Regular Session - February 16, 2022

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 1                NEW YORK STATE SENATE

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 4               THE STENOGRAPHIC RECORD

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 9                  ALBANY, NEW YORK

10                  February 16, 2022

11                      3:05 p.m.

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14                   REGULAR SESSION

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18  SENATOR JAMAAL T. BAILEY, Acting President

19  ALEJANDRA N. PAULINO, ESQ., Secretary

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 1                P R O C E E D I N G S

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 3    Senate will come to order.  

 4                 I ask everyone present to please 

 5    rise and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

 6                 (Whereupon, the assemblage recited 

 7    the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.) 

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   In the 

 9    absence of clergy, let us bow our heads in a 

10    moment of silent reflection or prayer.

11                 (Whereupon, the assemblage respected 

12    a moment of silence.)

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Reading 

14    of the Journal.

15                 THE SECRETARY:   In Senate, Tuesday, 

16    February 15, 2022, the Senate met pursuant to 

17    adjournment.  The Journal of Monday, February 14, 

18    2022, was read and approved.  On motion, Senate 

19    adjourned.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Without 

21    objection, the Journal stands approved as read.

22                 Presentation of petitions.

23                 Messages from the Assembly.

24                 The Secretary will read.

25                 THE SECRETARY:   Senator Salazar 


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 1    moves to discharge, from the Committee on 

 2    Education, Assembly Bill Number 7981 and 

 3    substitute it for the identical Senate Bill 6744, 

 4    Third Reading Calendar 70.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   So 

 6    ordered.

 7                 Messages from the Governor.

 8                 Reports of standing committees.

 9                 Reports of select committees.

10                 Communications and reports from 

11    state officers.

12                 Motions and resolutions.

13                 Senator Gianaris.

14                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Please take up 

15    the reading of the calendar, Mr. President.

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

17    Secretary will read.

18                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 67, 

19    Senate Print 546, by Senator Mayer, an act to 

20    amend the Education Law.

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

22    last section.

23                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

24    act shall take effect on the first of September.

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 


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 1    roll.

 2                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

 4    the results.

 5                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 7    is passed.

 8                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 68, 

 9    Senate Print 912A, by Senator Mayer, an act to 

10    amend the Education Law.

11                 SENATOR LANZA:   Lay it aside.

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Lay the 

13    bill aside.

14                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 69, 

15    Senate Print 2114, by Senator Bailey, an act 

16    authorizing and directing the Commissioner of 

17    Education to conduct a study on the number of 

18    children who are caregivers.

19                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

20    last section.

21                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

22    act shall take effect immediately.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

24    roll.

25                 (The Secretary called the roll.)


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

 2    the results.

 3                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 5    is passed.

 6                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 70, 

 7    Assembly Print Number 7981, by Assemblymember 

 8    Reyes, an act to amend the Education Law.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

10    last section.

11                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

12    act shall take effect immediately.  

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

14    roll.

15                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

17    the results.

18                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

19    Calendar Number 70, those Senators voting in the 

20    negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Gallivan, 

21    Griffo, Jordan, Lanza, Martucci, Mattera, 

22    Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, Palumbo and Weik.

23                 Ayes, 50.  Nays, 13.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

25    is passed.


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 1                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 2    118, Senate Print 7023, by Senator Mannion, an 

 3    act directing the Commissioner of Health to 

 4    conduct a study on the rates of reimbursement 

 5    made through the New York State Medicaid durable 

 6    medical equipment.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

 8    last section.

 9                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

10    act shall take effect immediately.

11                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

12    roll.

13                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

15    the results.

16                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

18    is passed.

19                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

20    277, Senate Print 2778, by Senator Stavisky, an 

21    act to amend the Education Law.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

23    last section.

24                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 4.  This 

25    act shall take effect immediately.


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

 2    roll.

 3                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

 5    the results.

