Regular Session - March 12, 2019

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 1                NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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 4               THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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 9                  ALBANY, NEW YORK

10                   March 12, 2019

11                      4:20 p.m.

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14                   REGULAR SESSION

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18  SENATOR BRIAN A. BENJAMIN, Acting President

19  ALEJANDRA N. PAULINO, ESQ., Secretary

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 1                P R O C E E D I N G S

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 3   Senate will come to order.  

 4                I ask everyone present to please 

 5   rise and repeat with me the Pledge of Allegiance.

 6                (Whereupon, the assemblage recited 

 7   the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.)

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Rabbi 

 9   Adam Englander, of the Hebrew Academy of 

10   Long Beach, in Woodmere, will give today's 

11   invocation.  

12                Rabbi Englander.

13                RABBI ENGLANDER:   Our Father in 

14   heaven, guard and protect the members of this 

15   New York State Senate.  Instill within them the 

16   wisdom, courage, and moral clarity to faithfully 

17   represent the citizens of this state and provide 

18   them with the strong leadership that they 

19   deserve.  

20                May this body that treasures 

21   rigorous debate do so in a way that doesn't allow 

22   for divisiveness.  May they strive for and 

23   achieve unity without demanding uniformity.  May 

24   they continue to promote justice, peace, respect 

25   and understanding in a world where these virtues 


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 1   seem less common.  

 2                While I'm representing the Jewish 

 3   day school community and I'm here with Teach NYS 

 4   and 700 others from over 50 schools in the state, 

 5   we're advocating on behalf of all students in all 

 6   schools.  We hope that all of our children can 

 7   get a true 21st-century education so they can 

 8   better contribute to the world around them.  

 9                We hope that every parent should be 

10   able to send their children off to school in the 

11   morning knowing they will be safe.  This is 

12   especially true today with the scary rise of 

13   antisemitism, hatred and violence plaguing all 

14   schools.  

15                With feelings of incredible 

16   gratitude to Senate Majority Leader Andrea 

17   Stewart-Cousins, our own State Senator from 

18   Long Island, Todd Kaminsky, and all the members 

19   of this great chamber, may God bless us with the 

20   ability to continue to work in partnership for 

21   all that is good, righteous and just, and may we 

22   appreciate just how much we can accomplish 

23   together.  

24                And let us say amen.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 


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 1   reading of the Journal.

 2                THE SECRETARY:   In Senate, Monday, 

 3   March 11, 2019, the Senate met pursuant to 

 4   adjournment.  The Journal of Sunday, March 10, 

 5   2019, was read and approved.  On motion, Senate 

 6   adjourned.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Without 

 8   objection, the Journal stands approved as read.

 9                Presentation of petitions.

10                Messages from the Assembly.

11                Messages from the Governor.

12                Reports of standing committees.

13                Reports of select committees.

14                Communications and reports from 

15   state officers.

16                Motions and resolutions.

17                Senator Gianaris.

18                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

19   on behalf of Senator Addabbo, I wish to call up 

20   Senate Print 1978, recalled from the Assembly, 

21   which is now at the desk.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

23   Secretary will read.

24                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 63, 

25   Senate Print 1978, by Senator Addabbo, an act in 


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 1   relation to establishing a legislative task force 

 2   on responsible gaming.

 3                SENATOR GIANARIS:   I move to 

 4   reconsider the vote by which the bill was passed.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 6   Secretary will call the roll on reconsideration.

 7                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 8                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 59.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

10   bill is restored to its place on the Third 

11   Reading Calendar.

12                SENATOR GIANARIS:   I now offer the 

13   following amendments.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

15   amendments are received.

16                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Please call on 

17   Senator Griffo.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

19   Griffo.

20                SENATOR GRIFFO:   Mr. President, on 

21   behalf of Senator Ortt, I move that Senate Bill 

22   675 be discharged from its respective committee 

23   and be recommitted with instructions to strike 

24   the enacting clause.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   It is 


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 1   so ordered.

 2                Senator Gianaris.

 3                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, I 

 4   now move to adopt the Resolution Calendar, with 

 5   the exception of Resolution 649.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   All in 

 7   favor of adopting the Resolution Calendar, with 

 8   the exception of Resolution 649, please signify 

 9   by saying aye.

10                (Response of "Aye.")

11                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

12   Opposed, nay.

13                (No response.)

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

15   Resolution Calendar is adopted.

16                Senator Gianaris.

17                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

18   can we please now take up the resolution that was 

19   not adopted, 649, read that resolution title 

20   only, and recognize Senator Brooks.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

22   Secretary will read.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Senate Resolution 

24   649, by Senator Brooks, commemorating the 

25   100th anniversary of the United States Congress 


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 1   official charter of the American Legion on 

 2   September 16, 2019.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 4   Brooks on the resolution.

 5                SENATOR BROOKS:   Thank you, 

 6   Mr. President.

 7                Today we take time to honor and 

 8   recognize the 100th anniversary of the American 

 9   Legion.  

10                New York State played a critical 

11   role in the establishment of the American Legion.  

12   On March 15, 1919, in a meeting in Paris, France, 

13   20 individuals gathered, nine of them from the 

14   State of New York -- one of them, Lieutenant 

15   Colonel Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. -- and began the 

16   organization process of the American Legion.  On 

17   September 16, 1919, the Congress commissioned the 

18   American Legion.  

19                Today the American Legion is the 

20   world's largest veterans organization.  Its 

21   membership passes 2.2 million individuals, with 

22   almost 13,000 posts.  In New York State the 

23   membership is almost 100,000 members and over 

24   900 posts.  

25                The American Legion plays a critical 


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 1   role.  In 2018, the organization raised almost 

 2   $700,000 to be used for emergency funding, 

 3   provided over $1 million in scholarships, 

 4   provided $1.5 million VA hospitals and over a 

 5   million dollars for other charities.  In 

 6   addition, nearly 4 million were invested in 

 7   community service, $3.5 million in emergency aid, 

 8   and almost $900,000 to support troops.

 9                Just after the American Legion was 

10   first founded, they were instrumental in lobbying 

11   for the passage of the Servicemen's Retirement 

12   Act, the first version of the GI Bill.  They also 

13   lobbied for the creation of the U.S. Veterans 

14   Bureau, now known as Veterans Affairs.

15                The American Legion has played a 

16   critical role in honoring those who have served 

17   this nation and also serving and servicing and 

18   helping those who have served this nation.

19                The American Legion also provides a 

20   critical role in many of the special services 

21   they provide to this country, and most notable 

22   here in this state is the Boys State program.

23                We are gathered today with some of 

24   the members of the American Legion, including our 

25   director of the state agency, Gary Schacher.  


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 1                I ask that the members rise to be 

 2   recognized by the chamber.

 3                (Standing ovation.)

 4                SENATOR BROOKS:   Mr. President, I 

 5   ask that they be extended all the honors of the 

 6   house.  

 7                And once again, gentlemen, we thank 

 8   you for your service, not only in the time in the 

 9   military, but what you still do to this day for 

10   our communities and our veterans.  

11                Thank you very much.  

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

13   Ortt on the resolution.

14                SENATOR ORTT:   Thank you, 

15   Mr. President.  

16                I'd like to thank the sponsor, my 

17   colleague and chair of our Veterans Committee 

18   here in the Senate, Senator Brooks, not only for 

19   sponsoring the resolution but for his remarks.  

20                And I'll be brief, but I just wanted 

21   to sort of add to his comments.  You know, today 

22   our veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, 

23   the way they engage with each other has changed.  

24   But one thing has not changed, and that is the 

25   importance of the work that the American Legion 


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 1   does on behalf of our veterans.  

 2                Whether or not they congregate 

 3   around Legion Halls or whether they congregate on 

 4   social media, the work that the American Legion 

 5   does on behalf of our veterans -- advocating not 

 6   only for their benefits but helping them navigate 

 7   what can very often be a very byzantine system, 

 8   the VA, the federal government -- is an important 

 9   role that our Legionnaires play in the lives of 

10   our veterans.  

11                And you think about how many 

12   veterans -- our Legion posts are in all of our 

13   districts.  Most of us have more than one.  And 

14   the role that these Legion Halls serve as hubs in 

15   our community and the role that these 

16   organizations and the American Legion 

17   specifically play in our own districts and 

18   obviously in our state as a whole, that hasn't 

19   diminished.  

20                And I would like to mention, too, 

21   that the current president, Gary Schacher, is the 

22   first president of the American Legion who is a 

23   veteran of the conflict in Iraq.  So, you know, 

24   he's a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, and he 

25   is the first such veteran from the current 


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 1   conflicts to lead the American Legion.

 2                So I not only thank him for his 

 3   service, but I want to thank all of the 

 4   Legionnaires for what they do for New York State, 

 5   for our veterans across our country.  

 6                And again, I want to thank all of my 

 7   colleagues for their support of this resolution.  

 8                Mr. President, thank you.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

10   question is on the resolution.  All in favor 

11   signify by saying aye.  

12                (Response of "Aye.")

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

14   Opposed?  

15                (No response.)

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

17   resolution is adopted.

18                To our guests, I welcome you on 

19   behalf of the Senate.  We extend to you the 

20   privileges and courtesies of this house.  Thank 

21   you for everything you've done for our country, 

22   our state and our veterans.  Thank you so much.

23                (Standing ovation.)

24                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

25   Gianaris.


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 1                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

 2   can you please recognize Senator Persaud for an 

 3   introduction.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 5   Persaud.

