take effect on the 90th day.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Call the 

23   roll.

24                (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.


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 1                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The bill 

 2   is passed.

 3                Senator DeFrancisco, that completes 

 4   the noncontroversial reading of today's 

 5   supplemental active-list calendar.

 6                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Would you 

 7   please take up previously adopted Resolution 

 8   3531, by Senator Hannon.  And momentarily, would 

 9   you read the title only.

10                (Pause.)

11                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   The 

12   Secretary will read.

13                THE SECRETARY:   Legislative 

14   Resolution Number 3531, by Senator Hannon, 

15   memorializing Governor Andrew M. Cuomo to 

16   proclaim April 2018 as Organ and Tissue Donor 

17   Awareness Month in the State of New York, in 

18   conjunction with the observance of National 

19   Donate Life Month.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Senator 

21   Hannon on the resolution.

22                SENATOR HANNON:   Thank you, 

23   Mr. President.

24                Part of the balancing of interests 

25   in dealing with the healthcare system is dealing 


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 1   with so many different aspects of it at once.  

 2   One of the most important is why we're doing this 

 3   resolution today, so that we would further 

 4   encourage people to do transplantation to save 

 5   lives, to continue lives, to have a sense of 

 6   purpose for their own life -- living donation, 

 7   donation from cadavers.  That's why we pause 

 8   today.  

 9                We have all acted in this chamber to 

10   advance it by virtue of applications for driver's 

11   licenses and other things to make it permanent, 

12   all sides of the aisle.  And so I just urge the 

13   adoption of this resolution today.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   Thank 

15   you.  

16                Senator Carlucci.

17                SENATOR CARLUCCI:   Thank you, 

18   Mr. President.

19                I want to thank Senator Hannon and 

20   everyone for supporting this important resolution 

21   to proclaim April as Organ Donor Awareness Month.

22                Thanks to the advances in modern 

23   medicine, organ transplants can be performed at a 

24   level of safety and precision that just has never 

25   been possible until now.


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 1                And with that said, unfortunately in 

 2   the United States over 100,000 people are 

 3   currently waiting for an organ donation.  And 

 4   unfortunately, about 20 people pass away every 

 5   day waiting.  In fact, every 10 minutes, a new 

 6   person is added to the waiting list.

 7                And what's worse is that in New York 

 8   State, historically, we have lagged behind almost 

 9   every other state in the nation when it comes to 

10   the percentage of people enrolled in the Organ 

11   Donor Program.  And like Senator Hannon said, 

12   this chamber and advocates in New York State have 

13   started to turn that number around.

14                A few years ago I worked with a 

15   young lady named Lauren Shields, who was only 

16   9 years old when she received a heart transplant 

17   that saved her life.  We worked together, and we 

18   passed what we call Lauren's Law that requires 

19   people, when they're getting a driver's license 

20   or a nondriver I.D., to be asked the question 

21   "Would you like to be an organ donor, yes or skip 

22   the question."

23                I have another friend in Rockland 

24   County, Roxanne Watson, she lives in Nanuet.  She 

25   received a heart transplant a few years back.  


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 1   And since that time she has enrolled personally 

 2   over 10,000 people to become organ donors.  

 3                I mention these things because we 

 4   have made a difference.  And in fact, in New York 

 5   State we have doubled -- since that time that 

 6   Lauren's Law was passed, we have doubled the 

 7   percentage of people enrolled in the Organ Donor 

 8   Program.  We've gone from 14 percent to 

 9   28 percent.  We now have over 5 million people in 

10   New York State enrolled to be an organ donor.  

11                That means that we will save 

12   people's lives.  And that means that we have to 

13   continue to do everything that we can by speaking 

14   up about this important issue, but also by 

15   implementing important policy that will save 

16   people's lives.  

17                We're making a difference.  Let's 

18   continue to do that.  I want to thank everyone 

19   across this state and nation that has stepped up 

20   and has made a difference by signing people up to 

21   become organ donors.

22                Thank you, Mr. President.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   As 

24   indicated, the resolution was previously adopted 

25   in January of this year.  


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 1                Senator Hannon would like to open 

 2   the resolution up for cosponsorship.  Should you 

 3   choose to be a cosponsor, please notify the desk.

 4                Senator DeFrancisco.

 5                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   Yes.  Is 

 6   there any further business at the desk?

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   There is 

 8   no further business at the desk.

 9                SENATOR DeFRANCISCO:   There being 

10   none, I move to adjourn until Tuesday, May 1st, 

11   at 3:00 p.m.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT GRIFFO:   On 

13   motion, the Senate will stand adjourned until 

14   Tuesday, May 1st, at 3:00 p.m. 

15                The Senate stands adjourned.

16                (Whereupon, at 3:43 p.m., the Senate 

17   adjourned.)

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