 6                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

 7    Calendar Number 277, those Senators voting in the 

 8    negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Boyle, 

 9    Gallivan, Griffo, Helming, Jordan, Lanza, 

10    Martucci, Mattera, Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, 

11    Palumbo, Rath, Ritchie, Serino, Stec and Tedisco.

12                 Ayes, 44.  Nays, 19.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

14    is passed.

15                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

16    372, Senate Print 1085, by Senator Gaughran, an 

17    act to amend the Public Service Law.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

19    last section.

20                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

21    act shall take effect immediately.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

23    roll.

24                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

25                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 


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 1    the results.

 2                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 4    is passed.

 5                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 6    404, Senate Print 6529, by Senator Stavisky, an 

 7    act to amend the Education Law.

 8                 SENATOR LANZA:   Lay it aside.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Lay it 

10    aside.

11                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

12    425, Senate Print 996, by Senator Hoylman, an act 

13    to amend the Domestic Relations Law.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

15    last section.

16                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

17    act shall take effect immediately.  

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

19    roll.

20                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

22    Brisport to explain his vote.

23                 SENATOR BRISPORT:   Thank you, 

24    Mr. President.  

25                 This bill is a win for the LGBTQIA 


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 1    community in this state, and it's also a message, 

 2    during this national assault on queer rights and 

 3    the queer community, that all people are welcome 

 4    in New York.  

 5                 You know, countless state 

 6    legislatures around this nation are attacking 

 7    trans rights across this country, keeping them 

 8    out of sports, denying them gender-affirming 

 9    surgery.  The Florida state legislature has a 

10    bill colloquially known as the Don't Say Gay 

11    Bill.  It would essentially ban elementary school 

12    teachers from letting their students know that 

13    queer people exist.  

14                 So this bill is a reminder that all 

15    families are welcome in New York, and it's a 

16    reminder to all state legislatures across this 

17    nation that our diversity makes us stronger.  

18                 So thank you to Senator Hoylman for 

19    introducing this.  And thank you, Mr. President.  

20                 I vote aye.

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

22    Brisport to be recorded in the affirmative.

23                 Announce the results.

24                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

25    Calendar 425, those Senators voting in the 


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 1    negative are Senators Borrello, Gallivan, 

 2    Helming, O'Mara, Ortt and Serino.

 3                 Ayes, 57.  Nays, 6.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 5    is passed.

 6                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

 7    436, Senate Print 641, by Senator Liu, an act to 

 8    amend the Administrative Code of the City of 

 9    New York.

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Read the 

11    last section.

12                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

13    act shall take effect immediately.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

15    roll.

16                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

18    the results.

19                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

20    Calendar Number 436, those Senators voting in the 

21    negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Boyle, 

22    Griffo, Jordan, Lanza, Martucci, Mattera, 

23    Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, Palumbo, Rath, Ritchie, 

24    Serino, Stec, Tedisco and Weik.

25                 Ayes, 45.  Nays, 18.


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 2    is passed.

 3                 Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

 4    reading of today's calendar.

 5                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Can we move to 

 6    the controversial calendar, starting with 

 7    Calendar 404, please.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 9    Secretary will ring the bell.

10                 The Secretary will read.

11                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 

12    404, Senate Print 6529, by Senator Stavisky, an 

13    act to amend the Education Law.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

15    Lanza, why do you rise?

16                 SENATOR LANZA:   Mr. President, I 

17    believe there's an amendment at the desk.  I 

18    waive the reading of that amendment and ask that 

19    Senator Borrello be recognized and heard.

20                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

21    you, Senator Lanza.  

22                 Upon review of the amendment, in 

23    accordance with Rule 6, Section 4B, I rule it 

24    nongermane and out of order at this time.

25                 SENATOR LANZA:   Accordingly, 


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 1    Mr. President, I appeal the ruling of the chair 

 2    and ask that Senator Borrello be recognized.