 6                SENATOR PERSAUD:   Thank you, 

 7   Mr. President.

 8                I would just like to briefly welcome 

 9   three ladies who are sitting in our chamber here 

10   today.  They are here today -- they were hoping 

11   to be here when we voted on legislation that's 

12   important to them, but maybe not; they have to 

13   leave.  

14                These are women who were previously 

15   incarcerated.  And I have one young lady here, 

16   LaDeamMa, who spent 21 years incarcerated -- will 

17   you please stand -- 21 years incarcerated.  She's 

18   a victim of domestic violence, and because of 

19   that, the trauma she went through caused her to 

20   do things that caused her to be incarcerated for 

21   21 years.  

22                The other two ladies who are here, 

23   they have been tirelessly coming up here asking 

24   us to do this legislation that will benefit not 

25   them, but other women -- well, not only women, 


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 1   other people who are victims of domestic 

 2   violence.  

 3                So, Mr. President, I ask you today 

 4   to please welcome them and thank them for their 

 5   tireless, tireless advocacy in terms of fighting 

 6   for people who are incarcerated due to domestic 

 7   violence issues.  

 8                Domestic violence affects our 

 9   communities dearly, and these women have never 

10   given up.  And they will never give up the fight.  

11   And so 21 years in prison, 18 years in prison -- 

12   other women are out there asking us for our 

13   support.  

14                So again, please recognize these 

15   ladies today.  Thank you.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   To our 

17   guests, I welcome you on behalf of the Senate.  I 

18   extend to you the privileges and courtesies of 

19   this house.  Thank you for everything you're 

20   doing on behalf of women and men who are victims 

21   of domestic violence.  

22                Please rise and be recognized.

23                (Cheers from gallery; standing 

24   ovation.)

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 


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 1   Gianaris.

 2                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

 3   can we now take up the reading of the calendar.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 5   Secretary will read.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 7   149, Senate Print 1870B, by Senator Comrie, an 

 8   act to amend the Public Authorities Law.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

10   the last section.

11                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

12   act shall take effect immediately.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

14   the roll.

15                (The Secretary called the roll.)

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

17   Announce the results.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 59.  Nays, 1.  

19   Senator Antonacci recorded in the negative.  

20                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

21   bill is passed.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

23   184, Senate Print 877A, by Senator Rivera, an act 

24   to amend the Civil Practice Law and Rules.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 


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 1   the last section.

 2                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 3   act shall take effect immediately.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

 5   the roll.

 6                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 8   Announce the results.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

10   Calendar Number 184, those Senators recorded in 

11   the negative are Senators Antonacci, Helming, 

12   Jacobs, Jordan, Lanza, Ortt, Ranzenhofer and 

13   Tedisco.  Also Senator Seward, Senator Griffo and 

14   Senator Little.

15                Ayes, 49.  Nays, 11.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

17   bill is passed.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

19   204, Senate Print 2685, by Senator Mayer, an act 

20   to amend the General Municipal Law.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

22   the last section.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

24   act shall take effect immediately.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 


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 1   the roll.

 2                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 4   Announce the results.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 6   Calendar Number 204, Senator Antonacci recorded 

 7   in the negative.  

 8                Ayes, 59.  Nays, 1.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

10   bill is passed.

11                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

12   207, Senate Print 2979, by Senator Gaughran, an 

13   act to incorporate the Volunteer Exempt 

14   Firefighter's Benevolent Association of 

15   Huntington Manor and providing for its powers and 

16   duties.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

18   the last section.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Section 8.  This 

20   act shall take effect immediately.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

22   the roll.

23                (The Secretary called the roll.)

24                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

25   Announce the results.


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 1                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 3   bill is passed.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 5   208, Senate Print 3057, by Senator Gaughran, an 

 6   act to amend the Volunteer Firefighters' Benefit 

 7   Law.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 9   the last section.

10                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

11   act shall take effect immediately.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

13   the roll.

14                (The Secretary called the roll.)

15                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

16   Announce the results.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 60.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

19   bill is passed.

20                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

21   225, Senate Print 1826C, by Senator Kennedy, an 

22   act to amend the Labor Law.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

24   the last section.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 


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 1   act shall take effect on the 180th day after it 

 2   shall have become a law.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

 4   the roll.

 5                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 7   Kennedy to explain his vote.

 8                SENATOR KENNEDY:   Thank you very 

 9   much, Mr. President.

10                First of all, I want to thank my 

11   colleagues for their support on this bill and 

12   unceasing advocacy on behalf of working men and 

13   women across the great State of New York.

14                I want to recognize the leadership 

15   of our Democratic Conference, Senator Andrea 

16   Stewart-Cousins, for bringing this bill to the 

17   floor so expeditiously, as well as the 

18   Labor Committee for moving this in a decisive 

19   fashion as well.

20                This bill I first introduced in this 

21   chamber back in 2012.  It was carried in the 

22   Assembly by now Congressman, then Assemblymember 

23   Hakim Jeffries, then taken up by Assemblywoman 

24   and now Majority Leader Crystal Peoples-Stokes, 

25   and now carried in the Assembly with hopes of its 


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 1   passage once again by Assemblymember Rosenthal.

 2                The Assembly has passed this bill 

 3   year after year.  The Senate, unfortunately, 

 4   has balked until today.

 5                And this bill sends an 

 6   extraordinarily strong message that New York 

 7   State is taking the jobs in our state very 

 8   seriously, and we refuse to incentivize call 

 9   center businesses that are going to outsource our 

10   jobs out of state and out of this nation.

11                And unfortunately, since the 

12   inception of this bill back in 2012, there have 

13   been thousands of jobs that have been outsourced 

14   in New York State as well as in our nation.  

15   Since 2006, there have been upwards of 40,000 

16   call center jobs that have left New York State.  

17   If these jobs are being incentivized by 

18   taxpayers, then these jobs need to stay in 

19   New York.  That's what this bill is all about.  

20                And what this bill ultimately does 

21   is it creates clawbacks so that companies that 

22   are incentivized for these call centers 

23   ultimately have to pay back those incentives, 

24   that taxpayer money, those grants to the State of 

25   New York if in fact they take these call center 


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 1   jobs out of state or out of nation.  This is 

 2   simply the right thing to do.

 3                And I'm just so proud of the support 

 4   that this bill has gotten.  This bill has 

 5   bipartisan support.  This bill has been a long 

 6   time coming, and this will certainly set in 

 7   motion a plan to ensure that our call center jobs 

 8   that are incentivized stay right here.  

 9                I want to say, to all of the 

10   advocates, to all of the working men and women 

11   that for so many years have worked with us in 

12   this chamber and in the Assembly to get the 

13   message out there to pass this bill and how 

14   essential it is to keeping our jobs in New York 

15   State right here -- I just want to say thank you.

16                We owe the working men and women 

17   across this state a debt of gratitude.  We owe 

18   the working men and women across this state whose 

19   jobs are incentivized a little bit of faith that 

20   their jobs are going to stay here, a little bit 

21   of trust that if these large corporations decide 

22   to move those jobs, that they're going to be 

23   penalized to do so, that if these corporations 

24   decide to take the volume of calls that they've 

25   been taking away from the State of New York, that 


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 1   they will be put on a list and for five years the 

 2   State of New York will say no more to 

 3   incentivizing corporations that will move these 

 4   jobs elsewhere.

 5                So once again, I'm so proud to stand 

 6   here as a sponsor of this bill, but with my 

 7   colleagues, with the tremendous amount of 

 8   support -- and again, in a bipartisan fashion -- 

 9   but most importantly, from the great people of 

10   the State of New York that have called for this 

11   bill's passage for so long and it's finally 

12   getting done.  And I urge not only passage once 

13   again in the Assembly but the Governor's 

14   signature as quickly as possible so we can enact 

15   this bill once and for all.

16                Thank you very much, Mr. President.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

18   Kennedy to be recorded in the affirmative.

19                Senator Montgomery to explain her 

20   vote.

21                SENATOR MONTGOMERY:   Yes, thank 

22   you, Mr. Chair.

23                I want to thank Senator Kennedy for 

24   bringing this legislation to the floor.  I fully 

25   support it and intend to vote for it.  However, I 


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 1   would like to also join Senator Persaud in 

 2   commending the Women's Prison Coalition, the 

 3   women who are here on behalf of those women, as 

 4   we celebrate Women's History Month, to celebrate 

 5   themselves and the work that they do on behalf of 

 6   women in this state, particularly women who have 

 7   been formerly incarcerated in the state.

 8                This is the organization that now, 

 9   on the precipice of supporting this legislation 

10   which they have -- the legislation that Senator 

11   Persaud has introduced, and we will hopefully be 

12   bringing to the floor very soon, was carried by 

13   Senator Hassell-Thompson before.  We've worked on 

14   it for many years.  But this is the organization 

15   that is going to be responsible for supporting 

16   the movement to provide some assistance and some 

17   special focus on women who are incarcerated, to 

18   allow them an opportunity to have an earlier 

19   release based on the fact that they have suffered 

20   domestic violence, that is part of the reason 

21   that they're there.

22                I want to thank them, however, for 

23   the work that they did to help pass the 

24   anti-shackling legislation here in the State of 

25   New York.  We appreciate that.  And I am so 


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 1   thankful that these women, in the fashion of 

 2   women in the State of New York who have for 

 3   generations, decided to take up the mantle on 

 4   behalf of themselves and other women and 

 5   generations to come.  So I thank them for that.