 3                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 4    appeal has been made and recognized, and 

 5    Senator Borrello may be heard.  

 6                 SENATOR BORRELLO:   Thank you, 

 7    Mr. President.  

 8                 Mr. President, I rise to appeal the 

 9    ruling of the chair.  The proposed amendment is 

10    germane to the bill at hand because the bill 

11    prohibits proprietary schools from intimidating 

12    or retaliating against students who file 

13    complaints or bring a private right of action 

14    against the school.  

15                 And this amendment would repeal the 

16    bail discovery reforms that have enabled 

17    criminals to intimidate or retaliate against 

18    victims and witnesses.  It's clear here that 

19    these laws are failing New Yorkers.  In 2020 the 

20    murder rate was up nearly 50 percent.  It's clear 

21    that while the rest of us were on lockdown, 

22    criminals were out rampaging.  

23                 In New York City, January 2022, the 

24    overall crime rate increased 38.5 percent 

25    compared to a year earlier, which includes a 


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 1    33.1 percent increase in robberies and a 

 2    31.6 percent increase in shootings.

 3                 We are facing an acute public safety 

 4    crisis in New York State.  You can't pick up a 

 5    newspaper or watch the news without hearing about 

 6    horrific crimes perpetrated against innocent 

 7    New Yorkers.  Law abiding citizen, businesses and 

 8    our law enforcement officers are at the mercy of 

 9    the lawless who walk our streets.  

10                 This week's horrific bail reform 

11    example was the stabbing death of a young woman, 

12    Christina Lee, in Chinatown by a career criminal 

13    who had three open cases, including assault and 

14    possession of stolen property.  If that judge had 

15    the freedom to use his discretion, it's very 

16    likely that suspect would have remained behind 

17    bars and Ms. Lee would still be here in New York 

18    today, alive.

19                 The current lie about so-called bail 

20    reform is that it only applies to nonviolent 

21    offenses.  Here are a few of the nonviolent 

22    offenses that require judges to release 

23    defendants back to the streets:  Arson, robbery, 

24    assault, DWI, illegal gun possession.  Those are 

25    just a few.  


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 1                 Another misinterpretation is that 

 2    it's only our cities.  But I held a press 

 3    conference last week with law enforcement 

 4    officials from my district, which is mostly rural 

 5    and several small cities.  At that event these 

 6    officials talked about how hard it is to keep 

 7    their communities safe because their hands are 

 8    tied by these criminal justice changes.  

 9                 They talked about criminals who have 

10    become so emboldened by their perpetual 

11    get-out-of-jail-free cards that they routinely 

12    mock arresting officers.  Chautauqua County 

13    Undersheriff Richard Telford said that more than 

14    once, defendants have said to him:  "Just give me 

15    my appearance ticket so I can get out of here."

16                 Dunkirk Police Chief David Ortolano 

17    said that after a raid on a drug house, the drug 

18    dealer he arrested laughed at him and said, "I 

19    can't believe this is all you can do to me."

20                 These so-called criminal justice 

21    reforms also force prosecutors to disclose the 

22    identities and contact information of victims and 

23    eyewitnesses.  They prohibit judges from 

24    considering the dangerousness that the offenders 

25    pose to the public even in bail-eligible cases 


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 1    and even if the offender has a history of 

 2    violence or witness tampering or intimidation.  

 3                 These reforms have enabled criminals 

 4    to remain free in the community, armed with the 

 5    knowledge about who is accusing them of their 

 6    crimes.  Victims and witnesses have never been 

 7    more at risk of intimidation or retaliation.  

 8    Police and prosecutors can no longer guarantee 

 9    anonymity to victims and witnesses.  

10                 This has led to essential witnesses 

11    refusing to come forward and cooperate with law 

12    enforcement.  This impacts the abilities of DAs 

13    to successfully prosecute those who continue to 

14    commit serious crimes and put New Yorkers in 

15    danger.

16                 You can see the dangerous impacts 

17    these reforms have made on our state as its out 

18    of control crime rate continues.  The question I 

19    put to my colleagues is, when do we put public 

20    safety over politics?  What do we do to stop 

21    harming our communities in an effort to appease 

22    radical special interests?  

23                 The number-one job of those of us in 

24    this chamber is to keep New Yorkers safe.  We are 

25    failing at that mission, and we must repeal these 


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 1    laws.  

 2                 For that reason, Mr. President, I 

 3    strongly urge you to reconsider your ruling. 

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Thank 

 5    you, Senator Borrello.  

 6                 I want to remind the house that the 

 7    vote is on the procedures of the house and the 

 8    ruling of the chair.

 9                 Those in favor of overruling the 

10    chair signify by saying aye.

11                 (Response of "Aye.")

12                 SENATOR LANZA:   Request a show of 

13    hands.

14                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   We've agreed to 

15    waive the showing of hands, Mr. President, and 

16    record each member of the Minority in the 

17    affirmative.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Without 

19    objection, so ordered.

20                 Announce the results.

21                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 20.

22                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

23    ruling of the chair stands, and the bill-in-chief 

24    is before the house.

25                 Are there any other Senators wishing 


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 1    to be heard?

 2                 Seeing and hearing none, debate is 

 3    closed.  The Secretary will ring the bell.

 4                 Read the last section.

 5                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 3.  This 

 6    act shall take effect immediately.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

 8    roll.

 9                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Announce 

11    the results.

12                 THE SECRETARY:   Ayes, 63.

13                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

14    is passed.

15                 Senator Gianaris.

16                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Can we next move 

17    to Calendar 68, please.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

19    Secretary will ring the bell.

20                 The Secretary will read.

21                 THE SECRETARY:   Calendar Number 68, 

22    Senate Print 912A, by Senator Mayer, an act to 

23    amend the Education Law.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

25    Rath, why do you rise?  


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 1                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you, 

 2    Mr. President.  Will the sponsor yield for a 

 3    question.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 5    sponsor yield? 

 6                 SENATOR MAYER:   Absolutely.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 8    sponsor yields.

 9                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you, 

10    Mr. President.  

11                 Senator Mayer, good to see you.

12                 SENATOR MAYER:   Good to see you, 

13    Senator.

14                 SENATOR RATH:   I have a few 

15    questions today.  

16                 The first is, why did the sponsor 

17    choose tenth grade as the cut-off point for 

18    preregistering?

19                 SENATOR MAYER:   This bill that we 

20    passed previously operationalizes the provisions 

21    of the laws of New York from 2019, Chapter 2, 

22    which requires local boards of education to adopt 

23    policies to promote student voter registration 

24    and preregistration.  

25                 And since we changed the eligible 


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 1    age at which you could preregister, it's 

 2    absolutely appropriate to start at tenth grade.

 3                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you, 

 4    Mr. President.  Will the sponsor continue to 

 5    yield.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 7    sponsor yield? 

 8                 SENATOR MAYER:   Absolutely.  

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

10    sponsor yields.

11                 SENATOR RATH:   Are there any 

12    restrictions or controls that prevent and/or 

13    ensure that students are not unduly influenced 

14    when filling out these forms?  

15                 SENATOR MAYER:   Well, Senator Rath, 

16    currently, let me explain that in many more 

17    affluent districts the League of Women Voters 

18    actually already has a table allowing any student 

19    who wishes to, to enroll either in a party or in 

20    no party or make their own choice whether to 

21    enroll at all.

22                 What this bill does is says for 

23    every district schools must comply with the 

24    provisions that we adopted previously and simply 

25    make available voter registration and 


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 1    preregistration applications.  Make them 

 2    available.

 3                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you, 

 4    Mr. President.  Will the sponsor continue to 

 5    yield.

 6                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 7    sponsor yield?

 8                 SENATOR MAYER:   Sure.

 9                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

10    sponsor yields.

11                 SENATOR RATH:   So let me reask my 

12    question.  Are there any specific restrictions or 

13    controls that you know of that can unduly 

14    influence or make sure there is no undue 

15    influence for the students who are filling out 

16    these forms?  