 6                And in fact this bill reminds me 

 7   that we once had one of the only programs where 

 8   women who were incarcerated had an opportunity to 

 9   do a special service while they were incarcerated 

10   because they answered questions on behalf of the 

11   Department of Motor Vehicles, and citizens who 

12   called in for information would be answered by 

13   those women.

14                Those jobs are gone.  That facility 

15   is gone.  And I'm thankful that Senator Kennedy 

16   has introduced legislation which will make sure 

17   that these jobs don't go overseas.  At least that 

18   we don't pay per for them once they do, if they 

19   do.

20                So thank you, Senator Kennedy.  This 

21   is very appropriate.  And we do have a reason -- 

22   as women, as citizens of the State of New York, 

23   you're protecting our interest in that way.  But 

24   in addition, we're celebrating these very, very 

25   powerful women who still are using their voices 


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 1   to make sure that we are honoring the needs of 

 2   women.  Even though they are incarcerated or they 

 3   have been, it's still a place where they have an 

 4   opportunity to move ahead.

 5                Thank you very much, and I intend to 

 6   vote yes on this legislation.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 8   Montgomery to be recorded in the affirmative.

 9                I'd like to remind members to limit 

10   their comments to two minutes on the bill.

11                Senator Metzger to explain her vote.

12                SENATOR METZGER:   Thank you, 

13   Mr. President.

14                This bill is long overdue.  We have 

15   companies that have been closing down call 

16   centers in New York, sending these jobs out of 

17   state -- out of country -- in the name of saving 

18   costs, while their CEOs have been making between 

19   17 and $29 million a year.  So something's really 

20   wrong with this picture.

21                Today we take action to stop 

22   subsidizing the outsourcing of jobs.  I want to 

23   thank my colleague Senator Kennedy for his 

24   leadership in introducing this bill, which will 

25   encourage companies to keep their call centers 


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 1   right here in New York.  By using clawbacks and 

 2   prohibiting future state contracts for companies 

 3   that offshore call center jobs, we're holding 

 4   them accountable and protecting the working 

 5   families we represent.

 6                The message is clear:  You can't 

 7   take taxpayer money and move jobs out of 

 8   New York.  I'm very proud to cosponsor and vote 

 9   aye on this legislation.

10                Thank you.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

12   Metzger to be recorded in the affirmative.

13                Senator Harckham to explain his 

14   vote.

15                SENATOR HARCKHAM:   Thank you, 

16   Mr. President.

17                First I want to thank Senator 

18   Kennedy for his leadership on this issue, as well 

19   as our leader, Andrea Stewart-Cousins, to get us 

20   to this point.

21                I look up in the gallery and I see 

22   so many friends and people who have worked for 

23   years on this bill -- to be disappointed year 

24   after year, and yet this conference will deliver 

25   for you today.


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 1                And I want to congratulate you from 

 2   Westchester on your victory in the Altice 

 3   election.  That was also a great victory, and you 

 4   should all be commended.

 5                So I just want to say that this bill 

 6   is commonsense, and this should be the way we do 

 7   business with all our contracts in New York.  If 

 8   you take New York taxpayer money, the money stays 

 9   in New York, whether it's a call center job, a 

10   blue collar job, an executive job, a management 

11   job, a manufacturing job.  We've got to get back 

12   to keeping these jobs right here in New York, and 

13   this is a template for it.

14                So I want to thank Senator Kennedy.  

15   I want to thank CWA and everybody who's worked so 

16   hard for so many years to get to this point.

17                I vote in the affirmative.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

19   Harckham to be recorded in the affirmative.

20                Senator May to explain her vote.

21                SENATOR MAY:   Thank you, 

22   Mr. President.

23                I also want to thank Senator Kennedy 

24   for this bill.  In January, AT&T informed 150 

25   call center workers in Syracuse that their jobs 


                                                               1524

 1   were moving to Florida.  They had two weeks to 

 2   decide whether to move and accept a pay cut and 

 3   uncertain benefits or to stay in the community 

 4   that they love.

 5                These jobs were paying an average of 

 6   $70,000 a year.  The workers owned homes.  They 

 7   had kids in school.  They had elderly parents 

 8   they were caring for, they were involved in 

 9   church groups and community groups.  They were 

10   committed to our community.  And most of them 

11   decided to stay.

12                Now, you would think that a 

13   corporation that receives tax benefits from a 

14   locality would feel some allegiance to that 

15   locality as well.  But the fact is that AT&T did 

16   not.  

17                And so this bill has the effect of 

18   essentially reminding those corporations that 

19   they should have allegiance to this community or 

20   the community will take appropriate measures to 

21   remind them that their behavior is just plain 

22   wrong.

23                So I am so pleased that this bill is 

24   happening now.  If it would have happened a year 

25   ago, 150 workers in Syracuse might be able to 


                                                               1525

 1   stay on their jobs.  So it's too late for them, 

 2   but the next time it won't be too late.

 3                So thank you, Senator Kennedy.  

 4   Thank you to my colleagues for supporting this.  

 5   And I proudly vote aye.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 7   May to be recorded in the affirmative.

 8                Senator Carlucci to explain his 

 9   vote.

10                SENATOR CARLUCCI:   Thank you, 

11   Mr. President.

12                I too want to thank Senator Kennedy 

13   for moving this very important legislation that 

14   has been lingering for years.  This is an 

15   important step, like was said, to protect the 

16   quarter of a million call center jobs that exist 

17   right now in New York State.

18                Unfortunately, as was told, the 

19   trend has been that these jobs have been leaving.  

20   Since 2006, almost 40,000 call center jobs -- 

21   good jobs -- have left New York State.

22                So this is an effort to say, hey, if 

23   you're doing business in New York, if you're 

24   taking advantage of the tax credits, of a loan, 

25   of a grant, that you have the decency to uphold 


                                                               1526

 1   your end of the deal to keep the jobs here in 

 2   New York State where they belong.  

 3                So I'm very grateful to my 

 4   colleagues for supporting this legislation.  And, 

 5   Mr. President, I'll be supporting it and voting 

 6   in the affirmative.

 7                Thank you very much.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 9   Carlucci to be recorded in the affirmative.

10                Senator Lanza to explain his vote.

11                SENATOR LANZA:   Thank you, 

12   Mr. President.  

13                First I'd like to associate myself 

14   with the remarks of my good friend Senator 

15   Montgomery, who really did a wonderful job 

16   describing these jobs, the importance of them, 

17   and the kind of people that work there.

18                It is important that we do 

19   everything that we can to keep jobs here in 

20   New York.  I'm a cosponsor of this legislation.  

21   I've been a supporter of this legislation for a 

22   long time.  And of course I vote in the 

23   affirmative, because I think this is about the 

24   only way we can keep jobs, sadly, here in 

25   New York.


                                                               1527

 1                I think there's a better way, 

 2   though.  There are other jobs that we're losing 

 3   by the thousands every month here in New York.  

 4   There are thousands of other jobs that we say are 

 5   not welcome here in New York.  And it's because 

 6   the better way to keep these jobs and others and 

 7   to invite new jobs here in New York is to make 

 8   sure that we advance tax policy and regulatory 

 9   policies that say to the people out there who 

10   create these jobs:  You're welcome.  We want to 

11   work here.  We want you to create jobs.

12                So this is an imperfect way to do 

13   it.  In effect we're saying you can't leave, and 

14   that's a good thing for you.  But for all those 

15   other jobs that are leaving every single day, and 

16   for the new jobs that want to be created here in 

17   New York City, we've really got to rethink the 

18   policies here in New York State and once and for 

19   all create an environment that is hospitable to 

20   jobs and families from one end of the state to 

21   the other.  

22                So I vote in the affirmative, but I 

23   wish we were doing more to keep more jobs here.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

25   Lanza to be recorded in the affirmative.


                                                               1528

 1                Senator Ramos to explain her vote.

 2                SENATOR RAMOS:   Thank you, 

 3   Mr. President.

 4                I, as the proud chair of the Senate 

 5   Labor Committee, rise to vote aye, to thank 

 6   Senator Kennedy for his leadership on this issue.  

 7   And to the Communication Workers of America for 

 8   their advocacy and their courage and their 

 9   dedication to ensuring that we don't have just 

10   any jobs in New York, but good union jobs in 

11   New York -- with collective bargaining rights, 

12   with protections for workers.  

13                I worry about my generation, 

14   Mr. President.  We probably won't have many 

15   pensions.  We probably won't have as many labor 

16   protections.  We might not have Social Security 

17   by the time we're ready to retire.  

18                And so preserving these jobs, 40,000 

19   of which have left this state since 2006 -- and 

20   especially in an industry where we're actually 

21   expecting -- where there's projected growth in 

22   the customer service industry.  We are doing the 

23   right thing in this legislative body today in 

24   ensuring that these jobs are protected, and 

25   hopefully we are attracting even more employers 


                                                               1529

 1   who understand that workers deserve a living wage 

 2   and protections.

 3                So thank you to my colleagues.  And 

 4   thank you.  Donning CWA red, I proudly vote aye.

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 6   Ramos to be recorded in the affirmative.