17                 SENATOR MAYER:   Senator Rath, 

18    respectfully, I think that the presumption that 

19    there would be any pressure -- the same as there 

20    would be when you go to the Board of Elections or  

21    the Department of Motor Vehicles or anywhere 

22    else.  We have a society where you get a form and 

23    you make a choice.  

24                 And this is simply affording it to 

25    those who are able to preregister and to 


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 1    register.

 2                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you.

 3                 Mr. President, will the sponsor 

 4    continue to yield.

 5                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 6    sponsor yield? 

 7                 SENATOR MAYER:   Yes.

 8                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 9    sponsor yields.

10                 SENATOR RATH:   Let me ask about 

11    parents and parents being made aware or having 

12    some type of participation or the forms coming 

13    back to the children's homes so that the 

14    parents are aware of what their students and what 

15    their children might be doing within the schools. 

16                 SENATOR MAYER:   Well, in the first 

17    place, we adopted a law already that allows a 

18    form to say:  Are you at least 16 years of age 

19    and understand that you must be 18 years of age 

20    on or before Election Day to vote, and that until 

21    you will be 18 years of age at the time of such 

22    election, your registration will be marked 

23    pending and you will be unable to cast a ballot 

24    in any election.

25                 So we specifically allowed 


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 1    16-year-olds to preregister.  This simply 

 2    operationalizes that.  It does not require 

 3    parental approval for a 16-year-old to fill out 

 4    the form.

 5                 SENATOR RATH:   Mr. President, will 

 6    the sponsor continue to yield.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 8    sponsor yield? 

 9                 SENATOR MAYER:   Yes.

10                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

11    sponsor yields.

12                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you.  

13                 Would a teacher and/or other school 

14    employee be allowed to advise students as to 

15    where political parties stand or how they should 

16    register?

17                 SENATOR MAYER:   There's absolutely 

18    no reason, Senator Rath, to assume that there is 

19    pressure exerted in making a form available.  

20    It's just like a form to sign up for swim club, 

21    there were -- the local Republican student 

22    committee or student government.  It's simply 

23    making a form available.

24                 SENATOR RATH:   Mr. President, will 

25    the sponsor continue to yield.


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

 2    sponsor yield? 

 3                 SENATOR MAYER:   Yes.

 4                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 5    sponsor yields.

 6                 SENATOR RATH:   Next I want to get 

 7    into the confirmation process.  I'm not sure I 

 8    received a full answer the last time around, but 

 9    I'll ask this question now.  

10                 Is there any confirmation that 

11    students and parents will receive that the forms 

12    have been completed and properly submitted?

13                 SENATOR MAYER:   The parent part is 

14    not required under the laws that are previously 

15    adopted.  A 16-year-old can preregister without 

16    parental notification and consent.

17                 So I'm not sure why your question is 

18    asking about parents.  This is for 16-year-olds 

19    to preregister, or 17-year-olds, and 18-year-olds 

20    to register.

21                 SENATOR RATH:   Mr. President, will 

22    the sponsor continue to yield.

23                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

24    sponsor yield? 

25                 SENATOR MAYER:   Yes.


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 2    sponsor yields.

 3                 SENATOR RATH:   With all due 

 4    respect, if there are school administrators that 

 5    are involved in this process, parents ought to be 

 6    involved in this process just as much.  

 7                 But I'll go on to my next question.  

 8    If a student is not eligible to vote, such as 

 9    they're not 18 years of age on Election Day, 

10    would a preregistered student still receive 

11    information leading up to the Election Day?

12                 SENATOR MAYER:   This bill before us 

13    that we're voting on has nothing to do with the 

14    election -- information prior to Election Day.  

15                 This is simply giving you the form, 

16    16, 17, 18, you fill it out, it gets back to the 

17    Board of Elections.  If the Board of Elections 

18    does or doesn't give you information, that's up 

19    to the board.  There's nothing in this bill 

20    requiring information regarding an upcoming 

21    election.

22                 SENATOR RATH:   Mr. President, will 

23    the sponsor continue to yield.

24                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

25    sponsor continue to yield?


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 1                 SENATOR MAYER:   Yes.

 2                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

 3    sponsor yields.

 4                 SENATOR RATH:   Therein lies my 

 5    concern with regards to the administration, the 

 6    process, the follow-up and the confirmation.  

 7                 If someone is 18 years of age on 

 8    Election Day or not, they've filled out all this 

 9    paperwork but there's no guarantees, there's no 

10    tracks, there's no confirmation that the process 

11    is working properly.

12                 Someone who's 17 years old might get 

13    information with regards to a polling place or a 

14    registration card.  How are we making sure that 

15    poll workers are also educated and trained on who 

16    is eligible and who is not eligible on 

17    Election Day based on this process through the 

18    schools and the boards of elections?

19                 SENATOR MAYER:   Well, again, let me 

20    clarify, Senator Rath.  

21                 One, it appears to me you have a 

22    problem with the laws we passed previously.  I 

23    don't know how you voted on those.  But that law 

24    allows this registration to take place without 

25    parental or supervisory input.  


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 1                 This says to a 16- or 17-year-old:  

 2    You can fill out the form, and when you're ready 

 3    to go, then you won't be pending.  But for now, 

 4    you're pending.  That's what that law did.

 5                 This bill before us simply says 

 6    we're going to make it appropriate, we're going 

 7    to operationalize the provisions we already 

 8    adopted, which said that local boards of 

 9    education are required to adopt policies to 

10    promote student voter registration and 

11    preregistration.  

12                 You may disagree with it, but that 

13    is the law that is behind the impetus for this 

14    bill before us.

15                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you.

16                 Mr. President, will the sponsor 

17    continue to yield.

18                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Will the 

19    sponsor continue to yield? 

20                 SENATOR MAYER:   Yes.

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The 

22    sponsor yields.

23                 SENATOR RATH:   We may have 

24    disagreements on process and language and how 

25    this is carrying out, and I have grave concerns.  


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 1    Previous legislation that was passed may have 

 2    been flawed and perhaps should be altered and 

 3    improved.  

 4                 This question, though, is who 

 5    controls the form after it is filled out?  And 

 6    who is responsible for delivering those forms to 

 7    the Board of Elections?

 8                 SENATOR MAYER:   In response to your 

 9    question, Senator Rath, in line 17, in sync with 

10    the previous law that we passed, it says that the 

11    policy shall include procedures for acquiring and 

12    transmitting voter registration and 

13    preregistration applications to and from the 

14    local boards of elections.

15                 So like any other decision 

16    implemented by policy, the school, I assume the 

17    board of education and the superintendent will 

18    together make a policy which implements this.

19                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you.

20                 Mr. President, on the bill.

21                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

22    Rath on the bill.

23                 SENATOR RATH:   Thank you.

24                 First of all, thank you, 

25    Senator Mayer, for your responses and our 


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 1    conversation back and forth.

 2                 First of all, I'm surprised that 

 3    this bill isn't brought before the Elections 

 4    Committee.  I actually think that's the 

 5    appropriate committee and the appropriate venue 

 6    to be talking about this.

 7                 And like so many other proposals 

 8    that are advanced through this body, it will be a 

 9    costly and burdensome administrative 

10    responsibility on our local governments, on our 

11    public and our private schools.  In many ways it 

12    might be considered an unfunded mandate.  

13                 From the boards of elections, to 

14    schools, to teachers -- that have already had 

15    more than enough on their plates, particularly 

16    throughout the pandemic -- this bill is yet 

17    another example of the disconnect between Albany 

18    policymakers in this chamber and the public 

19    servants at home serving our children.