 7                Senator Biaggi to explain her vote.

 8                SENATOR BIAGGI:   Thank you, 

 9   Mr. President.

10                I rise today as well to vote in the 

11   affirmative.  I believe that this bill sends a 

12   very strong message that we in New York State 

13   will not allow companies to benefit on the backs 

14   of its workers and that we in the New York State 

15   Senate are putting people over profits.

16                I want to thank the Senate sponsor, 

17   Senator Kennedy, and also our leader, Andrea 

18   Stewart-Cousins, for prioritizing this very 

19   important bill.  And I want to congratulate CWA 

20   for all of the tireless work that you have done 

21   to ensure that we are passing this bill today.

22                Again, I vote in the affirmative, 

23   and I want to dedicate my vote to Mike Basso, 

24   Chris Smith, and of course to Halen {ph} and to 

25   Joe Mayhew up there.  Thank you so much.


                                                               1530

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 2   Biaggi to be recorded in the affirmative.

 3                Senator Gounardes to explain his 

 4   vote.

 5                SENATOR GOUNARDES:   Thank you, 

 6   Mr. President.  

 7                You know, I think that today's vote 

 8   is more than just about protecting call center 

 9   jobs here in the State of New York.  I think 

10   today's vote is the start of this body saying no 

11   to corporate welfare in this state that does not 

12   invest in the workers of this state.  

13                We are saying -- and I appreciate 

14   Senator Lanza's comments about thinking about tax 

15   policy to incentivize business here.  But we 

16   should not be investing in companies that will 

17   not be investing in the workers of New York 

18   State, plain and simple.  Plain and simple.  

19                We should not be investing in 

20   companies that turn their backs on the people who 

21   make those companies so successful and say, 

22   thanks for all your hard work, but no thanks.  We 

23   should not be investing in companies that don't 

24   care about the welfare of their own workers.  

25                We put an end to that with this 


                                                               1531

 1   small step today, and hopefully this is the start 

 2   of a much larger conversation about how we treat 

 3   workers in this state, how we incentivize true 

 4   workforce development, true economic development 

 5   that puts workers first and communities first and 

 6   does the right thing by the people of this state.  

 7                So I proudly vote aye.  I salute my 

 8   friends here from CWA, especially my friends from 

 9   1109 down in Brooklyn.  Thank you for all your 

10   friendship and support and for carrying this 

11   issue over the finish line with all of your hard 

12   work and advocacy.  I salute you all.

13                Thank you.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

15   Gounardes to be recorded in the affirmative.

16                Senator Stavisky to explain her 

17   vote.

18                SENATOR STAVISKY:   Thank you, 

19   Mr. President.  

20                I represent many of the people who 

21   work at the call centers.  As you know, I 

22   represent a heavily Asian-American constituency, 

23   and I have visited the call centers, particularly 

24   the -- a number of them, but particularly the one 

25   in Forest Hills on Queens Boulevard.  And in fact 


                                                               1532

 1   on a number of occasions I have walked the picket 

 2   line with the workers from the Communication 

 3   Workers of America.  

 4                And I too want to support the 

 5   efforts of CWA and the various locals, including 

 6   1180, because they -- their jobs are at stake.  

 7   These are good, well-paying jobs, and to lose 

 8   them is a tragedy.

 9                So I thank Senator Kennedy for 

10   introducing this legislation, and I proudly vote 

11   yes.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

13   Stavisky to be recorded in the affirmative.

14                Senator Boyle to explain his vote.

15                SENATOR BOYLE:   Mr. President, to 

16   explain my vote.  

17                This is a day that's been a long 

18   time in coming.  I was very proud to be the prime 

19   sponsor of this legislation in years past.  I 

20   want to thank Senator Kennedy for his leadership 

21   for bringing it to the floor, and Leader 

22   Stewart-Cousins.  

23                Michael and our friends at the CWA, 

24   it's been a long time.  It's a simple policy, 

25   it's a simple philosophy.  If you're a business 


                                                               1533

 1   and you're going to take New York State taxpayer 

 2   money, you're going to hire New York workers and 

 3   keep your jobs in New York State.  It's fair.  

 4                I particularly like the provision 

 5   that says if you don't keep up with it, we're 

 6   going to claw it back if you try and leave with 

 7   not keeping your promises.  This is a makes-sense 

 8   piece of legislation.  

 9                It's unfortunate that we have to 

10   keep jobs in New York State this way.  I agree 

11   with my colleague Senator Lanza that we need to 

12   make New York State more business-friendly.  But 

13   this is the way it's done in every other state, 

14   and we're going to make sure that it's done in 

15   New York.  We're going to keep the jobs in 

16   New York State.  

17                This is a great bill, and I want to 

18   keep 40,000 more jobs for communication workers 

19   in New York State.  I vote in the affirmative.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

21   Boyle to be recorded in the affirmative.

22                Senator Skoufis to explain his vote.

23                SENATOR SKOUFIS:   Thank you very 

24   much, Mr. President.

25                Incentives serve an important 


                                                               1534

 1   purpose here in this state and around the 

 2   country.  But with those incentives comes the 

 3   expectation that the applicant is going to be a 

 4   good corporate member.  And if on one hand we 

 5   have applicants, corporations who are happy to be 

 6   showered with these incentives to move into 

 7   New York State, stay in New York State but, on 

 8   the other hand, screw their workers, screw our 

 9   neighbors here in New York State, that is where 

10   we draw the line.

11                And this bill is I hope the start of 

12   us sending a loud and clear message that we're 

13   not going to be putting up with that kind of 

14   behavior any longer in this state.  I'm very 

15   proud to vote aye.

16                Thank you.

17                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

18   Skoufis to be recorded in the affirmative.

19                Senator Gaughran to explain his 

20   vote.

21                SENATOR GAUGHRAN:   Thank you, 

22   Mr. President.

23                You know, I think it's very 

24   appropriate that we are taking this up today as 

25   we all are very busy deliberating and soon to be 


                                                               1535

 1   voting for the first step in the budget process, 

 2   because we are facing some very tough fiscal 

 3   issues in this state.  And what this bill does, 

 4   in addition to helping the men and women, the 

 5   workforce from across Long Island, it makes sure 

 6   that these jobs stay in New York.  And when these 

 7   jobs stay in New York, that means the employees 

 8   will be paying taxes in New York that will help 

 9   us going forward with all of the fiscal issues 

10   that we are facing.

11                So I vote in the affirmative, and 

12   congratulations to CWA and all the advocates.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

14   Gaughran to be recorded in the affirmative.

15                Senator Bailey to explain his vote.

16                SENATOR BAILEY:   Thank you, 

17   Mr. President.

18                I rise to applaud the sponsor of 

19   this bill, Senator Kennedy.  Thank you for your 

20   leadership, Senator Kennedy, on this very 

21   important matter.  

22                I will be as brief as I possibly 

23   can.  I want to thank Mike Basso from CWA, who 

24   brought this to my attention.  And when Mike 

25   explained it to me, it wasn't just a labor 


                                                               1536

 1   protection thing, it wasn't just because, hey, 

 2   you know, stand with labor, it was because it was 

 3   40,000 jobs.  

 4                But it's not just a person that 

 5   works for a job.  You see, Mr. President, that 

 6   the folks that have jobs have families.  And 

 7   these families need to eat.  These families need 

 8   to pay rent.  These families have economic 

 9   realities that they struggle with.  

10                So when Mike really framed it like 

11   that for me, it made all the sense in the world 

12   to be a supporter and a strong supporter of this 

13   bill.  

14                And so I thank the men and women of 

15   CWA for constantly fighting for this legislation.  

16   And has been said by members of both parties, 

17   it's long overdue.  And I'm finally glad we've 

18   come to a resolution where we can keep 

19   New Yorkers employed in New York and build on the 

20   Empire State's greatness.  

21                And I vote aye, Mr. President.  

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

23   Bailey to be recorded in the affirmative.

24                Senator Sanders to explain his vote.

25                SENATOR SANDERS:   Thank you, 


                                                               1537

 1   Mr. President.

 2                There is a proper role for tax 

 3   incentives, and then of course there's an 

 4   improper role.  This is a proper use of tax 

 5   incentives.  It's saying that we will give you a 

 6   certain amount of money, a certain amount of aid, 

 7   but we want to see you grow jobs in New York 

 8   State.  

 9                We want to ensure that these jobs 

10   are union, that these jobs pay a living wage, and 

11   that we ensure that the people of New York State 

12   move further.

13                I encourage all of us to look at 

14   this, but we shouldn't stop here.  This should 

15   open up more.  There are megaprojects taking 

16   place throughout the state that we need to use 

17   these ideas at.  We need to say, Hey, wait a 

18   minute, if a project is taking place in 

19   Watertown, the people of Watertown should 

20   benefit.  And that takes place with any part of 

21   the state.  The people of the local area should 

22   benefit.  Of course that takes in MWBE and any 

23   other goals, worthy goals that we have.  Whether 

24   we're speaking of disabled workers, veterans, all 

25   of the goals of New York can be met if we do this 


                                                               1538

 1   properly.

 2                I want to of course thank Senator 

 3   Kennedy.  I want to acknowledge the incredible 

 4   perseverance of CWA, Communication Workers of 

 5   America.  I want to say that this type of 

 6   leadership reflects well on our leaders that we 

 7   have.  

 8                And I look forward to continuing 

 9   this conversation throughout the entire state:  

10   How do we ensure that all of these 

11   mega-developments, all of this money that we're 

12   using, how are we ensuring that it goes to the 

13   people of New York State?  And any corporation 

14   that fails to understand that, let's take the 

15   money back and give it to another corporation 

16   that will understand these things.