20                 While I support all of our students 

21    registering to vote -- of course, when they are 

22    eligible -- I think arbitrarily making schools 

23    the conduit of that process is unnecessary and 

24    inconsiderate of the administrative workload and 

25    the burden that will be put on the schools and 


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 1    the school districts.  

 2                 Furthermore, while this bill has 

 3    noble and good intentions, it is not well thought 

 4    out.  I believe it is expensive and burdensome.  

 5                 For these reasons, Mr. President, 

 6    I'll be voting in the negative.  Thank you.

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Are there 

 8    any other Senators wishing to be heard?

 9                 Seeing and hearing none, debate is 

10    closed.  The Secretary will ring the bell.

11                 Read the last section.

12                 THE SECRETARY:   Section 2.  This 

13    act shall take effect on the first of July.

14                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Call the 

15    roll.

16                 (The Secretary called the roll.)

17                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

18    Mayer to explain her vote.

19                 SENATOR MAYER:   Thank you, 

20    Mr. President.

21                 I'm glad I have the opportunity to 

22    talk about this bill.  I actually feel quite 

23    strongly and passionately about the need for all 

24    of us, as elected officials, to ensure that the 

25    next generation of New Yorkers, one, knows that 


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 1    they have the right to vote; two, becomes 

 2    educated about our civic process and our 

 3    incredible democracy that gives this right to 

 4    vote.  

 5                 And secondly, consistent with the 

 6    laws that we passed proudly in 2019 allowing 

 7    preregistration by those under 18, implements 

 8    this in every school.

 9                 Let me just make the point that I 

10    made during the debate.  If you go to the more 

11    affluent schools in my district and I suspect 

12    elsewhere in the state, there's frequently a 

13    League of Women Voters volunteer, largely women, 

14    usually highly educated, and they have a table in 

15    that school for 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds.  And 

16    more power to them.

17                 When I got to be a Senator and I had 

18    some of these districts, I went and saw that, and 

19    I said, Isn't that terrific, the students in my 

20    more affluent districts know about how to 

21    register.  

22                 And then I went to the schools that 

23    I traditionally represent in the City of Yonkers, 

24    where there is no League of Women Voters in the 

25    school.  And why shouldn't those students have 


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 1    the same opportunity and be encouraged, and say, 

 2    Oh, this is how you do it, it's easy, just fill 

 3    out the form.  

 4                 You can decide whether you want to 

 5    be in any party or no party.  You can decide you 

 6    don't want to vote.  But here is your sacred 

 7    right, that you have the ability to participate 

 8    in this democracy.  And isn't that great that we 

 9    are talking about it to you when you can 

10    preregister.  

11                 Because we made that important 

12    change, we are now implementing it.  This is an 

13    important bill to bring democracy alive and keep 

14    it well with the next generation.  I proudly vote 

15    yes.

16                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   Senator 

17    Mayer to be recorded in the affirmative.

18                 Announce the results.

19                 THE SECRETARY:   In relation to 

20    Calendar Number 68, those Senators voting in the 

21    negative are Senators Akshar, Borrello, Boyle, 

22    Griffo, Jordan, Lanza, Martucci, Mattera, 

23    Oberacker, O'Mara, Ortt, Palumbo, Rath, Ritchie, 

24    Serino, Stec, Tedisco and Weik.

25                 Ayes, 45.  Nays, 18.


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 1                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   The bill 

 2    is passed.

 3                 Senator Gianaris, that completes the 

 4    reading of the controversial calendar.

 5                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   Is there any 

 6    further business at the desk?  

 7                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   There is 

 8    no further business at the desk.

 9                 SENATOR GIANARIS:   I move to 

10    adjourn until tomorrow, Thursday, February 17th, 

11    at 9:00 a.m.

12                 ACTING PRESIDENT BAILEY:   On 

13    motion, the Senate stands adjourned until 

14    Thursday, February 17th, at 9:00 a.m.

15                 (Whereupon, the Senate adjourned at 

16    3:32 p.m.)

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