17                Thank you very much, Mr. President.  

18   I vote yes.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

20   Sanders to be recorded in the affirmative.

21                Senator Savino to explain her vote.

22                SENATOR SAVINO:   Thank you, 

23   Mr. President.

24                I also rise to congratulate Senator 

25   Kennedy for the passage of this bill today.  And 


                                                               1539

 1   I'm happy to say that this is a long time coming, 

 2   Senator Kennedy.  Congratulations to CWA and all 

 3   the others who have attempted to bring this bill 

 4   to the floor -- Senator Boyle, who's carried it 

 5   over the years.

 6                Almost nine years ago we passed 

 7   another call center bill on this floor.  In 2010, 

 8   I joined with Assemblymember Cahill and we 

 9   enacted the Public Service Utility Call Center 

10   Bill right here in the New York State Senate, and 

11   the Governor signed it into law, preventing 

12   public utilities from outsourcing call center 

13   jobs from New York State.  We thought it would be 

14   pretty easy to get the next phase done, but it 

15   took us nine years.  

16                Nine years is a very long time, but 

17   I'm happy to say that we're finally getting it 

18   done, and we call on the Assembly to join us and 

19   do this as quickly as possible.  

20                In Staten Island, we have E-ZPass 

21   centers.  Those jobs could potentially be at risk 

22   if this legislation is not enacted into law.  

23   Those are good hardworking members of CWA who 

24   live in Staten Island who are helping administer 

25   the E-ZPass center.  And as we move further and 


                                                               1540

 1   further into over-the-road tolling and we're 

 2   potentially looking at congestion pricing, which 

 3   will require more over-the-road tolling, we want 

 4   to make sure that the customer service 

 5   representatives who are talking to our 

 6   drivers are New York State residents and that 

 7   they are earning a decent salary and that they 

 8   are union members and they are represented by a 

 9   strong union like the Communication Workers of 

10   America.  

11                So I want to congratulate, again, 

12   Senator Kennedy for bringing it across the line, 

13   and I look forward to having it as a companion 

14   piece to the Public Utility Call Center Act.

15                Thank you, Mr. President.

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

17   Savino to be recorded in the affirmative.

18                Senator Hoylman to explain his vote.

19                SENATOR HOYLMAN:   Thank you, 

20   Mr. President.  

21                I just wanted to pile on and 

22   congratulate Senator Kennedy in the best way 

23   possible for his perseverance.

24                It's hard to believe that this has 

25   taken seven years to pass.  And you think about 


                                                               1541

 1   40,000 jobs, that's the size of the population of 

 2   Rome, Ithaca, Long Beach, Binghamton -- imagine 

 3   those towns being emptied out and sent to other 

 4   states or across the globe.  Well, that's what's 

 5   happened to call center workers.  

 6                And so with this bill, Senator 

 7   Kennedy, I hope the next time that I get a call 

 8   from my bank or my student loan service provider, 

 9   I'll hear a New York voice rather than someone 

10   from Tampa or Salt Lake City or the Philippines.  

11                I vote aye.  Thank you, 

12   Mr. President.  

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

14   Hoylman to be recorded in the affirmative.

15                Senator Martinez to explain her 

16   vote.

17                SENATOR MARTINEZ:   Thank you, 

18   Mr. President.  

19                Just echoing what everyone has said.  

20   And I am honored to have cosponsored this 

21   important piece of legislation which protects 

22   New York State's workforce.  

23                Senator Kennedy, thank you so much 

24   for leading this in this year's session.  And to 

25   my colleague over on the island, Senator Boyle, 


                                                               1542

 1   for your efforts as well.  

 2                And especially to CWA.  You are 

 3   amazing men and women.  And thank you for your 

 4   tireless advocacy that you have been pushing for 

 5   this piece of legislation for years.  And today 

 6   is the day that you see this body put New York 

 7   first and you see this body believing in economic 

 8   development but keeping the jobs here in 

 9   New York.

10                And we need to continue to put 

11   New York forward and put New York first, which is 

12   why, Mr. President, I vote in the affirmative.  

13                Congratulations, CWA.  

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

15   Martinez to be recorded in the affirmative.

16                Senator Salazar to explain her vote.

17                SENATOR SALAZAR:   Thank you, 

18   Mr. President.

19                I am proud to be a cosponsor of this 

20   legislation.  And I thank Senator Kennedy for 

21   championing this for so long, all of the CWA 

22   members who have long been fighting for 

23   legislation.  

24                It's absolutely critical that we 

25   keep these jobs in New York State.  Often these 


                                                               1543

 1   are union jobs, they're quality jobs.  And when 

 2   we see companies like AT&T moving jobs like this 

 3   from Syracuse out of New York, we have an 

 4   obligation to stop it from happening again.

 5                So I'm proud to be part of passing 

 6   this legislation to try to prevent that from 

 7   happening to any other workers.  I think 

 8   especially that the 30 percent threshold is 

 9   beyond reasonable.  With companies like Verizon, 

10   that means at least 800 jobs, quality jobs that 

11   New Yorkers currently have and rely on.

12                So I'm proud to vote in the 

13   affirmative today.  Thank you.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

15   Salazar to be recorded in the affirmative.

16                Senator Kaplan to explain her vote.

17                SENATOR KAPLAN:   I too stand today 

18   thanking my colleague Senator Kennedy for his 

19   hard work on this, and our Majority Leader, 

20   Andrea Stewart-Cousins.  

21                It's really an honor to stand here, 

22   welcome you, and thank you for your advocacy.

23                I think everything has been said 

24   already.  I vote in the affirmative.  Thank you.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 


                                                               1544

 1   Kaplan to be recorded in the affirmative.

 2                Announce the results.

 3                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 4   Calendar Number 225, those Senators recorded in 

 5   the negative are Senators O'Mara, Ranzenhofer and 

 6   Seward.

 7                Ayes, 58.  Nays, 3.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 9   bill is passed.

10                (Cheers from galleries; standing 

11   ovation.)

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

13   Gianaris, that completes the reading of today's 

14   calendar.  

15                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

16   for the remainder of today's session we're going 

17   to call a Rules Committee meeting, after which 

18   we'll come back to the floor to pass the bills 

19   that are reported.

20                So with that, there will be an 

21   immediate meeting of the Rules Committee in 

22   Room 332, and the Senate will stand at ease.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

24   will be an immediate meeting of the Rules 

25   Committee in Room 332.  


                                                               1545

 1                The Senate will stand at ease.

 2                (Whereupon, the Senate stood at ease 

 3   at 5:12 p.m.)

 4                (Whereupon, the Senate reconvened at 

 5   5:24 p.m.)

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 7   Senate will return to order.

 8                Senator Gianaris.

 9                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

10   can we return to the reports of standing 

11   committees.  I believe there's a report of the 

12   Rules Committee at the desk.  Can we take it up, 

13   please.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Reports 

15   of standing committees.

16                There's a report of the Rules 

17   Committee at the desk.  

18                The Secretary will read.

19                THE SECRETARY:   Senator 

20   Stewart-Cousins, from the Committee on Rules, 

21   reports the following bills:  

22                Senate Print 1077, by Senator 

23   Persaud, an act to amend the Penal Law and the 

24   Criminal Procedure Law;

25                Senate Print 4023, by Senator 


                                                               1546

 1   Serrano, an act to amend Chapter 192 of the Laws 

 2   of 2011; 

 3                Senate Print 4089, by Senator 

 4   Thomas, an act to amend the Vehicle and Traffic 

 5   Law and the Public Officers Law; 

 6                Senate Print 4350, by Senator 

 7   Breslin, an act to amend the Election Law; 

 8                Senate Print 4355, by Senator 

 9   Serino, an act to amend the Parks, Recreation and 

10   Historic Preservation Law; 

11                Senate Print 4356, by Senator Ortt, 

12   an act to amend the Insurance Law; 

13                And Senate Print 4413, by Senator 

14   Metzger, an act to amend the Labor Law.

15                All bills ordered direct to third 

16   reading.

17                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

18   move to accept the report of the Rules Committee.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   All 

20   those in favor of accepting the report of the 

21   Rules Committee signify by saying aye.

22                (Response of "Aye.")

23                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

24   Opposed, nay.

25                (No response.)


                                                               1547

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 2   report is accepted.  

 3                Senator Gianaris.

 4                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Can we now take 

 5   up the reading of the supplemental calendar, 

 6   please.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

 8   is a substitution at the desk.  

 9                The Secretary will read.

10                THE SECRETARY:   Senator Persaud 

11   moved to discharge, from the Committee on Codes, 

12   Assembly Bill Number 3974 and substitute it for 

13   the identical Senate Bill 1077, Third Reading 

14   Calendar Number 252.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

16   substitution is so ordered.

17                The Secretary will read.  

18                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

19   252, Assembly Print 3974, by Assemblymember 

20   Aubry, an act to amend the Penal Law and the 

21   Criminal Procedure Law.

22                SENATOR GRIFFO:   Lay it aside.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Lay it 

24   aside.

25                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 


                                                               1548

 1   253, Senate Print 4023, by Senator Serrano, an 

 2   act to amend Chapter 192 of the Laws of 2011.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 4   the last section.

 5                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

 6   act shall take effect immediately and shall be 

 7   deemed to have been in full force and effect on 

 8   and after January 31, 2019.

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

10   the roll.

11                (The Secretary called the roll.)

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

13   Announce the results.

14                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

15                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

16   bill is passed.

17                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

18   254, Senate Print 4089, by Senator Thomas, an act 

19   to amend the Vehicle and Traffic Law and the 

20   Public Officers Law.

21                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

22   the last section.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

24   act shall take effect on the 30th day after it 

25   shall have become a law.


                                                               1549

 1                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

 2   the roll.

 3                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 5   Thomas to explain his vote.

 6                SENATOR THOMAS:   Thank you, 

 7   Mr. President.

 8                I want to thank the leader, Andrea 

 9   Stewart-Cousins, and the Transportation chair, 

10   Senator Kennedy, for expediting this bill 

11   because, as representatives of the state, we have 

12   a responsibility to protect the public.

13                I introduced this bill because it 

14   can save lives.  

15                Last month, there was a very tragic 

16   accident on Long Island where two LIRR trains 

17   crashed into a vehicle after the driver of the 

18   vehicle drove around the gates.  Three people 

19   died that night and injured many others on the 

20   two trains carrying over 900 passengers.

21                Similarly, in 2015, a Metro-North 

22   railroad passenger train collided with a vehicle 

23   which had stopped on the tracks.

24                According to the Federal Railroad 

25   Administration, accidents at railroad crossings 


                                                               1550

 1   have decreased over the past decade except within 

 2   the borders of the Empire State.

 3                The truth is that these types of 

 4   accidents are preventable.  If there was a red 

 5   light camera at these intersections, the driver 

 6   of these vehicles would have thought twice before 

 7   driving around the gates to beat the train.

 8                A study done by the Insurance 

 9   Institute for Highway Safety confirms that red 

10   light cameras reduce fatal crashes, and that is 

11   what this bill would do.

12                This bill would allow any local 

13   authority to install and operate red light 

14   cameras at railroad crossings.  These cameras 

15   will find drivers who fail to stop at the signals 

16   indicating an approaching train.  This piece of 

17   legislation will deter drivers and help save 

18   lives on Long Island and all of New York State.

19                I vote aye.  Thank you.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

21   Thomas to be recorded in the affirmative.

22                Senator Carlucci to explain his 

23   vote.

24                SENATOR CARLUCCI:   Thank you, 

25   Mr. President.


                                                               1551

 1                And I want to thank Senator Thomas 

 2   for putting forth this important legislation.  

 3                And we have over 5300 rail crossings 

 4   in New York State, and we have to have all the 

 5   tools available to us to make sure that we're 

 6   keeping motorists, we're keeping commuters, we're 

 7   keeping pedestrians safe.

 8                And this legislation helps to do 

 9   that, adds another tool.  And as was mentioned, 

10   unfortunately, a few years back in Westchester 

11   County we had the most horrific, deadliest crash 

12   in MTA's history.  The Legislature acted, we 

13   passed legislation that required the Department 

14   of Transportation to put together an inventory of 

15   the 5300 rail crossings in New York State so that 

16   we as leaders know which are the most deadly, 

17   which are not the most deadly, which need the red 

18   light cameras, which need better technology or 

19   just some extra paint on the road.

20                Well, it's now 2019.  That report, 

21   we're still waiting from the DOT.  It's almost 

22   two years late.  So that's why I'm grateful to 

23   Senator Thomas and this legislation, because we 

24   have to continue to act.  

25                We're hopeful that the DOT will 


                                                               1552

 1   comply and provide us with that information so we 

 2   can be proactive instead of reactive.  But 

 3   unfortunately, right now in New York State the 

 4   Department of Transportation just waits for these 

 5   accidents to happen.  We need to make sure that 

 6   we have the professionals going through and 

 7   inspecting these rail crossings to make sure that 

 8   they are safe.  And to make sure that, 

 9   particularly in Senator Thomas's case, that was a 

10   problem spot.  Accidents had happened there in 

11   Long Island in the past, but yet nothing was 

12   done.

13                So I'm grateful that we're taking 

14   action today moving forward, and hopefully this 

15   legislation will send the message that we have to 

16   take our rail crossings very seriously.  As was 

17   said, nationally, fatalities have declined at 

18   rail crossings, but unfortunately in New York 

19   State we've seen a steady increase in the amount 

20   of fatalities at rail crossings right here in 

21   New York State.

22                So, Mr. President, I'll be 

23   supporting this legislation.  I want to thank the 

24   sponsor for putting it forward and thank my 

25   colleagues for supporting the legislation as 


                                                               1553

 1   well.

 2                Thank you, Mr. President.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 4   Carlucci to be recorded in the affirmative.

 5                Senator Kennedy to explain his vote.

 6                SENATOR KENNEDY:   Thank you, 

 7   Mr. President.

 8                First of all, let me just start by 

 9   saying my condolences to the families that lost 

10   their loved ones recently in Westbury, about 30 

11   miles east of Manhattan.  In the Long Island 

12   Railroad crash, three individuals died; about 

13   seven people were injured.  Our thoughts are 

14   remaining with them.

15                Following that incident, 

16   Senator Thomas came to me and members of the 

17   Transportation Committee and said we must act and 

18   we must act immediately, and that we did.

19                I want to credit Senator Thomas for 

20   his diligence on this bill, for putting this 

21   forward.  There's no question in my mind that 

22   this bill will save lives.

23                The tragedy that happened in Nassau 

24   County simply outlined the fact that too many 

25   individuals are taking their lives, the lives of 


                                                               1554

 1   the passengers in their cars, and the lives of 

 2   the thousands of individuals that ride the trains 

 3   and the subways each and every day, and putting 

 4   them at risk.

 5                And it's not right, and this bill 

 6   will undoubtedly curb the intentional individuals 

 7   from going through those rail crossings.  It will 

 8   curb the horrific loss of life.  And again, I 

 9   can't say enough about Senator Thomas moving so 

10   expeditiously to get this bill passed.

11                So congratulations to you on this 

12   all-important effort that we need here in the 

13   State of New York.

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

15   Kennedy to be recorded in the affirmative.

16                Senator Harckham to explain his 

17   vote.

18                SENATOR HARCKHAM:   Thank you, 

19   Mr. President.

20                I want to thank Senator Thomas for 

21   an extraordinary effort in a short amount of time 

22   on this.  The accident that Senator Carlucci 

23   referred to is in my district, although I was not 

24   in this seat at the time.  I know people who 

25   perished in that crash, and I know first 


                                                               1555

 1   responders.  And that railroad crossing today 

 2   looks essentially exactly the same as it did the 

 3   day of the crash.  There's been no safety 

 4   improvements.  

 5                We're still waiting for the DOT 

 6   report on rail crossings that should have been 

 7   out a year ago.  And it's unacceptable.  

 8                When we spoke with the new president 

 9   of Metro-North the other day about what safety 

10   measures they were taking at the gates, she 

11   referred to the app, Waze, and she said there's 

12   some squiggly lines where the gates are.  That 

13   does not give me great comfort.

14                What does give me comfort are things 

15   like Senator Thomas's bill, which put cameras 

16   there that will cause reckless folks to pause.  

17   And perhaps folks who aren't reckless but for 

18   whatever reason make a mistake, we will at least 

19   in hindsight know what happened and how we can 

20   prevent those accidents from happening again.

21                So this is the type of legislation, 

22   exactly what we should be doing, exactly what 

23   this body should be doing.  It was spot on, 

24   turned around quickly.  I want to commend Senator 

25   Thomas again for this.  This will go a long way 


                                                               1556

 1   to help keep the people of New York safe.  

 2                I vote in the affirmative, 

 3   Mr. President.  Thank you.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 5   Harckham to be recorded in the affirmative.

 6                Announce the results.

 7                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 8   Calendar 254, those Senators recorded in the 

 9   negative are Senators Akshar, Antonacci, Flanagan 

10   and Ranzenhofer.

11                Ayes, 57.  Nays, 4.

12                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

13   bill is passed.

14                Senator Gianaris.

15                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

16   let us pause to recognize that was Senator 

17   Thomas's first bill to pass the Senate.

18                (Standing ovation.)

19                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

20   is a substitution at the desk.  

21                The Secretary will read.

22                THE SECRETARY:   Senator Breslin 

23   moves to discharge, from the Committee on 

24   Elections, Assembly Bill Number 5979A and 

25   substitute it for the identical Senate Bill 


                                                               1557

 1   Number 4350, Third Reading Calendar 255.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 3   substitution is so ordered.

 4                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 5   255, Assembly Print 5979A, by Assemblymember 

 6   Jones, an act to amend the Election Law.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

 8   the last section.

 9                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

10   act shall take effect immediately.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

12   the roll.

13                (The Secretary called the roll.)

14                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

15   Ranzenhofer to explain his vote.

16                SENATOR RANZENHOFER:   Thank you, 

17   Mr. President.

18                I rise today in opposition to this 

19   bill.  And while I commend the concept and the 

20   intention, which is a good one, to lessen the 

21   number of signatures that are required during 

22   this electoral process, I am very critical and 

23   very upset regarding the implementation of this 

24   particular bill.

25                This bill is very discriminatory and 


                                                               1558

 1   unfair towards the residents of Erie County.  And 

 2   the rationale that is given is just -- really 

 3   doesn't pass the smell test.

 4                To include the vast rural counties 

 5   of Westchester and the great rural expanse of 

 6   Suffolk County but to not include Erie County in 

 7   a bill like this is just ridiculous and really 

 8   doesn't bear support for the fact that we are all 

 9   one New York.  This seems to be put together by 

10   somebody who has never been west of Albany or 

11   west of the New York City area.

12                I don't know if you've ever been to 

13   the great expanse of Grand Island, New York, or 

14   the great metropolis of Sardinia or the huge 

15   urban center of Newstead or Akron, New York, but 

16   to exclude Erie County and to put Erie County in 

17   the same bucket as New York City just doesn't 

18   make any sense.  

19                Again, while the concept is good, to 

20   pass a bill which is punitive, discriminatory and 

21   unfair just doesn't pass the smell test, doesn't 

22   pass muster, and I'll be voting no on this bill.  

23                Thank you, Mr. President.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

25   Ranzenhofer to be recorded in the negative.


                                                               1559

 1                Senator May to explain her vote.

 2                SENATOR MAY:   Thank you, 

 3   Mr. President.

 4                I will be voting in the affirmative 

 5   on this bill, and I encourage my colleagues to do 

 6   so also because so many candidates across this 

 7   state, especially in my district, have been 

 8   struggling against high winds and deep snow and 

 9   very cold temperatures and they're really 

10   struggling to get the signatures they need.

11                This bill is a fix to a bill that I 

12   sponsored a few weeks ago and the Board of 

13   Elections determined that it did not apply to all 

14   races, and so this fixes that problem.

15                But even though I am voting for it, 

16   I agree with my colleague across the aisle.  The 

17   reason my name is not on this bill is because the 

18   Assembly demanded carve-outs for two counties.  

19   And as far as I can tell, the only real 

20   explanation for that is to protect some favored 

21   candidates from challenges.  

22                And when I ran, I ran for 

23   transparent election laws that apply equally to 

24   everyone and that make it easier for everyone to 

25   participate in our election process, and I 


                                                               1560

 1   consider this to be a violation of our democracy.  

 2                I hope to have a bill that makes the 

 3   reductions permanent, and I promise that it will 

 4   apply across the state or not at all.

 5                Thank you.

 6                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 7   May to be recorded in the affirmative.

 8                Announce the results.

 9                Oh, sorry, Senator Akshar to explain 

10   his vote.  My apologies.  

11                SENATOR AKSHAR:   No reason, 

12   Mr. President.  Thank you very much for your 

13   indulgence.

14                We just heard about people 

15   struggling.  We heard about people going out to 

16   get signatures and they were struggling because 

17   of the high winds, they're struggling because of 

18   the cold weather, they're struggling because 

19   they're having a tough time getting signatures.  

20                Well, let me tell you who else is 

21   struggling.  Counties who have to enact all of 

22   this election reform that we're voting on.  And I 

23   just remind this body and everyone here, 

24   Republicans and Democrats, alike, that the people 

25   who are passing those petitions are faced with 


                                                               1561

 1   these issues because we rushed this particular 

 2   piece of legislation through.  So they're out 

 3   there struggling to get those signatures, they're 

 4   struggling through the high winds and the snows 

 5   because of something that we did.  

 6                And the counties are also struggling 

 7   trying to figure out how in the hell they're 

 8   going to pay for all of these unfunded mandates 

 9   that we keep forcing down their throat.  

10                So shame on us.  Shame on us.  

11   Because what this bill does, it makes our life 

12   easier as elected officials who need people to go 

13   out and get their signatures.  It makes our life 

14   easier because they have to get less signatures 

15   for all of us and people who are on committees -- 

16   all at the same time that we've done nothing to 

17   make counties' lives any easier.  

18                Mr. President, I vote no on this 

19   bill just like I did the other.  Thank you.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

21   Akshar to be recorded in the negative.

22                Senator Harckham to explain his 

23   vote.

24                SENATOR HARCKHAM:   Thank you.

25                I apologize for the late entry into 


                                                               1562

 1   explaining my vote.  I will be voting in the 

 2   affirmative.  

 3                And I just would like to remind 

 4   people -- something that we on our side of the 

 5   aisle have been saying all along is that these 

 6   are not unfunded mandates.  We're sensitive to 

 7   the issue of cost.  We have put these programs 

 8   into the budget that we will be voting on 

 9   tomorrow --

10                (Applause from Senator Akshar.)

11                SENATOR HARCKHAM:  Thank you.

12                (Laughter.)

13                SENATOR HARCKHAM:   You know, as a 

14   former county legislator who railed against 

15   unfunded mandates for eight years, you know, I 

16   could not be part of election law that had 

17   unfunded mandates in it.

18                So I just want to set the record 

19   straight:  There will be payment for early 

20   voting.  And on this measure I vote in the 

21   affirmative.  

22                Thank you.

23                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

24   Harckham to be recorded in the affirmative.

25                Announce the results.


                                                               1563

 1                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 2   Calendar Number 255, those Senators recorded in 

 3   the negative are Senators Akshar, Gallivan, 

 4   Jacobs, Kennedy, O'Mara, Ortt and Ranzenhofer.  

 5   Also Senator Griffo.  

 6                Ayes, 53.  Nays, 8.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 8   bill is passed.

 9                Senator Gianaris.

10                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, I 

11   want to just take a moment while we're conducting 

12   our business to acknowledge the presence of our 

13   great Attorney General, who is with us in the 

14   chamber today, Tish James.

15                (Standing ovation.)

16                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

17   Secretary will read.

18                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

19   256, Senate Print 4355, by Senator Serino, an act 

20   to amend the Parks, Recreation and Historic 

21   Preservation Law.

22                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

23   the last section.

24                THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

25   act shall take effect on the same date and in the 


                                                               1564

 1   same manner as a chapter of the Laws of 2018.

 2                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

 3   the roll.

 4                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 5                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

 6   Announce the results.

 7                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 9   bill is passed.

10                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

11   257, Senate Print 4356, by Senator Ortt, an act 

12   to amend the Insurance Law.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Read 

14   the last section.

15                THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

16   act shall take effect on the same date and in the 

17   same manner as a chapter of the Laws of 2018.

18                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 

19   the roll.

20                (The Secretary called the roll.)

21                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:    

22   Announce the results.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 61.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

25   bill is passed.


                                                               1565

 1                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2   258, Senate Print 4413, by Senator Metzger, an 

 3   act to amend the Labor Law.

 4                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 5   bill is high and will be laid aside.

 6                Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

 7   reading of the supplemental calendar.

 8                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Thank you.  Can 

 9   we now read the controversial calendar, please.

10                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

11   Secretary will ring the bell.  

12                The Secretary will read.

13                Can we please have decorum in the 

14   chamber, please.  Thank you.

15                THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

16   252, Assembly Print 3974, substituted earlier by 

17   Assemblymember Aubry, an act to amend the Penal 

18   Law and the Criminal Procedure Law.

19                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

20   Griffo, why do you rise?

21                SENATOR GRIFFO:   Mr. President, I 

22   believe you have an amendment at the desk.  I 

23   waive its reading and ask that you call upon 

24   Senator Jordan for an explanation.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Thank 


                                                               1566

 1   you, Senator Griffo.  

 2                Upon review of the amendment, in 

 3   accordance with Rule 6, Section 4B, I rule it 

 4   nongermane and out of order at this time.

 5                SENATOR GRIFFO:   Accordingly, I 

 6   appeal the ruling of the chair and ask that 

 7   Senator Jordan be recognized on that appeal.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

 9   appeal has been made and recognized, and Senator 

10   Jordan may be heard.

11                SENATOR JORDAN:   Thank you, 

12   Mr. President.

13                The Liv Act is germane to the 

14   bill-in-chief because, number one, it amends the 

15   Penal Law and, number two, both deal with 

16   domestic violence victims.

17                The Liv Act is named after Liv 

18   Abreu, who was a mom-to-be who lost her baby 

19   after she was violently stabbed by her boyfriend.

20                After the attack, Liv's assailant 

21   was charged under abortion statutes in the Penal 

22   Law, a provision of law that has since been 

23   repealed when the Reproductive Health Act was 

24   signed into law.  

25                Just two weeks after the 


                                                               1567

 1   Reproductive Health Act was signed into law, and 

 2   One World Trade Center was lit up in pink to 

 3   celebrate the vast expansion of the abortion 

 4   access in this state, Jennifer Irigoyen was 

 5   murdered by her boyfriend, Anthony Hobson.  

 6   Jennifer was five months pregnant.  Prosecutors 

 7   initially included a charge of abortion against 

 8   Hobson, but later had to withdraw the charge 

 9   because under the Reproductive Health Act, it no 

10   longer existed.

11                Opponents of the Liv Act have stated 

12   it's not necessary because the defendant is 

13   already being charged with a more serious crime.  

14   That's not always the case.  Consider this:  In 

15   an instance where a pregnant woman is unknowingly 

16   given medication to terminate her pregnancy, the 

17   assailant would not be charged with a crime under 

18   the Penal Law even though their actions have 

19   resulted in the termination of a pregnancy.

20                This amendment is necessary to 

21   protect pregnant women and their unborn children.  

22   I urge all my fellow Senators to vote yes.

23                Thank you.

24                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Thank 

25   you, Senator Jordan.


                                                               1568

 1                I want to remind the house that the 

 2   vote is on the procedures of the house and the 

 3   ruling of the chair.

 4                Those in favor of overruling the 

 5   chair signify by saying aye.

 6                (Response of "Aye.")

 7                SENATOR GRIFFO:   Show of hands, 

 8   Mr. President.  

 9                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   A show 

10   of hands has been requested and so ordered.

11                (Show of hands.)  

12                THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 20.

13                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

14   ruling of the chair stands, and the bill-in-chief 

15   is before the house.

16                Senator Gianaris.

17                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

18   without objection, can we return this bill to the 

19   noncontroversial calendar and take it up.

20                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Without 

21   objection, so ordered.

22                Read the last section.

23                THE SECRETARY:   Section 6.  This 

24   act shall take effect immediately.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Call 


                                                               1569

 1   the roll.

 2                (The Secretary called the roll.)

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 4   Persaud to explain her vote.

 5                SENATOR PERSAUD:   Thank you, 

 6   Mr. President.

 7                Today is an important day for the 

 8   women of the State of New York, particularly 

 9   women who have suffered through domestic 

10   violence.  Studies have shown that nine out of 

11   10 incarcerated women have experienced severe 

12   physical or sexual violence in their lifetime.  

13   Eight out of 10 experience physical or sexual 

14   violence during childhood.

15                Over the past 30 years, intimate 

16   partner violence has been increasingly recognized 

17   as a national epidemic.  Today on the floor we 

18   had three women who were here to tell us their 

19   stories, who were living testament of what 

20   happens when people react in a certain way 

21   because of domestic violence.  We should not hold 

22   them accountable to the extent that the law has 

23   been holding them accountable.  The law should 

24   take into consideration the circumstances that 

25   they were living under when they're being 


                                                               1570

 1   sentenced.

 2                We're not by any means saying that 

 3   these women are not responsible for what has 

 4   happened.  But we're saying these women are 

 5   victims, they should be treated as such.  We have 

 6   women who have spent 20 years or more in prison 

 7   because they reacted to the violence that they 

 8   were in -- being a part of.

 9                I have to say it's not -- you know, 

10   when we talk about domestic violence, we tend to 

11   talk in terms of the female gender.  Domestic 

12   violence affects every gender.  Every gender.  

13   And this legislation today is going to work in 

14   favor of everyone who has encountered domestic 

15   violence.

16                I ask my colleagues today to support 

17   the women -- because it's primarily women -- who 

18   have suffered.  They have suffered enough.  We 

19   are not saying that you throw out what they've 

20   done out of the window in the sentencing.  The 

21   judge still has the discretion.  We're asking the 

22   judge to take into consideration what they have 

23   gone through, what they were living with.  

24                When you have someone who has 

25   suffered in a marriage for 18 years -- and for 


                                                               1571

 1   most of those years they have been abused in 

 2   every which way possible -- and they have 

 3   committed a crime, something we consider a crime, 

 4   because of what they were going through, we 

 5   really need to take that into consideration.  

 6                Sometimes it's because we have no 

 7   choice.  Many of us here, we've reacted to things 

 8   because of something that we've gone through.  

 9   And some of you may have flashbacks because of 

10   something that you encountered years ago.  But 

11   we're not punishing you for that.  We're asking 

12   that the people who have committed their crimes 

13   because of domestic violence be offered the same 

14   consideration.

15                So I thank you all for supporting 

16   this legislation.  I thank you for standing with 

17   the women -- I keep saying women, because it's 

18   primarily women.  But thank you for standing with 

19   all domestic violence survivors and telling them 

20   that we understand what you've gone through.  We 

21   understand.  We hold you accountable, yes, but we 

22   will take into consideration what you have gone 

23   through that caused you to react the way you did.  

24                So again, I ask all of my colleagues 

25   to support this legislation to show the women 


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 1   that we understand them.

 2                Thank you all.  I vote aye.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 4   Persaud to be recorded in the affirmative.

 5                Senator Carlucci to explain his 

 6   vote.

 7                SENATOR CARLUCCI:   I rise, I want 

 8   to thank Senator Persaud for putting forth such 

 9   an important piece of legislation, and really 

10   thank her for her commitment and steadfastness 

11   towards this legislation.  

12                As was said, all too often in our 

13   court system when women are defending themselves 

14   against domestic violence, instead of being met 

15   with a judge with compassion and assistance and 

16   help, the judge is just putting forth punishment.  

17                And Senator Persaud's legislation 

18   here today is really changing the paradigm, to 

19   make sure that it's not just this black or white, 

20   that it's not a situation where the judge doesn't 

21   have discretion.  We want to make sure that 

22   that's taken into consideration, that the full 

23   picture is examined.

24                So I want to thank Senator Persaud 

25   and all of the advocates here today, the women 


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 1   that have come forward to share your story and 

 2   the trials that you've had to come through.  So 

 3   thank you for that.  I want to thank everyone for 

 4   supporting this legislation.  And Mr. President, 

 5   I'll be supporting it and voting in the 

 6   affirmative.

 7                Thank you.

 8                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 9   Carlucci to be recorded in the affirmative.

10                Senator Bailey to explain his vote.

11                SENATOR BAILEY:   Thank you, 

12   Mr. President.

13                I rise to thank my colleague Senator 

14   Persaud for bringing this important piece of 

15   legislation to the floor and for being a tireless 

16   advocate.  

17                When I was elected to the New York 

18   State Senate, my predecessor in government, Ruth 

19   Hassell-Thompson, she was championing this bill.  

20   And on day one, coming into the Senate, Senator 

21   Persaud said, "Hi, I'm Roxanne Persaud, and I 

22   need to make sure I have this bill, because it's 

23   that important to me in and my commitment to 

24   survivors of domestic violence."  

25                To make sure that we are in a place 


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 1   and a position and a time where we actually allow 

 2   judges to have discretion -- and we give judges 

 3   discretion in so many other areas of law, but 

 4   when it comes down to folks who have suffered at 

 5   the hands of an abuser, we had not until today 

 6   had that discretion.  

 7                So I want to thank my predecessor in 

 8   government, Ruth Hassell-Thompson, for her 

 9   championing this issue and for calling me at 

10   7 o'clock in the morning the other day to make 

11   sure that we pushed this bill forward.  Thank 

12   you, Ruth.  

13                (Laughter.)

14                SENATOR BAILEY:   And I want to make 

15   sure I thank Roxanne Persaud for telling me every 

16   day, as the chairman of codes, that this was an 

17   important bill that we had to move.

18                So Roxanne, thank you for your 

19   tireless efforts.  And the advocates should know 

20   that Roxanne did not let a day go by without 

21   advocating for this bill and speaking about this 

22   bill.  I think that's the reason why she saves me 

23   a seat in conference, so she can talk to me about 

24   this bill.

25                (Laughter.)


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 1                SENATOR BAILEY:   And on a serious 

 2   note, to all of the victims of domestic violence, 

 3   we hear you.  We stand you with you, and we 

 4   support you.  

 5                And Mr. President, I support this 

 6   legislation.  I vote aye.

 7                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 8   Bailey to be recorded in the affirmative.

 9                Senator Montgomery to explain her 

10   vote.

11                SENATOR MONTGOMERY:   Yes, thank 

12   you, Mr. President.

13                I want to the -- I rise to 

14   absolutely thank my colleague.  I know how 

15   difficult it is and how long you've worked on 

16   this.  So Senator Persaud, we thank you today.  

17                And it's very fitting that this 

18   particular bill is -- since you say that this is 

19   primarily women, we know that that's who 

20   primarily ends up being incarcerated because of 

21   some incident related to domestic violence.  So 

22   we're here today with the chief law enforcement 

23   person in our state.  And I'm so proud not only 

24   for the fact that she is a friend, but she has 

25   herself worked in the area of dealing with 


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 1   domestic violence issues at every level.  And 

 2   that is Attorney General Tish James, who is with 

 3   us today.

 4                So she's made history.  This is 

 5   Women's History Month.  And this is history month 

 6   for Senator Persaud, whose bill is now passed.  

 7   It's history month for the women who are here 

 8   today to celebrate the fact that we have finally 

 9   been able to do something that makes sense for 

10   women who are incarcerated.  And we hope that 

11   this results in changing the system that treats 

12   them even more harshly than they do others in the 

13   criminal justice system.

14                And I just want to say to those 

15   women who are here representing the women that 

16   we're trying to work on behalf of today through 

17   this legislation, I bring you greetings from our 

18   own Attorney General of the State of New York, 

19   Tish James.  She joins us in celebrating this 

20   moment in our history and the history of our 

21   state for women.  

22                So thank you, Senator Persaud.  

23   Thank you, members, for voting yes on this very 

24   important legislation.  And to the women of the 

25   state, hallelujah.  


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 1                (Laughter.) 

 2                SENATOR MONTGOMERY:   Thank you.

 3                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

 4   Montgomery to be recorded in the affirmative.

 5                Announce the results.

 6                THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 7   Calendar Number 252, those Senators recorded in 

 8   the negative are Senators Antonacci, Helming, 

 9   Jacobs, LaValle, O'Mara, Ortt and Seward.

10                Ayes, 54.  Nays, 7.

11                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   The 

12   bill is passed.  

13                (Tumultuous cheering, applause from 

14   galleries.)

15                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   Senator 

16   Gianaris, that completes the reading of the 

17   supplemental calendar.

18                SENATOR GIANARIS:   Mr. President, 

19   is there any further business at the desk?

20                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   There 

21   is no further business at the desk.

22                SENATOR GIANARIS:   I move to 

23   adjourn until tomorrow, Wednesday, March 13th, at 

24   12:00 noon.

25                ACTING PRESIDENT BENJAMIN:   On 


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 1   motion, the Senate stands adjourned until 

 2   Wednesday, March 13th, at 12:00 noon.

 3                (Whereupon, at 5:59 p.m., the Senate 

 4   adjourned.)

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